WM6.1 standard rom?

[fzzyrn]

I've posted a thread about installing standard on a ppc.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=2308611#post2308611

Its been proven that you can install professional on a smartphone. I was wondering if you could do it the other way around.

Ivan, Itje, Papamopps, ttran, other cooks- any ideas?

[madcow_mda]

you would obviously be missing the touchscreen, so what;s the point?

[fzzyrn]

if your touchscreen is broken, you can't get past the alignment screen

[madcow_mda]

but usually the touchscreen gets broken together with the screen itself, so you'd need a repair anyway.

Plus I think that wm6 prof's touchscreen ability really adds a lot of extra usability, so i would always get it repaired.
anyway, i was asking what is the point of trying to get prof on a wm6 standard device? you would miss the touchscreen so you are missing out on a lot of functionality, plus a lot of programs are completely not designed to not use the screen, thus leading to excessive key presses

[JLine05]

but usually the touchscreen gets broken together with the screen itself, so you'd need a repair anyway.

Plus I think that wm6 prof's touchscreen ability really adds a lot of extra usability, so i would always get it repaired.
anyway, i was asking what is the point of trying to get prof on a wm6 standard device? you would miss the touchscreen so you are missing out on a lot of functionality, plus a lot of programs are completely not designed to not use the screen, thus leading to excessive key presses

Actually, I have seen a wings touchscreen go bad without damage to the physical screen.

Also, while there would be more keypresses, there would also be an added benefit of using more powerful programs if one could get pro on their smartphone device.

So, yeah, going to have to disagree with you twice there...

[fzzyrn]

Jline, i assume you mean smartphone on your pro device. Anyway, theoretically, everything WOULD run faster, depending on the kind of pull the program wants.

I personally would like it because i find the wm pro interface a bit clunky and slow and i don't want to install all kind of software that ultimately makes it slower.

[fzzyrn]

okey dokey! got some info from l3v5y about this

he says you can cook a rom with smartphone's core and oem and ppc's sys folders. The trick is, i believe, to use a core from a device that has a qvga screen. That would mean a wings or a juno (both have slideout keyboards and the wings is practically in ppc configuration anyway. the juno doesnt have the number pad, though, which the wings does)

[Doctor | Maddox]

...this could mean Neo on the Wing! haha That would be pretty amazing. :D

[ivanmmj]

hmm... just the idea of Neo might make me actually create this ROM... I was thinking of creating a phone less one, as well... for people who have a broken radio or don't have it with a provider and want it as a PDA. But of course... I'm already in more projects that I have time to work on... Which reminds me... I haven't finished my application to the university I'm transfering to next semester.... umm... yea...

[Doctor | Maddox]

I can see this project as easily achieveable..but how would rotation work? That is one thing that baffles me. This should definietly be taken somewhere. I'd lose my touchscreen for neo...maybe. Or someday get a Shadow 2. hm..:D

[fzzyrn]

well, the HTC wings (fittingly) is a smartphone with essentially kaiser hardware with a slideout keyboard.

I'd gladly lose the touchscreen for ease of use.

maybe one of the junior rom cooks (the ones that are still in high school) can help us!

[Doctor | Maddox]

I would so help...if I knew how to cook. :D But I don't.

What good is a summer with nothing to do?

[fzzyrn]

Theoretically, it's easy. Theoretically. The theoretically bit is the reason why i don't do it myself.

THEORETICALLY, what you do is you take a standard rom, extract it into SYS, OEM, and XIP and do the same with a herald rom. Then you can take the OEM from the herald, the sys from the smartphone, and port the smartphone's XIP to the herald.

Seems simple, right? Ivan seems to be the resident expert on this. It's a shame he's so busy

[fzzyrn]

UPDATE!
I just tried to cook myself such a rom.
TOTAL EPIC FAILURE

for some reason, my pc has this aversion to extracting roms via hypercore so i have to do it manually. bah.

Oh also, XIP hates me

[Doctor | Maddox]

That scares me. As easy as it sounds...I would like to not destroy my Wing in the process. haha

[fzzyrn]

as long as your wing is hard spl'd destroying it is harder than cooking itself

no worries there, i'm just clueless

[Midian]

that would be pretty cool.

i would like to have this style for the today/home screen:
http://images.thoughtsmedia.com/resizer/thumbs/size/500/spt/auto/1207074645.usr8.jpg

just adding touch functionality to it. and a sliding motion to go accross emails, texts, etc would be nice too.

there is also something else i want to see done....a few things actually:
1)A hardware mod for the Wing adding an accelerometer to it
-you know that would be pretty amazing to have one on the Wing

2)Another hardware mod with a front camera installed for video calling
-that would be perfect. the select button on the d-pad can act as a vanity mirror so you can make sure they can see you.

3)A ROM with touch gestures (like WM 7 is going to have)
-of course when it gets released, i know its going to get on the Wing ASAP lol but whats stopping one of us from doing it?

4)Another hardware modification cutting out the lower part of the phones casing and adding a bigger (longer) touch screen to it.
-as you can see there is a piece at the bottom. just cut that out and put in a larger touch screen. the bigger the better.

5)And finally another hardware mod that puts in a better processor for the Wing.
-and this would tie it all together. the processor on the Wing only does 200mhz and you can increase that to 247mhz with no problem. But if we added a better processor thats average speed was 247mhz just imagine what we could do. A Wing processing over 300mhz would be lag free and nice to play with lol.

thats my wishlist for the Wing but i doubt any of it will happen (aside from WM 7 being ported to it lol)

[fzzyrn]

actually, wm7 might not even make it due to hardware restrictions (wm7 wants all sorts of crazy hardware)

I think we should just stick to the non-touch standard layout because i hate my touchscreen but i love the keyboard, and my other wing's touch screen doesn't even work. Both are HSPL'd, luckily.

You're a rom cook, right? Could you just make a barebones kind of rom? You could base it off an existing rom smartphone rom so all the fixes are already in there!

[Doctor | Maddox]

I highly doubt [Se7en] would run at an acceptable pace on the Wing's anemic hardware. lol It's like watching Manilla run at 0.35 fps on a Kaiser. Like molasses so delicious yet so slow. hahah xD

You can do that right? I mean to say having the Sliding Panels and Neo? I would assume that they wouldn't conflict each other? Then the crappy default homescreens could be removed to just leave Neo and Sliding Panels. I would assume it would also run a little bit faster? [Standard on a Professional Device]
I'd love to try this, but if Fzzyrn can't do I probably really have no chance.

[fzzyrn]

actually, i have the technological competence of a betamax

i want the sliding panels myself.

[ivanmmj]

actually, i have the technological competence of a betamax

ROFL



The biggest issue I would see here is the driver support and things like the camera app which seems to be device locked.

[fzzyrn]

we know that certain pro apps can run on smartphone just without touch function, right?

I guess we can apply a similar paradigm to the camera

[fzzyrn]

update again!
I tried again. and failed again.
I got farther this time though. I used the excalibur kitchen to dump an exca rom from os.nb. I also tried to dump a herald rom using hypercore but it didn't work (i chose to dump, and the window just closed), so i tired to dump using the exca kitchen. It worked, but it didn't work. The dump was in the format of an exca dump (if that makes sense)

epic fail. (betamax, what can i say?)

[Doctor | Maddox]

Could you possibly try to dump a Wings[s730? I believe.] Or a Juno since the Screen Orientation is better suited to the Wing? ..and don't forget about the Neo!!! haha I think I'll try but I'd be so scared to flash it to my Wing. haha I'm miles away from my XP PeeCee so no trying for about a week.

[fzzyrn]

Go ahead and try. If you're hardspl'd, the worst that can happen is that you have to reflash. Unless you do something incredibly stupid, like formatting the boot sector or something on that scale.

[Doctor | Maddox]

Shh!! Don't jinx me. hahah Well then. Hmm. I would hate to have a dead wing and have to use a crappy Samsung again.

Update:I Have no idea what to do. haha I'm very lost.