[PRJ][WWE][05.06.2008]Touch Surface // The Cooking begins![ONLINE]

[Noonski]

:D i was actually talking about the final rom being recookable or not.. but for our team sharing i propose we use ervius's kitchen which has option to either use normal package tool or to use all in one package tool.. i didnt actually want hypercore but ur supercore to try and port the xip to ur kitchen.

p.s. u only need a reg entry for disabling the threaded message or get it back ;) i'm using it

Yup i know, all the mortscript does is change that registry setting.

It's for the non Registry editing users.

As i've made a package with the EndKey config script which requires Mort.
So i also put Mort into the package.
I then added Administrative Tools which makes that extra Setting in control panel. So now we can add some of these settings that to us might be easy to change as options without getting full applications to change just one setting. You have to remember that most users don't tweak and reconfigure their device after a flash.

Mostly Hardcores do that ;)
And most Hardcores carry their favourite Registry editor on Storage Card anyway.

So i posted the scripts as reference.

For instance in my Roms i like to disable Sapsettings service and start up.
But i don't delete the service.
I can make a cab to re-enable the service. But now i can make a script that runs much faster and is a bit smaller to change that setting for that 1 person that does use SAPsettings.

Same goes for Bugfixes.
You can easily deploy them quickly and easy now without leaving a trace in the installed programs.

Also having mortscript allready installed you can now add Mortscripts to your personal UC configuration adding even more posibilities for advanced users.

Blah Di Blah Blah Di Blah you get my drift.

I Am Weazel..

Ameet can you check my previous uploaded MXIP notify package.
It might be buggy in ervius.
But it's working with me.
(BTW ervius kitchen is not online from the link does anyone have a mirror?)

[Ameet]

Yup i know, all the mortscript does is change that registry setting.

It's for the non Registry editing users.

As i've made a package with the EndKey config script which requires Mort.
So i also put Mort into the package.
I then added Administrative Tools which makes that extra Setting in control panel. So now we can add some of these settings that to us might be easy to change as options without getting full applications to change just one setting. You have to remember that most users don't tweak and reconfigure their device after a flash.

Mostly Hardcores do that ;)
And most Hardcores carry their favourite Registry editor on Storage Card anyway.

So i posted the scripts as reference.

For instance in my Roms i like to disable Sapsettings service and start up.
But i don't delete the service.
I can make a cab to re-enable the service. But now i can make a script that runs much faster and is a bit smaller to change that setting for that 1 person that does use SAPsettings.

Same goes for Bugfixes.
You can easily deploy them quickly and easy now without leaving a trace in the installed programs.

Also having mortscript allready installed you can now add Mortscripts to your personal UC configuration adding even more posibilities for advanced users.

Blah Di Blah Blah Di Blah you get my drift.

I Am Weazel..

Ameet can you check my previous uploaded MXIP notify package.
It might be buggy in ervius.
But it's working with me.
(BTW ervius kitchen is not online from the link does anyone have a mirror?)

LOL.. i get the breeze brother :D

i'll check ur package and pm u the findings.. i'll ask ervius for his kitchen.. last time he told me his comp had konked off

[Piranha1]

@ Noonski Sorry sorry sorry :)

[Noonski]

@ Noonski Sorry sorry sorry :)

Huh sorry did i miss something?

Okay What would your Ftouchflo personal favourite settings be?

I got:
Up->Down = Minimize
Down Up->Up = WMPlayer
Left->Right = 3D AltTab
Right->Left = Total Commander

Long Press Power Button->Free Memory (by using command to Quickmenu)
LongPress Green Send Key->VoiceCommander

[havocnl]

Huh sorry did i miss something?

Okay What would your Ftouchflo personal favourite settings be?

I got:
Up->Down = Minimize Ok
Down Up->Up = WMPlayer Quickdial option thing maybe?? thats the only thing i use the damn cube for
Left->Right = 3D AltTab Ok
Right->Left = Total Commander Ok!

Long Press Power Button->Free Memory (by using command to Quickmenu)uhm won't this disable the "do you want to shut down" option? I still want to able to turn the thing really off sometime
LongPress Green Send Key->VoiceCommander Ok

My reply in red

[havocnl]

If there is gonna be an option for people who do want a cube,
maybe this Cube Clone (using OpenGL and C++) is an idea?
HTC Cube OpenGL (SCLPC++ 0-051) (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=336234)
Or the a little more advanced Flash version:
HTC Cube Clone (SCLPF 1-62) (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=336234)

[Noonski]

Dude you just gaveme an idea.

I really need to learn mort.

Because a script could be written that asks what you want to do and then gives you a few options what you want to do on Long press power button. 1. Power Of 2. Close apps and shit. 3. Cancel

Now time to get drunk in the park dancing naked around a tree with some nordics.

[sas_sas]

Hey crew, any idea when the ROM will be available ?
I see many very nice things happening here.
So, I can't wait to test this new ROM.

Thanks for all the hard and nice work !! :)

Greez,

Hi all,

My guess is that it will take for a loooong time.
Most probably, after everone is warmed up and eager to have this new Rom, Bram would stage up by the claim of his Touch is bricked and could not go on. He is going to welcome the sympathies and of course Donations.

I have seen the same movie before.

[Trekvogel]

Hi all,

My guess is that it will take for a loooong time.
Most probably, after everone is warmed up and eager to have this new Rom, Bram would stage up by the claim of his Touch is bricked and could not go on. He is going to welcome the sympathies and of course Donations.

I have seen the same movie before.

Well, he did cook some popular roms before AND he is not working on it alone this time so even if one of the team would quit, the development could go on. Nobody is forcing you to donate, now are they. The time it takes to make this rom might be a bit long indeed, which could be a problem.

[Ameet]

Hi all,

My guess is that it will take for a loooong time.
Most probably, after everone is warmed up and eager to have this new Rom, Bram would stage up by the claim of his Touch is bricked and could not go on. He is going to welcome the sympathies and of course Donations.

I have seen the same movie before.

@sas_sas. ur voiced out impatience is totally uncalled for!!! if u read bram's surface thread carefully, u'll come to know he was busy in some family matters thats why he couldnt take out the donate link and the donations kept adding up. but he didnt cheat anyone there. if u have so much of attitude towards the developers of xda, why dont u cook urself ur own version of touch surface and call it whatever u want. i'm not siding bram just coz i'm part of his crew here but i'm flaming u for saying this nonsense coz it concerns one of the expert brains of xda. something that u lack else u would have had one of ur own rom threads around here!!! noone's forcing u to donate!!!!! its a donation that bram is asking for touch wwe, not a payment for a trial rom

before sayig such things, please keep in mind that this is a free community and we re giving back to the community what we have learnt so far from the experts here. not that part of the donation proceedings will come to me too (i'm not working on this rom only for that) but this rom is taking long time coz we want it to be perfect. if u read this thread carefully (which the first poster in xda said that u should do) u'll see that all the discussions for this rom within the team are posted in the open thread. we could had easily communicated through pms and emails but we want the would-be users to know whats going on around here. thats transparency that bram is good at to maintain

hence before talking nonsense in the threads, i suggest u get back to learning to cook, then ur own version and dont wait for the touch surface coz i feel its gonna be too good for u!!!

@touch team & readers. correct me if i'm wrong

@bram. u can fire me if u think wrong in flaming this guy

[bram_smulders]

Hi all,

My guess is that it will take for a loooong time.
Most probably, after everone is warmed up and eager to have this new Rom, Bram would stage up by the claim of his Touch is bricked and could not go on. He is going to welcome the sympathies and of course Donations.

I have seen the same movie before.

why are u bitching once again? I bought a new touch from the donations that I received from the previous rom.
im working with some very talented guys here, so even IF i quitted, the rom would still see progress.

I kept my promise by coming back, and im not going anymore.
if you dont like it, goto another thread and post your stupid text there.

gr bram

[Ameet]

Dude you just gaveme an idea.

I really need to learn mort.

Because a script could be written that asks what you want to do and then gives you a few options what you want to do on Long press power button. 1. Power Of 2. Close apps and shit. 3. Cancel

Now time to get drunk in the park dancing naked around a tree with some nordics.

hey brother. hows the mort classes going? :) i'm gonna download the packages posted here and check the rom on monday (expecting my new comp)

[Noonski]

hey brother. hows the mort classes going? :) i'm gonna download the packages posted here and check the rom on monday (expecting my new comp)

By monday i had hoped to have finished Bram's Whishlist and have an unskinned version ready.

But there's a lot else coming at me this weekend.

For the impatient here's the story.

The Rom could be ready in a weekend.

Editing and skinning however takes a bit longer.

Good thing about this thread is that it's about making the Rom.

And all of us allready have our own Roms out there.

And the fun part is none of us has said anything about a release date.

Now i'm going to make some coffee.

Remove Acrobat Reader and clean the OEM registry from Rom and then replace it with newer Acrobat Reader.

Then i'll replace .net and do some testing with it.

(was hoping to catch the attention of somone that does now Mort very good, and that the scripts where posted ;))

We're going to be pressed for space with Opera and all the rest.

Any objections me doing my favourite thing...
Remove Help files....?
Bram?

I'll be uploading OEM for Opera in 10 minutes.

Okay maybe longer then 10 minutes.
A lot of Initflashfile operations in there.

[pkoper]

Aren't the dutch playing tonight?

once the clean version is running, we could start with the localizations

[Noonski]

Aren't the dutch playing tonight?

once the clean version is running, we could start with the localizations

Wel you can start with Opera 9 if your bored.

http://rapidshare.com/files/124009147/xOpera.zip.html

OEM Package Opera 9 Qvga Build 1126

Yup So that's a good distraction and i'm helping somone move and fixeing somone else stuff tomorow.

Damn Opera made the Rom size 69MB.

Uploading Testing Rom to play with.

It's got the surface password on the Zip file.

ELF Specs
Storage 46.16MB in use 6.46 Free 39.69
Total Mem 47.65 In Use 24.36 Free 23.29

New version a bit below
as you can see it does support editing xda in full mode. better build then the one i tested before.

Text reflow is crappy with large font. Edit not after a reload reflow is good.

Big memory load, now on 10MB left browsing.

[melih43]

what is pass?

[Piranha1]

He Guys i have pray for Dutch.This have win the wrong team they.But the Germans will avenge you.:rolleyes:
@ Noonski Which Files I can remove from the orginal Rom.I want to reduce our German Rom.

[bereda]

If there is gonna be an option for people who do want a cube,
maybe this Cube Clone (using OpenGL and C++) is an idea?
HTC Cube OpenGL (SCLPC++ 0-051) (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=336234)
Or the a little more advanced Flash version:
HTC Cube Clone (SCLPF 1-62) (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=336234)

hey guys iv used both of these cubes and there very laggy and unresponsive... but the good news iv found on the cube is that the verizon cube is much much much faster and very fluid maybe theres away to grab that from the verizon port and copy the same files into the surface rom... that is if your going to mnake one with the cube... the verizon cube for some reason is much better... oh i almost forgot all the cube functions work while s2u2 is running even the media players caemera album and everything even sms works then as soon as you press the close button it goes straight back to the s2u2 screen :D

[bereda]

sorry for double but i might be able to skin up a sick new home screen in rl today in xml if you guys would like some thing very original and within your guidlines... just let me know if youd like the idea

[Noonski]

Personally i've been looking crazy for new original Stuff.

And the idea id definitly good.

But my experience with RL has been buggy.

I haven't tried the latest update yet tho.

Even putting Ftouchflo has brought up some issues.
(i use default keyboard in WM and the backspace "Slide to left" isn't responding correctly because of FtouchFlo)

The thing is that you have to look at it from a non technical user, it just has to work and not change what you are used to to much.

I really like some of the stuff coming out on XDA.

Like the new BTstatus with changing Homescreen plugins on Swipe.

But again it brings up freezes when you add to many Plug ins (i set it up with 7 different ones , Skype, today agenda, Messenger, Live Search, Dopod RSS reader, etc) And it got stuck on Splash screen after reset or when changing settings.

It's the stability factor that is something that has to be taken into account.

I think most of the people that now some of the cool stuff happening over at Dev and Hacking thread would rather have a nice clean Rom like Ameet is making.

If RL gets more stable it would definititly be something i would consider cooking.


I do have to say that Opera 9 Rocks ass. It's huge and eats some memory, but it can be handled. But it really is a big + for browsing experience.
Good thing is that WM6.1 is giving a speedier result then i expected. Now i don't like Chunky Apps but If there's anything that should be in this rom, i agree Opera 9 should be in there.

It's the first time i was able to post to XDA using my Phone. Didn't get Youtube and Google Video on screen. but maybe i need to get Flash installed or something.


And as for Footbal. Those Russians played a great and sharp match, Sharp personal defence and dangerous frontmen. If i weren't biased i would probaply have enjoyed their play a lot more.

He Guys i have pray for Dutch.This have win the wrong team they.But the Germans will avenge you.:rolleyes:
@ Noonski Which Files I can remove from the orginal Rom.I want to reduce our German Rom.

Help Files ;)

Office ZIP, DRM auto update, SQM, HTC sms services, Picture templates (i never used any of these myself, when did you?), HTC audio manager replace with S2P, HTC album replace with S2V, Powerpoint and Excell. (sorry but editing Excel on the phone simply sucks if you don't have VGA, it's useless) STK_services and some other stuff i forgot because i always remove it;)

[Piranha1]

Q Noonski Thanks i test it.

[djkers]

hello, maby you can show the photo when you are called show bigger?. Or is this not possible?.
And when you make a call the photo shows bigger

my englisch is not very good (i am sorry)

[Noonski]

XDA YouTube Player OEM To PLay With.

Maybe we should take the german offer to use their server?


http://rapidshare.com/files/124313489/RUU_Signed.zip

Version with FtouchFlo enabled and SIP change.

Most Shortcuts are created for extra apps through Cab file being run in first part of Autorun.
UC autorun added.

Youtube player also added.

It's not a small rom and that's without the cube.
But it does have HTC album.
But i heard it's still pretty fast, battery status set to autoscale between 188 to 237 mhz (safe)
I don't like scaling below the point that you can see the screen frequency tremble)
There's a Pasword on it again.

This is for testing and finding My Fuck Ups.

http://rapidshare.com/files/124313489/RUU_Signed.zip

[bram_smulders]

XDA YouTube Player OEM To PLay With.

Maybe we should take the german offer to use their server?

Yup i double that, my server is definitely cracked down, so i have to re-install everything. With not much time on my hands it can take a while.

Further great ideas from u guys, my vision on the spoken words before:

Cube:
I personally think the cube is great, sometimes i miss him on the Diamond.
But then again, what we dont have on today and is on the cube?
If we implement opera 9.5 AND the cube it think our ELF users will get a free memory of 7 mb orso, and thats not what we intended.
So it the CUBE or OPERA 9.5, make ur decision:)
My decision: OPERA 9.5 becouse it gives u the power of a desktop browser on you handheld.

RL Today, Batterystutus skin:
Idefinitely know what great shit you can with these progs í'd rather stick to HTC Home, it's simle but very usefull and very bufree(most of the times)

Dialer:
Do we have a dedicated guy who can design/code a dialer for us, i know i cant but i'm willing to learn.
Id like to see a big contact picture with as less buttons as possible.
The Diamond dialer is fuckn great, gonna post a screenie right here.
But offcourse we must edit it to the likings of our rom.

If more shit to discuss here post it right away u guys.

Gr. bram

Ps. Working on the essential graphics right now.

[Piranha1]

i think thats no problem.:)

[Noonski]

I think the Diamond Dialer that is going around is one intended for at least 3G devices. Same as the Kaiser dialer. I got it to work but it had some quirks like missing buttons. And the Diamond version i tried out didn't have Smartdialing (Weird)

I'll test another one.

Having Ftouchflo is cool but it interferes with the calibration of screen making tapping less acurate.

So for Ease of total Use i won't enable it and maybe remove altogether.

Yes i'm dissmissing my own idea.

I'm going to test a Dialer.

Nope none around with Smartdial.

But i do have a Kaiser 3G dialer that does have a working Smartdialing that can be skinned.

But that's also a bit flaky.

[bereda]

Yup i double that, my server is definitely cracked down, so i have to re-install everything. With not much time on my hands it can take a while.

Further great ideas from u guys, my vision on the spoken words before:

Cube:
I personally think the cube is great, sometimes i miss him on the Diamond.
But then again, what we dont have on today and is on the cube?
If we implement opera 9.5 AND the cube it think our ELF users will get a free memory of 7 mb orso, and thats not what we intended.
So it the CUBE or OPERA 9.5, make ur decision:)
My decision: OPERA 9.5 becouse it gives u the power of a desktop browser on you handheld.

RL Today, Batterystutus skin:
Idefinitely know what great shit you can with these progs í'd rather stick to HTC Home, it's simle but very usefull and very bufree(most of the times)

Dialer:
Do we have a dedicated guy who can design/code a dialer for us, i know i cant but i'm willing to learn.
Id like to see a big contact picture with as less buttons as possible.
The Diamond dialer is fuckn great, gonna post a screenie right here.
But offcourse we must edit it to the likings of our rom.

If more shit to discuss here post it right away u guys.

Gr. bram

Ps. Working on the essential graphics right now.

why not have 2 versions... the cube cant be that hard to get rid of and that hard to keep right?... and also if people want opera 9 cant they just download but personally i like smaller faster roms with just ie beecause its not as big and is all ready included.. just my opinion

im with bram on the less buttons bigger picture

and home is bug free plus its smaller of a file

[Noonski]

why not have 2 versions... the cube cant be that hard to get rid of and that hard to keep right?... and also if people want opera 9 cant they just download but personally i like smaller faster roms with just ie beecause its not as big and is all ready included.. just my opinion

im with bram on the less buttons bigger picture

and home is bug free plus its smaller of a file

Choices, Choices.

But who said the Rom was Slow?
WM6.1 isn't as extreme as WM6.0 where bigger and more files also meant a slower ROM. I'm amazed at how snappy it's reacting despite being a bigger Rom.

[bereda]

i just mean not packed with uselessness both versions are good i dont like bloated roms lol... oh are we expecting something similar to diamond when all styling is done?


also i might search around and find a port (mainly the windows folder) from the diamond and see if i can pull some stuff to use.. sound like a good idea?? i mean styling wise maybe i can get some stuff from that home program and use it i dont know im kind of tipsy right now (best way to design stuff not sober and watching futball highlights)

[savale]

Wow Bram, I really like the graphics! Great looking black, white, red combination!

[bram_smulders]

Wow Bram, I really like the graphics! Great looking black, white, red combination!

Haha, this is the skin of the diamond, our skin will be different in color.

gr. bram

[Noonski]

Haha, this is the skin of the diamond, our skin will be different in color.

gr. bram

What Where Skin?

Someone Gave me a Nice Present, Going to Sip some while i ad some more new Packages from the List.

I know BTW understand why people like the HTC AudioManager.
(but stil trimming MP3's is better on PC because for nice loops HTC misses the miliseconds).

Any Reactions on the XDA YouTube Player

Jay My First Star.

New Adobe Reader has gotten a bit faster so definitely good upgrade.

Looking forward to converting Bitmap files to proprietary HTC format.

Bram can you send me your personal Re tweaks?

[sala91]

Hey, after whyle, even Shadow 2.1 has memory leaks, so pls make shure you dont hehe :)

BTW: Some aps like Wk task are better of to not included, like HTC TaskManager is so much better imo.

Office + One note, Adobe Reader, Google Maps, Messenger, Opera browser, Remote Desctop and Viigo and Zumobi cloud be included as an extra to youre usual stuff :p

Anyway, would like to test youre rom, cant wait to get rid of shadow ones :D

[bram_smulders]

What Where Skin?

Someone Gave me a Nice Present, Going to Sip some while i ad some more new Packages from the List.

I know BTW understand why people like the HTC AudioManager.
(but stil trimming MP3's is better on PC because for nice loops HTC misses the miliseconds).

Any Reactions on the XDA YouTube Player

Jay My First Star.

New Adobe Reader has gotten a bit faster so definitely good upgrade.

Looking forward to converting Bitmap files to proprietary HTC format.

Bram can you send me your personal Re tweaks?

Make the youtube package, its not as good as diamonds but it rules anyway.
I've got the logincodes from that german geezer, i'll post it soon when i've uploaded all the flders.

gr. bram

[Noonski]

Who wants to update the Opera Package

http://rapidshare.com/files/124009147/xOpera.zip.html

with

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=401643

?

Oooh Nice Update to volume changer

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=395695

[bram_smulders]

Who wants to update the Opera Package

http://rapidshare.com/files/124009147/xOpera.zip.html

with

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=401643

?

Oooh Nice Update to volume changer

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=395695
heeeey noon,

ill start making an oem pack for opera, since I have the newest diamond build.
its a frigging nice browser, im typing this on my diamond and it works great.
xda is much better when browsing from a htc phone:) .

can we skin that volume slidee?
if so, its a nice addition to our rom.
the graphics are allmost finished an ill post them soon.

gr bram

[Noonski]

heeeey noon,

ill start making an oem pack for opera, since I have the newest diamond build.
its a frigging nice browser, im typing this on my diamond and it works great.
xda is much better when browsing from a htc phone:) .

can we skin that volume slidee?
if so, its a nice addition to our rom.
the graphics are allmost finished an ill post them soon.

gr bram

Beware of the VGA Virus going on.

It's easy to make an OEM, just checking who's awake;)

Yes slider is skinnable and i allready started working on it. (and then i didn't save it all)

[nomik2]

hey guys, I hope you could use the newest HTC camera app thats going around. Also, I think you should go with Opera 9.5 instead of the cube, I really didn't find much for the cube either. And are you guys considering any of the S2 apps by A_C. I think they are quite useful...specially S2P.

[Noonski]

hey guys, I hope you could use the newest HTC camera app thats going around. Also, I think you should go with Opera 9.5 instead of the cube, I really didn't find much for the cube either. And are you guys considering any of the S2 apps by A_C. I think they are quite useful...specially S2P.

Been trying to convince them here about S2P.

And now that there's a seperate HTC MP3 trimmer that works without the Audio manager.... Hint hint

It's going to be testing and trying.

The Puzzling part sounds like a good think thank problem.

And yes there's always stuff that i would do different then Bram.

But i also agree on what i think ís one of Bram's Rules.

"Keep the experience as close to the Original Rom as Possible"

New and or different Soft ussually scares of the Moderate User.
(you know the ones that never post here, but flash a Rom in Hundreds to Thousand folds)

[sala91]

Actually i agree, cube is quite useless, with 5 tab HTC Home...

[bram_smulders]

Been trying to convince them here about S2P.

And now that there's a seperate HTC MP3 trimmer that works without the Audio manager.... Hint hint

It's going to be testing and trying.

The Puzzling part sounds like a good think thank problem.

And yes there's always stuff that i would do different then Bram.

But i also agree on what i think ís one of Bram's Rules.

"Keep the experience as close to the Original Rom as Possible"

New and or different Soft ussually scares of the Moderate User.
(you know the ones that never post here, but flash a Rom in Hundreds to Thousand folds)

The mp3 trimmer is already a oem that works and i'm tinking of implementing s2u2 and s2p.
Krijg je toch nog je zin noonski :P

gr. bram

[nomik2]

The mp3 trimmer is already a oem that works and i'm tinking of implementing s2u2 and s2p.
Krijg je toch nog je zin noonski :P

gr. bram

I take my word back...it seems that s2p doesn't like to multitask at all. Slows down and lags a lot under heavy use...suggest dropping it. S2V and S2U2 are def. good, specially turn off screen during call.

[nomik2]

Also, I hope you guys plan to post beta versions so we can test the ROM out. I have been itching to test my ROM after I was not too impressed with the battery life of AB.UC ROM (sorry ababrekar maybe its my software :D)

[Ameet]

Also, I hope you guys plan to post beta versions so we can test the ROM out. I have been itching to test my ROM after I was not too impressed with the battery life of AB.UC ROM (sorry ababrekar maybe its my software :D)

thnx for the feedback brother.. point taking very sportingly ;) gives me chance to plug the loopholes :)

coming back to touch surface, i'm getting my new comp tonight.. after that its cooking time again everyone :D

[bram_smulders]

thnx for the feedback brother.. point taking very sportingly gives me chance to plug the loopholes :)

coming back to touch surface, i'm getting my new comp tonight.. after that its cooking time again everyone :D

Haha dual graphics and 16gb ram is'nt really needed for cooking, except we can aexpect graphic driver in our touches:p
Nonetheless is a killer pc and while cooking you canb play crysis at very high:cool:

gr. bram

[123plons]

I take my word back...it seems that s2p doesn't like to multitask at all. Slows down and lags a lot under heavy use...suggest dropping it. S2V and S2U2 are def. good, specially turn off screen during call.

i've been reading all posts since start, and I think the surface team Rocks!!

played yesterday in the mediamarkt with the diamond, and if some of the new stuff is in the rom......

I'm definitely flashing it.

Can't wait.....


Plons
on HTC touch

[bram_smulders]

Crew: Check your inbox,

You all have pms!!

Gr. bram

[nomik2]

thnx for the feedback brother.. point taking very sportingly ;) gives me chance to plug the loopholes :)

coming back to touch surface, i'm getting my new comp tonight.. after that its cooking time again everyone :D

I am still using it right now...also, two more little annoyances:
1. when I soft reset the 'start' windows logo disappears until I click on it and then its normal.
2. when i change mode to vibrate, i no longer get the vibration feedback to show it worked.

Also..I hope you can bring the speed of your ROM to Touch Surface.

Another note on the camera App...this version looks much nicer:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=355587

Even though it doesn't work on the Touch, a similar one worked on my Rogers Branded HTC Touch, this one also shipped with the new Touch Dual inbox (sweep left and right b/w mail and sms) and the newer camera album. Heres a link to the ROM:
http://rapidshare.de/files/39121462/Rogers_Elfin_2.21.631.1_WWE__OS_dump.zip.html

Hope this helps, cheers. :D

[Noonski]

I well victim to the ever elusive Blue Screen Of Death on the Touch That no one blieves exists.

It says something about a power failure and then it says CLICK YES.
But you can't click it.
This time i made a crappy picture with my Wizard Cam as Proof.

Who wants the rom with this Unique bug that gives you a heart ache ;)?

Back to Scratch good thing i have my Back up device.

Make the Blue screen dissapear this weekend allready uploading some of the working packages.

[Ameet]

I well victim to the ever elusive Blue Screen Of Death on the Touch That no one blieves exists.

It says something about a power failure and then it says CLICK YES.
But you can't click it.
This time i made a crappy picture with my Wizard Cam as Proof.

Who wants the rom with this Unique bug that gives you a heart ache ;)?

Back to Scratch good thing i have my Back up device.

Make the Blue screen dissapear this weekend allready uploading some of the working packages.

HAHA. So i was not alone to experience that one when i started cooking ;) it does nothing, just formats the device cleans

[Noonski]

HAHA. So i was not alone to experience that one when i started cooking ;) it does nothing, just formats the device cleans

But it's so bad it's good.

No We are Brothers We Share Windows Mobile Blue Screen Blood, we should start a Group.

And it's been almost 8 months ago since my last.


http://http://forum.xda-developers.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=95357&stc=1&d=1214423270

I modeled my Splash screen after this one in Prev Rom.

MS rocks at these weird screens.

Like "The keybaord is missing press F12 to continue"

Part of the Fun Fuck Up Badly then Retrace the steps to find out what it was and get better at it by starting from scratch, Wax in Wax Out.

[sala91]

Crew: Check your inbox,

You all have pms!!

Gr. bram
Why didint i get one? :D

No realy, if i can do anything, then let me know :D

[Noonski]

Why didint i get one? :D

No realy, if i can do anything, then let me know :D

It was for the Secret Brotherhood Of WinMob Blue Screeners.

[bram_smulders]

yes, our secret society worship the blue screen.
its our saviour, our hope in hard times.
if we haven't got our bluescreen we are nowhere.

praise the blue screen, sing halleluja!

now back on track without stupid shit.
today illupload my oem packs with full graphics and such.

gr bram

[hwpeter]

found one good graphic you guy might want to consider.
http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/9237/prsentationrbglossyeditsu8.jpg
Picked up from: ARTEMIS TOUCH 4.02 Red and Black Glossy Edition Skin [UPDATED 06.05.08] (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=391856)

Thanks for your Great works!
PS. when will The Touch Surface Rom be ready?

[Beaumont]

Hello, Bram! I'm interested in russian version of your new ROM. What do I have to do to help you in create Russian ROM? I want to try.

[pkoper]

But it's so bad it's good.

No We are Brothers We Share Windows Mobile Blue Screen Blood, we should start a Group.

And it's been almost 8 months ago since my last.


http://http://forum.xda-developers.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=95357&stc=1&d=1214423270

I modeled my Splash screen after this one in Prev Rom.

MS rocks at these weird screens.

Like "The keybaord is missing press F12 to continue"

Part of the Fun Fuck Up Badly then Retrace the steps to find out what it was and get better at it by starting from scratch, Wax in Wax Out.

Who said it doesn't exist?

Had that one a few times, mostly after failed attempts to port xip.

[Trekvogel]

found one good graphic you guy might want to consider.
http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/9237/prsentationrbglossyeditsu8.jpg
Picked up from: ARTEMIS TOUCH 4.02 Red and Black Glossy Edition Skin [UPDATED 06.05.08] (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=391856)

Thanks for your Great works!
PS. when will The Touch Surface Rom be ready?

Oh please don't! The red hurts my eyes, not to mention my good taste ;)

[Noonski]

Nah very nice work, a lot of love went into it.

It's a great example to tickle our fannies.

But not green enough.

As for The Base OSses.

Their all VGA It's better to replace all the 192 res files.

Not that ELF's don't handle it but the OS has to parse more icon sizes and if it caches the higher resolution icons and dll's it will use more memory.

Funny thing is that everytime i torture myself to start over with 2.26 Elf OS files. I then make an almost default rom. And the free memory then goes up with 3MB. So that's without removing all the SQM and other stuff.

The closer i stay to original the more memory i have.

I say take what we need from new vga OS.

But use 2.26 ELF OEM files.
Use Metadata Folder from 2.26 ELF in SYS.
Then most Sys folders from last QVGA available Dumped Rom, and only use interesting SYS folders from VGA builds.

XIP can be the latest from any resolution.

I'm using Ameet's Xperia developers version and that's performing well.

Just think about how icon's and DLL files get cached into memory it will make sense.

[Ameet]

Nah very nice work, a lot of love went into it.

It's a great example to tickle our fannies.

But not green enough.

As for The Base OSses.

Their all VGA It's better to replace all the 192 res files.

Not that ELF's don't handle it but the OS has to parse more icon sizes and if it caches the higher resolution icons and dll's it will use more memory.

Funny thing is that everytime i torture myself to start over with 2.26 Elf OS files. I then make an almost default rom. And the free memory then goes up with 3MB. So that's without removing all the SQM and other stuff.

The closer i stay to original the more memory i have.

I say take what we need from new vga OS.

But use 2.26 ELF OEM files.
Use Metadata Folder from 2.26 ELF in SYS.
Then most Sys folders from last QVGA available Dumped Rom, and only use interesting SYS folders from VGA builds.

XIP can be the latest from any resolution.

I'm using Ameet's Xperia developers version and that's performing well.

Just think about how icon's and DLL files get cached into memory it will make sense.

hmm.. it does make sense. hey brother, can u post a list in the server which mentions which can be picked up from the original 19199 rom (sys) coz the last time i tried that i got the xip build of xperia and sys of my original wm6.1

posted a new rom based on newest raphael in my thread. it is pretty good speedy, suggest we use that one ;)

[Noonski]

hmm.. it does make sense. hey brother, can u post a list in the server which mentions which can be picked up from the original 19199 rom (sys) coz the last time i tried that i got the xip build of xperia and sys of my original wm6.1

posted a new rom based on newest raphael in my thread. it is pretty good speedy, suggest we use that one ;)

But are you using the Full Sys Packages?

Well i hope you guys have kicked out the wives and girlfriends.

Because i'm going to call this Hell Weekend.

Fanboy drooling right here: http://www.phonescoop.com/articles/article.php?a=200&p=360

Also after all this time i finally find this..
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=966683&postcount=3

Going to test it.
I like to file my contacts First Name First.

So I Up my pruposed Packages to Working Folder? Right.

And extra Packs not used go into repository?
Got it.

And did that Rapheal Rom come with 96 DPI Sys packages or are those replaced ones

Auto Hybernate cool i was looking for that.

300_Diamond_USB_Mass_Storage

Is working But it's not asking on the device how you want to connect.

But it's good enough to replace WM5Torage.

It's smaller and i'll check the transfer speed. (tested not really faster then WM5torage)
(And Someone will propably make it worrk on connect to)

Another Tip disable Andvanced Network Functionality to get better Syncing with Vista.
Objections? Or Reasons Why not to?
Nope 300_Diamond_USB_Mass_Storage sucks with Big 99MB File. Retest. Well for ME WM5Torage is performing better after a few 99MB file tests.

Bram Unless you are planning on Kicking out the WM 6.1 Taskmanager, your previous ShellREs.DLL is not going to do it. It's missing some new Icons. So it has to be remade using the new DLL. At the moment i only found the Missing Taskmanager.

[bereda]

bram, noonski do you guys think i can beta test?

i tried the xperia build and rapheal build and the rapheal in my opinion is better it seems more stable

im also working on some new graphics maybe ill post the they might be of some use

[Noonski]

bram, noonski do you guys think i can beta test?

i tried the xperia build and rapheal build and the rapheal in my opinion is better it seems more stable

im also working on some new graphics maybe ill post the they might be of some use

I'll Up the current build i'm playing with, no skinning in it.

But nice to get some Feedback on BooBoo's

http://rapidshare.com/files/125658662/RUU_Signed.zip

[bereda]

thanks ill check it out now

[Ameet]

hey noonski.. i tried using the metadata folder from 19199 but it showed me build 19199.1.2.0 after flashing :( i dont know what folders to be picked up for keeping the system load to bare minimum

[Noonski]

hey noonski.. i tried using the metadata folder from 19199 but it showed me build 19199.1.2.0 after flashing :( i dont know what folders to be picked up for keeping the system load to bare minimum

The reason i use the Original ELF 2.26 Metadata is because it contains the correct hives files,.

When i used the older Kaiser Build i had a lot more problems with RGU files not sitcking in registry. That's not happening anymore.

I don't think it's a big problem using another Metadata folder.

But it's partly Smart lazzyness, No i don't have registry settings that do not apply to the Touch.

The best would be to clean or compare Hives files from new builds, but that is a long and greusome (need spellcheck for this word) process.

But it might also mean that the hives are missing a few important WM6.1 specific registry settings.
But haven't experienced anything out of the ordinary.
(Aah my frickin head i''m getting to old for this Frickin drinking Shit)

The Sub part og 19199.1.2.0 (1.2.0) can be edited in the Registry.
First one to find that reg gets a no Prize.
(yup i'm not looking for it)

Running AsyncKiller, ProcesKiller and Autohybernate.
And building my own personal Proces killer list.
Loving the way it is keeping my memory steady.

[Ameet]

The reason i use the Original ELF 2.26 Metadata is because it contains the correct hives files,.

When i used the older Kaiser Build i had a lot more problems with RGU files not sitcking in registry. That's not happening anymore.

I don't think it's a big problem using another Metadata folder.

But it's partly Smart lazzyness, No i don't have registry settings that do not apply to the Touch.

The best would be to clean or compare Hives files from new builds, but that is a long and greusome (need spellcheck for this word) process.

But it might also mean that the hives are missing a few important WM6.1 specific registry settings.
But haven't experienced anything out of the ordinary.
(Aah my frickin head i''m getting to old for this Frickin drinking Shit)

The Sub part og 19199.1.2.0 (1.2.0) can be edited in the Registry.
First one to find that reg gets a no Prize.
(yup i'm not looking for it)

Running AsyncKiller, ProcesKiller and Autohybernate.
And building my own personal Proces killer list.
Loving the way it is keeping my memory steady.

hey noonski.. the touch dialer base and kaiser blue skin packages combined gave me this screenshot. any ideas what went wrong? i deleted "phcanOverbmp.dll" from oemapps

[Noonski]

hey noonski.. the touch dialer base and kaiser blue skin packages combined gave me this screenshot. any ideas what went wrong? i deleted "phcanOverbmp.dll" from oemapps


Don't see no screen shot but i think what you mean.

What i did with that dialer is add the RGU entries to the cab file that i ran through the Autorun Process.

After that the dialer worked (besides one Button)
But i'm only asuming what your screenshot looks like.

[Ameet]

Don't see no screen shot but i think what you mean.

What i did with that dialer is add the RGU entries to the cab file that i ran through the Autorun Process.

After that the dialer worked (besides one Button)
But i'm only asuming what your screenshot looks like.

oh oh... so sorry.,. deleted the screenshot.. anyways, the buttons were blanks and no text could be seen.. although i could call and dial nos but nothing seen on screen except the button borders :)

[Noonski]

oh oh... so sorry.,. deleted the screenshot.. anyways, the buttons were blanks and no text could be seen.. although i could call and dial nos but nothing seen on screen except the button borders :)

Yup that one.

Try making a cab of RGu file then run that in first pasrt of Autorun, thats how i fixed it.

[Ameet]

Yup that one.

Try making a cab of RGu file then run that in first pasrt of Autorun, thats how i fixed it.

can u send me the rgu? i'm cooking it in my rom.. dont wanna keep it for autorun ;) io love that kaiser skin with seperate pages for missed calls, inoming and outgoing calls

[Noonski]

can u send me the rgu? i'm cooking it in my rom.. dont wanna keep it for autorun ;) io love that kaiser skin with seperate pages for missed calls, inoming and outgoing calls

I have The RGU at home i'll Upp it Later on Tonight.

I'll test the same package later on to.

And what i meant is that even with the RGU in the package you will get that weird looking shit.

You have to add the RGU registry settings to a cab file that runs in Auto Run to get the dialer working correctly, i even tried iwth a PROVXML but it did not work.
Then again i might have fucked up then using the kaiser metadata ;)

Because i wanted to skin this dialer to because this one does have a working smartdialer function on touch

[pkoper]

Who is working on what build etc. probably good to get some structure....

Piranha and I have been playing with the 19588 build, both WWE and GER. There seems to be some weird things happening with the registry.

And who can shed some light on the CPL thingy?

[Noonski]

Who is working on what build etc. probably good to get some structure....

Piranha and I have been playing with the 19588 build, both WWE and GER. There seems to be some weird things happening with the registry.

And who can shed some light on the CPL thingy?
I'filling up the Working_Folder with the new OEM packages.

What do you want to know about the CPL thingy?

Try replacing the Metadata with Original elf 2.26 version.

I'm having less (None) issues with non sticky registries.

[Ameet]

this is what i followed as guideline for porting the newer sys builds (for the cpl tweaking)

[Ameet]

I'filling up the Working_Folder with the new OEM packages.
cool. so we start actual cooking soon :)

Try replacing the Metadata with Original elf 2.26 version
tried this after reading ur last post but the problem is after flashing the build shown is 19199.1.2.0 (:eek: since wen did 19199 have aku 1.2.0) xip is right from raphael (19958) in fact the sys is from raphael too but i think there might be something in the metadata folder

i'm still looking out for a way to edit the default.hv and user.hv files. cant figure out how to edit those buggers

[pkoper]

there is a tool for those in the core kitchen.... lets you convert hv. to .rgu and vice versa

[Noonski]

there is a tool for those in the core kitchen.... lets you convert hv. to .rgu and vice versa

Yup core does the Job.

What happens when you replace everything in metadata except the hives files.?

(Still think it's in the hives anyway, i'll check after testing Kaiser Dialer)

AKU i found here:

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\System\Versions]
"Aku"=".0.4.2"

[!Aman!]

Yup core does the Job.

What happens when you replace everything in metadata except the hives files.?

(Still think it's in the hives anyway, i'll check after testing Kaiser Dialer)

AKU i found here:

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\System\Versions]
"Aku"=".0.4.2"
hives r rebuilt by the buildos.exe, u can remove the hives from donor SYS and try to cook

[Ameet]

Yup core does the Job.

What happens when you replace everything in metadata except the hives files.?

(Still think it's in the hives anyway, i'll check after testing Kaiser Dialer)

AKU i found here:

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\System\Versions]
"Aku"=".0.4.2"

can u send me the hive editor tools only? the aku is from one of the rgus from baselang or shell, i dont remember off hand but metadata replacement causes the build to be shown as older build

[pkoper]

I'll put it on the server

[Ameet]

I'll put it on the server

cool.. thnx brother

hey noonski. xda search plugin is amazing job :D keep it up

[Noonski]

cool.. thnx brother

hey noonski. xda search plugin is amazing job :D keep it up

Sometimes Amazing stuff is damned simple.

But couldn't find the Build number in the hives files.

Can you poast the Metadat folder from Raphael Build?

[pkoper]

ameet... its just rgucomp.exe.... do you not have it

[pkoper]

make_hv folder in tools

[Ameet]

Sometimes Amazing stuff is damned simple.

But couldn't find the Build number in the hives files.

Can you poast the Metadat folder from Raphael Build?

this is the one tht i used right now

also i'll post the details of another finding regarding xip.. my current program memory is 115.98 mb ;) deleted a few things. will post the details tomorrow :)

[Ameet]

make_hv folder in tools

kk.. :) i'll check and report it brother.. till tomorrow g'nite :)

[Noonski]

kk.. :) i'll check and report it brother.. till tomorrow g'nite :)

How about this.

I replaced the default phcanOverbmp.dll with one made by Dfereira (WM5SE Wizard Rom)

And it freed up 2 MB of memory.

went from +/-21.8 to +/-24.6 Okay i lied it's almost 3MB

I attached the DLL can anyone confirm this?
Remove the zip extension.

Who said new is always better.
Maybe it's a good thing we are taking the time.

Oh and using the 19958 metadata dit not change the version number. (except the hives)

So it must still be in the Hives but maybe as a hex.

[@rj*n]

hi bram... i asked previously about cootek touchpal keyboard.. u said no ^.^ now wondering if th diamond keyb will b embedded in th rom?? if so could u plz giv a thought abt not doin tht rather make a cab for it to b installed separately ( '-')? so tht everyone can keep th keyb of their choice... i reckon th diamond keyb is of large size.. just my suggestion hope u'll look into it.
lastly thanx to all u guys for doing so much for th xda-community KUDOS!!

[Noonski]

Wel i am using the seperate parts of the Diamond Keyboard setup by Gullum.

So if need be It will only contain Base English keybaord.

And german will have extra german etcetc.
And then indeed an extra cab might b installed for a specific language.
N ot all languages need to be in there.
But these are still options no one knows what it will be.

[Ameet]

How about this.

I replaced the default phcanOverbmp.dll with one made by Dfereira (WM5SE Wizard Rom)

And it freed up 2 MB of memory.

went from +/-21.8 to +/-24.6 Okay i lied it's almost 3MB

I attached the DLL can anyone confirm this?
Remove the zip extension.

Who said new is always better.
Maybe it's a good thing we are taking the time.

Oh and using the 19958 metadata dit not change the version number. (except the hives)

So it must still be in the Hives but maybe as a hex.

hmm.. i'll check the dll and confirm ;)

19958 metadata had no problems? what did u do? u left the hives from metadata? what if we delete the hives from 19919 metadata and have buildos create new hives? htctouchp confirmed this can be done in bepe's kitchen. in ervius's kitchen u need to have the hives

another thing about xip i found while playing around is that after deleting another two dll modules apart from the hd.dll and os*.dll and a few other files, the available memory became 115.98 mb :eek: and the device runs without any problems whatsoever. i dont know what do those file do but i have attached the zip of those files and deleted the references from boot.rgu.. now i'm gonna test the 19199 metadata without any hives anywhere while cooking.. will test and report :)

[pkoper]

What is the newest official OS build at the moment?

Just saw a 20226 from pdaviet

[Ameet]

What is the newest official OS build at the moment?

Just saw a 20226 from pdaviet

i've heard thats a beta build.. anyone to confirm? phamquang cant be contacted at the moment else he would give me the source

[Noonski]

hmm.. i'll check the dll and confirm ;)

19958 metadata had no problems? what did u do? u left the hives from metadata? what if we delete the hives from 19919 metadata and have buildos create new hives? htctouchp confirmed this can be done in bepe's kitchen. in ervius's kitchen u need to have the hives

another thing about xip i found while playing around is that after deleting another two dll modules apart from the hd.dll and os*.dll and a few other files, the available memory became 115.98 mb :eek: and the device runs without any problems whatsoever. i dont know what do those file do but i have attached the zip of those files and deleted the references from boot.rgu.. now i'm gonna test the 19199 metadata without any hives anywhere while cooking.. will test and report :)

Good Test.

Also good idea to look up dependencies of running services and processes see if they call these Exe's and to some registry surfing on them.

But Build Numbers Don't Say S#!7 anyway. They can be faked anyways. And over the years i have really not seen anything really changing drasticly from minor build to minor build. Som Sys apckages have been the same for ages.

If it works it works, if it works faster it works faster.

[!Aman!]

Good Test.

Also good idea to look up dependencies of running services and processes see if they call these Exe's and to some registry surfing on them.

But Build Numbers Don't Say S#!7 anyway. They can be faked anyways. And over the years i have really not seen anything really changing drasticly from minor build to minor build. Som Sys apckages have been the same for ages.

If it works it works, if it works faster it works faster.
i think we dont need the hives even in Ervius' kitchen EXCEPT boot.hv, i'll test my new ROM (prepared in ervius' kitchen after deleting the hives) in the evening and post the results. hives are built automatically from the rgu's, u can check them in the dump folder. if u are using bepe's kitchen, u can delete all the three hives. i'm also testing if it is possible to remove the rgu's from XIP itself.

[!Aman!]

i think we dont need the hives even in Ervius' kitchen EXCEPT boot.hv, i'll test my new ROM (prepared in ervius' kitchen after deleting the hives) in the evening and post the results. hives are built automatically from the rgu's, u can check them in the dump folder. if u are using bepe's kitchen, u can delete all the three hives. i'm also testing if it is possible to remove the rgu's from XIP itself.
ok, i've tested ervius' kitchen also. u dont need the donor hives (default.hv and user.hv) at all in his kitchen also. according to bepe, the os version is inside the dsm file d0b41563-b345-4444-aa15-986e7c7fff99.dsm (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=1162174&postcount=12), so i'm not sure why ameet had that problem after using metadata. plus u can remove the rgu's from XIP without any issues (at least not until now :D)

[sohard4me]

gratz! its not 20226 anymore, but 20262 is the latest one!

http://club.ccmove.com/nclub/topicdisplay-1236-1079967-1.html

and that rom is for elf/elfin also :D a pity its CHS. so any way to change it to WWE?

[Noonski]

ok, i've tested ervius' kitchen also. u dont need the donor hives (default.hv and user.hv) at all in his kitchen also. according to bepe, the os version is inside the dsm file d0b41563-b345-4444-aa15-986e7c7fff99.dsm (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=1162174&postcount=12), so i'm not sure why ameet had that problem after using metadata. plus u can remove the rgu's from XIP without any issues (at least not until now :D)

Cool Beans, Good research.
Away with The Hives...... not yet.

I'll take a look at where this one is located at home.

But first some sun.

Damn Cootek's TouchPal is getting better and better.
(but to make an OEM of their CAB is headaches)

Looked at the redistribution cluasule but.. eeuuhh i could not find it.

Made a WWE SD card installer for it.
Since eventually this will be UC Compatible anyway.

Done testing Async KIller, Pkill (Exception Error, WinMob reboots after it), AutoHybernate (Phone freezes sometimes for a few seconds), FtouchFlo (Touch Screen loses responsiveness Removeing these from my Advanced Configuration package.

If it's okay i'll up an open Beta Rom version.

After that i'll add MMS 4.2 and Jbed version euh...

Still need to remove a few shortcuts but it's generally to get some response on performance and memory.

Still need to add some apps of the List.

Nothing is skinned except for my own temp Surface Fractal Icons.

who can make the nicest Gif start up image using Surface Logo?

All i need for now is the latest OS folder from the latest 96dpi Sys and 192dpi Sys;)

Do some comparisons on memory
http://rapidshare.com/files/126416546/RUU_Signed.zip
Storage is at 37.37 Left without HTC album (but with Skinned S2V which is not fully in rom yet)
So it's almost a stock Rom But with some more stuff.

[!Aman!]

guys i've decoded the Hex string responsible for build numbers. i've taken the example of 19958 build. the mystery lies in the "05 00 02 00 B0 04 F6 4D" string. "05 00 02 00 " points to the kernel version 5.2. the string "B0 04" points to the AKU version, "F6 4D" points to the build number. for getting AKU number, invert "B0 04" so that it becomes 04B0, convert this HEX number to decimal and u get 1200, which is actually 1.2.00, the AKU number. similar operation on "F6 4D" will give u 19958, the build number.
the hex string "05 00 02 00 B0 04 F6 4D" can be found in msxipkernel dsm and d0b41563-b345-4444-aa15-986e7c7fff99.dsm (great Bepe mentioned about this dsm) at 6-7 addresses. i have not tested by modifying all of them. i just tested the core version change which worked (check screenshot). i'm sure someone will (Ameet is already testing it) thoroughly test it and report the findings.

[Ameet]

i'm sure someone will (Ameet is already testing it) thoroughly test it and report the findings.

damn u aman for putting so much work pressure on me!! :p

hey great finding brother.. can u post a link to original thread where u got this info or u found it on ur own? i'm testing it while writing this and will report the findings soon :) lack of test device is holding me back by a bit

found an online calculator for hex conversions and many more.. now its kinda easy to understand the values :) http://www.easycalculation.com/hex-converter.php

[Noonski]

I knew Faking Build numbers happened, know we know how.

And now there is another reason not to care about these version numbers ;)

Just my opinion.

[!Aman!]

damn u aman for putting so much work pressure on me!!

hahahaha, u r good enough to handle this pressure brother, remember i always tell u that u shouldnt be a manager ;)

i found the OS build number related dsm from bepe's thread a few days back while looking for something else, lol. so the credit for finding OS dsm goes to bepe only (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=1162174&postcount=12). i was just trying to change the Core version as u asked me in the morning, so i'll take the credit except for OS dsm :p. i asked bepe how to decode the Hex string, but he didnt reply, may be he was busy. so i decided to decode it myself. but i'm too lazy to test everything on my own, so putting more pressure on u :D

btw, hex to dec conversion is damn easy, just use windows calculator in scientific mode, u dont need anything online.

[Ameet]

hahahaha, u r good enough to handle this pressure brother, remember i always tell u that u shouldnt be a manager

i found the OS build number related dsm from bepe's thread a few days back while looking for something else, lol. so the credit for finding OS dsm goes to bepe only (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=1162174&postcount=12). i was just trying to change the Core version as u asked me in the morning, so i'll take the credit except for OS dsm :p. i asked bepe how to decode the Hex string, but he didnt reply, may be he was busy. so i decided to decode it myself. but i'm too lazy to test everything on my own, so putting more pressure on u

btw, hex to dec conversion is damn easy, just use windows calculator in scientific mode, u dont need anything online.

:D i was trying to edit the values but then it suddenly struck me "why would i want to edit the build nos?" i mean if i do that what is the trust users would have in our custom roms? here we are despising everyone who comes up with fake builds and here we go editing the version nos as we want :(

so to know how it is done, i sincerely thank aman (htctouchp) to figure out the way it is done, yet i dont want to continue with this tweaking coz i'm happy with with the way htc has already numbered their roms ;)

[!Aman!]

:D i was trying to edit the values but then it suddenly struck me "why would i want to edit the build nos?" i mean if i do that what is the trust users would have in our custom roms? here we are despising everyone who comes up with fake builds and here we go editing the version nos as we want :(

so to know how it is done, i sincerely thank aman (htctouchp) to figure out the way it is done, yet i dont want to continue with this tweaking coz i'm happy with with the way htc has already numbered their roms ;)
thats exactly the reason i didnt want to change them
i just wanted to share my research with this forum that its very easy to change the build numbers, so everybody should be careful in chosing the ROMs, only use ROMs from trustable sources. good decision bro :)

[Noonski]

Okay guys i'm finsed gathering and making new OEM packs.

I'm re uploading them to the Working Folder SYS folder.

First up is 000_AutoRun_UC_0409 / 000_HTC_Cube_Disable_Swiping / 000_Advanced_Config_2_1

Who Can Check for Mistakes and or add some suggestions improvements.

Since your both online ;)

[!Aman!]

Since your both online


i'm not part of the crew bro, so i cant cheeck :)

[Noonski]

i'm not part of the crew bro, so i cant cheeck :)

Wot Your not ;)

Not even Beta Testing.

[Ameet]

Okay guys i'm finsed gathering and making new OEM packs.

I'm re uploading them to the Working Folder SYS folder.

First up is 000_AutoRun_UC_0409 / 000_HTC_Cube_Disable_Swiping / 000_Advanced_Config_2_1

Who Can Check for Mistakes and or add some suggestions improvements.

Since your both online ;)

i flashed with thosse packs and they work well.. but tell me since we cooking from scratch then why need the end key fix as a cab?

also i packaged this volume control from diamond 19951. flash my device with it, it works well (functionaly) but visually it is screwed. i mean since its for vga, i dont know how to convert for qvga. i think this is a cool control that works well with the hardware key. can u check and try to use it? it'll be a big hit

[Noonski]

i flashed with thosse packs and they work well.. but tell me since we cooking from scratch then why need the end key fix as a cab?

also i packaged this volume control from diamond 19951. flash my device with it, it works well (functionaly) but visually it is screwed. i mean since its for vga, i dont know how to convert for qvga. i think this is a cool control that works well with the hardware key. can u check and try to use it? it'll be a big hit

I read that Dutty was propably coming out with a QVGA version.

Yup the endkey link can be removed from the cab. But i left it there otherwise the cab would be empty. So we do need to put registry fices in there tht don't stick.

If none will be aplied the cab goes altogether, but for now i left it.

The reason i used to copy the Long end was because when you made a direct Long_end.lnk into windows the Mortscript did not get write permissions. And making an initflash files LE.lnk -> Long_end.lnk command would only crowd the rom with twoe links inWin folder ;)

Also left it there because i haven't tested the way Advanced Config handles this.
Put you have a valid point and i'm on your track.

Altogether i thinkUsing a cab to create menu's is a very slim solution, you get compression on the files and no Doubles.

Just like Opera not only is it big it also has to be copied to different folders.
That was a funky OEM package.

But maybe we can reduce Opera by getting rid of some of the H... files. And maybe it could even work from Win folder, but that's for later playing.

Sleep well.

Looks like Advanced Config is not picking up Lon_End configuration...:confused:

[Piranha1]

Hi Boys.i have make a ani for the rom i hope it is okay.:cool: Remove the .zip

[Noonski]

Hi Boys.i have make a ani for the rom i hope it is okay.:cool:

Woot Woot you are only making me excited.

Now for some bad news, just cut my nails some thats no flashing for two days:D.

Only PimBackup to Add, then It's time to Shave and Trim some more.

As soon as i have a backdrop from Bram i'll first do a WMP skin. I like the TOUCH skin best because all buttons are big. But using a Poorly Duck Base might also be an Option. Big Buttons or Small Buttons?

Mind if i touch it up in flash make the Logo rotate a bit?

[Piranha1]

@ Ameed look this file i have addet Device info and Clear storage.

[Piranha1]

here the rotatet version :)

[Noonski]

here the rotatet version :)

i WAS PLAYING AROUND AND MINE WAS ALL CRAPPY AND STUF,

Oeps sorry for the capps. I should be ashamed.

You got the Job.

@ Ameed look this file i have addet Device info and Clear storage.

Was it gone?

Adobe Reader LE 2.5 Package Added Removed InitFlashFiles Help files Copy Commands of the Graphics (let's save a few Bytes)
Programs Link Goes to Programs Office

Does Bepe's or Ervius Kitchen aply File Compression and Optimizing?

Nope doesn't look like the files are being compressed IN Bepe's.
Saved around 600KB on end NBH file, compressing Adobe Reader now let's see if it still works ;)
Well it also gave me more Storage Space and Adobe Reader working, so expect me to test all Files Compressed in Packages.

[Ameet]

Hi Boys.i have make a ani for the rom i hope it is okay.:cool: Remove the .zip

everything looks ok.. although can t cook n test in office :( damn out IT support team!! ;)

just an observation, maybe noonski can advice

<characteristic type="HKLM\ControlPanel\MyCpl\6" translation="filesystem">
<parm name="Name" datatype="string" value="Energie"/>
<parm name="Description" datatype="string" value="Power"/>
<parm name="File" datatype="string" value="Powerexe.exe"/>
<parm name="CmdLine" datatype="string" value=""/>
</characteristic>

<characteristic type="HKLM\ControlPanel\MyCpl\2" translation="filesystem">
<parm name="Name" datatype="string" value="Gerätesperre"/>
<parm name="Description" datatype="string" value="Key Lock"/>
<parm name="File" datatype="string" value="KeyLock.exe"/>
<parm name="CmdLine" datatype="string" value=""/>
</characteristic>

<characteristic type="HKLM\ControlPanel\MyCpl\17" translation="filesystem">
<parm name="File" datatype="string" value="Backlight.exe"/>
<parm name="Description" datatype="string" value="Backlight"/>
<parm name="Name" datatype="string" value="Beleuchtung"/>
<parm name="CmdLine" datatype="string" value=""/>
</characteristic>

we will have to put it as a WWE version first :)

<characteristic type="HKLM\ControlPanel\Comm" translation="filesystem">
<parm name="Group" datatype="integer" value="2"/>
<parm name="TurnRadioFlag" datatype="integer" value="0"/>
<parm name="AutoRunCFG" datatype="string" value="\Windows\config.txt"/>
<parm name="AutoRun" datatype="string" value="\Windows\autorun.exe"/>
</characteristic>

wont this entry in the CPL have any problems of running the autorun everytime the device boots? else i think it will be double entry since noonski already has this in his autorun package


<characteristic type="HKLM\ControlPanel\Power" translation="filesystem">
<parm name="LowState" datatype="integer" value="6"/>
<parm name="MedState" datatype="integer" value="26"/>
<parm name="HighState" datatype="integer" value="51"/>
<parm name="FullState" datatype="integer" value="76"/>
<parm name="Redirect" datatype="string" value="powerexe.exe"/>
<parm name="Group" datatype="integer" value="1"/>
</characteristic>

isnt this already covered above? else can we think of combining this entry with the above and delete the doubles?

what do u say noonski?
also re u combining the folders in sys for the final cook? i think the TS animated startup is a good idea. i read it somewhere that the first boot screen can be embedded in nk.exe (this will eliminate the chance of TS losing its signature in case if users overwrite the animation or boot screen welcomehead) cant find the thread again, was too sleepy last night

deleting all the actual files from modules folders save any space or eliminate the fear of creating double entries in windows?

[Ameet]

Does Bepe's or Ervius Kitchen aply File Compression and Optimizing?

Nope doesn't look like the files are being compressed IN Bepe's

nope coz bepe's kitchen uses mamaich's imgfs tools. i replaced those with tadzio's tools and in thus save around 500kb in each cook of my roms :)

[havocnl]

Pff i'm away for work a couple of days and now i have a lot to catch up to with you guys posting and working so hard..... :D :D
Is there something you need tested ;)?

[Noonski]

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Comm]
"AutoRun"="\\Windows\\AutoRun.exe"
"AutoRunCFG"="\\Windows\\Config.txt"

Actually makes it triple if you count that it actually only need to be in the Boot RGU of XIP.

I actually use the HKLM\Software\HTC\HTCCPL to ad new Control panel links or change their names.

So learning something new using MyCpl. but then again haven't done enoug/h translating.

[matumartin14]

When will the ROM be downloadable?
Are you using Opera browser instead of PIE?
What is the latest Opera browser's build and which one is the most reasonable(I mean, the most stable and hasn't got much bugs)?
Can I install Opera on SD Card or move the cache on SD Card?

I really look forward to your ROM and I hope that it is going to be ready soon!:)

[Noonski]

When will the ROM be downloadable?
Are you using Opera browser instead of PIE?
What is the latest Opera browser's build and which one is the most reasonable(I mean, the most stable and hasn't got much bugs)?
Can I install Opera on SD Card or move the cache on SD Card?

I really look forward to your ROM and I hope that it is going to be ready soon!

Opera and IE at the moment.

There's a Beta Play Rom up a few posts.

The build i'm running has been stable but it's not the latest.

I think it was version 1126.

Opera is installable on SD card but some issues have been reported with the latest builds doins this.
But since it's a big and memory hugging app the decision to have it in Rom is a good one. (no sarcasm this just makes it slightly faster)
Also setting Cahse to SD also is buggy.

Everyone can say something about total speed. But compared to a stock non wm6.1 touch Rom it doesn't really matter it still is faster.

Pff i'm away for work a couple of days and now i have a lot to catch up to with you guys posting and working so hard.....
Is there something you need tested ?

I can say i really do a little each day.
Except for that night i missplaced the registry setting for the Dialer DLL PHCANOverMBP.
That took me to many reflashes to find it.

Bascily i got all the OEMS remade (except PimBackup and the new HTC Cam from HTCTOUCP and the new Remote desktop).
I will now recheck the extra packages and edit initflashfiles correctly then upload them so they can be corrected/doublechecked/improved.

So the core Rom can be tested and improved for quite some time for buggs while The actual skinning starts.

I'm not a pro at thinking up a new graphic style but applying a style to the apps i can do.

Ameet is doing some great testing with the XIP.
Update: Now testing Compressed Autorun Package shaved another 40k from Rom size let's see if it kills Autorun and Sdautorun.
Nope everything still working fine update UC_autorun package on server.
Startupmanager.cpl and softkey.cpl don't like comprseeion.
Updated 000 til 040 packages.

Oh and the reason i use shorter named lnk files is because the lnk files in Windows aren't important before initflash files and it's just a theory i'm testing.

Well editng this in Opera again. Tomorow i finish my first WMP skin. Brushed metal surface.

Temporarily Uploaded my new Set Volume Skin to Sys folders.
010_VolumeControl_0409_0_4_2_b
Until we have a direction for how the Rom looks i keep practicing
Screenshots
Finished the Surface Brushed Metal Skin.

http://forum.xda-developers.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=97363&stc=1&d=1215262175http://forum.xda-developers.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=97365&stc=1&d=1215262331http://forum.xda-developers.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=97364&stc=1&d=1215262331http://forum.xda-developers.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=97392&stc=1&d=1215273501

Not a skinning master it's based on the Touch Skin.

At the very least it will be easy to apply a new style now.

1340 mAh

Uploaded 300_HTC_Camera_0409_5_09_28878_00 to Sys folder on server tnx to HTCTouchP.
Nice and slim.
Need to retest the camera OEM package....

Also i'm testing a new adition to UC_Autorun.

First the FileAtribute.exe is ran to take the read only atribute from some files that get copied from windows to other folders (files like Opera Skin Files, SetVolume and Battery status Graphics that are both in Windows)
Then after that a mortcript is added to the Autorun to delete these files)
Like i said TESTING. But if this works we can end up with a cleaner and emptier Windows folder.
After that i'll check if the AutoShortcut method can be easily applied.
If all of this can work we can save some space and improve performance and Boot Time.
Also if this works Cooking will just get a little harder to do if done perfect.
Update: Well changing file attributes didn't work.
But i did recheck the new HTC camera Package and re uploaded it to server.
Also uploaded BTA2DP package with testes SRS WOW driver also working with BT Stereo.
Left the original A2DP driver in untill i can test that removing it does no harm.

[Noonski]

Bump.....

And Looking at What HTC did in Diamond Rom i will update the Flash 2.1 Plug in next but keep it at 2.1

Oeh this is bad, my last build keeps resetting itself after a few minutes:mad::mad::mad::mad:

[Ameet]

Bump.....

And Looking at What HTC did in Diamond Rom i will update the Flash 2.1 Plug in next but keep it at 2.1

wmp skin looks perfect brother :D cant wait to cook

[Noonski]

wmp skin looks perfect brother :D cant wait to cook

The skin is actually for a wizard Rom i'm working on.
Goes better with the device.

TNX

Try out the new A2DP package in working folder\sys.

See if you also get device resets.

Damn i wanted to go take a walk outside now i have to fix this.

Damn, even after seperating the SRSWOW from A2DP package and making a seperate package it's still happening.
SRS only works when installed through cab Thank Sleuth for UC.

Almost there still to go NETCF (but maybe it's best to stick with 2.0, 3.5 still has some issues with unsupported Apps)
And Jbed Java.

Also Expect all the Packages to have AutoShortcut Integration in them.

So no more initflashfiles.txt files.
The Shortcut installation path is now in the RGU file ;)

AutoShortCut configuration is in UC_AutoRun folder.

Rom's Ready for some real Beta Testing now, Last Test Flash infernal Build 42 (corresponds with successful flashes made, not counting Bootfreezes and Whitescreeens and weird Device Resets )

Performace is Better then Stock and some Wm6 roms still. Space is a bit less but what else do you need to install?

Bram, Maybe you were right and we should still include HTC Album to go with the new Camera.

[pkoper]

re NETCF, would stick with 2.0... 3.5 caused us heaps of issues with our 19588 build ( wouldn't MS use it themselves?)

btw.... what will it be diamond or raphael? :-)

[Noonski]

re NETCF, would stick with 2.0... 3.5 caused us heaps of issues with our 19588 build ( wouldn't MS use it themselves?)

btw.... what will it be diamond or raphael? :-)

I read some of the issues on your thread, and on some other threads as well.

But the new Adobe Reader does look faster,. ghegheghe.

Damn it's a hafty price, but damn worth it.
And i would have to wait a bit.
But my next best friend will be a Raphael, It's better for someone that mainly listens to music. But that 8G MicroSd Card i use now will come in handy and the battery is 50% larger to. (16G Microsd cards are coming soon)
Make that Baby Fly, let HTC iron out some of the quirks appearing on the Diamond, Bepe's cooking a ROM for the Diamong tho :cool:
Cheerz.

Updated SYS folders 000 till 0101 again.

Packages now all have Autoshortcut setup.
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\HTC\AutoShortcut]
"\\Windows\\Administrative Tools\\Advanced Config.lnk"="\\Windows\\ADC.lnk"

And yes it is speeding up first boot after flash. (It removes File operations from the Flashing proces and does them after flashing)

I'm now testing an Auto Clean Up Script that runs on second boot that removes itself and the autoschortcut from the start up items and removes Readonly from the files in Windows\StartUpDisabled and Start up. Also testing what effect it has on files i try to remove from Windows folder.
I'm not to hopefully for the Windows folder part but it's worth a try. The Startup clean part does allready work.

Let's all pray together that this works.
Rom size was 45.17 used storage memory.

Well it didn't clean up the Win folder as expected so no increase in Storage Space.
But it did clean up itself and the Autoshortcut from startup

So it can be made to clean up a bit more as long as it's not ROM files.

How's the Diamond Surface Rom going?

[mallik_raj]

Can you use Gullums throttle launcher skin with this rom.

I flashed gullum's rom just to see the interface. It was very good.


although the font coloring needs a bit of tweaking. and the wallpaper can be replaced with something more exciting.

the interface work he has done is commendable.


it is just a suggestion. ;-)

[chihliouma]

well, First of all, I should respect you guys who should still keep hard working to cook the new ROM, yet I believe there is NO perfect one in the world. But the waiting period just keep eating everybody's patience. So if you have cook a relatively stable and comfortable version already, I would suggest you just release it for people in the forum to test which I believe will be much more efficient than just few people inside to conduct limit test. Just a suggestion. Thanks.

[Noonski]

Can you use Gullums throttle launcher skin with this rom.

I flashed gullum's rom just to see the interface. It was very good.


although the font coloring needs a bit of tweaking. and the wallpaper can be replaced with something more exciting.

the interface work he has done is commendable.


it is just a suggestion. ;-)

Like his rom tested it, but it's not the direction we are going.

Besides even though Surface almost has same storage space it's faster at the moment then Gullum's but this is probply only because of Throttle launcher. (and less services and start ups)

well, First of all, I should respect you guys who should still keep hard working to cook the new ROM, yet I believe there is NO perfect one in the world. But the waiting period just keep eating everybody's patience. So if you have cook a relatively stable and comfortable version already, I would suggest you just release it for people in the forum to test which I believe will be much more efficient than just few people inside to conduct limit test. Just a suggestion. Thanks.

I posted a testing Stable Beta version (running it everyday myself)

But after seeing that it was being downloaded and not getting any reactions i removed it.

Any Beta version posted is intended indeed to get feedback.

Since the biggest surprise is going to be in the skinning, it would indeed best to get some good feedback in the time that is being worked on.




Now some on the development.

I was uploading to the FTP and found my FireFTP did not transfer the Hidden RGU files.

So i Made a new RGU for the WWAN folder from scratch and deleted the original.

Just so i could upload.

BUT, after flashing the rom with this package, i could not connect to internet.

Went back to original WWAN and it worked.

Went back to modified it broke.

Went back to original and it worked again (enough proof for me)

It is for this reason i will upload some of these SYS folders as Zip packages to FTP.

And it is for this reason some RGU file are missing on FTP from SYS folders.

So i uploaded the whole Sys as Zip package to for now.

[chihliouma]

Hi Nooski, I am not sure I've seen any beta version that you've posted before (maybe I miss it anyway), yet I believe it take some little time for people in this forum to download and try. If you just post and remove quickly, I guess many people cannot download and test and give you what they've found. My suggestion is just to post the beta version for people to d/l and wait for the feedback, and I believe you can receieve tons of feedback soon. Thanks.

[Supercows]

I would like to test the beta, please give me a link :)

[Ameet]

So i uploaded the whole Sys as Zip package to for now.

i'll download this tonight and cook a beta version with ur sys. any changes in the oem folder? or should i use the one that came with the shipped touch? gonna use the new 20226 xip. it is fast :)

[!Aman!]

gonna use the new 20226 xip. it is fast :)

i wonder how do u calculate the speed :D, they all look the same to me after trying so many xips

[Ameet]

i wonder how do u calculate the speed :D, they all look the same to me after trying so many xips


actually speaking, u right :D but on the face of it, it looks fast :) maybe its coz i use the uce roms too ;)

[!Aman!]

actually speaking, u right :D but on the face of it, it looks fast :) maybe its coz i use the uce roms too ;)
yup, thats the only reason i can think of. although i like to have the latest one as well ;)

[Noonski]

Hi Nooski, I am not sure I've seen any beta version that you've posted before (maybe I miss it anyway), yet I believe it take some little time for people in this forum to download and try. If you just post and remove quickly, I guess many people cannot download and test and give you what they've found. My suggestion is just to post the beta version for people to d/l and wait for the feedback, and I believe you can receieve tons of feedback soon. Thanks.

It was downloaded, i checked the stats and it was way more then just the Surface Cooking and testing crew. That's how i took the conclusion to take it of again.

Unless Bram Puts up a Open Beta link on the First Page i will make a list of some people that really want to test.

I'll up the full OEM as Zip file and the Full SYS as ZiP (Allready done) tonight.
Also make new Beta (without Catalog). (one bug is known "Large Start Menu Does Not like to not have any links in Start Menu folder ;)

[ayyu3m]

hiya noonski. how ya doin man? bein up all nite on this rom? hehe

jus wana say i wil be glad to test once a beta is out, and provide feeds on as much i know. hehe

[Noonski]

hiya noonski. how ya doin man? bein up all nite on this rom? hehe

jus wana say i wil be glad to test once a beta is out, and provide feeds on as much i know. hehe

Let's call it nightly builds.

I'll be surprised if a bug is found (except for Wifi double Tap stuff and HTCHome Double Tap because of clean start ups. ;)

Speaking of clean.

Since i'm using my HTC Network Wizard from SD card fix at the moment.
I added another little clean up (Having HTC network wizard at start up in notifications costs around 7 MB at start up)

So now the rom Flashes and starts, During first run and welcome wizard it performs the file operations in the background, one of the file operations is to copy little clean up script to the start up again. After Customization it reboots and starts the clean up script that again (cleans itself to) copies another clean up for network wizard into the startup. At this boot networkwizard pops up and asks to configure device and at the end asks to reboot. Device reboots The last clean up runs, cleans the Network wizard from starting up in notifications and cleans itself up. Is anyone following me still? Because if you don't have my network wizard on SD it will still eat a little memory at start up trying to find it on the SD card. This way people that don't have My wizard (or do have it) on SD card don't have to suffer from lower memory at reboot. Tadaah Smart Rom Flashing.

[ayyu3m]

haha :D i had to read thru twice jus to get the idea of the clean up script. and yeah, it wud be a really nice script man. btw using ur network wizard in my blue elves rom ;) as we speak...hehe. yeah was flashing some roms, and configuring the network. :D

[Noonski]

haha :D i had to read thru twice jus to get the idea of the clean up script. and yeah, it wud be a really nice script man. btw using ur network wizard in my blue elves rom ;) as we speak...hehe. yeah was flashing some roms, and configuring the network. :D

SetFileAttribute("\Windows\StartUp\CLASCNET.mscr", "readonly", FALSE)
SetFileAttribute("\Windows\StartUp\CLASCNET.mscr", "system", FALSE)
RegDeleteKey( "HKLM" , "System\Notifications\network wizard roaming" , TRUE , TRUE )
RegDeleteKey( "HKLM" , "System\Notifications\network wizard home" , TRUE , TRUE )
RegDeleteKey( "HKLM" , "Software\HTC\NetworkWizard" , TRUE , TRUE )
Delete( "\Windows\StartUp\CLASCNET.mscr" )

It doesn't make a very big difference but there's just no sense running something you don't use anymore. ;) (as in i expected more free memory then i actually got at reboot)

[enriqueluis]

can i flash the diamond surface ROM on my HTC touch? it says that check ur update utility?..what is wrong...thnk!...please reply

[Ameet]

can i flash the diamond surface ROM on my HTC touch? it says that check ur update utility?..what is wrong...thnk!...please reply

its not Diamond Surface :D Its a Touch Surface ROM ;)

[bram_smulders]

can i flash the diamond surface ROM on my HTC touch? it says that check ur update utility?..what is wrong...thnk!...please reply

If you have a diamond go to the diamond forum, if you have a touch, wait here for the upcoming rom(or test the beta)

gr. bram

[Noonski]

If you have a diamond go to the diamond forum, if you have a touch, wait here for the upcoming rom(or test the beta)

gr. bram

I take that as a positive hint.

So I have uploaded the updated SYS and OEM folders as zip files in the working_Folder and the ROM is at 50%.


Nightly ELF/IN Beta Build 6.09.SP3.59 (http://rapidshare.com/files/129695409/RUU_Signed.zip)
(een beetje vanne dit en een beetje vanne datte)


Known unchangeable behavior:
Needs two taps to start weather settings for HTCHome.
(HTC services has been taken out to preserve memory)
Tap Twice to start Wifi in CommManager.
(HTC changed this start up to work with HTCservices so need to make a new start up, but i will put it in Startupdisabled folder, without System and readonly atributes so you don't get an error when you move it back using StartUpManager)
Haven't finished testing new Set Volume Package. (mistake in it's ini files) (FIXED BUILD49)
Voice Recorder link is not reacting. (nothing to worry about)
Check if Mysterious Control Panel Freeze is related to Compression.
Check Timezone Settings that don't Stick.
Check NL Keyboard Keypad Lay Out.


Please report Findings and experiences.
Make your life easier and install this before flashing.. http://rapidshare.com/files/95488777/SPCeed_HTC_Network_Wizard_1.1.cab

[chihliouma]

Hi Noonski, I would suggest you put the beta version in the top of the thread because I think it'll be too hard for people to scroll down 40 pages and find the link. The visibility will be increased a lot and more people can download. Thanks.

[Noonski]

Hi Noonski, I would suggest you put the beta version in the top of the thread because I think it'll be too hard for people to scroll down 40 pages and find the link. The visibility will be increased a lot and more people can download. Thanks.

I don't have the power to do that.... yet...

But with some insense and positive thinking who knows what is possible.

I think it would be better to have a link to the post itself in the first thread.
After the first upload i forced myself to fix the Wifi startup anf SetVolume issues. So two extra nightlies.

So a good idea chihliouma

[Ameet]

downloaded the beta.. will test and report the findings tonight :)

[chihliouma]

I don't have the power to do that.... yet...

But with some insense and positive thinking who knows what is possible.

I think it would be better to have a link to the post itself in the first thread.
After the first upload i forced myself to fix the Wifi startup anf SetVolume issues. So two extra nightlies.

So a good idea chihliouma

Why don't you just open a new thread directly for people to download of this beta version ?

[Noonski]

Why don't you just open a new thread directly for people to download of this beta version ?

Executive Decisions on this Project are not made by me ;)

Also don't want to create confusion as the way the rom looks now is not the way it is going to look when it's finished.

But yes maybe a Beta thread is a good idea.

And maybe winning 25 million in the lottery tonight is a better idea. (always hopefull)

[jacobstim78]

Have flashed the beta and the only thing that is not working is the diamond keypad in dutch as soon as you select this language the keypad doesn't show up with almost no grafics. The rom is fast but sometimes hang's a bit. I think totalcommander and netwerkwizard whot be a nice adding. 1 question do how mutch is the pagepool? Like the graphics. Thank u

Sorry for the englisch

[Noonski]

Have flashed the beta and the only thing that is not working is the diamond keypad in dutch as soon as you select this language the keypad doesn't show up with almost no grafics. The rom is fast but sometimes hang's a bit. I think totalcommander and netwerkwizard whot be a nice adding. 1 question do how mutch is the pagepool? Like the graphics. Thank u

Sorry for the englisch

Gheheh Good thing you tested the dutch keyboard as that's the only extra language keyboard i have added.

I will recheck this with Gullum on his Keyboard thread (quite long) but i can reproduce this. (but i don't think this should be a biggie)

Total Commander is allready in the Rom for the moment Network wizard is at thwe moment only as SD support with seperate install.

If enough people can understand that having everything in the rom reduces the left over Storage space, it might be that Bram changes his mind about Network Wizard in Rom.

Anorther thing is the rom should not become to slow.

The hanging part is interesting.

Can you elaborate on this one (personally i think i should switch back to uncompresses and hacked Total Commander, but i'm wondereing when you get the hanging part?)

TNX

Pagepool is at Default ELF 8 MB don't know what that means for Default Elfin (20? Ameet?)
I have tested 4MB PP on ELF but that gives a noticeable decrease in speed on this Packed ROM.

[jacobstim78]

thanks noonski i haven't found total commander yet. The speed problem is most of the time when you are in settings and then pres system tab i had now 2 times of compleet hang had to softreset. the other times it just take a wile but not al the time. i notist when it happens i also have a program memory los only 12 to 13mb left only sktools installed. I have the normal touch by the way. Going to try 6mb pagepool then.

Edit: I have changed the pagepool to 6mb an it run's great no noticeable speed drop(mem 25.8mb).
After the reflash i have total commander and the network wizard poped up.
That didn't happen before.
For now i had no mem. drops and no hanging.
The dutch keypad stil give's problems for me it's a rather big problem because i always use that.
I also changed the top and botom bar to more black(basehue 160) in my opinion it matches the theme more(just mine).

[Noonski]

thanks noonski i haven't found total commander yet. The speed problem is most of the time when you are in settings and then pres system tab i had now 2 times of compleet hang had to softreset. the other times it just take a wile but not al the time. i notist when it happens i also have a program memory los only 12 to 13mb left only sktools installed. I have the normal touch by the way. Going to try 6mb pagepool then.

Edit: I have changed the pagepool to 6mb an it run's great no noticeable speed drop(mem 25.8mb).
After the reflash i have total commander and the network wizard poped up.
That didn't happen before.
For now i had no mem. drops and no hanging.
The dutch keypad stil give's problems for me it's a rather big problem because i always use that.
I also changed the top and botom bar to more black(basehue 160) in my opinion it matches the theme more(just mine).

Cool these are usefull hints.

Also do you use a custom UC ?

I'll recheck the Package and maybe i'll go back to completly uncompressed files.

[jacobstim78]

No no custom UC. Dank u

[Noonski]

I'll test a few reflashes without running my Custom UC then.

I can't think of a reason TatolCMD link did not get created.

[ayyu3m]

All systems up and going. This baby is working fine so far so good. Been using for the past 5hrs. Total Commander is working fine for me. i can see the link.

btw forgive me if i m being a screenshot ass. but i do like em' snaps. so here are some snaps. pls advice me for removal if there are any rights issues. hehe.

http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h257/ayyu3m/Screen01-1.png http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h257/ayyu3m/Screen02-2.png http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h257/ayyu3m/Screen04-1.png

So ofcourse default paegpool and yet so much memory after several programs been run. keke

ISSUES:
*After flashing and initial setup of time zone and time settings and after the device reboots on UC, the timezone and settings revert back to rom initial timezone and time+date
*After switching to landscape mode and after going to settings, there was a hang and had to do a soft reset.

[Noonski]

All systems up and going. This baby is working fine so far so good. Been using for the past 5hrs. Total Commander is working fine for me. i can see the link.

btw forgive me if i m being a screenshot ass. but i do like em' snaps. so here are some snaps. pls advice me for removal if there are any rights issues. hehe.

http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h257/ayyu3m/Screen01-1.png http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h257/ayyu3m/Screen02-2.png http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h257/ayyu3m/Screen04-1.png

So ofcourse default paegpool and yet so much memory after several programs been run. keke

ISSUES:
*After flashing and initial setup of time zone and time settings and after the device reboots on UC, the timezone and settings revert back to rom initial timezone and time+date
*After switching to landscape mode and after going to settings, there was a hang and had to do a soft reset.

No rights issues. It's just for my next project. Not the Surface Project.

Timezones shouldn't be a problem to fix (crossing my fingers here).
The freeze however is a hard one to figger out.

The programs lay out will make sense once i reveal this nice new thingy.

It will make you forget about the enlarged start menu or the cube.
(Looking for a job in marketing)

[jacobstim78]

Everything is running fine so far (keypad:mad:)
i came up with something else that every time you change your wallpaper with S2V the large startmenu is back to normal and you have to uncheck and recheck the enable box its miner i now but i'm giving you what i find.


Englisch:(

[Noonski]

Project on Hold.

Have to think about what do do with it.

Want to know what the rest of the Surface Crew thinks about it.

Personally i think i should stand By Bram's decision and not finish this ROM.

I joined because i wanted to at least take some wind out of his sails.

I knew he really wanted to make something different even tough he did not have the spare time he needed.

I want to keep this thread alive and keep the crew together.

[nomik2]

All systems up and going. This baby is working fine so far so good. Been using for the past 5hrs. Total Commander is working fine for me. i can see the link.

btw forgive me if i m being a screenshot ass. but i do like em' snaps. so here are some snaps. pls advice me for removal if there are any rights issues. hehe.

http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h257/ayyu3m/Screen01-1.png http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h257/ayyu3m/Screen02-2.png http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h257/ayyu3m/Screen04-1.png

So ofcourse default paegpool and yet so much memory after several programs been run. keke

ISSUES:
*After flashing and initial setup of time zone and time settings and after the device reboots on UC, the timezone and settings revert back to rom initial timezone and time+date
*After switching to landscape mode and after going to settings, there was a hang and had to do a soft reset.

Is this by any chance the visual style you guys are looking for?

[Noonski]

No that was my own personal skin that i wanted to implement an a wizard rom that i will someday make.

Why, You don't like it?

Or do you like it and want the TSK?

And the battery status is something i should actually disable by default also Quickmenu is not enabled by default.

Also i haven't added icons to the program folders yet, but if all goes well you will propably never see the programs folder.

[pkoper]

I do understand his point, especially as it is not the first time...

It is only fair if we do not finish

[surface_rom]

I do understand his point, especially as it is not the first time...

It is only fair if we do not finish
guys , do not act like bram passed away or something, he'd love to see you guys finish this project.
and im gonna give a spin to this project too.

gr. s

[pkoper]

Noonski? rest of the crew?

gr. p

[Noonski]

The Evolution Of The Surface Rom.

Press the Camera Button to get a glimpse of some of the Changes.


Then Long Press the Green Call Button.

Maybe we don't have Schaps new Rom interface yet.

But this will be getting very close to it ;)

Same will eventually happen when you press The Office Icon and loads more. No More Start Menu Needed. This is not something new, this is something that we should have been doing a long time ago.

I will inherit some of the Surface Graphics but those will be kept a surprise. (yes i retouched the pictures this is still very early in development and i need to get used to this technique)

[Ameet]

Project on Hold.

Have to think about what do do with it.

Want to know what the rest of the Surface Crew thinks about it.

Personally i think i should stand By Bram's decision and not finish this ROM.

I joined because i wanted to at least take some wind out of his sails.

I knew he really wanted to make something different even tough he did not have the spare time he needed.

I want to keep this thread alive and keep the crew together.

hmm.. looks like we need to keep the project on hold (repeat, on hold) for sometime. probably we'll talk it out with bram and noonski takes over as the chief chef in here :)

what say crew?

[Ameet]

The Evolution Of The Surface Rom.

Press the Camera Button to get a glimpse of some of the Changes.


Then Long Press the Green Call Button.

Maybe we don't have Schaps new Rom interface yet.

But this will be getting very close to it ;)

Same will eventually happen when you press The Office Icon and loads more. No More Start Menu Needed. This is not something new, this is something that we should have been doing a long time ago.

I will inherit some of the Surface Graphics but those will be kept a surprise. (yes i retouched the pictures this is still very early in development and i need to get used to this technique)

now that is a great developement noonski.. we should really implement it in surface rom :)

[havocnl]

Just read about bram.... It a real shame that so many people have this kind of behaviour... and I understand why he did this, also had to do this on one of my old projects... communities can really help, but they can also wreck things....

But on the subject of this ROM project, i'm still in for testing, was on my way here to flash the new nightly from noonski....
I say continue, and finish the project with all remaining people who want to participate, make it a true community project like bram intended. I still believe it is a very good way to reach a great ROM.

So gonna try the nightly now, wish me luck ;)

[kar200]

Hi guys,

I am not sure I understand what is happening here so I will try to keep this short.

Basically I flashed what looks like a beta "looks fantastic to me :)" and I am using it at the moment on my elfin.

I am not sure if you need any feedback with it but I will stay on hold for this and I really think this is an amazing rom.

Good luck for the rest "I am watching this space".

[Noonski]

Jeez louise that was an hour well wasted.


I\Since i also want to replace the Long_Power button function wit new menu..

I ran into the problem that you can't simply run the poweroffwarning.exe as is.

And as posted a long time before in this thread we don't want to lose the funcionality of power off completly.

So i tested and searched and finally found

66#"\Windows\PowerOffWarning.exe" /ExitWindowsEX (EWX_SHUTDOWN, NULL)

So now i can make a shortcut and put that in the new Long Press Power Menu.

I think sharing this is fital Because i haven't seen implenetation of this in a any rom. (And i'm all about sharing)

Since i did not find this on XDA (or maybe i did not search enough)

So now maybe some people understand why somethings take so long.

Screen in a moment.


I consider this my little revenge by not listening to what people want and doing what i think is best ;)
(don't mind the battery icon placement that's because i installed S Mobile Shell to test some other stuff to)

[havocnl]

Jeez louise that was an hour well wasted.


I\Since i also want to replace the Long_Power button function wit new menu..

I ran into the problem that you can't simply run the poweroffwarning.exe as is.

And as posted a long time before in this thread we don't want to lose the funcionality of power off completly.

So i tested and searched and finally found

66#"\Windows\PowerOffWarning.exe" /ExitWindowsEX (EWX_SHUTDOWN, NULL)

So now i can make a shortcut and put that in the new Long Press Power Menu.

I think sharing this is fital Because i haven't seen implenetation of this in a any rom. (And i'm all about sharing)

Since i did not find this on XDA (or maybe i did not search enough)

So now maybe some people understand why somethings take so long.

Screen in a moment.

http://forum.xda-developers.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=98626&stc=1&d=1215804393
I consider this my little revenge by not listening to what people want and doing what i think is best ;)
(don't mind the battery icon placement that's because i installed S Mobile Shell to test some other stuff to)
Looks good noonski :)
Like the idea of a shutdown related menu

[Noonski]

Looks good noonski :)
Like the idea of a shutdown related menu

Dude the Whole Menu Structure will be like this.

With Left Right Cube Swipes, Up for Down swipes for down up page or exit.

Also replace the HTC Quicklist.

You can see i'm enthousisatic about it.

And also nice about it is that your not stuck with the default Homescreen backdrop.

Why did i get myself into this...:confused:

I'm grateful for the developer that made this And he will be on top of my thanks list once it's finished.

[nomik2]

No that was my own personal skin that i wanted to implement an a wizard rom that i will someday make.

Why, You don't like it?

Or do you like it and want the TSK?

And the battery status is something i should actually disable by default also Quickmenu is not enabled by default.

Also i haven't added icons to the program folders yet, but if all goes well you will propably never see the programs folder.

Not really...I am more for the clean look with lots of black/white (Diamond hits it right on). But...to each his own...

[nomik2]

I see you guys are going for some crazy functionality here, but speed should be really important. No point on having cool stuff if it you have to wait for stuff to load. That being my main complain with custom ROMs here.

[Taninpv]

I see you guys are going for some crazy functionality here, but speed should be really important. No point on having cool stuff if it you have to wait for stuff to load. That being my main complain with custom ROMs here.

Couldn't agree with you more. I also add that it should have NO memory drainage problem, and how about a sizable pagepool.

[Noonski]

I see you guys are going for some crazy functionality here, but speed should be really important. No point on having cool stuff if it you have to wait for stuff to load. That being my main complain with custom ROMs here.


Oh it's fast believe me.

These functions are more lightweight then enlarged start menu or Quick list.

The only thing that is reducing speed is that it's not a slim rom because it has a lot of other apps. But still it's faster then stock in my experience.
It's not going to be s speedfreak. It's just not that kind of ROM

Couldn't agree with you more. I also add that it should have NO memory drainage problem, and how about a sizable pagepool.

Back up a few posts a tester already posted that memory is quite stable. But it might use a bit larger IconCache for screen build up.

Trust me, i know what i'm doing.

And there's some people that know what they are doing testing it.

So if you have tried the Beta you will get a feel for the speed, new functions do not change that.

Also the usability should be faster because the main goal is to reduce screen taps and finger friendliness.

Pagepool can be changed, default is 4 for ELF in.
And different Pagepools can be added (since i don't have to test and make them myself), that problem has been solved for a while now.
Unlessyou meant changing this on the Fly in rom.
http://i230.photobucket.com/albums/ee270/Noonski76/SurfaceInterface.jpg
And it is set to adjust itself to the Home Screen theme you are using so your not stuck with unmatching menu's ;)
Up next is replace HTC Quick list. (Done another HTC App Bites the Dust.)

Does anyone have a nice Iconset or should i stick to HTC Icons for the Quick list? (Ah Fo git it, i used System DLL's already loaded into the Font Cache)

Now here's more bad news. Any Contacts app is crap.

Wanna find someone fast and call them,.. use Smart dial.

That gives me another Home screen softkey to make a new Contact Menu for.

You see the startmenu is slowly completely being replaced, i still gots me 8 more HTC Home buttons left, hm what to use these for.?!

A Photo Button to Landscape and portrait HTC Album with a fixed Graphics (yup this has slipped by some people) & PIMG
A Video Button to L & P HTC Album Video mode, Streaming Media, Flash Player & WMP.
Still got enough buttons left, Say Bye Bye to the startmenu, and if everyone is nice and sweet I'll even do my best to enable configuration off all menu's to your personal extra installed apps needs.

Did i mention it's also going to double as an extra file browser?

Beta Testers and Tweakers PM me for some hardcore Beta testing and swearing into secrecy.

Pkoper, Ameet, And yous other guys this thread is going to be closed we are going underground ;)

Yes we are accepting motivations in the form of Donations (https://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=_xclick&business=nuno%40thezolder%2enl&item_name=New%20Shoes%20For%20Noonski%20And%20furt her%20Development%20of%20SPC%20Touch%20Roms&no_shipping=0&no_note=1&tax=0&currency_code=EUR&lc=GB&bn=PP%2dDonationsBF&charset=UTF%2d8) to finish the Surface Rom, Donations are also partly donated to XDA & the developer of the application that is going to change the way you use you touch, and it's not Schap's.

[nomik2]

I am going to start testing the Betas as I get some free time next month. But really...the visual style is not very appealing as of now. I mean, a large part of a good ROM is how it looks. I am not tooo sure of what is going on, but what happened to Bram?

[Noonski]

It's a demonstration that it works with your Homescreen backdrop.

Now why would i be giving away the way it's going to look?
I'm only giving away how it's going to work.
(and wanted to pop in the Cube Menu switching)

Every one knows it will have some Green tints and that's about it.

I'm not known as a cook that grabs the first "COOL" theme someone else has made, my priority has always been functionality.

At this moment there is only one image of around 240x320 that is going to determine how everything is going to look.

And the man that has it, retired.

But the good thing is you can always use your own Fav Theme, like i said the Menu's adapt to that, i was just using different themes to show it.

And i will off course need to adjust the font colour so it will be more fitting with different coloured themes.

As for the Icons i'm going for as much System Icons as possible. Better for speed. And if need be the icons can then be directly replaced in the .dll files.

[havocnl]

I take that as a positive hint.

So I have uploaded the updated SYS and OEM folders as zip files in the working_Folder and the ROM is at 50%.


Nightly ELF/IN Beta Build 2.26.111.49 (http://rapidshare.com/files/128497689/RUU_Signed.zip)
(een beetje vanne dit en een beetje vanne datte)


Known unchangeable behavior:
Needs two taps to start weather settings for HTCHome.
(HTC services has been taken out to preserve memory)
Tap Twice to start Wifi in CommManager.
(HTC changed this start up to work with HTCservices so need to make a new start up, but i will put it in Startupdisabled folder, without System and readonly atributes so you don't get an error when you move it back using StartUpManager)
Haven't finished testing new Set Volume Package. (mistake in it's ini files) (FIXED BUILD49)
Voice Recorder link is not reacting. (nothing to worry about)
Check if Mysterious Control Panel Freeze is related to Compression.
Check Timezone Settings that don't Stick.
Check NL Keyboard Keypad Lay Out.


Please report Findings and experiences.
Make your life easier and install this before flashing.. http://rapidshare.com/files/95488777/SPCeed_HTC_Network_Wizard_1.1.cab
Flashing as we speak! :D
Should the network wizard you posted be installed to the device or to your storage card (opslagkaart)?? Is this the UC compatible thing (haven't read on this before... probably should)
Will let you know how it works out today on first work. You'll get a nice list of my comments I think ;)

[Noonski]

Flashing as we speak! :D
Should the network wizard you posted be installed to the device or to your storage card (opslagkaart)?? Is this the UC compatible thing (haven't read on this before... probably should)
Will let you know how it works out today on first work. You'll get a nice list of my comments I think ;)
If you wait an hour i got a newer version that actualltu has some of the new menu's

The Network wizard is hardcoded to the Storage card no matter what you choose and it is UC compliant.


(Changed Font Colour of Menu to Black and White, and Changed Icons. It seams i was bullshitting, Reading from DLL files results in a slower screenbuild up of the menu's, menu is loaded but last icons still need to load, so now i will use new Icons to)

And here's an invitation to a certain Cook to join the Cause...

[havocnl]

If you wait an hour i got a newer version that actualltu has some of the new menu's

The Network wizard is hardcoded to the Storage card no matter what you choose and it is UC compliant.


(Changed Font Colour of Menu to Black and White, and Changed Icons. It seams i was bullshitting, Reading from DLL files results in a slower screenbuild up of the menu's, menu is loaded but last icons still need to load, so now i will use new Icons to)

And here's an invitation to a certain Cook to join the Cause...
Okej i'll just reflash it. Curious for your new menu's!

Crap my stylus just broke.... where the hell did I leave my spare one.....

[Noonski]

Okej i'll just reflash it. Curious for your new menu's!

Crap my stylus just broke.... where the hell did I leave my spare one.....

Since i repaired my styles it's been a lot stronger.

Extra plastic and melted it.

Few more minutes encountered a little issue with Softkey not wanting to open the "New" Menu.
(And i forget to put the new menu in new icons)

Download:
http://rapidshare.com/files/129428777/RUU_Signed.zip

http://i230.photobucket.com/albums/ee270/Noonski76/NewIcons.jpg

[havocnl]

Since i repaired my styles it's been a lot stronger.

Extra plastic and melted it.

Few more minutes encountered a little issue with Softkey not wanting to open the "New" Menu.
(And i forget to put the new menu in new icons)

Download:
http://rapidshare.com/files/129428777/RUU_Signed.zip

http://i230.photobucket.com/albums/ee270/Noonski76/NewIcons.jpg
Okej thanx, gonna try it when it's downloaded.
btw how exactly did you fix your stylus? put some extra plastic in there, heat it up, and put the other part back in?
Think secondenlijm will also work?

[Noonski]

Okej thanx, gonna try it when it's downloaded.
btw how exactly did you fix your stylus? put some extra plastic in there, heat it up, and put the other part back in?
Think secondenlijm will also work?

Indeed used a plier to hold the Styles then heated it up with some little extra plastic in there, then i inserted the top of stylus again let it cool and scraped away exces plastic.

Found first bug (fixeable) New Appointment hangs and freezes device.

Competly of topic, but Adam Curry just became my hero.

[havocnl]

Indeed used a plier to hold the Styles then heated it up with some little extra plastic in there, then i inserted the top of stylus again let it cool and scraped away exces plastic.

Found first bug (fixeable) New Appointment hangs and freezes device.
Wanna try it but the zip file is password protected???

[Noonski]

Wanna try it but the zip file is password protected???

Looks like you weren't included in my Mass PM.

BTW there is no Bug.,, It just doesn't like to create an appointment before you have changed the time and date to a more realistic one.

[Ameet]

Looks like you weren't included in my Mass PM.

unfortunately even i was excluded :)

[Noonski]

unfortunately even i was excluded :)

I think it just failed, you weren't exlcuded.
You were both in it.

I was doing to much at the same time :) Flashing, uploading Posting to two sites, praying.

(Update i just fixed/removed the glass reflection of the mail icons)

[havocnl]

I think it just failed, you weren't exlcuded.
You were both in it.

I was doing to much at the same time :) Flashing, uploading Posting to two sites, praying.

(Update i just fixed/removed the glass reflection of the mail icons)
Couple of things:
- when opening the diamand qwerty keyboard for the first time (only then) the numeric "tabs" started at -3/4. When skipping through them behaviour returned to normal, now everything oke
- Camera app is not linked correctly... "Error opening the shortcut or locating the target filename"
- Most of the things in the long-press endkey are useless in my opinion. Accessed by either the new power-key menu or the normal home screen profile tab. Maybe a quick link to connection manager will be more in order here?
- Time zone related stuff goes well, timezone +1 of course. And also the dutch keyboard settings in T9 seem to work well.

First impression, looks better and more finished then the previous beta, overall stability (so far) is very good. Speed is good, except the new menu's appear with a too long delay for my taste.
Visually was really a switch from my regular black/white/bright colors combination skins, but starting to like it.

Gonna fuck around with it more tomorrow, installing some custom apps, GPS and Tomtom. And of course going to stress everything you put in it ;)

P.S. don't forget me in the PM's ;)

[Noonski]

Couple of things:
- when opening the diamand qwerty keyboard for the first time (only then) the numeric "tabs" started at -3/4. When skipping through them behaviour returned to normal, now everything oke
- Camera app is not linked correctly... "Error opening the shortcut or locating the target filename"
- Most of the things in the long-press endkey are useless in my opinion. Accessed by either the new power-key menu or the normal home screen profile tab. Maybe a quick link to connection manager will be more in order here?

First impression, looks better and more finished then the previous beta, overall stability (so far) is very good. Speed is good, except the new menu's appear with a too long delay for my taste.
Visually was really a switch from my regular black/white/bright colors combination skins, but starting to like it.

Gonna fuck around with it more tomorrow, installing some custom apps, GPS and Tomtom. And of course going to stress everything you put in it ;)

P.S. don't forget me in the PM's ;)

I took out the Camera Button i'm making the new one now ;)

Yeah the Endkey menu is a hard one indeed.

It's the only Menu i can't replace easily to start with but leaving it will also result in the only Quickmenu that doesn't change.

Endkey and Commmanager will remain unthought of for the moment.

I will maybe replace the Contacts Menu to random acces it's something that i have to think about and worth a discusion.

But i think you got the right idea and a feeling of my intentions.

The Keybaord is also something i have pushed to the end of my list, i have to switch to Gullums final version and read through his thread to find the Keypad Language Lay out issue. But i'm so into this at the moment that i don't want to change my concentration.

Making the menu's at this moment is do-able but i expect some configuration issues when actually going into the programs menu's and linking them all together in a cube.

Hope to finish Office Menu tomorow (or tonight).

Performance is not yet at max But i'm keeping it save for the moment. There's still some files in HKLM\Init and in services that can die.

Safety First ;)

TNX

Again as for the skin it is not the final version.

This really depends on Bram's Legacy, Like i said all i need is an original image of 320x240 that i can then base stuff on like the commmanger wmp skin etc etc.

That is eventually going to decide the whole look of the ROM.

So Suggestions for a Backdrop are welcome as long as it's an original.

Also suggestions for clock icons are welcome unless these are fine.

And also the HTCHome Tab icons will change in the final version.

Yes baking a rom using stuff you find left and right is easy. Trying to skin everything from Scratch is a whole different ballgame.

If people want to Flash another PDAviet clone or Diamond Look A Like there's Plenty of options out there.

Final version will have at least two .TSK themes.

WTF Dutch Keypad fixed itself...?? Hm also Diamond Keyboard does not start as default anymore...

The Switching bug's been in there for a while.

Also the OEM package for the Menu's been uploaded

[Noonski]

I am going to start testing the Betas as I get some free time next month. But really...the visual style is not very appealing as of now. I mean, a large part of a good ROM is how it looks. I am not tooo sure of what is going on, but what happened to Bram?

Bram Quit..

But if the easy part about the Icons is that if they are to colurfull i can easily make a greyscale version ;)

So i think it's clear the looks are not yet completly the most important during Beta.

[Noonski]

Bram Quit..

But if the easy part about the Icons is that if they are to colurfull i can easily make a greyscale version ;)

So i think it's clear the looks are not yet completly the most important during Beta.

Another Nightly with Fixed new Camera Menu. And it has the Office Menu with the older Iconset in the HTCHome Programs tab. (you can clearly see the screen build up). Up swipe at the moment is to switch to the rest of the apps , down swipe is to close Menu's (will also change once i open all the options to reconfigure the Menu to personal needs, but i personally also like the down swipe exit action)
Hope to have Cube implemented with left and right swipes by the end of the week.

http://rapidshare.com/files/129487995/RUU_Signed.zip

We are one member Short of the now renamed Surface Production Crew.

One that can cater a SPeCific Language Group?

I wonder who would like to Join SPC?
koala996 (http://forum.xda-developers.com/member.php?u=613931)?

[koala996]

Another Nightly with Fixed new Camera Menu. And it has the Office Menu with the older Iconset in the HTCHome Programs tab. (you can clearly see the screen build up). Up swipe at the moment is to switch to the rest of the apps , down swipe is to close Menu's (will also change once i open all the options to reconfigure the Menu to personal needs, but i personally also like the down swipe exit action)
Hope to have Cube implemented with left and right swipes by the end of the week.

http://rapidshare.com/files/129487995/RUU_Signed.zip

We are one member Short of the now renamed Surface Production Crew.

One that can cater a SPeCific Language Group?

I wonder who would like to Join SPC?
koala996 (http://forum.xda-developers.com/member.php?u=613931)?

well well well... I'm back in the business !

so after a little beta testing .. WOW .. I would have loved Vista to make this impression of speed and responsivity ..

I had a bug .. had to align screen because it was horrible ... I click somewhere and the result was somewhere else.. really hard to know .. but hopefully.. there is a pad :D

tested OPERA.. but quite nice... and I was in the slowest WIFI mode.. I will test later to see if it is even faster !

I haven't seen anything about swiping .. but .. maybe I missed where and how to do it.

You know that I'm always there for help ... so .. HEY .. I join ! Good news .. isn't it ?

I can help to make a french rom (or the frenchiest (new word :D) possible) and to make alternative skin (don't know who is the designer... but I don't like the skins sorry.. but that's just about different style.. about darkblue and light yellow).

I can help for many and many other things... see you soon !

[bereda]

noonski why dont we come up with a few beta skins ( just photo shoped versions nothing implemented in to the rom ) and have a poll since this is basically a comunity project, one from each good designer??? since this seems to be a hott bed for great designers ands rom chefs and if not start a new thread calling out designers who would like to help

[chihliouma]

Another Nightly with Fixed new Camera Menu. And it has the Office Menu with the older Iconset in the HTCHome Programs tab. (you can clearly see the screen build up). Up swipe at the moment is to switch to the rest of the apps , down swipe is to close Menu's (will also change once i open all the options to reconfigure the Menu to personal needs, but i personally also like the down swipe exit action)
Hope to have Cube implemented with left and right swipes by the end of the week.

http://rapidshare.com/files/129487995/RUU_Signed.zip

We are one member Short of the now renamed Surface Production Crew.

One that can cater a SPeCific Language Group?

I wonder who would like to Join SPC?
koala996 (http://forum.xda-developers.com/member.php?u=613931)?

Hi Noonski, what is the password for this zip file ?

[Noonski]

noonski why dont we come up with a few beta skins ( just photo shoped versions nothing implemented in to the rom ) and have a poll since this is basically a comunity project, one from each good designer??? since this seems to be a hott bed for great designers ands rom chefs and if not start a new thread calling out designers who would like to help

I have already started making a few changes.

I have a feeling there will be new Skin.

It's a good idea, if only to Stimulate.

But not something big or a pole.

well well well... I'm back in the business !

so after a little beta testing .. WOW .. I would have loved Vista to make this impression of speed and responsivity ..

I had a bug .. had to align screen because it was horrible ... I click somewhere and the result was somewhere else.. really hard to know .. but hopefully.. there is a pad :D

tested OPERA.. but quite nice... and I was in the slowest WIFI mode.. I will test later to see if it is even faster !

I haven't seen anything about swiping .. but .. maybe I missed where and how to do it.

You know that I'm always there for help ... so .. HEY .. I join ! Good news .. isn't it ?

I can help to make a french rom (or the frenchiest (new word :D) possible) and to make alternative skin (don't know who is the designer... but I don't like the skins sorry.. but that's just about different style.. about darkblue and light yellow).

I can help for many and many other things... see you soon !

You don't have have welcome.not on the root of your SD card do you?

The only Swipe available is in the Office menu, Up for More ;)

Down for close.

Welcome Back brother, and we are on 2.26 now.

If Only Opera could work from the Windows Folder, that would save some. (That is a Hint)

Switching to AllBlack in next Nightly.

And stop scaring people with your unique bug!

[havocnl]

Another Nightly with Fixed new Camera Menu. And it has the Office Menu with the older Iconset in the HTCHome Programs tab. (you can clearly see the screen build up). Up swipe at the moment is to switch to the rest of the apps , down swipe is to close Menu's (will also change once i open all the options to reconfigure the Menu to personal needs, but i personally also like the down swipe exit action)
Hope to have Cube implemented with left and right swipes by the end of the week.

http://rapidshare.com/files/129487995/RUU_Signed.zip

We are one member Short of the now renamed Surface Production Crew.

One that can cater a SPeCific Language Group?

I wonder who would like to Join SPC?
koala996 (http://forum.xda-developers.com/member.php?u=613931)?
Another nightly... man I keep flashing with you... ;) :D

Noonski, is it an idea to open a new thread? Thread is getting long, and since bram is gone, you can't update the startpost... Might be usefull for posting new nightly's and other stuff?

[koala996]

I have already started making a few changes.

I have a feeling there will be new Skin.

It's a good idea, if only to Stimulate.

But not something big or a pole.



You don't have have welcome.not on the root of your SD card do you?

The only Swipe available is in the Office menu, Up for More ;)

Down for close.

Welcome Back brother, and we are on 2.26 now.

If Only Opera could work from the Windows Folder, that would save some. (That is a Hint)

Switching to AllBlack in next Nightly.

And stop scaring people with your unique bug!

2.26 is the one I already flashed ... isn't it ? (that's what Device Information tells me ..)
"Scaring people"... I'm just here to say everything I see to be sure we will be working on solving EVERYTHING !

AllBlack ... mmmmh that sounds great !!

Well... Opera Opera Opera.... I could try to make it work from Windows Folder .. I don't know if it is possible... but I always like to say that : nothing is impossible ! :D


the idea of a new thread will be great... to put things clear and good screens + explanations

[havocnl]

Okej new nightly results so far:
Where the hell is your office menu???? the office icon in the launcher of the home screen doesn't do anything here... no error... no menu...
Keyboard is once again fucked here... settings can be applied in the keyboard mode, and the keypad using the settings screen. Qwerty does not work. When working keyboard and qwerty work (also correct language T9 on both) by keypad does not show (need a screenshot?)
And why do these keyboard have to be so big... the fill half the screen. (but the work great :))
hmm found something on the keypad... when opening the keypad, you can use a special key once, then i seems to transform into keyboard in the background, but leaves the keypad visuals intact (for 90%). strange behaviour.
Camera menu is nice. The fade-in delay with these menu's start to bug me... can this be removed for speed of work? Also when opening the menu i believe the focus is not set correctly. Sometimes i can use the d-pad to scroll through the menu, other times i cant... I think all menu's should also be controllable easily with the d-pad.
Time settings once again not maintained. Last time i though they were fine, but was connected with ActiveSync which automatically syncs time... Now tested it disconnected from laptop and time and date reverted back... Timezone is saved correctly... Maybe wrong order of saving these items? date-time-zone or zone-date-time? just a thought?
The new volume change screen... was it the intention to change all volume related screens with that? because the default sound thing in the taskbar still has the normal windows implementation of it...

[polac]

what the password of the zip?

[Noonski]

Okej new nightly results so far:

Where the hell is your office menu???? the office icon in the launcher of the home screen doesn't do anything here... no error... no menu...
Keyboard is once again fucked here... settings can be applied in the keyboard mode, and the keypad using the settings screen. Qwerty does not work. When working keyboard and qwerty work (also correct language T9 on both) by keypad does not show (need a screenshot?)
And why do these keyboard have to be so big... the fill half the screen. (but the work great :))
hmm found something on the keypad... when opening the keypad, you can use a special key once, then i seems to transform into keyboard in the background, but leaves the keypad visuals intact (for 90%). strange behaviour.
Camera menu is nice. The fade-in delay with these menu's start to bug me... can this be removed for speed of work? Also when opening the menu i believe the focus is not set correctly. Sometimes i can use the d-pad to scroll through the menu, other times i cant... I think all menu's should also be controllable easily with the d-pad.
Time settings once again not maintained. Last time i though they were fine, but was connected with ActiveSync which automatically syncs time... Now tested it disconnected from laptop and time and date reverted back... Timezone is saved correctly... Maybe wrong order of saving these items? date-time-zone or zone-date-time? just a thought?
The new volume change screen... was it the intention to change all volume related screens with that? because the default sound thing in the taskbar still has the normal windows implementation of it...





(Note To Self, Sleep Some More) If it's not there it will be Sorry, but i'm running a version that's not online. (Screen Below)
Haven't done anything to Keyboard yet at all. It worked in one build and then it stopped in another. It's on the List Trust Me (at least the NL Bug, i can't fix all the languages, BTW NL keyboard won't be in By Default, This is UC Option)I Believe Gullums last version has most fixes, he got from that thread (except for Landscape Keyboards)
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=392197
I'll PM you the Configuration files needed to change the Animation Speed.
(http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=392197)
I will make a Better To Do List. And i Need a Manager that tells me which Things get priority. Time Zone is on My List.
The New Set Volume Set to Slider is made by Marc Landis over at Hacking and development.
He's got adding it to support tapping of Status icon on his To Do List.
He's hopefully taking a little well deserved break at the moment.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=395695
There is a new Thread it's just not Here'.... But yes that would be best to have a new thread with a fixed position for To Do's and Fixed To Do's.


But Tonight i take a break.
http://i230.photobucket.com/albums/ee270/Noonski76/AllWack.jpg
My Current Set Up, I Call It All Wack.

I also tried to replace the 91 key in HKCU\Software\Microsoft\Today\Keys
(or rather add a key) but it did not work.

Who knows how to replace the StartMenu Press?
(just to have it around as a personal option)
Also starting testing Oldfashioned Cube Up Swipe to start Menu.
Downloading new Gullum Oem to be tried later on tonight.
Anoither Nightly wuth Cube Start at Swipe Up

http://rapidshare.com/files/129695409/RUU_Signed.zip

Very Beta a lot to fix up.

[Re-Mi]

Hey People,

Sorry for menot being around much, got a lot of things on my head. (new job don't know if i like it... etc etc ).

But when i got back from a quick holiday in greece (crete) i was quit shocked that Bram has stopped. But Noonski, and Abr.... (sorry don't know your name by head) picked up (and has driven the development almost the whole thread) and i think that deserves A+ Respect.

The pictures, ideas and beta's i've seen are great. (yeah Noonksi your mass PM also didn't reached me so no irl testing)

I wanted to post a whole story but i forgot what i wanted to write :P But a few things i want to make clear as a team member.

I think production of the rom should not stop!
I think we should open a new thread so we can edit the 1st post
I think we should even consider changing the name to get no confusion (don't get me wrong it's no revange to Bram, as he and many other know's i have him very high.. he is one of the people that woke my interest in xda)
And i think a little peace on earth would be great, but that's an other disscussion ;).

But the point of this post is just to let some of you know i still do live..

Alright ... done writing .

Greetz,

[pkoper]

Jeeesus dude.... I thought you got kidnapped and probed by aliens

[havocnl]

And i think a little peace on earth would be great, but that's an other disscussion ;)
AMEN Reverend Re-Mi!!! :eek:

But agree with you on all your other points :)

btw noonski, where is the hidden dev thread???

btw Work day tomorrow and wednesday so no falsh tonight an tomorrow
*Havocnl loves part-time :)

[Noonski]

Jeeesus dude.... I thought you got kidnapped and probed by aliens

That was me around 6000 years ago.

New Thread is voted for then.

Let me take a couple of Days for this.

And yes the Office Link Sucks.
But luckily not somehting to give me headaches

[Piranha1]

Hi Remi welcome back.:)

[kar200]

hi guys,

can we get the password for the ZIP file or are we missing soemthing here?

I think the question has been asked a couple fo times but I could not find an answer to it.

The first beta I downloaded had no password in it but it seems this one has and everyone is avoiding the question.

Thank you.

[Ameet]

Hey People,

Sorry for menot being around much, got a lot of things on my head. (new job don't know if i like it... etc etc ).

But when i got back from a quick holiday in greece (crete) i was quit shocked that Bram has stopped. But Noonski, and Abr.... (sorry don't know your name by head) picked up (and has driven the development almost the whole thread) and i think that deserves A+ Respect.

The pictures, ideas and beta's i've seen are great. (yeah Noonksi your mass PM also didn't reached me so no irl testing)

I wanted to post a whole story but i forgot what i wanted to write :P But a few things i want to make clear as a team member.

I think production of the rom should not stop!
I think we should open a new thread so we can edit the 1st post
I think we should even consider changing the name to get no confusion (don't get me wrong it's no revange to Bram, as he and many other know's i have him very high.. he is one of the people that woke my interest in xda)
And i think a little peace on earth would be great, but that's an other disscussion ;).

But the point of this post is just to let some of you know i still do live..

Alright ... done writing .

Greetz,

hey re-mi.. welcome back :D

[chihliouma]

hi Noonski, what's the pagepool of this beta ROM ? I am trying to use the way of the following thread to change PP into 18M, but I can only find 1 instead of 2 hex stream which match with |03 15 A0 03 | 02 15 A0 13 | 00 10 83 E5 | DA C2 FF EB|, so I am not sure if this method can be applied in your beta ROM. Please advice. Thanks.

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=397938

[Noonski]

hi Noonski, what's the pagepool of this beta ROM ? I am trying to use the way of the following thread to change PP into 18M, but I can only find 1 instead of 2 hex stream which match with |03 15 A0 03 | 02 15 A0 13 | 00 10 83 E5 | DA C2 FF EB|, so I am not sure if this method can be applied in your beta ROM. Please advice. Thanks.

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=397938

I was able to change it for the ELF.
So the default PP for ELFIbn should be 12 MB.

But i can't confirm adress for ELFIN Ameet caN DOUGH.

[Ameet]

I was able to change it for the ELF.
So the default PP for ELFIbn should be 12 MB.

But i can't confirm adress for ELFIN Ameet caN DOUGH.

i hunt for this in my rom after cooking ;) (without quotes)

"03 15 A0 03 02 15 A0 13 00 10 83 E5 DA C2 FF EB" and find 2 instances at start of the hex

[chihliouma]

i hunt for this in my rom after cooking ;) (without quotes)

"03 15 A0 03 02 15 A0 13 00 10 83 E5 DA C2 FF EB" and find 2 instances at start of the hex

My mistake. After re-try, I also can find 2 instead of 1. Now I know how to change the PP. Thanks.

[haarlem2004]

Hi, just downloaded the file, but can't open it (password).So it's not for everyone to try it? grtz :confused:

[Noonski]

So looks like we can both now edit the first post my Brother Ameet ;)

Congrats.

[Ameet]

So looks like we can both now edit the first post my Brother Ameet ;)

Congrats.

OOPS!!! gonna take time adjusting to this promotion :D 2 seconds back i almost edited your post :o (clicked on edit by mistake and was wondering where the quotes were)

ya.. it just occured to me that now we can do the first post. but i'll let u handle that brother, since you are the chief chef of TS ROM ;)

[Noonski]

OOPS!!! gonna take time adjusting to this promotion :D 2 seconds back i almost edited your post :o (clicked on edit by mistake and was wondering where the quotes were)

ya.. it just occured to me that now we can do the first post. but i'll let u handle that brother, since you are the chief chef of TS ROM ;)


And yes i will keep on donating to XDA once in a while even dough I'm Mod.

And i suggest others to do the same once (At least until i have reached my 1000, Euro Goal) ;)

[Ameet]

And yes i will keep on donating to XDA once in a while even dough I'm Mod.

And i suggest others to do the same once (At least until i have reached my 1000, Euro Goal) ;)

Now that surely is a very good message to everyone. Even I am going to do the same. In fact I have already sent in whatever I have received from the UCE ROMs and will keep sending more

[havocnl]

*Havocnl stares and gasps at the power of the two mighty mods working on this ROM :eek: :eek: :D :D

Changed first Post. Let's keep this one open for a little while to discuss if the New Menu Lay out is good enough to keep working on.

[Noonski]

*Havocnl stares and gasps at the power of the two mighty mods working on this ROM

(Noonski Edit)
Changed first Post. Let's keep this one open for a little while to discuss if the New Menu Lay out is good enough to keep working on.

And forgive my NOOB mistakes, like editing your Post instead of Quoting it.


Changed first Post. Let's keep this one open for a little while to discuss if the New Menu Lay out is good enough to keep working on. :D

I personally believe this will really chage the way you experience how you use the device.

Now if only more Apps would be finger friendly.

[havocnl]

And forgive my NOOB mistakes, like editing your Post instead of Quoting it.


Changed first Post. Let's keep this one open for a little while to discuss if the New Menu Lay out is good enough to keep working on. :D

I personally believe this will really chage the way you experience how you use the device.

Now if only more Apps would be finger friendly.
I feel violated.... :p My post privacy is gone ;) Ah your just a n00b :P

But ok lets keep this topic for a while ;)

[Swiftblade]

I just noticed that Noonski was promoted to Moderator and when I come all the way here into this thread, I discovered that Ameet is also promoted to Moderator now! WOW :)

Congratulations to both of you, bros..:D:D I will see you more around and I will behave... keke:p

Cheerio, Swiftblade

[Ameet]

But ok lets keep this topic for a while

i feel this is a good idea.. maybe later noonski can open a new thread and combine them both ;)


I just noticed that Noonski was promoted to Moderator and when I come all the way here into this thread, I discovered that Ameet is also promoted to Moderator now! WOW

Congratulations to both of you, bros.. I will see you more around and I will behave... keke

Cheerio, Swiftblade
:D thanks brother. by the way, did u try ur own 0mb pagepool trick?

Chief rom development:
Noonski

Cooks:
2- ababrekar Out of the Blue became an Porting and XIP Genius
hey noonski.. i like the "Out of the Blue" part ;) i also made up those new UCE concept roms

[Noonski]

i feel this is a good idea.. maybe later noonski can open a new thread and combine them both ;)



:D thanks brother. by the way, did u try ur own 0mb pagepool trick?


hey noonski.. i like the "Out of the Blue" part ;) i also made up those new UCE concept roms


Writing Something Up as it is.

But we still do need to fill up the "Beautifully designed" part of the philosophy.

That is simply a task I'm not up to par with.

What was the last Touch Surface version on?

[Ameet]

Writing Something Up as it is.

But we still do need to fill up the "Beautifull designed" part of the philosophy.

That is simply a task i'm not up to par with.

piranha1 and pkoper re good in graphics :)

[Noonski]

piranha1 and pkoper re good in graphics :)


I was hinting at Surface_ROM.

As he got Bram's Last Diamond Rom SYS and OEM packages, I'm wondering if there's stuff in there that i can base the skinning on.
I could just use the last Surface TSK file but i know that Bram was working on something new, and i hope it's somewhere, or gets donated.

very old Thread ;)
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=236470

So in Keeping with my SPC naming Scheme (from the Beginning of Windows Mobile there's always been a bit of SPC in it)

I Dub Thee "Surface Production Crew"

List will be updated Accordingly in Time.

[ayyu3m]

congrats on becomin a mod. and yep! lookin forward for the SPC productions :D

[Ameet]

I was hinting at Surface_ROM.

As he got Bram's Last Diamond Rom SYS and OEM packages, I'm wondering if there's stuff in there that i can base the skinning on.
I could just use the last Surface TSK file but i know that Bram was working on something new, and i hope it's somewhere, or gets donated.

very old Thread ;)
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=236470

So in Keeping with my SPC naming Scheme (from the Beginning of Windows Mobile there's always been a bit of SPC in it)

I Dub Thee "Surface Production Crew"

List will be updated Accordingly in Time.

oh!! rite :)

i'm sure bram has donated the diamond packs to surface _rom.. :)

SPC it is :)

[havocnl]

Jeezzz noonski how many projects do you have running for yourself?
You definitely need a project manager to guide you ;)

But Surface name remaining or are we going SPC? (don't mind that :) )
What's the idea?

P.S. I could also help in translations (English to Dutch) if you need help ;)

[ayyu3m]

oh!! rite :)

i'm sure bram has donated the diamond packs to surface _rom.. :)

SPC it is :)
woooohoooo, ur a mod too bro...congrats mate.


(Moderated by Noonski, unlawfull use of Moderator Powers, but only because We're all friends here)
Have you tested the Search Plug in in my Sig?
TNX for the TNX

[Noonski]

Jeezzz noonski how many projects do you have running for yourself?
You definitely need a project manager to guide you ;)

But Surface name remaining or are we going SPC? (don't mind that :) )
What's the idea?

P.S. I could also help in translations (English to Dutch) if you need help ;)

Damn did i post that about Needing A Project Manager?
Or did you read my Mind?

I only have one Project.

But i was indeed really thinking about a project manager.

Someone that doesn't cook and Flash like an idiot like some of us.
So Ameet you are out of the run for the position as you Have a cooking frenzy, even thought you have the experience for the job.
I always like Football Jargon like, Always position your players where they are performing best.
And mine is not sitting back and taking it easy, i'm a jumper i start doing and trying stuff.
My Desktop is like a nutty professors lab and sometimes i misplace an arm and i create a Frankenstein.

Someone that can give me a little Slap on the head some times but does not get Veto on decisions.

It's a lousy job with a very bad pay.

And you get to manage a bunch of Grown ups acting like kids doing all sorts of experiments that might someday blow up the world.

I don't know who's crazy enough to take on such responsibility.


At the moment i'm happy relaxing my head for a day.

Surface Rom is a Go It is Still Called The Surface.
It's just the grown up, prettier brother of the crazy, younger, experimenting Brother.

Hey can someone call me i can't find my Phone?

[Ameet]

Someone that doesn't cook and Flash like an idiot like some of us.
So Ameet you are out of the run for the position as you Have a cooking frenzy, even thought you have the experience for the job.
I always like Football Jargon like, Always position your players where they are performing best.
And mine is not sitting back and taking it easy, i'm a jumper i start doing and trying stuff.
My Desktop is like a nutty professors lab and sometimes i misplace an arm and i create a Frankenstein.

:D lol.. honored to know atleast u thought of me for the job :D

dont wanna lose an arm n become one Frankenstein from the lab ;)

[Noonski]

So what do you think guy, now that we're taking a little break.


Should i continue and finish the New Menu?

Or stick with the classic one?

[Ameet]

So what do you think guy, now that we're taking a little break.


Should i continue and finish the New Menu?

Or stick with the classic one?

i vote for "finish the new menu" option

what say havoc?

[Re-Mi]

So what do you think guy, now that we're taking a little break.


Should i continue and finish the New Menu?

Or stick with the classic one?

F#ck,,,, i only can quote :P .... it's a hard and cold world...

But i think the new menu has potentials, at least nobody can say it's not refreshing.. i think it's something people have to take the time and get used to it.. (as do i)

For me personal i'm a "ribbon" fan, just a slick ribbon in the lower part of the screen that has customizable shortcuts etc but that's all been done before (even if they are mem consuming)

So i say go for the new menu style, make slick drawing or at least let someone make a slick "complete" menu. (Make it multi touchflow like (i think you already described it somewhere))

Greetz.

[Noonski]

F#ck,,,, i only can quote :P .... it's a hard and cold world...

But i think the new menu has potentials, at least nobody can say it's not refreshing.. i think it's something people have to take the time and get used to it.. (as do i)

For me personal i'm a "ribbon" fan, just a slick ribbon in the lower part of the screen that has customizable shortcuts etc but that's all been done before (even if they are mem consuming)

So i say go for the new menu style, make slick drawing or at least let someone make a slick "complete" menu. (Make it multi touchflow like (i think you already described it somewhere))

Greetz.


Hmm if only i could find that font CStewart used for the Touch Part.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=99541&stc=1&d=1216158763
Slide the Touch a little to the left and also the Surface. (Just some Mock upps nothing Final or perfect)

BTW the menu can also be implented as a in the Home screen with Buttons.
But as there's enough Menu space in th Programs Tab in HTC Home.. i thought.

Honoustly i will give credit to the guy that made the software driving it.

Making the Menu Complete is something i'm braking my head over.
What goes where so it all fits logicly.
Finding the Icons is a not the hardest part, so any 32x32 PNG icons with transparency can do.


Well the first flash of the night and the last will be the original Surface.
Hmm nope not the Surface Rom i was looking for.
Gha first thing it did was stay Closed after flashing nearly gave me a heartattack. Pfew, that's been a while.

Going to take out some of Bram's graphics of his last Touch Rom and see if there's something to play with.

Because This is still the long awaited WM6.1 version of his Touch Dual Rom, see if i can evolve it a bit.

[surface_rom]

Hmm if only i could find that font CStewart used for the Touch Part.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=99541&stc=1&d=1216158763
Slide the Touch a little to the left and also the Surface.

BTW the menu can also be implented as a in the Home screen with Buttons.
But as there's enough Menu space in th Programs Tab in HTC Home.. i thought.

Honoustly i will give credit to the guy that made the software driving it.

Making the Menu Complete is something i'm braking my head over.
What goes where so it all fits logicly.
Finding the Icons is a not the hardest part, so any 32x32 PNG icons with transparency can do.

Well the first flash of the night and the last will be the original Surface.

Hey noonski!

I think we must keep it in the style of the diamond surface rom, for consistency reasons.
Like, people recognise the roms by it style.
Since i have access to the surface kitchen ill post the graphics on the server in one oem pack.

i only must make myself a htc home graphic set in surface style.
Then i can skin up the new menu style of you noon!
if you can send me your menu package, i can start right away.b

now im going to sleep.
nightynight you guys, sleep well and dream about touching your touch. :p

[Noonski]

Hey noonski!

I think we must keep it in the style of the diamond surface rom, for consistency reasons.
Like, people recognise the roms by it style.
Since i have access to the surface kitchen ill post the graphics on the server in one oem pack.

i only must make myself a htc home graphic set in surface style.
Then i can skin up the new menu style of you noon!
if you can send me your menu package, i can start right away.b

now im going to sleep.
nightynight you guys, sleep well and dream about touching your touch. :p
Okay so there are some graphics left over to play with.

Like, people recognise the roms by it style.
That's exactly why i thought taking some of the Touch Dual style Graphics was the thing to go for. A lot of people where very anxious for a follow up.

I haven't seen the Diamond version so i didn't know what he changed since last.

The menu Package is in the Sys folder and is called OEM something.

Editing the menu's i can PM.

You don't need to skin the Menu.
It is skinned by the Theme.

As for the icons it will need a set of 40 Something.

I'll Upload a small package to the Working_Folder called Menu Skin you can see it's very basic but based on the HTCHome Background.

I tested it to be as compatible as possible with different Backdrops.

But you propably have read up on this thread.

Pfwew nice to hear i can Keep the Surface Rom the Surface Rom.
Because is specifcly want to make the Triple Darkness Rom as a separate one.

http://cdbaby.com/cd/krino15

Uploaded Files to edit and make new Menu's to FTP Working_Folder.

Theoreticly even changing a setting could be done with Submenu's but that's a life job of replacing the whole Windows Mobile Structure i'm not getting into.

This all depends on the creativity of others from the coming months and on how the concept is received.
So that's another vote for the Menu's then.
Can't use my door to draw on, some Astro Theologist. scribled some latin on it and some weird names like Shamash.

[havocnl]

i vote for "finish the new menu" option

what say havoc?

I like the new style, and also functional in use, so not bothering me like some others....
I say go!

BTW the menu can also be implented as a in the Home screen with Buttons.
But as there's enough Menu space in th Programs Tab in HTC Home.. i thought.
I smell a low memory home screen replacement? Or shall we not replace a perfectly working thing??

BTW great to hear that surface_rom is gonna help with the visual part ;)

[Noonski]

I like the new style, and also functional in use, so not bothering me like some others....
I say go!


I smell a low memory home screen replacement? Or shall we not replace a perfectly working thing??

BTW great to hear that surface_rom is gonna help with the visual part ;)

Well it's not that great a use as a Homescreen plug in.

And yes maybe replacing some of the Buttons on the Programs tab mean an extra tap, in overal apps should still be reached fairly fast.

Updated First Threads A Bit.

Ameet? can i use your old application post for the ToDo list?
Or maybe you can Add it yourself.
PM me about Mistakes.
(Still need to remove Catalog from Rom)(removed)

Yesyes And a new Nightly To...

Again trying something very simple That you rarely see, i just need to try this out.

I'm moving the Welcome Exe to second boot after the Autorun.

Who knows if this works it might clear out the Time Zone settings resetting:D
(didn't work, had to find out the hard way)

Nightly Coming up that allows Editing of Menu's

[Noonski]

A Little Bump,..

Because there's a new Feature.

I'm really sorry for DotFred about this.

Since Pim.Vol holds all your Contact information and Calender.
I figure another .vol prolly holds your messages

Now Pim Back up is unmissable but if indeed Messages are in another .vol file.

Having PimBackup up is redundant with Mortscript in Rom.

Nothing genius about this script.


Basicly you have two script around 3kb.
ONE to copy PIM.Vol to a Back Up folder on SD (for those that don't know the easier UC Method)

Another one to take of ReadONly Atribute from Pim.vol in rom, Then rename it to Pim2.vol, then copies Pim.vol from Storage to Rom, Then copies another small 1k Scriptx to start Up folder, Waits for ten seconds, then resets the phone, Phone rebootes Executes ScriptX that deletes the old Pim2.vol and deletes itself from Start up.

Hey who needs proper Applications.

It's a lot faster as it does not have to compress and make a differently structured file. And all you need to do is press a button with your Finger instead of Stylus?

But i will keep PimBackup in rom as flashing to another rom then leaves you without this functionality. But who knows maybe Cooks and users start liking this method.

And maybe i'm a goofball again and Backup of messages isn't as easy as i'd wish it to be.


Request
Who's up for the challenge of creating a CommManager/Endkey replacement using the menu system Using
http://www.vijay555.com/?Releases:VJVolubilis
??

Just for fun, as making it also Show the Off states Would reguire some Multiple Variations and some mortscript to rename them. (Heck VJVolubilis could be dropped completly, but that would mean a lot of Mortscript knowledge and digging)
So it's not an easy Job.
But it would also Prove that every function can be replaced Using the Menu. (Which it can Every thing can theoretically be replaced with New Menu)

[havocnl]

Damn noonski you keep having these really great ideas (that keep changing everything ;)) Ever heard of a a feature-lock ;) maybe a good idea at some point (not now) for the ROM development to keep you in bounds and make sure we reach a final version sometimes.

But on the PIM Backup thing, I don't like your method because:
I have a really weird setup with my data of contacts/appointments/sms etc
I sync my contacts with outlook (auto) and my appointments also. But my appointments are synched from my outlook to my google calender (GooSync).
When I simply restore the appointments to my phone (which according to you are in the same file as the contacts) these will overwrite my outlook appointments (or change some id's) and my google calender doesn't seem to understand them.
So when flashing a new rom I use PIM Backup to restore my SMS/speeddails and i use outlook the restore my contacts and appointments.
Pfieuw that was a long explenation....

I'm going to bed... not feeling that well last couple of days... stomach problems... annoying... :(

Maybe gonna flash a new nightly tomorrow.

[Noonski]

Damn noonski you keep having these really great ideas (that keep changing everything ;)) Ever heard of a a feature-lock ;) maybe a good idea at some point (not now) for the ROM development to keep you in bounds and make sure we reach a final version sometimes.

But on the PIM Backup thing, I don't like your method because:
I have a really weird setup with my data of contacts/appointments/sms etc
I sync my contacts with outlook (auto) and my appointments also. But my appointments are synched from my outlook to my google calender (GooSync).
When I simply restore the appointments to my phone (which according to you are in the same file as the contacts) these will overwrite my outlook appointments (or change some id's) and my google calender doesn't seem to understand them.
So when flashing a new rom I use PIM Backup to restore my SMS/speeddails and i use outlook the restore my contacts and appointments.
Pfieuw that was a long explenation....

I'm going to bed... not feeling that well last couple of days... stomach problems... annoying... :(

Maybe gonna flash a new nightly tomorrow.

Points taken.

That's why i'm pointing out that i'm not going to make the CoMManager myself and it's not a PreReq for the Rom.

As for The Pim Backup up i also had some doubts in the matter of people accidentally overwriting their Pim with an Empty one.
Even thought Building in a Confirmation Dialog wouldn't be that hard.
It would need a script that would grab Date and Time To Name the Backup.
And then A Selection box for which Backup to put back, to make it perfect.
To advanced Script for me to build.
Pim Idea Placed in The Fridge.

Sleep well Hope you feel better.

Edit:
In the Mean time I solved the Date issue.
By Cheating, Windows Setup now runs AFTER Autorun Reboot.
Not Before.
In a normal world you setup Your device AFTER the setup has Completed.
Not before the Device goes on installing some more stuff then reboots again.
Very Small detail to some but big detail to me.

Guys who'ss run into the WMP not playing .3gp .avi or .mp4 files "Source Filter for this file could not be loaded"
Hope this has been solved somewhere.

I never play video and din't bother to fix this because i used TCPMP anyway.
But is this fixable?
Replace WMP Completly with the HTC Video Player?
Biggest Question who's seen info on this.

Working right now so i can't fully research.
This might be because of a conflict with new but htctouchp mentioned new camera was working.

Might be an easy one might be an hard one.
Bug found By Koala996

[havocnl]

Edit:
In the Mean time I solved the Date issue.
By Cheating, Windows Setup now runs AFTER Autorun Reboot.
Not Before.
In a normal world you setup Your device AFTER the setup has Completed.
Not before the Device goes on installing some more stuff then reboots again.
Very Small detail to some but big detail to me.

Great to see this thing worked out! one bug down, more to go ;)

[Noonski]

Great to see this thing worked out! one bug down, more to go ;)


Replaced Total Commander with uncompressed version.
Stability VS Size.
Stability wins.

Just flashed
http://rapidshare.com/files/116795839/RUU_Elf_DOPODASIA_WWE_1.17.707.2G_4.1.13.46_02.97. 90_GREEN_Ship.exe
To help out with
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=408637

Compared to a Stock rom with Ext_Rom we still have around 17 MB more Storage in the Rom Considering what's going in that's acceptable. And Program Memory is still around 1.8MB more then stock so also good (8mbPP)

Finished Testing 1.17 USPL

Back to latest Nightly. http://rapidshare.com/files/130772928/RUU_Signed.zip
This is the one that allows Changing of Menu's (not the hardware button Menu's though, unless your creative ;))
Also has Total Commander uncompressed and new Welcome Trick.

Initflash files copy a welcome.yes to welcome.not (this is so the welcome.not can be removed as it's a File that's copied during fileoperations in first boot and therefore can be deleted)

Then added delete command to the script that runs at second boot.

Then further on in the script that runs at second boot after deleting welcome.not there's a
RunWait( "\Windows\welcome.exe" )

[enriqueluis]

when will you have this final version?..can't wait

[Noonski]

when will you have this final version?..can't wait


Well the WMP bug is taking me days to solve and still not solved.

Unless i include TCMPM, but that's cheating.

[nomik2]

Is pimbackup there in these nightly builds? I am going to start trying these builds just want to make sure I have my contacts with me at all times. I'll start with the next nightly. Also, this is for the elfin right? And, you can count me in as a beta tester.

[havocnl]

(Mod Edit: By The Power Of Mod Edit, I Am He Mod!)
Well the WMP bug is taking me days to solve and still not solved.

Unless i include TCMPM, but that's cheating.

Noonski been using the 61 build nightly for couple of days now and found a few things:

Can we skin the calculator??? I hate the old white skin... (Off Course Dude)
Recorded video from the camera (video mode) can't be played in media player (error: The source filter for this file could not be loaded.) Is this the WMP bug your working on? (Yup Koala Found It)
New one... Also recorded audio (recording.amr) gets the same error in WMP. Recorded it for sending in MMS. Hmm also ding.amr can't be played.... (Ding.amr is out)


Gonna flash the latest nightly (63 right?) now.

Still kind of tired from last night... With a group of friends we went to the "Roze Maandag" (Pink Monday) of the "Tilburgse Kermis" (Tilburg Street Fair), the day where half of gay holland shows up all dressed to walk over the Kermis to show themselves and go on all the rides. One big party with straight, gay, bisexual people. In my opinion (yes I am from Tilburg) it is more fun then the gay parade in Amsterdam ;)) Our group had people with all sexual preferences. Long day, but what a party it was :) Trying to get rid of all the alcohol in my blood, and my girlfriend was complaining about the alcohol smell I still have on me :D So maybe a nice shower is a good idea. :D

[Noonski]

I'm at the point of murdering my Touch.

Or there's something terribly wrong with my Vista machine. (defntly)

[whazzzup]

I'm at the point of murdering my Touch.

Or there's something terribly wrong with my Vista machine. (defntly)

VISTA obvious :o

[havocnl]

I'm at the point of murdering my Touch.

Or there's something terribly wrong with my Vista machine. (defntly)

Watch your blood pressure man!!.... take a break, take a beer!
Vista... hmmm shouldn't be a problem, but since some drivers aren't fully ready...

But some new comment or question for the ROM:

The home screen, I have BattStatus on top, then htc home, and on the bottom my appointments. Sometimes my appointments are that many that it takes more space then available. Then a scroll-bar appears... across the entire screen.... I seem to remember that in previous ROMs the scrollbar was only visible for the appointments part of the home screen...
Visually I like a more clean black background, but the all white icons I don't like ;) The green/yellow from previous versions should be there if you ask me. Black mixed with all colors :)
And also the new menu's, in this new black version the focus of the menu's isn't visible because they are both black, for people (like me) who use the d-pad to browse through the menu's this is a bit of an annoyance.

Okej I'm done complaining for today :) Sleep well :)