HTC Touch Diamond VS HTC Raphael

[jcasplinter]

Since I just found out there will be another phone called the HTC Raphael I'm in doubt which one to buy.

I haven't seen real clear pictures yet of the Raphael, but the specs I really like so far compared to the Diamond. microSD slot, a qwerty keyboard, and a tv-out.
Yes, it does not have a 4gb internal drive, but thats where the microSD slot comes in handy, which i prefer.

Being used to using the qtek9000 I really like the keyboard.

For the rest I assume it will have the same neat functions as the Diamond, like muting when you turn it up side down, the stylus things when you take it out, the touchflo, etc. If this is all exactly the same as the diamond I'll definitely go for the Raphael.

What do you guys think about it? Something I haven't thought of maybe...?

It does look a little square on the pics, but i can live with that.

[AbuHumaid]

HTC Raphael = HTC Touch Pro


http://pocketnow.com/html/portal/news/0000005397/NewsImage/raphael.jpg



Windows Mobile 6.1 Professional
Qualcomm MSM 7201A @ 528MHz
512MB ROM / 256MB RAM
7.2MB HSDPA / HSUPA (rev A EVDO for Sprint versions)
2.8" VGA screen
WiFi
Bluetooth 2.0 with EDR
eGPS
3.1MP Camera with flash
Forward facing camera
TV out
Orientation sensor (a-la-iPhone)
FM Radio
microSD expansion
1350mAh battery
Raphael: 51x99x17mm




See the Underline features ..


The Winner is HTC Raphael ;)

[jcasplinter]

Ah i see... well this looks a lot better than the picture I come across all the time, like on this website

http://www.engadget.com/2008/04/23/htcs-raphael-and-diamond-coming-to-sprint-and-looking-good/

But I didnt know about the flash and the better battery. Its getting better and better... :):)

[athanaso77]

The Winner is HTC Raphael ;)

This is MDA Vario IV and not HTC Raphael which is announced to have different specifications.

[AbuHumaid]

This is MDA Vario IV and not HTC Raphael which is announced to have different specifications.


Yes in the pic its MDA Vario IV ..

but the HTC Raphael have the same specifications and the same look too ..

[haobe]

It'll have a huge downside however (at least for some...) - bigger size (almost twice as thick), weight and price. The specs are promising, practically the same as xperia, but still i'm going for smaller diamond.

[jcasplinter]

It'll have a huge downside however (at least for some...) - bigger size (almost twice as thick), weight and price. The specs are promising, practically the same as xperia, but still i'm going for smaller diamond.

From gsmhelpdesk (http://www.gsmhelpdesk.nl/en/specs.php?id=2522) I get the following sizes (if they are correct):

Diamond:
102 x 51 x 12 millimeters

T-Mobile MDA Vario IV
103 x 52 x 18 millimeters

Its almost the same size and only 6 mm thicker. WIth the advantages of a keyboard I dont mind that at all personally....

What do you know about the price difference so far? Is this one really that much more expensive?

[haobe]

Its almost the same size and only 6 mm thicker. WIth the advantages of a keyboard I dont mind that at all personally....

What do you know about the price difference so far? Is this one really that much more expensive?

For me those 6mm make a huge difference, but of course it's not as huge as some WM devices. My phone sits always in the front pocket of the trousers. Currently i've got SE k750i which is 18-20mm thick which is quite annoying, and that's why i haven't bought any device with WM so far.

So in general, it really depends. If you don't mind the size so much, because 18mm isn't a disaster, raphael should be a lot better. The price difference i assume (but I've no real knowledge) will be approx the same as between touch and touch dual, so also not so big.

However I'm looking for a small, light phone with WM to do some additional work occasionaly. 4gb storage, on screen keyboard and 1-2 day battery file suits me completely :) The only thing i'll really miss is the flash light.

[blackkeyz]

it looks nice and everything,but maybe i`m the only one who dislikes the talk and end talk keys on the phone.i think they should take up less space so the screen could be a bit bigger.just like the mogul 9 darn keys on the front that they could`ve made smaller,and could`ve did away with the grey linen to make it even wider.

[imranbashir_uk]

I’m not denying that for some people size is the most important factor so they will obviously go for the Touch Diamond (MDA Compact IV).

But if you just take a step back and look at the size comparisons, and compare the HTC Raphael (MDA Vario IV) with a couple of the most popular candy bar style phones at the moment that people are carrying and it doesn’t look to bad.

HTC Raphael (MDA Vario IV) 103 x 52 x 18 mm
HTC Kaiser (HTC TyTN II) 112 x 59 x 19 mm
Nokia N95 8GB 99 x 53 x 21 mm
Sony Ericsson K850i 102 x 48 x 17 mm

I know I’m not comparing windows mobile devices here. But what I am comparing is the sizes of phones people are willing to carry around for additional functionally. For people moving over from the Nokia N95 8GB, the K850i, and the HTC Kaiser (HTC TyTN II), the size of the HTC Raphael will be comparable to what they already had. This decision will be different for everyone. So some will end up with the Diamond, and some will end up with the Raphael.

[haobe]

And that's exactly the beauty of having the choice :) It'd be nicer if both phones be available at the same date, but that's another story.

Blackkeyz - the larger lcd - the wider the phone. It could be larger only vertically, but that would mean another aspect ratio, screen resolution, more pixels, more power etc and in fact too little space for the keys below, so it would be larger anyway (like xperia). I believe that the main design principle in this phone is the size and the looks, with many sacrifices for that.

[imranbashir_uk]

it looks nice and everything,but maybe i`m the only one who dislikes the talk and end talk keys on the phone.i think they should take up less space so the screen could be a bit bigger.just like the mogul 9 darn keys on the front that they could`ve made smaller,and could`ve did away with the grey linen to make it even wider.

You might want to go and have a look at the Samsung SGH-i900. Like someone else said, the aspect ratio changes and as such, you might end up with compatibility issues with legacy software.

http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=specs&id=1039

[Pawel062]

no one ever mentions that the raphael will have the tilt display like the kaiser does.

[SorcererJP]

I'm used to the keyboard with my Hermes. So I think I might miss it with my ordered Diamond. Still I do not cancel this order and wait for the Raphael...the slim design and touch flow make it a tempting device and the keyboard is usefull, but i think i'll get use to none soon..after all, have been without it for years...

An SD-slot? Wll, 4gb is enough for me. Have worked with 512mb in my Hermes for over a year and a half. Now it's loaded with a 2GB card, which is far from being filled up...

Besides, when my contract ends in 2 years, there will be the same dillema probably...

[Dark Fire]

Yeah, I was all up for buying the biggest card possible when I got my Touch, but I didn't, and I've subsequently discovered that the included 1GB card is more than enough for me. 4GB is plenty...

[jcasplinter]

no one ever mentions that the raphael will have the tilt display like the kaiser does.

tilt display? What does that mean. The screen is the same as the diamond isnt it?! :confused:

About the storage, it's different for me. Using GPS, listening to music, and using the Tv-out for playing movies (if that goes smooth) ill end up having a lot of data on my card. So I'll definitely need a 8gb microSD or even bigger if possible for this one. But thats just me :)

[webvan]

no one ever mentions that the raphael will have the tilt display like the kaiser does.
Are you sure ? Doesn't look like it based on the pics.

HTC Raphael (MDA Vario IV) 103 x 52 x 18 mm - 158 grams
HTC Kaiser (HTC TyTN II) 112 x 59 x 19 mm - 190 grams
HTC Diamond : 102 x 51 x 12 millimeters - 110 grams

And here is the HTC Touch Dual for good measure :
107 mm X 55 mm X 15,8 mm - 120 grams

I have both the TD and the Kaiser and there is a HUGE difference in "portability", you can lose the TD in your pocket, not so with the Kaiser and I'm afraid it's going to be the same problem with the Raphael, although the 158 grams might help a bit.

Actually now that I'm used to TouchPal, I can probably do without a full keyboard, a phone keypad is very useful though, we need a Diamondized Touch Dual !

[mean-machine]

The screen is the same as Diamond's (VGA), but it's got the same or similar display housing which enables you to tilt the screen...

[webvan]

Source ? Have you seen pictures of the screen tilted ?

[florinet4]

knows anyone witch is the aprox releasing date of Raphael?

[arifhanid]

The only dates publicly available state Q2 - however if you look at this site (http://www.trustedreviews.com/mobile-devices/news/2008/05/29/T-Mobile-Vario-IV-Unveiled/p1)there a mention of someone who contacted T-Mobile and was told Q3 (possibly as late as November) :(

I'm out of contract and have got my fingers crossed for a Q2 launch !

[SecureGSM]

If Rafael launched now or in next few months, then it will undermine sales for Diamond. Q3 sounds reasonable.

[Rudegar]

they may release it to compeat with x1 when thats released thats in Q4 so Q3 or 4 sounds likely

[arifhanid]

I think we're definitely looking at a late summer/early autumn release for the Vario IV
This source seems to be pretty reliable - theunwired.net (http://www.theunwired.net/?item=exclusive-t-mobile-confirms-mda-vario-iv-specs-and-unveils-more-information-update&category=02-pocket-pc-news)

There's also mention that the micro-SD slot will be available and the keyboard will only slide out (no tilt)

[webvan]

No tilt makes sense, as that mechanisme adds quite a bit of bulk and at the end of the day it's not that useful or convenient.

[jamijam]

I think the TyTn II is actually 20mm or so. That is what I own at the moment.

So we have:
- TyTn I approx 22mm
- TyTn II approx 20mm
- TyTn III approx 18mm

I can still understand the value of having an 11mm phone (iphone/diamond) but as a keyboard-fan I am excited that HTC is working on cutting down the fat each generation.

If they get it down to 15mm then I think a lot people will opt to have a keyboard over a slicker 10-12mm device.

We also get the VGA screen this time around. They do JUST enough to make me upgrade each year. Bastards!

The other thing they need to do is make the screen cover the entire front and get rid of the hardware buttons, since we have the full keyboard anyway when we want the tactile experience.

J.

[jamijam]

I'm not sure I understand the need for the dedicated number row though. That must have some effect on the average size of each key, and the current Fn+numeric-pad set-up worked just fine for me!

[someone1234]

At 103 x 52 x 18 (17?) mm, 158 g , its too much volume and weight for my pocket - it would stick out of my jeans. Like you say if it got down to 14/15mm i'd probably go for it.

It all depends what you need tho.

[webvan]

What I'd like is an Diamond version of the Touch Dual, the keypad is super useful !

[Cyrus Kourosh]

You are right... 15mm will be just perfect
The evolution at the moment is not that huge...

TyTN 113 x 58 x 22 mm & 176 g
TyTNII 112 x 59 x 19 mm & 190 g
TyTNIII 103 x 52 x 18 mm & 158 g

If you refer to the Keyboard less devices:

Trinity 108 x 58 x 18.4 mm & 150 g
Polaris 110 x 58 x 15.5 mm & 130 g
Diamond 102 x 51 x 11.5 mm & 100 g

[Cyrus Kourosh]

What I'd like is an Diamond version of the Touch Dual, the keypad is super useful !
It shoud come with the rest too.
It seems that it will be the HTC Touch Pro Dual (HTC Titanium).

I hope it will not be as thick as the Raphael :confused:

[at10ti0n]

i have a question to owners of diamond: does it have the touch screen bug? if u keep the stylus/finger pressed on screen and u do some 3d/2d graphics test, does it slow it down or not?
this bug comes from way back... though older devices dont seem to have it..

[King of Rapture™]

The Raphael and Vario are not the same! :)

The Vario has better specs than Raphael. Check them out.

Details are as below

http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=specs&id=1320&view=1
http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=specs&id=1306&view=1

KOR! :)

[rorydaredkign]

like i said in the other thread, the raphael specs are old, from a press release sheet or something similar in march. the similar sheet for the diamond said it had 128 ram, wheras it now has 192 ram.
so i think its fair to assume vario 3=raphael

[King of Rapture™]

like i said in the other thread, the raphael specs are old, from a press release sheet or something similar in march. the similar sheet for the diamond said it had 128 ram, wheras it now has 192 ram.
so i think its fair to assume vario 3=raphael

The Vario has:

Double the ROM from 256mb to 512mb
and the RAM from 196mb to 256mb

KOR! :)

[rorydaredkign]

youre posting the same in 2 threads...
and above when ive said vario 3 i meant 4
look here
http://www.modaco.com/ post 2 on the homepage
"The HTC Raphael is now official, courtesy of T-Mobile as the MDA Vario IV"

[King of Rapture™]

Don't be hasty my friend! :D

I am just pointing out the Raphael specs for ROM and RAM as posted earlier were as same as Diamond.

Where it is confirmed that the Vario will have:

Double the ROM from 256mb to 512mb
and the RAM from 196mb to 256mb

KOR! :)

[rorydaredkign]

i think thats probably because the x1 got that upgrade too.
they realised they should upgrade their own device's internals if theyre doing it for SE

[King of Rapture™]

As far as I am concerned, I love the specs of Vario, which has double the ROM from 256mb to 512mb and the RAM from 196mb to 256mb. It also has a SD slot instead of internal memory of 4GB.

But having said, I don't like the slide out keyboard with the added thickness of about 6 to 7 mm.

Would be nice if the Diamond is offered with ROM 512, RAM 256 and with a SD slot.

Give about 4 months and we will see a Diamond PRO with the above specs! :)

KOR! :)

P.S. Maybe, the GSM 850 band!:)

[rorydaredkign]

i think the htc version of the vario 4 is the diamond pro, well thats what was originally said anyway.i dont care about size, ive had a tytn, a touch and an athena, all randomly different sizes, so its evident i dont care much.
il probably end up with a diamond and diamond pro

[nahguam]

You are right... 15mm will be just perfect
The evolution at the moment is not that huge...

TyTN 113 x 58 x 22 mm & 176 g
TyTNII 112 x 59 x 19 mm & 190 g
TyTNIII 103 x 52 x 18 mm & 158 g

If you refer to the Keyboard less devices:

Trinity 108 x 58 x 18.4 mm & 150 g
Polaris 110 x 58 x 15.5 mm & 130 g
Diamond 102 x 51 x 11.5 mm & 100 g

Well, my previous phone was the TyTN I and I currently have the Polaris. The TyTN was definitely far too heavy and bulky for jeans and impossible to pocket in suit trousers. I had to use the belt clip which made me look like a complete geek (I am a geek but I'd prefer not to present that image :D )

The polaris, on the other hand, is very pocket-able indeed. Light and slim. I'm sure I could forgive 1.5mm depth and 30g more weight to get a keyboard back :) I'm afraid the diamond is out of the question for me - I have over 4GB of music, let alone other files, so I need the SD slot.

I'm out of contract so roll-on Vario IV release!

[jcasplinter]

The Raphael and Vario are not the same! :)

The Vario has better specs than Raphael. Check them out.

Details are as below

http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=specs&id=1320&view=1
http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=specs&id=1306&view=1

KOR! :)

Kinda weird that it states this for the VARIO:

Multimedia Telecommunication
Analog TV: Not supported
Analog Radio: Not supported


I does have a radio doesnt it!? :confused:

[steph33]

HTC Raphael will be tilted like tytn II?????

[webvan]

No

Touch Pro now official : http://www.htc.com/www/product.aspx?id=49524

Dimensions : 102 mm (L) X 51 mm (W) X 18.05 mm (T)
Weight 165 g (with battery)

- So heavier than we thought, really close to the TyTn II now, so too heavy to use a phone IMHO.

[Cyrus Kourosh]

Well, my previous phone was the TyTN I and I currently have the Polaris. The TyTN was definitely far too heavy and bulky for jeans and impossible to pocket in suit trousers. I had to use the belt clip which made me look like a complete geek (I am a geek but I'd prefer not to present that image :D )

The polaris, on the other hand, is very pocket-able indeed. Light and slim. I'm sure I could forgive 1.5mm depth and 30g more weight to get a keyboard back :) I'm afraid the diamond is out of the question for me - I have over 4GB of music, let alone other files, so I need the SD slot.

I'm out of contract so roll-on Vario IV release!

I have a Trinity... and actually it has the same thikness as the Raphael.
I am still hesitating. I have to have both devices on my hand to decide :D

Keyboard, SD, and moe RAM and ROM on one side
And a sexy thin device on the other side :cool:

[demonizator]

I will definitely wait for the Pro:

Keyboard, SD, more RAM and ROM...

And I would definitely add bigger battery to that. All that in just 18mm. Man, it's the size of my current N73.

:rolleyes:

I just hate them for that two months delay, they should have announced them together. I was so desperately waiting for the new HTC device, now I have to wait even more.

:(

[Flexer]

For all those who didn't see it yet..
HTC has the Raphael (HTC Pro) on their website!
Some rally nice images, and the full specs..
Now that's one device I want more than the Diamond! =)
http://www.htc.com/www/product.aspx?id=49518

[Someone Walkin']

The Raphael and Vario are not the same! :)

The Vario has better specs than Raphael. Check them out.

Details are as below

http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=specs&id=1320&view=1
http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=specs&id=1306&view=1

KOR! :)

Umm... did you actually READ the links you posted?

VARIO

Brand: T-Mobile
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Manufacturer: High Tech Computer
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Project Codename: HTC Raphael
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Release Date: August, 2008
Predecessor Model: T-Mobile MDA Vario III
Physical Attributes
Dimensions
(width x height x depth): 51 x 102 x 18.05 millimetres
2 x 4 x 0.7 inches
Bounding Volume: 93.9 cubecentimetres
Mass: 165 grams (battery included)
Software Environment
Embedded Operating System: Microsoft Windows Mobile 6.1 Professional
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Operating System Kernel: 5.2
Microprocessor, Chipset
CPU: Qualcomm MSM7201A
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Width of Machine Word: 32 bit
CPU Clock: 528 MHz
CPU Core: ARM1136EJ-S
Instruction Set: ARMv6
Memory, Storage capacity
ROM type: Flash EEPROM
ROM capacity: 512 MB
RAM type: DDR SDRAM
RAM capacity: 288 MB
Hard Disk capacity: Not supported
Graphical subsystem
Display Type: color transflective TFT
Display Color Depth: 16 bit/pixel (65536 scales)
Display Resolution: 480 x 640 (307200 pixel)
Display Diagonal: 2.8 " (72 millimetres)
Viewable Area: 1.7" x 2.3" (43.2 x 57.6 millimetres)
Dot Pitch: 0.09 millimetre/pixel
Audio Subsystem
Audio Channel(s): stereo sound
Analog/Digital Converter
(Recording): 16 bit quantization (nominal)
44100 Hz sampling frequency
Digital/Analog Converter
(Playing): 16 bit resolution
44100 Hz holding frequency
Microphone: mono
Speaker: 1 loudspeaker (mono)
Audio Output: Proprietary plug
Cellular Phone
Cellular Networks: GSM900, GSM1800, GSM1900, UMTS900, UMTS2100
Cellular Data Link: CSD, GPRS, EDGE, UMTS, HSDPA
Cellular Antenna: Internal
Call Alert: 40 -chord melody (polyphonic)
Vibrating Alert: Supported
Speakerphone : Supported
Phone Controller (DSP): Qualcomm MSM7201A (QDSP4000, QDSP5000)
Control Peripherals
Positioning Device: Touchscreen
Primary Keyboard: Slide-out QWERTY-type keyboard, 57 keys
Primary Keyboard Backlight: Automatic keyboard backlight (upon press of any key)
Directional Pad: 5 -way directional block (including action button)
Scroll Wheel: Not supported
Interfaces
Expansion Slots: microSD, microSDHC, TransFlash, SDIO
Supports memory cards with capacity of up to 32GB
USB: USB 2.0 client, Hi-Speed (480Mbit/s)
USB Series Mini-B (mini-USB) connector
Infrared Gate: Not supported
Bluetooth (802.15): Bluetooth 2.0 + EDR , Internal antenna
Wireless LAN/Wi-Fi (802.11): 802.11b, 802.11g (54Mbit/s)
Internal antenna
Multimedia Telecommunication
Analog TV: Not supported
Analog Radio: FM radio reciever
Proprietary headset as antenna
Satellite Navigation (GPS)
GPS Protocol: NMEA 0183
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GPS antenna: Internal antenna
GPS Chip: Qualcomm MSM7201A gpsOne
Built-in Digital Camera
Main Camera: CMOS sensor, 2048x1536 (3.146 million pixels)
Autofocus (AF): Supported
Optical Zoom: 1 x
Macro Mode: Not supported
Built-in Flash: Mobile light (LED)
Recordable Image Formats: JPG, BMP
Camcorder: 320x240pixel , 30frame/sec
Recordable Video Formats: 3GPP, MPEG4, MJPG
Secondary Camera for Video Calling
Secondary Camera: CMOS sensor, 640x480 pixel
Recordable Image Formats: JPG
Camcorder: 320x240pixel
Recordable Video Formats: 3GPP, MPEG4
Power Supply
Battery: Lithium-ion , removable
Battery Capacity: 1350 mAh
Avarege Current: 135 mA
Estimated Battery Life: 10 hours
Additional Details
Additional Features: GPRS Class 12
A-GPS
HTC TouchFLO 3D (HTC Manila)
HTC VueFLO
Bluetooth stereo audio profile (A2DP)
RDS
video out
Related Page: http://www.t-mobile.de/unternehmen/presse/pressemitteilungen/1,12219,20771-_,0..
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Datasheet State: Preliminary specifications
Datasheet Time: May 30, 08 15:46:53

TOUCH PRO (RAFAEL)

Brand: HTC
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Manufacturer: High Tech Computer
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Project Codename: HTC Raphael 100
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Release Date: August, 2008
Physical Attributes
Dimensions
(width x height x depth): 51 x 102 x 18.05 millimetres
2 x 4 x 0.7 inches
Bounding Volume: 93.9 cubecentimetres
Mass: 165 grams (battery included)
Software Environment
Embedded Operating System: Microsoft Windows Mobile 6.1 Professional
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Operating System Kernel: 5.2
Microprocessor, Chipset
CPU: Qualcomm MSM7201A
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Width of Machine Word: 32 bit
CPU Clock: 528 MHz
CPU Core: ARM1136EJ-S
Instruction Set: ARMv6
Memory, Storage capacity
ROM type: Flash EEPROM
ROM capacity: 512 MB
RAM type: DDR SDRAM
RAM capacity: 288 MB
Hard Disk capacity: Not supported
Graphical subsystem
Display Type: color transflective TFT
Display Color Depth: 16 bit/pixel (65536 scales)
Display Resolution: 480 x 640 (307200 pixel)
Display Diagonal: 2.8 " (72 millimetres)
Viewable Area: 1.7" x 2.3" (43.2 x 57.6 millimetres)
Dot Pitch: 0.09 millimetre/pixel
Audio Subsystem
Audio Channel(s): stereo sound
Analog/Digital Converter
(Recording): 16 bit quantization (nominal)
44100 Hz sampling frequency
Digital/Analog Converter
(Playing): 16 bit resolution
44100 Hz holding frequency
Microphone: mono
Speaker: 1 loudspeaker (mono)
Audio Output: Proprietary plug
Cellular Phone
Cellular Networks: GSM900, GSM1800, GSM1900, UMTS900, UMTS2100
Cellular Data Link: CSD, GPRS, EDGE, UMTS, HSDPA
Cellular Antenna: Internal
Call Alert: 40 -chord melody (polyphonic)
Vibrating Alert: Supported
Speakerphone : Supported
Phone Controller (DSP): Qualcomm MSM7201A (QDSP4000, QDSP5000)
Control Peripherals
Positioning Device: Touchscreen
Primary Keyboard: Slide-out QWERTY-type keyboard, 57 keys
Primary Keyboard Backlight: Automatic keyboard backlight (upon press of any key)
Directional Pad: 5 -way directional block (including action button)
Scroll Wheel: Not supported
Interfaces
Expansion Slots: microSD, microSDHC, TransFlash, SDIO
Supports memory cards with capacity of up to 32GB
USB: USB 2.0 client, Hi-Speed (480Mbit/s)
USB Series Mini-B (mini-USB) connector
Infrared Gate: Not supported
Bluetooth (802.15): Bluetooth 2.0 + EDR , Internal antenna
Wireless LAN/Wi-Fi (802.11): 802.11b, 802.11g (54Mbit/s)
Internal antenna
Multimedia Telecommunication
Analog TV: Not supported
Analog Radio: FM radio reciever
Proprietary headset as antenna
Satellite Navigation (GPS)
GPS Protocol: NMEA 0183
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GPS antenna: Internal antenna
GPS Chip: Qualcomm MSM7201A gpsOne
Built-in Digital Camera
Main Camera: CMOS sensor, 2048x1536 (3.146 million pixels)
Autofocus (AF): Supported
Optical Zoom: 1 x
Macro Mode: Not supported
Built-in Flash: Mobile light (LED)
Recordable Image Formats: JPG, BMP
Camcorder: 320x240pixel , 30frame/sec
Recordable Video Formats: 3GPP, MPEG4, MJPG
Secondary Camera for Video Calling
Secondary Camera: CMOS sensor, 640x480 pixel
Recordable Image Formats: JPG
Camcorder: 320x240pixel
Recordable Video Formats: 3GPP, MPEG4
Power Supply
Battery: Lithium-ion polymer , removable
Battery Capacity: 1350 mAh
Avarege Current: 135 mA
Estimated Battery Life: 10 hours
Additional Details
Additional Features: GPRS Class 12
A-GPS
HTC TouchFLO 3D (HTC Manila)
HTC VueFLO
RDS
Bluetooth stereo audio profile (A2DP)
video out
voice command
pre installed Opera 9.5
Related Page: http://www.htc.com/europe/product.aspx?id=49926
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So you SEE... everything is the same, except that the Vario DOESN'T have voice command (meh) or installed Opera (woot).

I have to say that it's the TOUCH PRO for me, but the propriatory audio plug that really pisses me off, it makes changing headphones a prime pain in the ass.

[CorruptedSanity]

Will the touch pro tilt like the TyTn II (Kaiser?)?

[demonizator]

AFAIK it won't...

[Flexer]

AFAIK Thank God it won't ^^

[vigilante_xix]

AFAIK Thank God it won't ^^

Why is that? I have a TyTn II and use the tilt feature quite a lot! I can't see it adding to size but perhaps to weight, although only marginally.

[Flexer]

Why is that? I have a TyTn II and use the tilt feature quite a lot! I can't see it adding to size but perhaps to weight, although only marginally.

Because I've held a tilt several times..
I don't mean it's bad, but the joints are thin and small.. Drop it once, drop it forever :)

I wouldn't want that happening to my Touch Pro :)

[Someone Walkin']

Anyone know if the Touch Pro (Rafael 100) has 3d acceleration, maybe an ATI chip?

Also will this run Android, my next handset must run Android.

[Flexer]

Anyone know if the Touch Pro (Rafael 100) has 3d acceleration, maybe an ATI chip?

Nothing personal but..... LOL Weirdo :rolleyes:

Speaking seriously.. The answer is Yes and No :)
From the specs, you can see the chip that powers the device.. Officially it has a graphical accelerator.. The problem is.. HTC doesn't provide the drivers for it (or some dlls, or settings, or whatever else) so in most cases it won't work..

Now, as I heard, some applications do use it, but they have their own implementation in their software itself.. Meaning it will work in that app, not system wide.. An example would be the Core Player, that supposedly worked very good on the TyTn II and the Touch Cruise, and used the acceleration (again, I might be wrong)

[kumar00455]

Can someone tell me...

Does Raphaen have all features as Diamond (except for the obvious hardware specs)


- The magnetic stylus - which can open notes after call
- Tilting down the phone will make the incoming call as 'silent'
- 3d
- The new home screen

Thanks,

[Jorlin]

Can someone tell me...

Does Raphaen have all features as Diamond (except for the obvious hardware specs)


- The magnetic stylus - which can open notes after call
- Tilting down the phone will make the incoming call as 'silent'
- 3d
- The new home screen

Thanks,

Yes Yes Yes... is it so difficult to use the search function or better... go to HTC.com and compare the specs and screen shots and overview of the devices... almost answers all you questions...

[CorruptedSanity]

- The magnetic stylus - which can open notes after call


Thanks,

Yo Kumar, how does the stylus open notes? Magnet? I dont get it.

[kumar00455]

Yo Kumar, how does the stylus open notes? Magnet? I dont get it.
Well I read it some where...

After the call is over, if you remove the stylus - Diamond will open the Call-Notes for the last call. In earlier devices you will have to go through the menu from call history ;)

The DIAMOND can 'wake-up' if you remove the stylus from the stylus holder

These are the ones I was talking about ;)

[kumar00455]

Yes Yes Yes... is it so difficult to use the search function or better... go to HTC.com and compare the specs and screen shots and overview of the devices... almost answers all you questions...
The specs are great and I can go through them word by word, letter by letter.

I was interested to know the 3d and other things listed.

Thanks.

[CorruptedSanity]

Well I read it some where...

After the call is over, if you remove the stylus - Diamond will open the Call-Notes for the last call. In earlier devices you will have to go through the menu from call history ;)

The DIAMOND can 'wake-up' if you remove the stylus from the stylus holder

These are the ones I was talking about ;)

The diamons will wake up by takin out the stylus but will not open a note if you take out the stylus after a call has ended. Maybe during the call? Ill check and get back to you guys.

[CorruptedSanity]

Ok, confirmed, Notes will open if you take out the stylus during a call (not after it has ended).

[kumar00455]

Ok, confirmed, Notes will open if you take out the stylus during a call (not after it has ended).
Thats a good one....

Will this work with Raphael???

[Jorlin]

Thats a good one....

Will this work with Raphael???

yes, everything that the Touch Diamond can do or actually does will also work in the Pro... and more due to the keyboard, flash, memory card slot and more RAM/ROM.

And officially the Raphael is called "HTC Touch Pro"

[CorruptedSanity]

Im dissapointed that the Touch Pro does not have as many hard buttons as the TyTn II.

Apparently it only has 4 on the face while the TyTn II has 8 on the face, 2 on the left side ( the 2 on the right have a dedicated sole purpose - cam & power).


Any opinions? Also, ive grown fond of the 2 soft keys on the hardware keyboard. Very functional.

[CorruptedSanity]

Im dissapointed that the Touch Pro does not have as many hard buttons as the TyTn II.

Apparently it only has 4 on the face while the TyTn II has 8 on the face, 2 on the left side ( the 2 on the right have a dedicated sole purpose - cam & power).


Any opinions? Also, ive grown fond of the 2 soft keys on the hardware keyboard. Very functional.