HTC Diamond is good BUT Htc Raphael 100 aka Htc Vario IV is even better

[leekg]

Htc diamond is pretty impressive with its 3D touch flo,etc etc however Htc is also about to release the Htc Raphael aka T-Mobile Vario IV which had all the features of Htc diamond PLUS a lot of extras eg...

Sliding qwerty keyboard like Tytn II
Double the ROM from 256mb to 512mb
Double the RAM from 128mb to 256mb
Micro sd card slot(diamond has none)
Cpu clock speed from 400mhz to 528mhz, etc

Details are as below

http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=specs&id=1320&view=1
http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=specs&id=1306&view=1

Needless to say if u had not committed to buy the diamond yet hold your horses for about 1 month later approximately u can have better value for money in buying the htc raphael instead.

The only con is that the raphael is slightly heavier at 160gm instead of 110gm for diamond

[someone1234]

Sliding qwerty keyboard like Tytn II <-- yes
Double the ROM from 256mb to 512mb <-- yes
Double the RAM from 128mb to 256mb <-- diamond has 192mb ram
Micro sd card slot(diamond has none) <-- yes, but no built in 4GB
Cpu clock speed from 400mhz to 528mhz <-- Use same core platform, CPU speed and graphics etc are identical

You forgot
1340 mAh battery (vario) as opposed to the 900 mAh (diamond)
Vario is 17mm thick, Diamond is 11.3 mm thick

Really the BIGGEST plus for diamond is size, and that IS whats going to decide it for most people. There is a significant difference in the volume of the two phones. You will see many people who are more interested in a style phone to show of to their non WM using friends buying a diamond, and more hardcore WM fans buying the vario.

Anyway, everyone knew the Vario was on its way, pictures of both were leaked at the same time.

oh and expect the vario to cost more too.

PS wrong place for this topic.. there's already one about diamond vs raphael (aka vario) in the corect place: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=396150

[King of Rapture™]

PS wrong place for this topic.. there's already one about diamond vs raphael (aka vario) in the corect place: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=396150


Not really! :(

The Raphael and Vario differs in specs and they are not the same.

Read the specs carefully on both of these!

The Vario has better specs!!

Double the ROM from 256mb to 512mb
and the RAM from 128mb to 256mb

The ROM and RAM on Raphael is same as Diamond!

KOR! :)

[Juggles]

The biggest 2 problems that I can see with the Vario are these... First of all, that sliding keyboard is great... but it has been confirmed that there is NO tilt such as seen on the tytn II!

The other biggest problem is the obvious measly 256 Ram. I know you COULD put a chip in, but be honest... 4gb internal memory is a much better option.

Bearing in mind that i recieve about 200 emails a DAY (IT manager!) the diamond just makes much more sense! I use a universal at the moment, and have pre-ordered the Diamond. That lack of tilit screen convinced me to wait for the "second Gen" versions of this series!

I already carry a "monster" around with me. but now i want something that is both stylish and practical. The diamond simply fits that bill! Smart enough to replace my Uni, and also enables me to do stuff like have email on the go, and super fast browsing and vid conferencing. AND i am getting fed up with people brandashing IPhones and wanting me buy one.. Coz its apple! :)

[jcasplinter]

You also forgot to mention that this device has a tv-out!

[rorydaredkign]

this device?
which one? diamond definitely doesnt
so im guessing you meant raphael
thats a gimmick, ive got it on my athena, and in the box they give you vga out cable, not tv out. tv out costs 15 quid extra.
and i have never used it anyway
Rory

[jcasplinter]

Yeah i mean the VARIO.

Go to a friends place, connect your phone to the tv with the tv out and play movies from your 8gb microsd card (or higher... just takes time.)


Go to work, put your presentation on your phone connect it to the beamer and give your presentation .

If these things are really possible, i'd definitely use the tv-out. I never had a phone with this so i dont know how easy to use it is though...

[vua777]

yeah everybody know, just like iphone 2.5->3G . they alway to limit their best technology to suck our pocket! how come a vga on 2.8" and 900mA battery... is today use,
just the UI

[Alfredos]

No not 256mb Ram but 288mb Ram

Read here (http://www.coolsmartphone.com/news4080.html) and here (http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2008/06/04/htc-announces-htc-touch-pro/) and here (http://www.pocketpcthoughts.com/news/show/89411/htc-touch-pro-announced-a-k-a-the-raphael.html)
and it's 18.05 mm instead of 17mm

[ful babu]

No not 256mb Ram but 288mb Ram

Read here (http://www.coolsmartphone.com/news4080.html) and here (http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2008/06/04/htc-announces-htc-touch-pro/) and here (http://www.pocketpcthoughts.com/news/show/89411/htc-touch-pro-announced-a-k-a-the-raphael.html)
and it's 18.05 mm instead of 17mm

and also here (http://www.htc.com/europe/product.aspx?id=49926)

regards

[SouthernLuke]

What about the Touch Pro? Or is that that HTC Raphael?

[RobbinM]

Yes, the HTC Touch Pro and the HTC Raphael are one and the same.

I currently own a HTC TyTN II and I want to switch to this phone too.

I've made a nice comparison table. I will now translate it to English (from Dutch) and then I will post it.

[zwuncki]

Someone from another (german) forum guessed that Diamond and Raphael are the same except keyboard and sd-slot. He found a setting in the registry about tv-out, too.

BTW: The Diamond has 528mhz, too. ;)

[Syphon Filter]

Not really! :(

The Raphael and Vario differs in specs and they are not the same.

Read the specs carefully on both of these!

The Vario has better specs!!

Double the ROM from 256mb to 512mb
and the RAM from 128mb to 256mb

The ROM and RAM on Raphael is same as Diamond!

KOR! :)

That is simply not true. The HTC Raphael (aka Touch Pro) is indentical in spec to the Vario. They are the SAME device just with a slightly different casing and of course the T-Mobile customised ROM.

The Vario IV and the Raphael will both have the same ROM/RAM capacities.

[TarKin]

well, as we all know the raph. and the diam. seem to share the same hardware.
so, i was wondering if any of you guys already:
a) either know how the raph. accomplishes that? (extra cable like with iphone) - plugged into what? the usb?

and

b) if there´s any chance to get that working on the diamond too.

anybody able to enlighten me about that?

[HTC_GLOW]

well, as we all know the raph. and the diam. seem to share the same hardware.
so, i was wondering if any of you guys already:
a) either know how the raph. accomplishes that? (extra cable like with iphone) - plugged into what? the usb?

and

b) if there´s any chance to get that working on the diamond too.

anybody able to enlighten me about that?

when at London Diamond launch I seem to remember the Diamond linked live to a video wall unsure if this is only on development platform of the phone, the VGA of this HTC res makes this a more interesting project

[Dark Fire]

You will see many people who are more interested in a style phone to show of to their non WM using friends buying a diamond, and more hardcore WM fans buying the vario.

Not necessarily. Some hardcore WM fans would undoubedly want to make WM seem more stylish, so it becomes more popular and therefore more rapidly, and better, developed.

well, as we all know the raph. and the diam. seem to share the same hardware.
so, i was wondering if any of you guys already:
a) either know how the raph. accomplishes that? (extra cable like with iphone) - plugged into what? the usb?

and

b) if there´s any chance to get that working on the diamond too.

anybody able to enlighten me about that?

The HTC specs page seems to imply that the TV Out is through their 'HTC ExtUSB™', which the Diamond has. So, therefore, with the right cable and software, you might be able to get TV Out on the Diamond. However, it probably requires special drivers and stuff that will never be made compatible with the Diamond (otherwise HTC would have put that feature on the Diamond too).

[shogunmark]

and this is in the diamond rom development because????

[CorruptedSanity]

Yes, the HTC Touch Pro and the HTC Raphael are one and the same.

I currently own a HTC TyTN II and I want to switch to this phone too.

I've made a nice comparison table. I will now translate it to English (from Dutch) and then I will post it.

Waiting :)

[imranbashir_uk]

The HTC specs page seems to imply that the TV Out is through their 'HTC ExtUSB™', which the Diamond has. So, therefore, with the right cable and software, you might be able to get TV Out on the Diamond. However, it probably requires special drivers and stuff that will never be made compatible with the Diamond (otherwise HTC would have put that feature on the Diamond too).

You are right in that the connector is the same externally, however internally they are slightly different, and that a few additional discrete passive components are required to enable TV Out.

It is unlikely that these are fitted as default. One thing is clear however that the Qualcomm chip used does support TV out, so if the main PCB tracking is common between the two devices, then there is a possibility that the tracking is already in place for the diamond!

Well what does this mean, well it means that there is a chance is could be made to work on the diamond, but I wouldn’t hold your breath!

[Dark Fire]

You are right in that the connector is the same externally, however internally they are slightly different, and that a few additional discrete passive components are required to enable TV Out.

It is unlikely that these are fitted as default. One thing is clear however that the Qualcomm chip used does support TV out, so if the main PCB tracking is common between the two devices, then there is a possibility that the tracking is already in place for the diamond!

Well what does this mean, well it means that there is a chance is could be made to work on the diamond, but I wouldn’t hold your breath!

Ah, right. That's very interesting...and you clearly know your stuff! I've personally never seen the point of TV Out, but there must be people out there who use it...