Schap's new ROMs interface unveiled!! - New video demos

[Androol]

I donated the amount I feel fitting for just the Advanced config tool.

I have gotten the emails, and signed up for the forum and all that, one lead-on after another.

I felt Schap's was legit because of the nice tools he developed.

What I can't understand is the motivation for stringing along the touchxpeirience thing. I try reading between the lines of his announcements, and it really seems like some kind of gimmick or phishing scheme at this point.

The announcements only re-pique interest, but offer nothing but excuses, and by now Schap's is well aware that he can't predict when a beta will be finished, and that by continually doing so he only breeds disappointment. So the question is why? I'm sorry, but the only motivations for this I can think of are negative. I know there was a push to sign up for the forum to get your hands on a public and a private beta, which never came. Why?

Also, we all have computer problems its true. However, I would expect a talented developer (such as Schap's) to know to back things up and also not be so hampered by technical problems. Either Schap's is extremely unlucky and slow to learn, or the technical problems are made up excuses.

I think Schap's is smart, talented, and must have something in mind, whether its completing touchxperience or not is a mystery.

I'm sure this is going to set this thread on fire, but I just wanted to get it out there, because its something I've been wondering about.
:confused:

[cbass]

How many more times do you want the poor guy to have to read your comments and apologize? He has given over a year of his life to the project, and sacrificed his marriage because of the project, and for what ? How many of you have actually donated ? What do you seriously think he has made in donations ?

How many of you use Advanced Config ? thousands ? If that app came from MS or Adobe or such it would cost you all $20 or more a piece. I will bet maybe 10% of the people that use that app actually donated. Yet he keeps updating it and improving it.

Unfortunately this community is about 20% givers and about 80% takers. So until you have given even half of what schaps has given to this community, why don' t you all just shut up , because I seriously doubt that any of you , on this page or the last few have given a dime to this project, to Advance Config, or any of the other roms and apps you have taken from this community.
I've donated before, and I will do it again. I always do it anonymously if that is possible, and I refuse to donate to somebody without them having done something already that positively effected me. I am not paying you to develop for me, I am paying you to compensate for what you were willing to put in of your own accord. If/when Julien releases touchxperience, and I use it, he will see money from me... but I doubt he will release it before we all move on to a bigger/better device or OS version (7 vs 6.5/6.1), let alone release it at all.

My main problem here is the apparent lacking on Julien's part. His website is abandoned, his last update here was last year, and he has done nothing to make up to the people who donated specifically for this project. I feel he owes those donators an update, a product, or a refund. I am not owed anything, but the people who are out money need something done for them by Julien. He has their money, they have nothing to show for it. Seems pretty simple to me. I can only hope he does it, and one of those people who donated share the outcome with the rest of us.

[cione]

Let me know if you need help testing the interface also

[denco7]

I am sorry if I am trivializing the hundreds of thousands of dollars you invested in this project. What I am saying is that investors and banks invest thousnds of dollars everyday in new projects and new businesses. Some succeed and some fail miserably. It is the way things go.

Bernie Madoff bilked his investors out of 50 billion dollars, people lost their life savings to this man, their whole retirement. You people gave what, 10, 20, 40 dollars to schaps ? Well guess what he gave a year of his life and his personal life to you trying to make this work. Well guess what it didn't work. Forty dollars is a lot to you ? Well it is a lot to me too, but I give at least a dollar everyday to the homeless people I pass on the street and expect nothing from them.

So he promised some fantastic results and couldn't deliver and now you are out $ 20 well he is out over a year of his life, among the other things in his life, trying to deliver for you all.

He has done has made some great contributions to this community. And I doubt he is rolling in the dough for all that he has done. He deserves the benefit of the doubt. So this time he failed and you that have financed a year of his life for $20 , have nothing to show for it. .........oh well............you lost 10, 20, 40 dollars ? He lost a lot more, and now you are all publicly pissing on him. Why do I feel that he would gladly trade $40 for his life back. Keep things in perspective.
.......................................I just sayin...................................

[blaker13]

Im sorry thats how you feel, but honestly i feel schap's did nothing to his life by doing any of this? Are you personell friends with Julian, or your just guessing that everything he said was the truth? And to be honest he made a fortune of donations here.... Im not trying to be rude or whatever but... you cant do what he did and not even post a reply or a "sorry" and not get torched for it. When you dont even give a update.... That shows even less respect.

[deepthroat]

well I think all has been said and done ...let us move on - let this be a history, whatever it was

[cbass]

I am sorry if I am trivializing the hundreds of thousands of dollars you invested in this project. What I am saying is that investors and banks invest thousnds of dollars everyday in new projects and new businesses. Some succeed and some fail miserably. It is the way things go.

Bernie Madoff bilked his investors out of 50 billion dollars, people lost their life savings to this man, their whole retirement. You people gave what, 10, 20, 40 dollars to schaps ? Well guess what he gave a year of his life and his personal life to you trying to make this work. Well guess what it didn't work. Forty dollars is a lot to you ? Well it is a lot to me too, but I give at least a dollar everyday to the homeless people I pass on the street and expect nothing from them.

So he promised some fantastic results and couldn't deliver and now you are out $ 20 well he is out over a year of his life, among the other things in his life, trying to deliver for you all.

He has done has made some great contributions to this community. And I doubt he is rolling in the dough for all that he has done. He deserves the benefit of the doubt. So this time he failed and you that have financed a year of his life for $20 , have nothing to show for it. .........oh well............you lost 10, 20, 40 dollars ? He lost a lot more, and now you are all publicly pissing on him. Why do I feel that he would gladly trade $40 for his life back. Keep things in perspective.
.......................................I just sayin...................................
Investors are needed when there are things to invest in. Materials need investing, machinery needs investing, employees need investing. Three things that are the biggest cost of a small business starting up, none of which were necessary. You don't start a business without the reasonable expectation of personal cost, which is what you're acting he is owed. Something makes me think France has a welfare system should he be that bad off.

I've spent 5 years of my life trying to find a way to trim polar bear claws using only my housekey and laptop. Please send donations via paypal. It's not my fault it will never see mass consumption or release, I spent my time on it and I recieved 4 speeding tickets and lost my license due to this project. And really, what's $20 to you?
See how stupid that sounded?

[biscuits1978]

Overall, the point is is that the majority of people on here don't feel like they're owed the ROM that Schap has been working on, they just either want progress or an announcement that things have been suspended. I don't see either, and neither do others. Hence the complaints!

You can cry about the bad line of events that has impacted Schap, and everyone's had their 'I hate my f-ing life' moments. 9 times out of 10, its usually the person's fault for making the wrong decisions (please note that its not everyone, just most). BUT if I have issues with life, I don't expect people in a forum to help bail me out. Man up and take care of business yourself.

As for me, I'm not going to pretend I know what happened to Schap, and I'm definitely not going to play referee to determine if his crap-hitting-the-fan moments were his fault. I'm not in these forums to evaluate people's lives.

That whole line about donating for Advanced Config? Yeah, its a great tool and does many good things. For me, it happens to be one of those tools that is cooked into ROMs -- that's how I came across it. And I figure if Schap didn't develop it, someone else would have (KaiserTweak does all the stuff I need, so I have 2 options). I appreciate the work that was put into it, but I'm not going to substitute that work for the work he started for TouchXperience.

I don't think Schap wanted to start fights over this thread, especially over a product that was supposed to be revolutionary. All I asked for a week ago was to just close the thread. It's not doing any good to keep this thread open, except allow others to 'vent'. If you want to vent -- make a blog, go do some Tai Chi, shoot a hand gun at a practice range, or invest in a punching bag.

I'm done wasting my time in this thread.:D

[Inmortal]

delete......

[silasrye]

don't ever delete this thread. I love it. It has a life of its own.

[schen]

Look...the first time he showed you all the videos in JUNE 2008, he said he already worked on the project for 4 or 6 months already. In about a month it will be a year since that posting? Right. That is about 1 1/2 years of development? Who actually have tested the Alpha ROM? NONE? Even Microsoft cannot keep their Alpha OS being leaked out. If you believe Schaps can really prevented the leak of his Alpha ROM that he claim has been going on with some selected alpha tester then you must be very naive. His last statement about "having to dissasembler system components.." raised my eyebrows. Software developers rarely need to dissasembler system components, hackers and crackers do.....

Let it go guys...face it. Schaps just did a BIG mistake. That is all. He got an idea. A BIG one after the Touchflow release. It is so big that he had to ask for a donation to fund his project. He failed. The mistake? He should not involve you guys at this earlier stage at all. Ofcourse I would love it if he can prove me wrong. One thing I want to clarify here is that I said nothing about scam, I just think he made a BIG mistake.

Schaps already DIED here. He went too far there is no turning back. He might have enjoying posting here with others nick by now.......so LET HIM GO. There will NEVER be any TouchXperience ever...

[cbass]

I remembered reading there was an update coming in the next week... over a week ago.

Now his website is down.

:(

[soulbandaid]

October thirty-first.


TouchXperience beta already started, but at the moment I have to solve some critical problems, I will provide a new build to all private beta testers, Touch Pro/Diamond this week-end and Kaiser next week-end. Then I plan to send a preview to all donators (few days later if there is no major issue) to thank them for their contribution. Finally I will launch public beta once it will be ready, normally one week after private beta. Don't expect it to be perfect, I am working since several weeks to fix all bugs and I still have a lot to do. I distribute TouchXperience builds progressively to get a more efficient feedback and bug tracking.

""

"Everytime I tried to develop some stuffs exclusively for my ROMs, others tried to hack them to put them into their own ROMs without any approval. This is also a reason why I decided not to provide any CAB at the moment, I want others to take credits and to spoil a whole year of work." I will work on a more generic version, compatible with more devices and ROMs, and I will provide TouchXperience as a simple CAB when I will be able to do it.[/B]

[cbass]

His website is back up. Pertinent link below.
http://forum.touchxperience.com/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=156&start=20

[soulbandaid]

Its out!
This beta tester posted a bug with a cab. http://forum.touchxperience.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=168

[cbass]

Its out!
This beta tester posted a bug with a cab. http://forum.touchxperience.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=168
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha. Awesome.

I also just read this on there:
the question what happens now is still happening i just hope one day he comes out and gives us a big bang of a rom , maybe the guy that donated him a computer is helping him out with this project we have to wait and see :idea: :idea: :idea: :idea: :idea: :ugeek:



Well, I'm the guy... (and thanks Dynomite for your message on XDA when I sent a new computer to Julien .. in september).
I'm really sorry to tell you that I'm not working on.
I'm also too disapointed to call Julien.
Wait & See

Somebody should contact his local news. It might be the kick in the ass it takes to get him to either finish or refund the people who donated.

[IronManDS]

Jesus people! Get over it!!

He is not the first person to take someone else's money and he won't be the last.

J

[senet666]

looks great !

[webpatrick]

Why are u people so impatient, and rude, Schapman allready delivered us a very usefull application, wich we probably all use (Advanced Config), but didn't thank him for it.

If we would all be a bit more positive, Schapman probably would enjoy it a lot more working on TouchXperience.

Schapman keep up the good work... (if your still at it)

[jor3l]

seems like he is a real developer.. just take year to make something lol.. here another site.. http://julien.schapman.free.fr/freepdf2fax/

[OndraSter]

jor3l:
When you haven't tried something - don't talk about it. Making (programming) completely new today plugin (or however it was supposed to work) is pretty hard thing and when you're only one on it, year is actually fast on it if you don't want to release it with thousand of bugs.
Manilla is still in develompent.. how long? And how many people work on it? ;)

[ahmitoo]

I have great respect for you all and especially Julien but that for several years that I make donations. NOTHING NOTHING NOTHING. If the project is abandoned let me know.:mad:

The site has not been updated since Monday, 02 February 2009 12:44:mad:

What's more, the new HTC came out with android where development is largely simple:mad:

Excuse my English:)

[biscuits1978]

jor3l:
When you haven't tried something - don't talk about it. Making (programming) completely new today plugin (or however it was supposed to work) is pretty hard thing and when you're only one on it, year is actually fast on it if you don't want to release it with thousand of bugs.
Manilla is still in develompent.. how long? And how many people work on it? ;)

Wow - I'm really tired of hearing people compare this project with other UIs/apps that are actually OUT in the PUBLIC. Programmer or not, there are much better ways to approach pumping up your project for support.

It's a simple solution to this whole BS story: Show the public progress. Then you will have people donate without bitching because they see work being done. Don't ask people to donate, THEN give out a 'private' beta to those that blindly donated, then get on a soap box and bad-mouth those that keep asking for an update on this project.

Seeing a part of the e-mail that Schaps sent out to 'private beta testers' about how he's upset about all of the negative comments in this thread...I'm sorry, I just don't have a bleeding heart for that.

If he truly does not have the time to at least show the progress that has been done, then one of the 'private beta testers' should be doing this. That way the developer can concentrate on 'developing' and the other person can communicate what's being done and get additional support.

I hate being negative towards anyone who has the balls to make something innovative for our phones. However, I have no hesitation to show lack of respect to those that provide nothing to the hand that feeds them.

[stylez]

I hate being negative towards anyone who has the balls to make something innovative for our phones. However, I have no hesitation to show lack of respect to those that provide nothing to the hand that feeds them.

Sitting on the fence about this as i see both sides but the one thing would like to say is nobody makes a living out of XDA yeah peeps may have donated but doubt he got a Jaguar XJ-S out of it & considering the ammount of time spent by Devs on projects the return except self gratification is very small.

So letz just get over it history dito.......

[ljinsane]

I donated...I waited...I grew impatient....never recieved a beta version....I have moved on...by the time he DOES get this out M$ will have put out WM7....and we know how far long that is....:cool:

as another poster said....there will never be a touch experienced released

[soulbandaid]

It's beyond him just taking donations. The secret beta was a scam to milk more donations out of people. He's still around unless someone else has admin on his forums. I posted a prank post on the site that disappeared. I half suspect that the people who speak up for him on here and in the other forum on his site are aliases.

[IronManDS]

Sitting on the fence about this as i see both sides but the one thing would like to say is nobody makes a living out of XDA yeah peeps may have donated but doubt he got a Jaguar XJ-S out of it & considering the ammount of time spent by Devs on projects the return except self gratification is very small.

So letz just get over it history dito.......

Under typical scenarios, I would agree with you 100%. However, theft is theft is theft is theft. If I were to, say, go around saying I needed money to pay for my daughter's cancer treatment and people gave me money, that would be awesome and I'm sure they would not expect anything in return. If, however, my daughter did not have cancer or I didn't even have a daughter, those people who gave me money would be rightfully pissed. And, no matter how you look at it, I would be a thief.

I see no difference under this Schap scenario. He said he wanted/needed money to help complete a project. He said that those who donated would receive a private beta copy. He either did not complete it or completed it and kept for himself. This is NOT the same thing as folks like TPC or abu who get donations for their constant, selfless work. There's just no way to polish the Schap's turd.

I liked his stuff while he was legit. But, in my book, he's a thief and I wouldn't trust him with $1.00 of mine. He is forever worthless, in my eyes, and he best start using a fake name should he ever attempt to jump into the scene again. Even if he were this great programmer who achieved Bill Gates-like status in the nerd circles, this will forever ruin his name, IMO. And, he's gone out of his way to damn-well deserve it. I say let the trash settle were it belongs and I'll just sit back and wait and see if he has the balls to show his face 'round these parts again.

Again, I'm $.02 poorer.....

J

(A little harsh, perhaps. However, I cannot stand dishonesty! It is truly my pet peeve.)

[denco7]

Under typical scenarios, I would agree with you 100%. However, theft is theft is theft is theft. If I were to, say, go around saying I needed money to pay for my daughter's cancer treatment and people gave me money, that would be awesome and I'm sure they would not expect anything in return. If, however, my daughter did not have cancer or I didn't even have a daughter, those people who gave me money would be rightfully pissed. And, no matter how you look at it, I would be a thief.

I see no difference under this Schap scenario. He said he wanted/needed money to help complete a project. He said that those who donated would receive a private beta copy. He either did not complete it or completed it and kept for himself. This is NOT the same thing as folks like TPC or abu who get donations for their constant, selfless work. There's just no way to polish the Schap's turd.

I liked his stuff while he was legit. But, in my book, he's a thief and I wouldn't trust him with $1.00 of mine. He is forever worthless, in my eyes, and he best start using a fake name should he ever attempt to jump into the scene again. Even if he were this great programmer who achieved Bill Gates-like status in the nerd circles, this will forever ruin his name, IMO. And, he's gone out of his way to damn-well deserve it. I say let the trash settle were it belongs and I'll just sit back and wait and see if he has the balls to show his face 'round these parts again.

Again, I'm $.02 poorer.....

J

(A little harsh, perhaps. However, I cannot stand dishonesty! It is truly my pet peeve.)

Dave ,...Josh.....Jimmy.........and all .......

This thread really no longer serves any purpose and should be locked. I know I am sick of reading it and sick of seeing it on the first page taking up space, Because I know that when I click on it , it will be another opinion that serves no purpose to this forum.

I t should be locked and reopened upon request by Julien or closed and archived as an example of big dreams not attained.

Is there a reason, that you all feel is a benefit to the forum, to keep this thread open for comment after comment ?

Julien has been called everything from a poor guy who lost everything outreaching his grasp to the Bernie Madoff of XDA. And compared to everything from the main character in a Greek Tragedy to the anti Christ.

I for one just think it is time to stop.

[IronManDS]

Dave ,...Josh.....Jimmy.........and all .......

This thread really no longer serves any purpose and should be locked. I know I am sick of reading it and sick of seeing it on the first page taking up space, Because I know that when I click on it , it will be another opinion that serves no purpose to this forum.

I t should be locked and reopened upon request by Julien or closed and archived as an example of big dreams not attained.

Is there a reason, that you all feel is a benefit to the forum, to keep this thread open for comment after comment ?

Julien has been called everything from a poor guy who lost everything outreaching his grasp to the Bernie Madoff of XDA. And compared to everything from the main character in a Greek Tragedy to the anti Christ.

I for one just think it is time to stop.

I'm not trying to bust your balls about this and please don't take it that way. But, I'm not so sure that the inconvenience to you of either (1) having to see it on p1 or (2) being compelled to read each post outweighs forum members' "right" to speak their mind on a particular issue. (And, yes, I'm aware that free speech doesn't apply to forums such as these, etc.) If this thread is so objectionable to you personally, there's a simple cure: Stay out of it.

I do, however, see your point. This has gotten long in the tooth and, at this point, most posts (mine included) tend to be rehashed thoughts with common thought threads. Perhaps it is time to move on. Then again, perhaps not. As I am sure you know, most things worthy of comment, tend to receive comments. Most things which are not, tend to die a natural death without intervention. I say let it live or die of its own free will, or lack thereof. But, I'm not about to say that your input on the topic is without value. Nor should you say that about anyone else's.

Just my $.02.

J

[rkub]

I'm not trying to bust your balls about this and please don't take it that way. But, I'm not so sure that the inconvenience to you of either (1) having to see it on p1 or (2) being compelled to read each post outweighs forum members' "right" to speak their mind on a particular issue. (And, yes, I'm aware that free speech doesn't apply to forums such as these, etc.) If this thread is so objectionable to you personally, there's a simple cure: Stay out of it.

I do, however, see your point. This has gotten long in the tooth and, at this point, most posts (mine included) tend to be rehashed thoughts with common thought threads. Perhaps it is time to move on. Then again, perhaps not. As I am sure you know, most things worthy of comment, tend to receive comments. Most things which are not, tend to die a natural death without intervention. I say let it live or die of its own free will, or lack thereof. But, I'm not about to say that your input on the topic is without value. Nor should you say that about anyone else's.

Just my $.02.

J

Not saying that anyone's input is without value but this serves no purpose for the true reason behind the site... We're all trying to work/play w/ our phones not watch a soap opera in which some people DONATED money and are not satisfied w/ the return, or lack thereof... No 1 was forced to give money and no contract was ever signed... I'm sorry but you're SOL, please just let it go... He gave us a few great things that many of us still use, if you feel the need to continue, please berate him at his own website... Sorry, but that's my $.02...

[IronManDS]

He gave us a few great things that many of us still use, if you feel the need to continue, please berate him at his own website... Sorry, but that's my $.02...

HA! Damn, I like that one! :)

Again, I don't disagree with your point. And, I'm happy to put it to rest on my end.

Good times....

J

[msd24200]

Sitting on the fence about this as i see both sides but the one thing would like to say is nobody makes a living out of XDA yeah peeps may have donated but doubt he got a Jaguar XJ-S out of it & considering the ammount of time spent by Devs on projects the return except self gratification is very small.

So letz just get over it history dito.......

so true brother well said.

Dave ,...Josh.....Jimmy.........and all .......

This thread really no longer serves any purpose and should be locked. I know I am sick of reading it and sick of seeing it on the first page taking up space, Because I know that when I click on it , it will be another opinion that serves no purpose to this forum.

I t should be locked and reopened upon request by Julien or closed and archived as an example of big dreams not attained.

Is there a reason, that you all feel is a benefit to the forum, to keep this thread open for comment after comment ?

Julien has been called everything from a poor guy who lost everything outreaching his grasp to the Bernie Madoff of XDA. And compared to everything from the main character in a Greek Tragedy to the anti Christ.

I for one just think it is time to stop.

i agree close thread until further notice.

[anagarika]

I hope Dave or Josh close this too.

[Twistedme]

lol this thing is the thread that never dies.
night of the living not so new rom interface.
yes I 3rd the vote even though its fun to see come back and back it needs to be buried and closed.

[-888-]

Even if he didn't delivered his new interface in a "timely fashion" yet (don't forget: he still might finish it), no one has any rights to call him a thief :mad: It's not like he stole anything. If you donated you did it yourself on your own will. He didn't promise any "delivery date" nor deadline when his project will be ready, did he?
It might as well turn out lame turkey that will never be finished - and still it won't make him any thief. Get a grip, folks (some of yous).

Please close this thread.
It no longer serves it's purpose and is slowly turning into bashing thread.

[soulbandaid]

Even if he didn't delivered his new interface in a "timely fashion" yet (don't forget: he still might finish it), no one has any rights to call him a thief :mad: It's not like he stole anything. If you donated you did it yourself on your own will. He didn't promise any "delivery date" nor deadline when his project will be ready, did he?
It might as well turn out lame turkey that will never be finished - and still it won't make him any thief. Get a grip, folks (some of yous).

Please close this thread.
It no longer serves it's purpose and is slowly turning into bashing thread.

I think it should be moved to kaiser general. Read all of shaps posts in this thread in order, it will give you some ideas for good cons. He milked people for donations by promising them goods and perks based on the amount they donated. It's a good read, you all should try it, really. Search this thread for all posts by shaps.Its really obvious reading through his posts what happened and how he conned this forum. This thread should stay open to continue the bashing as a warning to those who visit these forums both those who would con, and those that might be conned.

Con man is a better describes what shaps did.
This thread is no longer about rom development, but it does tell the story of an individual that abused these forums, and as such deserves to stay open.
Lets move it to kaiser general.

[ahmitoo]

Hi guys,

you've forgotten:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D

we come we come we come with a release

[ahmitoo]

Hi guys,
:)
you've forgotten:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D

we come we come we come with a release:eek::eek:

[-888-]

I think it should be moved to kaiser general. Read all of shaps posts in this thread in order, it will give you some ideas for good cons. He milked people for donations by promising them goods and perks based on the amount they donated. It's a good read, you all should try it, really. Search this thread for all posts by shaps.Its really obvious reading through his posts what happened and how he conned this forum. This thread should stay open to continue the bashing as a warning to those who visit these forums both those who would con, and those that might be conned.

Con man is a better describes what shaps did.
This thread is no longer about rom development, but it does tell the story of an individual that abused these forums, and as such deserves to stay open.
Lets move it to kaiser general.

Honestly I don't know, but you may be right (I hope not).
It is always very difficult to figure out someone's intentions just from their "cold" emotionless posts, specially when the language they post in, is not that person's mothertongue.
Time will tell (or it already did ;-) )