[App] [4.28.09-Update 23]M2D - NEW manila 2d build 1.20.19131530.00 NOW UP

[motisu]

About four hours ago...

I shall move it now!

My congrats too!!!:)

[egzthunder1]

About four hours ago...

I shall move it now!

Way to go l3v5y!!!

All hail the new mighty mod!! :D

[herg62123]

we are still looking for anyone who knows lua and opengles coding. if you are this person please help.

[l3v5y]

Way to go l3v5y!!!

All hail the new mighty mod!! :D
That is so off topic :p (thanks though :D)

There must be someone here who knows how to use Lua....

[manaaa]

how about try to contact some from a lua community > http://lua-users.org/


Currently available resources:

* lua-users wiki - collaborative web site
* lua-l archive - searchable web archive of the official Lua mailing list
* lua-users chat room - IRC channel (#lua at irc.freenode.net)
* lua-users.org mini charter
* acknowledgements

[manaaa]

im in their irc channel, but they are silent like a stone

[dremanueleb]

No news about manilla? This thread is deaded?

[JC_Carrillo]

No news about manilla? This thread is deaded?

Read the thread title

[dremanueleb]

but is it possible that in all the world there are not programmer w/knowledge of lua and opengles?

[davidebeatrice]

stop hoping?:(

[JC_Carrillo]

I don't think so, read OpenGL drivers status (http://www.htcclassaction.org/driverprogress.php), if they release a functional drivers, touchflo 3D will be easiest to port to our kaisers

[lennysh]

I don't think so, read OpenGL drivers status (http://www.htcclassaction.org/driverprogress.php), if they release a functional drivers, touchflo 3D will be easiest to port to our kaisers
Well, I've been told that there is a YouTube Video of where somebody has succesfully gotten the OpenGL working on the Kaiser using newer drivers from the Diamond I guess. I forgot to save the link. But I will try and find it for you all.


EDIT:

Recieved from a Friend,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_2k-_he-dgM
PROPER video of OpenGL ES on Kaiser

[JC_Carrillo]

mate, have you followed my link? ;)

That video have a poor framerate, but they affirm 136FPS!!! :D:D

[lennysh]

mate, have you followed my link? ;)

That video have a poor framerate, but they affirm 136FPS!!! :D:D
Did you follow my link?? My video is way different/newer than your video. I just got the link yesterday shortly after it was posted i think...

[JC_Carrillo]

Did you follow my link?? My video is way different/newer than your video. I just got the link yesterday shortly after it was posted i think...

hahaha, mate, look at the bottom, right here http://www.htcclassaction.org/driverprogress.php#update_20080623_1

cheers

[lennysh]

hahaha, mate, look at the bottom, right here http://www.htcclassaction.org/driverprogress.php#update_20080623_1

cheers

Leave me alone... I'm still sleepy...

haha

lol

[davidebeatrice]

hahaha, mate, look at the bottom, right here http://www.htcclassaction.org/driverprogress.php#update_20080623_1

cheers

and where i can find these drivers?:)

[JC_Carrillo]

:( at this moment, nowhere, those drivers are experimental, be more patient ;) our xda developers still working

[davidebeatrice]

:( at this moment, nowhere, those drivers are experimental, be more patient ;) our xda developers still working

perfect!!!:D

[luis89]

so...when manila will be ready for QVGA devices??? (as Touch Elf):confused:

[xPreSiDenT]

jus downloaded the 3rd version zip... although now i have no idea what to do with it... should i copy the \windows files to windows on phone? what about the \windows\HTC and \windows\not sure ones? n also \found... i dont want to corrupt the rom so i thought i'd ask...

[davidebeatrice]

jus downloaded the 3rd version zip... although now i have no idea what to do with it... should i copy the \windows files to windows on phone? what about the \windows\HTC and \windows\not sure ones? n also \found... i dont want to corrupt the rom so i thought i'd ask...

this is a development version...if you don't know how to edit some files\changes some value i think it's better if you wait for a final version...

[davidebeatrice]

so no forward steps?:(

[twolf]

this isnt the same, obviously, but...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=2351118

[dremanueleb]

Again stopped this forum? No news about qvga diamond?

[badbrad4080]

yea what happened

[sadoway]

so i guess everyones super busy now lol...
probably with girlfriends... hate those :P

[davidebeatrice]

but no one can work on the files? im not able to do that, but i think its impossible that noone know how to...
when the drivers will be released (when?) the wrong size problem will be always present, and so how to making working manila on qvga devices?

[underboy2008]

I every one. I try herg62123_ericmcintire_nothrills_qvga_manila.cab on my trinity. And i get up to 3,80 fps in my trinity.

I think that only changin the images to qvga it will no bring the expected frame rate. The code need to be adapted...

I have some languages knoledgements but i never try to do something like that. Lets read and read and lets see.

Sorry from my english.

TUGAS, PORTUGAL

[underboy2008]

I want to see the source of libGLES_CM.dll

But it seams to be empty.

Only the dwmapi.dll shows some code but only about the version..

1 VERSIONINFO
FILEVERSION 6,0,5384,4
PRODUCTVERSION 6,0,5384,4
FILEOS 0x40004
FILETYPE 0x2
{
BLOCK "StringFileInfo"
{
BLOCK "040904B0"
{
VALUE "CompanyName", "Microsoft Corporation"
VALUE "FileDescription", "Microsoft Desktop Window Manager API"
VALUE "FileVersion", "6.0.5384.4 (winmain_beta2.060518-1455)"
VALUE "InternalName", "dwmapi.dll"
VALUE "LegalCopyright", "© Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved."
VALUE "OriginalFilename", "dwmapi.dll"
VALUE "ProductName", "Microsoft® Windows® Operating System"
VALUE "ProductVersion", "6.0.5384.4"
}
}

BLOCK "VarFileInfo"
{
VALUE "Translation", 0x0409 0x04B0
}
}

Have anyone some app that can unpack a DLL? I think that... work with souce that we get for unpacking a DLL its not good... We need the source?

Some replay please ppl.
Big UGS, João From Portugal

ISMAI, Instituto Superior da Maia (IG)

[infernalshade]

but no one can work on the files? im not able to do that, but i think its impossible that noone know how to...
when the drivers will be released (when?) the wrong size problem will be always present, and so how to making working manila on qvga devices?

Well you can change the Image-Sizes, and you can change the code...but you can't change the driver for other devices that are needed to run touchflo 3d correctly! You have to make new drivers...

[davidebeatrice]

Well you can change the Image-Sizes, and you can change the code...but you can't change the driver for other devices that are needed to run touchflo 3d correctly! You have to make new drivers...

the drivers are under developement (reade some post in this thread) and maybe, i dont know when, will be released. but also with the drviers the problem is always to chenge some vlaues in the dll and lua , etc files...
the image resizing only cant be useful...

[davidebeatrice]

i start thinking it's impossible to make qvga the diamond interface...:( no one attains good results in that...maybe the best thing it's to buy a diamond...:(

[Dangerously]

i start thinking it's impossible to make qvga the diamond interface...:( no one attains good results in that...maybe the best thing it's to buy a diamond...:(

Nothing is EVER impossible to do. It might require some rewrite and compatibility changes (chip set wise) to get it to work on non Diamond devices. It just takes time and the right people to get the job done ;) Unfortunately our BIOS programmer seems to have disappeared...

[herg62123]

Nothing is EVER impossible to do. It might require some rewrite and compatibility changes (chip set wise) to get it to work on non Diamond devices. It just takes time and the right people to get the job done ;) Unfortunately our BIOS programmer seems to have disappeared...

i haven't disappeared i have just been sitting on the side lines watching quietly.

i have found this cab file on diamond rom forum that has been packed into a cab file.

the credit goes to theloneranger since he was the one who created this file.

it is the updated touchflo 3d file that htc made in the current rom 1.37.

it is still vga format so heads up.....it will also take up about 20mb of space so heads up

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=NFOPPWZX

[dremanueleb]

Is it not possible the download at http://http://www.megaupload.com/?d=NFOPPWZX

..... file not found

[Ather]

lolz..see the link

it has double http

[opgadgets]

I'm sorry to revive a somewhat dead topic, but is any progress being made on this?

[herg62123]

I'm sorry to revive a somewhat dead topic, but is any progress being made on this?

i am still playing with it but not as heavy as i was.

i did fix the error on the download link by the way. it should work correctly now.

[opgadgets]

well, I'm glad to see that someone's still working on it. good luck with it!

[gofawkurself]

yea, I was worried the project was canceled as well. glad to see it's still crawling forwarded.

[dremanueleb]

please, give me a news about the development fo qvga .... when we can test the cab file?

[mun_rus]

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=2394521#post2394521

:)

[CraZyLiLbOy]

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=2394521#post2394521

:)

Is that for the diamond as well?

[l3v5y]

please, give me a news about the development fo qvga .... when we can test the cab file?
No one knows how long this will take, or if it's even going to work, so can people please stop asking...

[mun_rus]

Is that for the diamond as well?
yes it is)

[sadoway]

No one knows how long this will take, or if it's even going to work, so can people please stop asking...

its just that this thread died... and people kinda see that like the project died...
*sad*
i was also hopping for iswish. but ive given up waiting for that one.

[TheChampJT]

its just that this thread died... and people kinda see that like the project died...
*sad*
i was also hopping for iswish. but ive given up waiting for that one.

You must have little patience, these things don't magically get developed overnight.

[ssminnow]

So can the new drivers work with touchflo on the tytn?

[mbarvian]

So can the new drivers work with touchflo on the tytn?

i was wondering the exact same thing

[vj4]

ok just tested with the first beta one (didnt know about the latest files.) im running between 2.89 up to 3.19 with 32.5 meg ram available dont know if its faster just to let you know

thats was just running the clock when i clicked on the home button it swapped to calls at 4 fps dunno if this is old news but thought i'd tell u what its like with the d3d drivers

[EDA-One]

Same at me.
But I figured out, that there's a "libgles_cm.dll" in the manila folder.
This differs from the one, that is included in the 3D-driver.
The 3D-driver contains of a small libgles_cm.dll (19kB) and a libgles_cm_ks.dll (213kB).
The manila one is about 400kB. So we have to tell manila to use the dlls of the driver, not its own.

[vj4]

nice work any ideas how?

[mbarvian]

sounds good good :D

[Gentox]

As expected (the developers said it probable wouldn't) the driver does not work on eten X500+ :o

No speed increase still @ 1.2 fps and 18 free mem.:eek:

[mlalahoi]

Edited out completely, had a "great idea" but careful inspection of QVGA fake CHinese Diamond clone leads me to think that it will be of no help.:(

[NuShrike]

Same at me.
But I figured out, that there's a "libgles_cm.dll" in the manila folder.
This differs from the one, that is included in the 3D-driver.
The 3D-driver contains of a small libgles_cm.dll (19kB) and a libgles_cm_ks.dll (213kB).
The manila one is about 400kB. So we have to tell manila to use the dlls of the driver, not its own.That's easy to fix. Rename Manila's libgles_cm.dll to manila_libgles_cm.dll. Then when the app searches the system for the correctly named one, it'll use the new 3D driver. If Manila is full-screen then it of course won't work.

[mbarvian]

That's easy to fix. Rename Manila's libgles_cm.dll to manila_libgles_cm.dll. Then when the app searches the system for the correctly named one, it'll use the new 3D driver. If Manila is full-screen then it of course won't work.

well, Manila is not full-screen, so please try this and post the results :D

[NuShrike]

That's easy to fix. Rename Manila's libgles_cm.dll to manila_libgles_cm.dll. Then when the app searches the system for the correctly named one, it'll use the new 3D driver. If Manila is full-screen then it of course won't work.Ya, so just tried it. FAIL.

Some reason, Manila won't start up unlike with the included software libgles_cm which gets me about 3FPS with 45MB free.

[mbarvian]

Ya, so just tried it. FAIL.

Some reason, Manila won't start up unlike with the included software libgles_cm which gets me about 3FPS with 45MB free.

hmm, well I'm a pretty big newb when it comes to software, but is there any other way to "point" it to the right driver?

[NuShrike]

hmm, well I'm a pretty big newb when it comes to software, but is there any other way to "point" it to the right driver?It IS pointing to the right driver once you remove/rename the one included.

Anyways, the reason it fails is because Manila makes an illegal call to glClear() without setting up/initializing the current GL context. Probably never caught because the included GL driver checks for stupid stuff like this while the fast3D doesn't.

Could probably fix it by wrapping the fast3D driver to make it check and ignore the call.

[mbarvian]

umm, OK, try that :D

[atomikpt]

3fps.. we need the drivers to kick in and work with this app..

:confused:

[mbarvian]

3fps.. we need the drivers to kick in and work with this app..

:confused:

yes we do.

[mbarvian]

sorry for the double post, but is there any progress being made on this:confused:

[atomikpt]

now that we have the drivers someone should work on this.......

its a very good project!!!!

peace

[mbarvian]

now that we have the drivers someone should work on this.......

its a very good project!!!!

peace

i agree, I would love to see this on the kaiser:D

[Gentox]

i am still playing with it but not as heavy as i was.

i did fix the error on the download link by the way. it should work correctly now.

Herg i tried installing the versions you have posted here (also TRL versions) on my eten x500+ (VGA 400 Mhz).
But after installing i don't see any of the pictures just white spaces, i see the clock turning (but not the numbers) and i can navigate but i just can't see the icons or pictures (just white spaces) the text is displaying correct.
Do you know what this could be ,i didn't have this problem using the beta versions.
BTW i did a fresh rom flash and found that my phone has a d3dm.dll a d3dm_sedrv.dll and a ddraw.dll in my windows folder, does this mean if manila get to work with those files would it work ??

Greetings Gentox.

PS Can't wait to see it running decent .:D

Come on People you can do it. lol :p

[shokhatri]

That's cause porn's only useful for about 5-7 minutes at a time... (doesn't say much for me I know) but XDA is at least an hour at a time... To add something useful, I went through EVERY width/height value in the home.m9 files and reduced all by half and couldn't get the slider bar working... so there's got to be something else to make it work.
may be you should try searching anything regarding multi touch info.... if it is programmed for multi-touch screen ...

Just give it a shot.
thankz

[dyetheskin]

i'm waiting on dutty for the the diamonds version and then going to compare to what this project has changed so far and see if i can use my graphic design and programming skills on this and make this not based on drivers

[Gentox]

i'm waiting on dutty for the the diamonds version and then going to compare to what this project has changed so far and see if i can use my graphic design and programming skills on this and make this not based on drivers

That would be awesome, hope you can get it to work.:D

Good luck and keep us posted.:p

Greetings Gentox.

[dyetheskin]

seems like only 3 things need to be done

1. compress all graphic files to qvga without quality loss
2. modify the animation
3. program how it reacts to the touch of the screen

[Rumball]

Has anyone been able to get Manila running on a WM emulator on their desktop?

The reason I'm interested is because I want to be able to replicate the Manila weather animations in my WeatherPanel theme (by making MNG animations). I figure if I can get Manila to run on my desktop PC inside a WM emulator then it would be relatively easy to capture the animations.

[dyetheskin]

maybe it's something with the emulator and not manila itself since it's a package which needs to be worked on,interesting idea to help me simulate this in getting it to work for the kaiser

[idsk]

yes that works in vga emulator,
and it is very usefull for resizing to qvga, because with the vga screen you can see all around that is suposed to be hidden

http://forum.xda-developers.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=101228&stc=1&d=1216822014

[Rumball]

Thanks idsk.

So I've downloaded the WM6.1 Pro emulator and have installed manila.1.0.0103.0.release from post http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=364595. I now have Manila executing on my desktop (:D) however any time I switch to the weather page Manila crashes (:()

I've also tried the HTCManila_TLR.CAB (available at http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=406850). It installs fine but HTC TouchFlo 3D refuses to start.

So are you able to get the Weather Animations to work in your emulator environment? Is there some step that I'm missing in order to install TouchFlo on an emulator?

Thanks in advance for your help.

[herg62123]

just got word that at&t is getting touch pro soon.

once i have this i will further my quest to qvga manilla.

hold on tight till i get the new device when it comes out. hopefully soon.

[jtoyz2]

Since our community has found a way to use the D3D on our kaiser will this help development of this project a little easier?

[Kraize]

Since our community has found a way to use the D3D on our kaiser will this help development of this project a little easier?

Not really. It should help improve the speed whne we use it, but not in developing it since developing has to do with resizing it to QVGA.

[jtoyz2]

Not really. It should help improve the speed whne we use it, but not in developing it since developing has to do with resizing it to QVGA.

yea i know regarding the resizing it to qvga...but there is so many diamond theme out there...cant we combine it and have the clock animation and weather animation added to them? easier said than done...i know...thx for the reply thuogh...i just hope my questions and comments arent stupid...D3D should allow us to run animated today screen right?

[NuShrike]

This is manila.exe (v1 link) with CreateWindowEx() patch to use something in the QVGA range. It is now compatible with the KaiserGL drivers.

Remember to rename/remove the default (software-based rendering) libgles_cm.dll that came with Manila.

[JeckyllHavok]

Manila that works w HWA KaiserGL

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
This is manila.exe (v1 link) with CreateWindowEx() patch to use something in the QVGA range. It is now compatible with the KaiserGL drivers.

Remember to rename/remove the default (software-based rendering) libgles_cm.dll that came with Manila.

Nice work, mate, Can you tell me which of the files arround here i have to install for your exe file? And what else have i to do (rename, copy...)

Thanks in advance

[Chainfire]

See http://www.htcclassaction.org/driverprogress.php#update_20080729_1 for more detailed instructions :)

[slovoflud]

See http://www.htcclassaction.org/driverprogress.php#update_20080729_1 for more detailed instructions :)
hope someone can take a video of it

[megagol]

Hi everybody,
i tried on a Tytn II, HTC CA drivers, on HYPERDRAGON III ROM and i did use the patch above and WOOOW the today screen works with about 20 FPS ! Nice Work !!! looking forward to have a brand new BETA more stable

[myteematt]

I would love to help out testing the QVGA beta on my Tilt however Im not sure which files go where? I will check in WinCE Cab Manager to see where original files install to and just redo the cab with the newer files. I would be happy to repost updated cab if someone gives me the proper instructions. Everyone is doing great, outstanding, and might I say even ground-breaking work on this driver and package and I am so proud of this site and the strong community we have here. Great work and let me know if theres anything else I can do to test, package, or edit some graphic files for anything in this package. :)

[JeckyllHavok]

Nice work,
ROMeOS V. 4.1
new HTC CA Drivers
and the Manilla.exe patch and today screen works with about 20-22 fps.
This is the right way

[bedoig]

Awesome work guys (and gals)!!!

Here's hoping for some progress on the Titan. Way out of my league :)

[dyetheskin]

can't wait for this to be completed with the driver project as well so we can have a phone UI identical to the diamond and touch pro

[fearthereaper123]

I can't get it to work. Says HTC Home is terminated unexpectadly, please tap here to start HTC Home. I followed directions.

[fearthereaper123]

sorry guys. it works now. i was just stupid and didnt install drivers... works fast, just wish we could get everything moving... sweet project! and good luck!

[dyetheskin]

I can't get it to work. Says HTC Home is terminated unexpectadly, please tap here to start HTC Home. I followed directions.

I got the same message but I installed the drivers first. I installed V1 cab, replace manila.exe,check my today settings and did everything and still got the message,going to check to make sure touchflo is turned on

[BigCall]

http://www.throttlelauncher.com/portal/index.php/pruebas/34-public-releases/76-092beta
Watch this my friends :)

[dyetheskin]

that's all garbage compared to the real touchflo 3d found on the diamond and touch pro

[bluemetalaxe]

http://www.throttlelauncher.com/portal/index.php/pruebas/34-public-releases/76-092beta
Watch this my friends :)

watch this my little friend :D and tell if your throttle launcherr can do this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bn68hwqVNEY

[rwertz14]

I got the same message but I installed the drivers first. I installed V1 cab, replace manila.exe,check my today settings and did everything and still got the message,going to check to make sure touchflo is turned on


Did you remove libgles_cm.dll? That is an important step to get it to work.

[dyetheskin]

yup,been done correctly in right order as i followed the steps

[BigCall]

that's all garbage compared to the real touchflo 3d found on the diamond and touch pro

I know but the idea is that function very fast on 320*240 and i think maybe help and give some thoughts for the programmers.I want the real TouchFlo 3d on my Kaiser to !Thanks friends for your work !!!

[bluemetalaxe]

gays :D:confused:

[dyetheskin]

I know but the idea is that function very fast on 320*240 and i think maybe help and give some thoughts for the programmers.I want the real TouchFlo 3d on my Kaiser to !Thanks gays for your work !!!

be careful not to insult since you used "gays" when it could mean "guys" yet the 2 different letters are too far way to be a typo so i'm assuming you're insulting and discriminating at same time which will put you on a quick path to being banned for being new and not reading general rules, having manners with no sense of any etiquette.

[BigCall]

Sorry for my broken english!I want to say guys :(

[blazingwolf]

watch this my little friend :D and tell if your throttle launcherr can do this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bn68hwqVNEY

Watch as we can't use that on our devices while we can use ThrottleLauncher now.

[Praygo]

Got qvga Manilla working with my Tilt and RomEos v4 and revision 3 of d3d drivers. Could not get it working with L26 Diamond rom V9

[blazingwolf]

Got qvga Manilla working with my Tilt and RomEos v4 and revision 3 of d3d drivers. Could not get it working with L26 Diamond rom V9

and what is the FPS?

[Aaron McCarthy]

and what is the FPS?


Frames Per Second. The more frames the better.. obviously

[pazookie]

he was asking how many he was getting with the drivers silly

[Praygo]

and what is the FPS?

20-30 fps

Can't wait for someone to figure out all the button mapping. Full functioning Manilla on the Kaiser is looking more and more like a reality. :eek:

[dyetheskin]

20-30 fps

Can't wait for someone to figure out all the button mapping. Full functioning Manilla on the Kaiser is looking more and more like a reality. :eek:

like a dream come true

[idsk]

20-30 fps


with how many tabs?
the only time i got ~30fps was when there was only the settings tab...
if it's with all the tabs that's great work!
wich lib_gles did you used?

[djboo]

the performance on manilla with these drivers is clearly not as good as a diamond, but beyond the minimal required for a usable experience... the only thing left is to get it to work! im guessing the gestures expected are still wanting a 640x480 screen. without the source and no QVGA version in existance, im not entirely sure itll be able to fix that... unless we are very lucky and its in an XML or similar (maybe even registry)

of course, i could be totally wrong too.

[cp_kirkley]

Just wanted to check in and see if anyone (on the development side) had visited this since the release of the July 29 driver patch.

It looked like they had figured it out for the most part, but the lack f performance discouraged them from continuing. Now that the performance is at a more reasonable speed, is the plan to push forward? Or is the release of the source material a white flag asking someone else to take over?

[cp_kirkley]

Edit... dammit.

[blazingwolf]

20-30 fps

Can't wait for someone to figure out all the button mapping. Full functioning Manilla on the Kaiser is looking more and more like a reality. :eek:

20 to 30 isn't bad but it is still slow for a QVGA device (my opinion). The other problem for me is that these drivers are only good for a Kaiser. Since I don't own one I'm still looking in from the outside.

[herg62123]

since the drivers bbeen made.....i have been back in the sattle, got my shit kickers on, and my spurs all cleaned up.....i have been looking at diamond roms, touch pro roms, and touchflo3d clones to see what we can do to get a true touchflo 3d aka HERGILLA.


YES I SAID IT HERGILLA IS BACK AND IS HE PISSED....lol rotf lmao

ok all that has helped me from the beginning of the thread pm me....HERGILLA needs to be completed

THAT MEANS HERGILLA NEEDS YOU....lol

[mbarvian]

since the drivers bbeen made.....i have been back in the sattle, got my shit kickers on, and my spurs all cleaned up.....i have been looking at diamond roms, touch pro roms, and touchflo3d clones to see what we can do to get a true touchflo 3d aka HERGILLA.


YES I SAID IT HERGILLA IS BACK AND IS HE PISSED....lol rotf lmao

ok all that has helped me from the beginning of the thread pm me....HERGILLA needs to be completed

THAT MEANS HERGILLA NEEDS YOU....lol

YES, sounds great

[cp_kirkley]

since the drivers bbeen made.....i have been back in the sattle, got my shit kickers on, and my spurs all cleaned up.....i have been looking at diamond roms, touch pro roms, and touchflo3d clones to see what we can do to get a true touchflo 3d aka HERGILLA.


YES I SAID IT HERGILLA IS BACK AND IS HE PISSED....lol rotf lmao

ok all that has helped me from the beginning of the thread pm me....HERGILLA needs to be completed

THAT MEANS HERGILLA NEEDS YOU....lol

Now THAT'S an answer... lol

I'm not much in the way of programming, but if there is anything that you need in way of assistance - i.e. photoshop, flash or something along those lines - contact me and I'll ride shotgun with you...:cool:

[djboo]

THAT MEANS HERGILLA NEEDS YOU....lol

god dammit, thats the best news in a while.

some hints on what uve used and how uve been tweaking on these roms would be cool, im ready to get my mits on a working copy and if i can be involved in making it work would be awesomes, but my coding experience is mostly VB these days and my hacking was all back in the 680x0 days, so im really not sure where to start.

what would be awesome is something like old skool action replay - the ability to pause the os, search for values etc, find exactly where everything is. im guessing we CANT do that with visual studio like u can with projects u have the source for?

[mister-gwada97one]

hey, it's very low on a P3450 :(
No solution? And a last question, how to intall the v2 and the v3 ?

[cbass]

hey, it's very low on a P3450 :(
No solution? And a last question, how to intall the v2 and the v3 ?
Thanks for reading the thread.

[herg62123]

wonder twins activate......form of a pheniox
......form of a hugh fireball


ITS FLAME TIME!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[cp_kirkley]

Originally Posted by mister-gwada97one
hey, it's very low on a P3450
No solution? And a last question, how to intall the v2 and the v3 ?

Thanks for reading the thread.

Roflcopters.:D

[mbarvian]

Roflcopters.:D

wow haven't heard that one in a while lol

[cbass]

wonder twins activate......form of a pheniox
......form of a hugh fireball


ITS FLAME TIME!!!!!!!!!!!!!
HAHAHA, All I can think of is Sean William Scott saying "it's boner time!"

[aeratos]

what a hell what is this?> any guide how can install these files? v2 v3 or hergila folder pfff p

[djboo]

what a hell what is this?> any guide how can install these files? v2 v3 or hergila folder pfff p

v2 and v3 are for developers. to continue development. they arent for newbs. who cannot read THE FIRST post ;)

v1 with htc-ca drivers are the best youre gonna get for a little while...and its pretty but useless at the moment. stick with throttlelauncher for the moment till theres some further development with hergzillaaaah.

[aeratos]

A Ok Thx U For Fast Respon :) Soon Last Version>?> Any News? Only For Qvga

[mbarvian]

A Ok Thx U For Fast Respon :) Soon Last Version>?> Any News? Only For Qvga

if the 3d drivers get ported for vga devices, you could probably have manila right away, because I believe that the hardest part is getting manila on qvga devices, like the kaiser

[djboo]

if the 3d drivers get ported for vga devices, you could probably have manila right away, because I believe that the hardest part is getting manila on qvga devices, like the kaiser

i dont think any vga devices DONT have the drivers. fairly sure my universal had drivers, and the diamond/raphael do have drivers... and stuff like the ultimate9502 use different 3d - and have drivers.

[cp_kirkley]

wow haven't heard that one in a while lol

Yeah I like to bring it back every once and a while.. its still funny when used sparingly...;)

Herg, I dont know if you did this or not - but did you happen to keep a log of things you did? If so, I would say to drop it into the file so anyone who is inclined to try things out doesn't work over the same things twice.

[Gentox]

i dont think any vga devices DONT have the drivers. fairly sure my universal had drivers, and the diamond/raphael do have drivers... and stuff like the ultimate9502 use different 3d - and have drivers.
I hope you were right i have a Eten X500+ VGA and tried the .cab from loneranger but it did not work manilla doesn't even start.
Hope someone can help getting it to work on my vga device as it looks so good.:D

Greetings, Gentox.

[herg62123]

This is what i have so far.

the following files was pulled from different operators roms but it is a cab file of manila in them. Some of these cabs were created from comeone else, and some are from me.

WARNING THE FILES ARE VGA NOT QVGA TRY AT YOUR OWN RISK

Vodaphone Cab:
http://rapidshare.com/files/130492603/HTC_Manila_VODA.cab

Orange Cab:
http://rapidshare.com/files/130492900/HTC_Manila_Orange.cab

T-Mobile Cab made by TLR
http://theloanranger.romraid.com/tlr-manila-tmobile.cab

I am looking at these three files and trying to reverse engineer the files to make sure all dll's are needed to make sure it will run on most devices..

this is my first step before anything else is to come.

[fultotop]

I like to join in the conversion of this app, but I like to know what needs doing so I don't do things twice. I have a few questions below if anybody could answer them or point me to a thread.

Has anybody been able to get a response from the home button etc on a qvga device?

What scripts have already been altered apart from manila.lua to display the home screen etc?

Also does anybody know how the screen cords are generated in manila.m9 uses some big numbers for x, y & h cordinates?

[punkcell]

I just installed the t-mobile cabfile on my tilt, it installed ok, but couldn't launch.
just a update.

[l3v5y]

I just installed the t-mobile cabfile on my tilt, it installed ok, but couldn't launch.
just a update.


VGA NOT QVGA
The Tilt is QVGA.

[herg62123]

i haven't yet contacted chainfire about this yet but i am getting all dll files from various roms that is needed and see if the developer, who created kaiser drivers, can manipulate them to work on qvga devices.

more to follow soon

[jadephyre]

the QVGA Version works on my Himalaya, but only with 3.7FPS :D

[Gentox]

more to follow soon

Herg did you see this post (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=414861) i think it might help you to convert to qvga.

Just a thought, if you allready seen it i'm sorry.

[lennysh]

This is what i have so far.

the following files was pulled from different operators roms but it is a cab file of manila in them. Some of these cabs were created from comeone else, and some are from me.

WARNING THE FILES ARE VGA NOT QVGA TRY AT YOUR OWN RISK

Vodaphone Cab:
http://rapidshare.com/files/130492603/HTC_Manila_VODA.cab

Orange Cab:
http://rapidshare.com/files/130492900/HTC_Manila_Orange.cab

T-Mobile Cab made by TLR
http://theloanranger.romraid.com/tlr-manila-tmobile.cab

I am looking at these three files and trying to reverse engineer the files to make sure all dll's are needed to make sure it will run on most devices..

this is my first step before anything else is to come.Can you please also include the Phone related files req'd for this to run. I'd like to try it on the Axim which is not a phone. I can get the old one with the FPS showing in top left corner to run very slow, but these here will not boot. So I know it has diff files needed that are only on phones. I added some common ones, still no dice... Fixing to install one of these cabs now...

[herg62123]

Herg did you see this post (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=414861) i think it might help you to convert to qvga.

Just a thought, if you allready seen it i'm sorry.


yes i have. i saw it tonight and i am watching the thread at any given time.

this will really help when it comes to resizing the pics.

even so i still don't have all the dll files needed so i continue with the dll until this program is ready.

thank you for the heads up.

[mbarvian]

yes i have. i saw it tonight and i am watching the thread at any given time.

this will really help when it comes to resizing the pics.

even so i still don't have all the dll files needed so i continue with the dll until this program is ready.

thank you for the heads up.

sounds great herg, i know it must b difficult working on a kaiser. keep up the great work though

[herg62123]

sounds great herg, i know it must b difficult working on a kaiser. keep up the great work though

i have downloaded that app this mourning but have not had a chance to play with it yet.

hopefully this will help us out.

will try tonight this app.

[fearthereaper123]

Hey! Really looking forward to this! I got one question! Will this Manila include the YouTube client like the Touch Diamond does?

[jtoyz2]

Hey! Really looking forward to this! I got one question! Will this Manila include the YouTube client like the Touch Diamond does?

i think the main focus is to get it working first...then apps and stuff like youtube can follow later on...opera 9.5 and tomtom7 already work from diamond so im sure youtube shouldnt be so hard...main focus is hergilla to work

[herg62123]

i have been looking in a shipped but dumped rom for touch pro at&t version and i think i have found another clue on why we can't get manilla working.

this file contains a registration key to (HOPEFULLY) get manilla to work.

[kidnamedAlbert]

i have been looking in a shipped but dumped rom for touch pro at&t version and i think i have found another clue on why we can't get manilla working.

this file contains a registration key to (HOPEFULLY) get manilla to work.
too bad my wing has a shitty processor

[cbass]

!!! Herg, I think I might tell my girlfriend that she wants to kiss you because... well, if I wanted to, it would be a little opposing to both of our lifestyles.

Anything you want somebody to sacrifice a tilt to do? I gots me a company phone now, too.

[herg62123]

too bad my wing has a shitty processor

so does kaiser.....no d3d, ddraw drivers installed

i might as well kept my hermes cause it had correct drivers installed.

[kidnamedAlbert]

hmm well ill try once its positive that the reg key works.
or when this whole project is done (;

[herg62123]

hmm well ill try once its positive that the reg key works.
or when this whole project is done (;

i am not sure on what this file does but it has something to do with manila

[Gentox]

i am not sure on what this file does but it has something to do with manila

Hi herg i am trying to get manila to run on my X500+ but i can't get the new cab files to start.:(
I can run the old cab file but it's slow as we all know.:(
Because my device has a vga screen i should be able to run it without major problems except for the fps.
I tried the reg file but it doesn't seem to do much for me still does not start.
I also tried changing the new manila.exe with the old one and added the 2 dll's but no result.

Do you have any idea what it could be.

Greetings Gentox.

[orb3000]

can someone post some screenshots please!!

Cheers

[l3v5y]

i have been looking in a shipped but dumped rom for touch pro at&t version and i think i have found another clue on why we can't get manilla working.

this file contains a registration key to (HOPEFULLY) get manilla to work.
Just found that in the Diamond ROMs!

Attached is the Diamond version.

EDIT:
Looking at the Diamond version, it seems to imply the today screen DLL is in the windows folder. From that dll, we may be able to get more of the file paths.

EDIT2:
The Touch Pro version has the extra line:
<parm name="EnableLandscape" datatype="string" value="true"/>
Which would enable the extra features of the Touch Pro...

[da_mayhem]

I would love this to work :)

I found something over at the other forum posted this, i don't know if this should be on any help, but i find them interesting.

TouchFlo 3D Technologies (http://www.sanneblad.com/2008/08/05/touchflo-3d-technologies/)

[herg62123]

can someone post some screenshots please!!

Cheers

look at www.htc.com and look at the touch diamond or touch pro, then look at the touchflo3d interface screen. this is what we are tring to make for qvga screens.

[Gentox]

I would love this to work :)

I found something over at the other forum posted this, i don't know if this should be on any help, but i find them interesting.

TouchFlo 3D Technologies (http://www.sanneblad.com/2008/08/05/touchflo-3d-technologies/)

Nice find.:D

This is what is on the forum



If you are using a HTC Touch Diamond, you might be interested in what technologies HTC used to create their start page application TouchFlo 3D.

If you go to “Settings” and scroll down to “About” you will see a list of copyright notices from the various technologies used. This list however does not explain what the product does, and in some cases it does not even describe the full product name (e.g. the Vincent OpenGL ES renderer is listed as “OpenGL by Hans-Martin Will”.

Below I have “translated” the copyright notices on the HTC Touch Flo 3D About page into product names, and also added brief descriptions to the products taken from their home pages.

* Boost. (http://www.boost.org/). “Free peer-reviewed portable C++ source libraries.”
*Open source*
* FreeImage (http://freeimage.sourceforge.net/). “An Open Source library project for developers who would like to support popular graphics image formats like PNG, BMP, JPEG, TIFF and others as needed by today’s multimedia applications.”
*Open source*
* Lua (http://www.lua.org/) “Lua is a powerful, fast, light-weight, embeddable scripting language.”
*Open source*
* Luabind. (http://www.rasterbar.com/products/luabind.html) “Luabind is a library that helps you create bindings between C++ and Lua. It has the ability to expose functions and classes, written in C++, to Lua.”
*Open source*
* Vincent 3D Rendering Library. (http://www.vincent3d.com/Vincent3D/software/ogles1/ogles1.html) “This project maintains a compliant implementation of the OpenGL ES 1.1 API specification for mobile devices.”
Open source*
* STLport. (http://stlport.sourceforge.net/) “STLport is implementation of C++ Standard Library”
*Open source*
* Rapidxml. (http://rapidxml.sourceforge.net/). “RapidXml is an attempt to create the fastest XML parser possible, while retaining useability, portability and reasonable W3C compatibility.”
Open source*
* SWIG (http://www.swig.org/). “SWIG is a software development tool that connects programs written in C and C++ with a variety of high-level programming languages (such as Lua).”
Open source*
* BString.BString. (http://bstring.sourceforge.net/) “The Better String Library is an abstraction of a string data type which is superior to the C library char buffer string type, or C++’s std::string.”
Open source*

What I found most interesting in the above list is that HTC used the now discontinued Vincent renderer for 3D graphics instead of trying to get Direct 3D Mobile to work. I can only assume that this is to help HTC move their code base to other platforms such as Android in the near future ( which supports Open GL ES 1.0).


Very interresting i think, so i thought i post it here completely.

[molnitza]

I am looking for the background file, but I have not found it. Can anyone help?

[coness]

I've got a mogul/Titan i'd love to try as a final beta. Please let me know when/how i can help!

[herg62123]

the following .txt file contains the dll files needed, the ones that says path not found is the missing dll files i need to get manila working.

any help?????

[cbass]

http://hpcmonex.net/izemize.htm

that provide anything useful?

[mbarvian]

here you go herg, hope they can help. I dumped the diamond rom and got them, although some are missing, included libgmes_dll.dll, which we don't want

hope this will help, keep up the great work!

[Kraize]

Wow. I'm looking forward to herg now giving us TF3D on our QVGA devices :D This has honestly been a great month. Too bad school has to start tomorrow >.>

[CraZyLiLbOy]

I wonder how this looks like

[buupbup@yaho.com]

I think by the time this is done, itll be like throttlelauncher

[billington.mark]

I think by the time this is done, itll be like throttlelauncher

but 100x better

[killer_metallica]

Any update herg ?
I can't wait anymore !
You're doing a hard job mate.

If you need anything, let us know.:cool:

Thanks for your work

[ryomahino]

anybody see this video before???
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DvUCH50Dn6g

[thunda_chunky]

anybody see this video before???
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DvUCH50Dn6g

it looks like someone really jumped the gun on that. by which i mean, this was released before the current driver update was released by the htcclassaction site. i dont have a Kaiser (YET) but im wondering if that UI shown in the vid would run smoother with the update, even if it isnt final

[fearthereaper123]

it looks like someone really jumped the gun on that. by which i mean, this was released before the current driver update was released by the htcclassaction site. i dont have a Kaiser (YET) but im wondering if that UI shown in the vid would run smoother with the update, even if it isnt final

It does run smoother with the new drivers but its VGA so it doesnt work on the Kaiser. The only reason that guy got it to work is because he is running NYDITOT Virtual Display and i myself cant figure out how to run that, so i just removed it.

[Klong4]

I got that nyditot program to work on my touch, all you have to do is install from windows, go to the programs options set the resoution to 640x480 and set the zoom to 50%. since i have a elfin touch i cant test it with the drivers.

[herg62123]

the virtual display.....where did you get that from

[knownboyofno]

the virtual display.....where did you get that from

http://www.nyditot.com/Downloads.asp?ProductID=22 from here and it is payway but it has a trial period.

[djboo]

ive just tried nyditot + htc-ca drivers + tmob VGA manilla...result.

a white screen where today should be. try it not in 480x640...i get the 'touch here to start touchflo 3d'...it doesnt work tho.

EDIT: Later thoughts.

thinking about it, the fact that it works on the kaiser with software GL and res emulation pretty much proves that the only thing really stopping it work on kaiser is resolution, and falling short of a d3d/openGL compatable resolution emulation tool or the source for manilla, is there really much we can do? Do we really think HTC had the foresight to not hardcode the res? do they consider they might have better screens in the future? this IS HTC after all.

[djboo]

that idea is a no go anyways - just tried lights under nyditot - cant initialise d3d, exits...

ive got an idea for a solution but it needs the assistance of the HTC-CA coder/s - see the htc-ca thread for that.

[herg62123]

maybe not.....that just means the install has a file that htc-ca drivers has. we need to find out that file and correct it.

[Klong4]

i think that you need to use the same version of manilla as the guy in the video. i had it running with nyditot and the manila.1.0.0103.0.release.rar. but on an elfin touch

also make sure that you have libGLES_CM.dll in the program files/htc folder

[djboo]

maybe not.....that just means the install has a file that htc-ca drivers has. we need to find out that file and correct it.

im not following your logic... in qvga with htc-ca or reference (standard) driver, the app works, but gestures and clicks etc dont function as expected.

in emulated VGA, the htc-ca drivers dont function (as expected due to way emulated VGA works) but manilla un-moded functions PERFECTLY.

what i gather from this is that the gestures/clicks etc havent been reworked to QVGA, only the graphics have. i dont think we are fighting with missing dll's or anything like that, just a by product of running a VGA app in QVGA.

imagine it in reverse... if manilla was QVGA and we were porting to VGA. the current situation (if my theory is correct) would mean the app worked, but every click/gesture would have to be done in the top left 1/4 of the screen and would not be aligned to the graphics - this wouldnt be a major suprise at all.

[mbarvian]

yes i do agree with dbjoo

it appears to be a problem with the links, what if you resized the links by the same percentage as you resized the images?

[djboo]

i think that you need to use the same version of manilla as the guy in the video. i had it running with nyditot and the manila.1.0.0103.0.release.rar. but on an elfin touch

also make sure that you have libGLES_CM.dll in the program files/htc folder

i took for granted that nyditot would work with libGLES_CM.dll in the folder - that situation would gain me nothing - working app, speed of a donkey. unless nyditot can be forced to work with htc-ca, speed is going to be aweful and the app useless. it does help to prove a point tho

[Klong4]

imagine it in reverse... if manilla was QVGA and we were porting to VGA. the current situation (if my theory is correct) would mean the app worked, but every click/gesture would have to be done in the top left 1/4 of the screen and would not be aligned to the graphics - this wouldnt be a major suprise at all.

so what files is that information stored in and how do we edit it, ive been trying to figure it out all day.

[mbarvian]

here's a great post by Timb320:

This may have been done already so pardon question. There are obvously two main issues to resolve:

1) Performance

2) proper fit and finish for Qvga phones like the kiazer , I think this has allot of imact on why when you touch anywhare you get the calendar, because its not correctly sized.

Hence my question, have you guys looked at the configuration files for x, y, Top, Left settings and made sure they are correct for our Non diamond devices?? I bet Money that once those settings are corrected (along with Qvga images) then when you Touch the Mail Icon, you will get the Mail page and so on..

I looked at them briefly and of course there are many of these, but here is an example entry from the manila.m9 config file:

X="63232" Y="0" Width="65280" Height="65280"


And another example from home.m9:
machineStatus_OnDateChanged();" />
</Object>
<Object Type="GLESSprite2D">
<Property Type="String" Name="Name"
Animated="False" Value="Background" />
<Property Type="RectF" Name="UV"
Animated="False" X="0" Y="0" Width="122880"
Height="13312" />

I was thinking you could use a tool like the Address Book 3 Caller ID editor to figure this stuff out, Just thinking out loud, probably a better way.

THis work OK on my Kaizer but slow and clickable area isnt correct.

I'm not sure what is causing the slow rendering issue of course :)

[djboo]

yes i do agree with dbjoo

it appears to be a problem with the links, what if you resized the links by the same percentage as you resized the images?

is it as easy as that? i serious doubt it :( if its hardcoded, unless ur a legend with a disasembler or very very lucky with a hex editor, i dont think itll be easy to find where to change that sorta thing.

there is a vaige possibility that HTC have stored screen res in reg entry or similar - if thats true - once we find it, we probably will have a perfect manilla! :)

[djboo]

here's a great post by Timb320:

thats some good info there. the main issue is that the settings are in twips - and i beleive twips are resolution insensitive - as in they adapt to resolution.

for instance say 1024twips = 32pixels across on a QVGA, then itd be 64pixels across on a VGA screen - so i dont beleive just halving those numbers will fix it. however, its gotta be worth a go!

[mbarvian]

however, its gotta be worth a go!

that's what i was thinking :D

[djboo]

i think its simpler than i thought...im no LUA expert, but check out htc/scripts/manilla.lua - all the dragging stuff etc is there...

im certainly gonna get my hands dirty i think with this and the XML's - theres gotta be something here, but i should really retire now - gotta get up for work in less than 4 hours... typical that i find something to possibly make manilla to work after spending hours trying to do d3d in .net so i can clone manilla ;)

[mbarvian]

i think its simpler than i thought...im no LUA expert, but check out htc/scripts/manilla.lua - all the dragging stuff etc is there...

im certainly gonna get my hands dirty i think with this and the XML's - theres gotta be something here, but i should really retire now - gotta get up for work in less than 4 hours... typical that i find something to possibly make manilla to work after spending hours trying to do d3d in .net so i can clone manilla ;)

LOL

well, i just checked out all the .m9 files, and they have a lot of WIDTH/HEIGHT/Z values that might need to be halved, so it would take a long time changing all of them

good luck though!

[Dangerously]

LOL

well, i just checked out all the .m9 files, and they have a lot of WIDTH/HEIGHT/Z values that might need to be halved, so it would take a long time changing all of them

good luck though!

I am sure you could write a batch file that can change all the values for you... The right script can edit a whole file in no time! :)

[mbarvian]

I am sure you could write a batch file that can change all the values for you... The right script can edit a whole file in no time! :)

ooh, that sounds like a great idea!

[djboo]

I am sure you could write a batch file that can change all the values for you... The right script can edit a whole file in no time! :)

it being XML, it should take no time at all to code something, could probably make a tool that sets it up for square screens too.

[djboo]

i have fairly conclusive evidence that its resolution based :D

use the first ever release of manilla that came out - the one that was used in the nyditot video - replace the EXE with the HTC-CA patched one. we get the top left 1/4 of the screen - click the appointments soft tab...the buttons that ARE visible ARE usable!!!

[mbarvian]

i have fairly conclusive evidence that its resolution based :D

use the first ever release of manilla that came out - the one that was used in the nyditot video - replace the EXE with the HTC-CA patched one. we get the top left 1/4 of the screen - click the appointments soft tab...the buttons that ARE visible ARE usable!!!

whoo! this sounds like progress!

[fearthereaper123]

When all the imagesget resized and everything it should be working great.

[fb401]

i have fairly conclusive evidence that its resolution based :D
djboo,

correct me if i'm wrong but i thought the point of the thread we're in now was to further the work that started here:http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=363500. That thread started with guys just resizing images and rewriting scripts for QVGA screens.

[coness]

I am super excited bout this development, but is this gonna work on my titan/mogul?

Also, are the driver made by htcclassaction gonna work and improve performance on my titan/mogul?

tia

[mbarvian]

I am super excited bout this development, but is this gonna work on my titan/mogul?

Also, are the driver made by htcclassaction gonna work and improve performance on my titan/mogul?

tia

currently, this project and the htcclassaction.org are for the kaiser, but I would expect other devices targeted in the near feature :)

[djboo]

djboo,

correct me if i'm wrong but i thought the point of the thread we're in now was to further the work that started here:http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=363500. That thread started with guys just resizing images and rewriting scripts for QVGA screens.

tbh, ive been following this thread more than ive been following the other thread (ie, ive not really followed the other thread) - i probably need to investigate the other thread thoroughly.

as far as i can see, herg has been the main driving force behind getting manilla to work, but i could be wrong, but it was his cabs that got it working on my device first and then with HTC-CA drivers.

yes the idea is to continue to work of resizing/adjusting scripts - really we are down to one issue left i beleive and im trying to help discover what exactly that is, how exactly we need to resolve it and then to assist at the least in that process.

ill hopefully have some time later tonight to really get in deep with this which i havent had recently.

[mbarvian]

ill hopefully have some time later tonight to really get in deep with this which i havent had recently.

ooh, that sounds great, I can't wait to start cooking manila into my ROMs :D

[djboo]

oops. weird ye olde double post

[mbarvian]

oops. weird ye olde double post

lol :):):)

[fb401]

tbh, ive been following this thread more than ive been following the other thread (ie, ive not really followed the other thread) - i probably need to investigate the other thread thoroughly.

as far as i can see, herg has been the main driving force behind getting manilla to work, but i could be wrong, but it was his cabs that got it working on my device first and then with HTC-CA drivers.

yes the idea is to continue to work of resizing/adjusting scripts - really we are down to one issue left i beleive and im trying to help discover what exactly that is, how exactly we need to resolve it and then to assist at the least in that process.

ill hopefully have some time later tonight to really get in deep with this which i havent had recently.
Oh definitely, Herg is the one who's putting in ALOT of the work. I think my point is that even if we figure out the correct X & Y values (and I've just spent 2 hours trying to figure it out, hope my boss doesn't see this) for the calender and others, it's still going to run at 4-7fps and that's where Herg's work comes in.

[mbarvian]

Oh definitely, Herg is the one who's putting in ALOT of the work. I think my point is that even if we figure out the correct X & Y values (and I've just spent 2 hours trying to figure it out, hope my boss doesn't see this) for the calender and others, it's still going to run at 4-7fps and that's where Herg's work comes in.

umm, actually, I think that's where the HTCCA drivers come in :p

[fb401]

umm, actually, I think that's where the HTCCA drivers come in :p
That's my point. Until that development gets further along there's no point in digging into the scripts (unless you're the LUA or GLES coder Herg is looking for), but if you're masochist, then by all means do your thing.

[mbarvian]

has anyone just tried halving the values in the .m9 files?

[djboo]

That's my point. Until that development gets further along there's no point in digging into the scripts (unless you're the LUA or GLES coder Herg is looking for), but if you're masochist, then by all means do your thing.

thats your point? but erm...the HTC-CA drivers work...for both hergs version and the full VGA ones. not diamond speeds, but usable for sure. id say a minimum of 15 fps.

Now im not a LUA coder (just asp/php/vb/780x0 asm/c#/delphi/blitz ;) ) but i love learning new languages, from what ive seen of the manilla LUA scripts and my little PSP lua experience, it shouldnt be too hard to grasp.

[mbarvian]

thats your point? but erm...the HTC-CA drivers work...for both hergs version and the full VGA ones. not diamond speeds, but usable for sure. id say a minimum of 15 fps.

Now im not a LUA coder (just asp/php/vb/780x0 asm/c#/delphi/blitz ;) ) but i love learning new languages, from what ive seen of the manilla LUA scripts and my little PSP lua experience, it shouldnt be too hard to grasp.

that sounds good!

[djboo]

no promises, but ive finally got my head into this, and i think i may have something already, ill know in about 20 mins if im a) genius b) lucky c) barking up wrong tree or d) totally frigging wrong. im hoping for b, expecting d ;)

[herg62123]

look at this. it will help us out further.

Click Here (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=414861)

[djboo]

omg. ive got it working! no joke...its not flawless, but its working...

and i feel guilty because of how easy it was.

cant upload the damn thing tho, and i cant upload the damn thing to xdadev :(

herg - mind if i email u this file?

-------------------------------------

clarrification on 'got it working':
i can click a few of the buttons, and they do what u expect - mostly the missed calls and voice mail buttons - however , what ive done should apply everywhere.

[mbarvian]

omg. ive got it working! no joke...its not flawless, but its working...

and i feel guilty because of how easy it was.

cant upload the damn thing tho, and i cant upload the damn thing to xdadev :(

herg - mind if i email u this file?

no f*in way man, i don't believe it

[fb401]

thats your point? but erm...the HTC-CA drivers work...for both hergs version and the full VGA ones. not diamond speeds, but usable for sure. id say a minimum of 15 fps.Now we're close to saying the same thing. You had seemed to assert if we just edit the X, Y, Height & Width values that all will be right and it will be fully working; But until the HTCCA drivers are developed further (I never said they didn't work) and Herg continues his campaign for correct dlls & rewritten GLES files, along with whatever he needs in LUA files, this will not be a full fledged QVGA.

Now I'm not a LUA programmer either (just asp.net/c#/c++/vb/java/jscript/sql ;)) but I'm with you, let's crack open the LUA beginner's guide and get to work on helping hergzilla.

[mbarvian]

Now we're close to saying the same thing. You had seemed to assert if we just edit the X, Y, Height & Width values that all will be right and it will be fully working; But until the HTCCA drivers are developed further (I never said they didn't work) and Herg continues his campaign for correct dlls & rewritten GLES files, along with whatever he needs in LUA files, this will not be a full fledged QVGA.

Now I'm not a LUA programmer either (just asp.net/c#/c++/vb/java/jscript/sql ;)) but I'm with you, let's crack open the LUA beginner's guide and get to work on helping hergzilla.

idk, he just said he got it working, we'll stay tuned!

[djboo]

its not the lua. i wish it was - id feel like less of a fraud. its JUST the m9 files. u gotta be careful which ones u edit (these files work in the 2d world and the 3d world - change the 3d, u screw it up)

ive really done so very little... ill try and post my manilla m9 file here since i cant attatch it...
.....nope that doesnt work :(


ooh, think that works... if it has, extract to \program files\manilla\htc

id like to hear how u get on...

[Zack84a]

look at this. it will help us out further.

Click Here (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=414861)

hmmmnn I wonder if we resize all that we can to QVGA size, and then try to run, if we will have a bit more success...

Just read through that post, and they are coming up with some really nice themes...

[Timb320]

This is frikin Excitting seeing a discovery just around the corner...

As for the assert (being as I brought it up originally) I suspect this is ONLY Part of the solution. The other part is the on the graphics side.

On a Side note, even though the install I did had QVGA pngs's there were still what appeared to be VGA folders/graphics installed. Wonder (not having access to the manila.exe source code) what or IF it is hardcoded to ref these VGA specific files?

Just thinking out loud again.

[djboo]

i just went to write a little app to automate the changes i made so i can do it across all the m9 files very easily - ive managed to forget to install vb6/vs.net/blitz basic, dont have qbasic nor do i have access to an ASP/PHP web server. i feel naked.

[mbarvian]

i feel naked.

lol, that's a good one ;), that would be a great app, though!

[djboo]

have u tried this replacement file?i assume itll work on everyones version, but im never 100% about anything.

im also worried about herg going very quiet :( last thing i wanna do is steal his thunder. hes worked bloody tirelessly on this project. i know hes cheating and getting a touch pro ;) but this is still his baby...hell, its called HERGilla for a reason ;)

[mbarvian]

have u tried this replacement file?i assume itll work on everyones version, but im never 100% about anything.

im also worried about herg going very quiet :( last thing i wanna do is steal his thunder. hes worked bloody tirelessly on this project. i know hes cheating and getting a touch pro ;) but this is still his baby...hell, its called HERGilla for a reason ;)

lol yeah man, good job herg and djboo ;)

actually, im flashing a different rom because it's not working correctly on the rom I'm on now, so I'll try after the flashing finishes

[herg62123]

yes send it to me

[djboo]

i spend all day in horrible delphi, lovely asp/php/sql etc...yet my own machine has not a single scripting/programming tool. im disgraced with myself. id download VB6, but im on hsdpa connection and i wanna get sleep at SOME point this week ;)

im trying to get the scrolly bar dohicky thing working at moment. im still not 100% following the XML, so what im doing is a little bit stabby in the dark :(

im fairly sure my replacement XML has broken things i shouldnt have touched - i got all giggly excited when it worked and went doing loads more without really thinking about it.

[djboo]

yes send it to me

dude, i got it attached a few posts ago finally.

[Timb320]

So just to make sure I got this right, you are Changing only Width and Height under the -> Object Type= "GLESSprite2D" to :

Width="61184"
Height="65280"

? what else did you change?

[herg62123]

have u tried this replacement file?i assume itll work on everyones version, but im never 100% about anything.

im also worried about herg going very quiet :( last thing i wanna do is steal his thunder. hes worked bloody tirelessly on this project. i know hes cheating and getting a touch pro ;) but this is still his baby...hell, its called HERGilla for a reason ;)

i don't mind sharing the credit. we are all family here. by all means help me out please.

[djboo]

So just to make sure I got this right, you are Changing only Width and Height under the -> Object Type= "GLESSprite2D" to :

Width="61184"
Height="65280"

? what else did you change?

see why i feel guilty now? ;) ive just been halving the values. nothing scientific. nothing clever even. hell if i wasnt clever, i wouldnt keep chaning the same values and getting stuff thats 1/2 the size it should be ;)

[Timb320]

LOL :) I'm just about to be as guilty :) After all some of the great scientific discoveries are ussually by accident/Trial and error.

:)

[herg62123]

when you get this working i will throw a curve ball with a current version of manila from a touch pro rom.......he he he he he :eek: :D :D: eek:

[djboo]

im having no joy at all with anything other than what i started out with, but XML has always escaped me. i get it. i understand it. i beleive in it. it just hates me.

[djboo]

when you get this working i will throw a curve ball with a current version of manila from a touch pro rom.......he he he he he :eek: :D :D: eek:

how different is it?

[djboo]

the more i look at this, the more i think we are BLOODY close to having it working...when u click the appointments soft tab, and everything moves...the clicks still work. now ive NOT edited home.m9 before, meaning my changes in manilla.m9 have gone across everything - thats what i like... ;)

im gonna try and start from scratch (not like ive done a lot) and test more often - if i could remark the files some how, thatd make life easier - i could document each setting i change then.

[Timb320]

As for getting the right W/H numbers I was thinking of using Inesofts Skin Caller ID Generator to figure the correct numbers , you can check the "Show Align Rectangle and adjust for the area you need it to get the correct X Y.

Ah so this may only help for X Y #s.

Note THis tool is a free download at inesoft.com. Grab a skin and rename the *.cid to ZIP and extract , then open with this tool play around and take a look at the skin.ini output for the numbers - Or just note it on the UI screen..

I mean you could use this as guild where a Button is supposed to be

Or we need to build a similar tool for this project. :)

[mbarvian]

the more i look at this, the more i think we are BLOODY close to having it working...when u click the appointments soft tab, and everything moves...the clicks still work. now ive NOT edited home.m9 before, meaning my changes in manilla.m9 have gone across everything - thats what i like... ;)

im gonna try and start from scratch (not like ive done a lot) and test more often - if i could remark the files some how, thatd make life easier - i could document each setting i change then.

man, we are SO close!

[Timb320]

hmm :| So we dont even need to edit X and Y then.. :)

[djboo]

hmm :| So we dont even need to edit X and Y then.. :)

its doesnt look like it. ive just been playing around with that a little. and ive made the smaller clock (in appointment view) in the wrong place and very tiny. im slowly making hergilla look uglier and uglier ;)

herg: is it worth changing the first post - we now know we probably dont need any more DLL's...just someone who isnt retarded with XML files hehe.

[djboo]

here you go...progress at last!

weve finally got more than the home screen :D

[mbarvian]

here you go...progress at last!

weve finally got more than the home screen :D

ooh, trying now!

PROGRESS AT LAST!!!

[djboo]

ooh, trying now!

PROGRESS AT LAST!!!

this is pretty amazing - its a bit glitchy, but its working, some pages are still mahoosive, some are fine, some work, some dont, if u go to pictures it seems to break the bar... lots of stuff is right width, wrong height, emails the envelope is the right size...until it flies off the screen ;)

[mbarvian]

this is pretty amazing - its a bit glitchy, but its working, some pages are still mahoosive, some are fine, some work, some dont, if u go to pictures it seems to break the bar... lots of stuff is right width, wrong height, emails the envelope is the right size...until it flies off the screen ;)

yes, but we're so close man, thank you for your hard work and contribution :D

[djboo]

yes, but we're so close man, thank you for your hard work and contribution :D

im glad i can finally give something back to the scene that ive leeched from for years and years! this is my first contribution since a bunch of lame crap start menu replacement on my spv200!

herg is the man thats done the majority of the work - without his hard work i wouldnt have anything to tweak.

[maxniper]

im glad i can finally give something back to the scene that ive leeched from for years and years! this is my first contribution since a bunch of lame crap start menu replacement on my spv200!

herg is the man thats done the majority of the work - without his hard work i wouldnt have anything to tweak.

Thank you for your hard work.
i have tested now on a Trinity and is working ;)

[djboo]

im starting to get the hang of this...shame ive gotta hit the sack very soon :( - i really hope herg or someone can continue this in my absence.

anyways - have a half fixed weather :D

[djboo]

Thank you for your hard work.
i have tested now on a Trinity and is working ;)

any chance of a screenshot?

[maxniper]

will take now ;)

[djboo]

herg: the base version we are working from - is it supposed to have a black bg or a white one? theres a change that makes sense but it makes the bg black...i keep assuming this is wrong...but its just occured to me it might not be!

[djboo]

will take now ;)

cool cool...just as ugly there as it is here ;) - does the trinity have a 3d accell ? ive never heard of the trinity before.

[maxniper]

djboo@
i have installed this cab herg62123_ericmcintire_nothrills_qvga_manila.cab and then replaced the m9 files with your's.
have i to replace some dll files too?

[maxniper]

cool cool...just as ugly there as it is here ;) - does the trinity have a 3d accell ? ive never heard of the trinity before.

i think not

[djboo]

i think not

to find out if there IS 3d accell, rename the \program files\manilla\liblgescm.dll to .dlltemp

[maxniper]

to find out if there IS 3d accell, rename the \program files\manilla\liblgescm.dll to .dlltemp

after renamed to temp it doesn't work lol

[djboo]

after renamed to temp it doesn't work lol

then you dont ;) - rename it back!

[maxniper]

hihi is done

[djboo]

im currently going thru a very painful and slow try changing a setting...copy to fone, test, quit - and undo if it breaks things... progress is slow but sure... once i get the bar being sensible, im quitting... its 3.20, ive got work at 8.00