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racerx_

19-06-2008, 05:26 AM

hey.. just curious if anybody's gonna pick up a touch diamond? i'm thinking of grabbing one next week.. although i've got to admit, the diamond forums are full of drama right now haha :D

zero_1984

19-06-2008, 05:55 AM

i've thought about buying one.. but then there is the new iphone coming out too.. and now that im primarily a mac osx user.. windows mobile just cant sync right to osx :/

racerx_

19-06-2008, 07:08 AM

yeah true... i had an iphone for a while.. fun, but the organizer functions i found cumbersome.. setting appointments and stuff, and the new one isn't really much different than the old one ha.. i was expecting more out of apple..

so looks like its diamond time for me

evojulz

19-06-2008, 07:30 AM

If my Triny died today that's probably what I would get, but as its still going, the lack of expandable memory is a showstopper for me. 4Gb just doesn't cut it.

Although if racerx_ heads that way we may all need to follow just to support the future diamondguides.info

tnyynt

19-06-2008, 07:47 AM

I'm considering a Touch Pro. I'm waiting for the relsease as well as the feedback from those who buy it.

MacGuy2006

19-06-2008, 08:43 PM

... windows mobile just cant sync right to osx :/

SyncMate syncs very nicely between my iMac and my Trinity, even the free version: http://mac.eltima.com/sync-mac.html

As to the iPhone, I am also waiting to see what happens. I love the Trinity, but compared t the UI of the iPhone, it looks downright primitive:-(

If TomTom, which is coming out with navigation software for the iPhone, gets their PNA graphics (version 8) in the iPhone version, I think I might jump. Plus, I like the idea of 16gb storage built in.

On the other hand, I am still kind of happy with the Trinity:-)

Stingray66

19-06-2008, 09:55 PM

I bought a HTC P3700 UK and I'm very happy with it.

This interface is very good, but I dislike the integration with Opera. The GPS works good too with TomTom 6.032. The display is great (nice resolution) and touch works good too. The stylus is magnetic and clicks into the cover.

It behaves a little bit slow and the battery goes pretty fast, but it's loaded still with the original ROM.

The P3600 is still in use too, but it's for my wife. I wouldn't have bought it as a second phone or something like that.

earl00

19-06-2008, 09:57 PM

next phone is iphone 3g, tomtom has the app ready for it, that sold me.

MacGuy2006

19-06-2008, 10:46 PM

TomTom 6 is fine, but I have iGO 8 on my Trinity, and like the graphics of the new iGo much better.

The Endgadget picture shows a mockup of the iPhone with TT 6, which is a bit bleh for me, now that I am used to iGo 8. But it's only a mockup.

Now, TomTom 8 has great graphics, but it's not available for WM, only for PNAs (which are Linux-based.) If the iPhone version of TT has the new graphics from TT 8, it would be a killer device.

rl66

20-06-2008, 10:09 AM

no diamond for me there is no extension card slot...

My PDA is my brain extension and so i need looooooot of space and 4g is too weak for stockage.

an iPhone? no it is too slow and too much basic...

so i keep my 3600 until someone build a new versatile PDA as the 3600/3650... (even from HTC it seem that there is no project like this...:( )

ausi

20-06-2008, 12:57 PM

mdalacu

20-06-2008, 04:40 PM

I totally agree!!

Anyone thinking of buying the Samsung Omnia??

http://samsungomnia.org/reviews

The Specs look the best Device yet!!??

The resolution is 4 times lower than that of a HTC 3700...

liamhere

20-06-2008, 05:26 PM

diamond or pro for me....im due a upgrade in july :p

Krad213

20-06-2008, 06:20 PM

will wait htc dream ... WM sucks :P

petest

20-06-2008, 07:24 PM

I'm due an upgrade in december so if the diamond forums have the same sort of support and help as the trinity then I'll consider it - the 4gb in built memory is ample for me. Obviously by then there will be alot more to choose from.
If I could justify it I'd get one 2moro.

adewidt

20-06-2008, 08:06 PM

Really happy P3700 owner here :D !

MacGuy2006

20-06-2008, 10:15 PM

FInixNOver

20-06-2008, 10:42 PM

I'm hoping to get a HTC Touch Pro... someday...
But as all new devices, they're so expensive....
As long as my trinity keeps working, I'm going to try and save some money for the upgrade.

riri22

20-06-2008, 11:50 PM

As a happy Trinity (and before that Wizard) owner, heavily exposed to the first generation iPhone (my wife's,) I'd suggest to anyone looking for a smart phone right now to wait and take a serious look at the 3g iPhone. With GPS built in and Exchange support, it should be able to do pretty much everything, with what is IMO the best, by far, UI out there.

And 16gb built-in should be enough for the full world-map collection of TomTom, plus a bunch of music and a few movies and games. It's really the one to beat, IMO, and I don't see anything else on the horizon that can touch it (no pun intended.)

P.S. As to TomTom's NovCore 8, which I hope they implement for PDAs and the iPhone, here is a link to the Lane Change graphics: http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www5.jouwsites.nl/image/illus_yournav/1822.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.mytomtom.co.uk/content/n/423/tomtom-TomTom-CeBIT-GO-x30-NC-8-HD-Traffic.html&h=225&w=275&sz=40&hl=en&start=4&um=1&tbnid=qWIdpa0WJiY-9M:&tbnh=93&tbnw=114&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dtomtom%2Bnavcore%2B8%26um%3D1%26hl%3D en%26client%3Dsafari%26rls%3Den-us%26sa%3DN

I still think iGo has better overall graphics though.

Yep, except some few basic features that have been forgotten though:

- SMS
- copy and paste function (I know it's unbelievable, but they did miss that)
- Flash and autofocus for camera
- video recording
- 3 G visio call function (that one sounds incredible too, since all 3G capable phones nowadays have a front camera for visio-calls, but they did miss that one too...)

(the freedom to use any soft, any ringtone, any game, any battery u like and not only the ones you bought from apple online stores would be valuable though, but I know that would be asking too much)

I know some apple fan-boys may give us a thousand reasons why those features are useless, but so they did one year ago when the Iphone 1 missed 3G capability, and now, the same guys who was saying that 3G was useless keep saying that the new Iphone is a killer because.... it is 3G capable!

According to me too, the Raphael (HTC Touch Pro) seems to be the best device choice available this summer.
;)

MontAlbert

21-06-2008, 01:24 AM

riri22

21-06-2008, 02:35 AM

i am personally waiting for the android phones=- apparently HTC are releasing new models of the diamond and touch pro before the end of the year- i am hoping one of the models is a diamond with 16GB storage plus and expansino slot- this would make it a near-perfect device for me!!

Even better would be if it ran android!

I agree.
The only reason why I think the Touch Pro is a better choice for now, is because it has an expansion slot while the Diamond has a 4 GB internal memory limit.
Of course, if they release a Diamond with a SD expansion slot, this will be fine for me, as I don't really need a keyboard.
As far as the system is concerned, Android looks very promising indeed. I hope Diamond and Touch Pro will be flashable with it as an upgrade, offical or not.

MacGuy2006

21-06-2008, 10:28 AM

Yep, except some few basic features that have been forgotten though:
Man, I do have my gripes about the iPhone, but I have the feeling you haven't spent much time with one. And I don't mean to get into a flame war here, but you have too much inaccurate info.

- SMS
You are confused: it has always had SMS. It doesn't have MMS.

- copy and paste function (I know it's unbelievable, but they did miss that)
Available in iPhone g3

- Flash and autofocus for camera
I don't know about the g3, but I can say that my wife's first generation iPhone-taken photos are usable in a pinch, while my Trinity photos are not.

- video recording
done with jailbreaking now

- 3 G visio call function (that one sounds incredible too, since all 3G capable phones nowadays have a front camera for visio-calls, but they did miss that one too...)
This one is not coming on the g3, and it's a bummer, even if I don't personally use it.

(the freedom to use any soft, any ringtone, any game, any battery u like and not only the ones you bought from apple online stores....)
Eh, the 3g allows 3-rd party apps. Plus, jailbreaking is just as easy as flashing a Trinity to WM6.1 Saying it can't be hacked, is like saying you can't run WM6.1 on a Trinity:-)

And if you spent a little time with the iPhone, you'll find that it is by far the most intuitive and natural to use smart phone around, bar none. Even Android doesn't get close, from what I can tell right now. It also has much better battery life than my Trinity. Anyway, hopefully we'll see some more interesting competition by 2009, but for now, there is nothing comparable.

riri22

21-06-2008, 05:34 PM

Man, I do have my gripes about the iPhone, but I have the feeling you haven't spent much time with one. And I don't mean to get into a flame war here, but you have too much inaccurate info.

You are confused: it has always had SMS. It doesn't have MMS.

Available in iPhone g3

I don't know about the g3, but I can say that my wife's first generation iPhone-taken photos are usable in a pinch, while my Trinity photos are not.

done with jailbreaking now

This one is not coming on the g3, and it's a bummer, even if I don't personally use it.

Eh, the 3g allows 3-rd party apps. Plus, jailbreaking is just as easy as flashing a Trinity to WM6.1 Saying it can't be hacked, is like saying you can't run WM6.1 on a Trinity:-)

And if you spent a little time with the iPhone, you'll find that it is by far the most intuitive and natural to use smart phone around, bar none. Even Android doesn't get close, from what I can tell right now. It also has much better battery life than my Trinity. Anyway, hopefully we'll see some more interesting competition by 2009, but for now, there is nothing comparable.

1)
Your nick says it all. You're an apple fan-boy and feel attacked whenever somebody is not worshipping the Iphone as much as you do.
Typical reaction, but as I hinted in my post I was expecting that...
lol
2)
I am not forced to spend time with each phone available on the market to decide from its specs that it is lacking too many KEY FEATURES for me to buy it. Otherwise I would have to spend time with thousands of phones and sorry, I have a life ;)
3)
I know trying to outline my 'confusion' could lure readers attention away from the POINT, but I will make sure this doesn't happen don't worry.
OK, my bad, it's MMS, not SMS.
Anyway, this is also a key feature which is supposed to be available on thousands of phones you must have 'spent time' with.
How come you don't notice that only the IphoneS are missing that basic feature?
4)
I'm very satisfied with the quality of photos of the Trinity (a phone released in october 2006) I hope the 'revolutionnary' Iphone released in June 2007 can take good photos too, but that was not what I was saying in my post.
You missed the point as always, and it is not your wife's fault. :)
My point is for a phone released in june 2008, supposed to be the following of a revolution, it is ridiculous to have no BETTER RESOLUTION, no AUTO-FOCUS, NO FLASH.
And I was talking about the new Iphone 3G, not your wife's Iphone 1.
5)
No body cares about wether or not you're using video call.
Missing that KEY FEATURE on a 3G phone released in june 2008 is just insulting for customers' brains.

The funniest thing with Apple suporters, is that when the Iphone misses a feature, it's because they 'don't need it'.
(GPS, 3G on Iphone 1, / Video Call, autofocus camera, video recording, copy and paste function etc. on Iphone 2)
But how come once it is available through upgrade, jailbreak etc., they are so happy and grateful... strange contradiction!
6)
Available with jailbreaking?
:D
Were we talking about what we can do with a phone through hacking or about what the GOD-MANUFACTURER allows us to do?
This is not a feature of the Iphone. I respect the Hackers who freed the Iphone from jail, but you can't give those credits to the Iphone itself.
Not to mention you're losing your warranty by doing so...
So this is not a feature of the released Iphone 2, just face it...
7)
OK you missed my point on battery's matter. I knew it: if you're not very specific, a disapointed fan will try to confuse readers about your says...
I was pointing out the fact that on the Iphone 1 and Iphone 2, the battery is LOCKED (as in jail again) in the phone.
If you want to change it, remove it, or even look at it (even that seems to be asking to much...) you must resend the phone to Apple, and accept their price for the battery itself, and the replacement.
A price that the manufacturer decides, without any competitors on this specific replacement service, so guess if they will be keen to keep that price low...
8)
Comparing Jailbreaking to WM6.1 on Trinity is your right, but there is no relation with what I was saying.
Once again (it's getting tiring to avoid that your anachronysm confuse readers) it was about comparing original features in phones released this summer. Iphone 3G and competitors.
Of course you have to hack Trinity for wm6.1 a system which didn't even exist by the time Trinity was released.
But I don't see why for god sake somebody should be forced to hack and by doing so messing with is warranty on a new phone, just to benefit from features like video and the freedom of installing third party free softwares which don't come from Apple online stores and its high tarification.
This is a basic right, it's just that Iphone buyers seem to be used to be deprived of basic rights...
9)
Last but not least, intuitivity of a phone is something personal, just as for a car or anything else.
Some prefers BMW, some Toyota, you can't make and objective measuring of the absolute intuitivity.
On this point, there is no need to argue since it's a matter of taste, and I did not argue on this.
I just said that:
A phone like Iphone 3G released in June 2008, supposed to be revolutionary like all Apple products but missing a BUNCH of Keyfeatures (and I did not even mention FM Radio etc.), doesn't worth it according to me.
But I agree that some (fan-boys?) can be happy to pay high price for a LOCKED phone (until you free it from JAIL, I know, and lose your warranty) for poor features and become a hostage of Apple store for:
battery
softs and games
and even ringtones...
:rolleyes:

racerx_

21-06-2008, 06:57 PM

ha looks like the conversations getting interesting..

i'm also thinking the sony xperia x1 is looking pretty stinking hot.. except its a bit on the fat side compared to the diamond

and as a trinity lover i still have to say, the iphone was a pretty cool phone while i had one.. its missing a bunch of features, but what it does it does really nicely.. i guess to me, the iphone was more of a phone and the trinity more of a pda..

MacGuy2006

22-06-2008, 01:20 AM

You're an apple fan-boy and feel attacked whenever somebody is not worshipping the Iphone as much as you do.
Uhm, take a look at my signature..., I am a Trinity user, and have been so since they first came out. I just have had pretty extensive experience with the first generation iPhone, and I really like a lot of its features, but obviously not enough to cause me to dump my Trinity.

At least for me, the addition of of GPS, 3g and third-party apps, would make the second generation iPhone arguably the best overall package on the market, for many, and possibly for me.

I was tempted by the Diamond, but I think the 3g iPhone maybe a better bet for many. The UI is really far ahead of anything else I've seen, Safari is the first mobile browser which is usable to just browse, the 3.5" screen is also just about usable to watch a movie or play a game (and it doesn't make my eyes blurry as the Trinity does,) and the battery life and internal storage are exceptional in the current market. And the subsidized price of $299 for a 16gb is actually pretty good.

riri22, my post was simply trying to correct some misinformation in your post. I don't know where you live, but judging by some of your statements, I doubt you've even seen an iPhone up close.

Anyway, as I said, the current iPhone does have features missing (GPS and 3g were key for me,) and even the new 3g is not perfect. But neither is any other device I see on the horizon, and I'd suggest to anyone shopping now to at least take a good look at the 3g iPhone - I know I would.

riri22

22-06-2008, 02:29 AM

Uhm, take a look at my signature..., I am a Trinity user, and have been so since they first came out. I just have had pretty extensive experience with the first generation iPhone, and I really like a lot of its features, but obviously not enough to cause me to dump my Trinity.

At least for me, the addition of of GPS, 3g and third-party apps, would make the second generation iPhone arguably the best overall package on the market, for many, and possibly for me.

I was tempted by the Diamond, but I think the 3g iPhone maybe a better bet for many. The UI is really far ahead of anything else I've seen, Safari is the first mobile browser which is usable to just browse, the 3.5" screen is also just about usable to watch a movie or play a game (and it doesn't make my eyes blurry as the Trinity does,) and the battery life and internal storage are exceptional in the current market. And the subsidized price of $299 for a 16gb is actually pretty good.

riri22, my post was simply trying to correct some misinformation in your post. I don't know where you live, but judging by some of your statements, I doubt you've even seen an iPhone up close.

Anyway, as I said, the current iPhone does have features missing (GPS and 3g were key for me,) and even the new 3g is not perfect. But neither is any other device I see on the horizon, and I'd suggest to anyone shopping now to at least take a good look at the 3g iPhone - I know I would.

:D

As usual, avoiding to answer to the points I have outlined in my previous posts.
This is an old trick used by any fan-boy who lacks concrete and objective points to sustain his fanactic assumptions...
Don't worry, this is not going to fool anyone on this forum.
I've seen your signature and I read the content of your post. Therefore I already know you're also a Trinity user.
I just noticed from your views that you are not as positive about the Trinity that you're trying to defend the Iphone just like it was your living god.
And your nick, which is not Trinityman but MACGUY :rolleyes: (How come, mister Trinity lover?) just confirmed what I saw in your post.
2)
LOL
You're trying to be the nice guy in your post, but sneakily, you're despising other posters' country, experience and everything.
This is an old trick again to avoid the points.
I won't give in such a childish attempts from you to avoid to answer about all the lacks of your worshipped Apple phone.

3)
You said my post was full of misinformation. Can you just give us let's say TEN of them please? :)
The only one I saw was when I said the Iphone had no SMS capability instead of MMS.
It is true for MMS, and I did not see your reply regarding this BIG MISS, which is incredible for such an expansive phone...
(thanks for correcting me by the way, and to confirm that technologically, the Iphone can deal with SMS (and so could my first cellphone more than 10 years ago!!!) but is not able to send MMS, LOL.
(a thing any cheap phone has been doing for at least 5 years! RE-LOL)

4)
Your post was full of irrelevant references to Iphone 1, to your wife, and what so ever.
If my brain was as simple as yours was when from a talk on Iphone you argued on my country, I would say I doubt from your low level of analysis that you've reached secondary school, but in any case your country cannot be taken responsible and I believe there are universities in the place you live in. It's just that the teacher is not genetically responsible for one's brain limits...

Let's back to basis.
As other posters on this thread, which topic was 'who is getting a Diamond', before you came here to try and save your God, Apple, I have noticed that the Iphone cannot challenge Diamond in terms of features.
BECAUSE:
1
It lacks too many BASIC features:
-MMS
- Video recording
-Visio-calls (which is the minimum standard in terms of 3G phones)
- Copy and Past function (which is a minimum standard in terms of text edition)
- a built in FM radio
2
It is a very LOCKED phone, with a business-plan created in order to make customers pay Apple for ever, for services which are FREE everywhere else:
- changing the battery
- changing your ringtone
- installing new sofware and games (you must buy them from Apple online store with large amount of fees directly in Apples' pockets)
3
As far as the hardware is concerned, I agree that the Iphone has a very good screen, wider than others.
But, in terms of hardware, its CAMERA is poorer than other comparable phones to be released this month or this summer.
-A poor optical resolution
-no auto-focus
-no flash
- NO FRONT CAMERA
- No FM chipset

5)
Regarding the UI, as I already said, this is a very subjective question. You may think your taste is universal, but if you had really attended the secondary school courses, you would have learned that it is not.
Some people think Safari is good, others think Opera is. Some poeple are in love with windows 6.1, others prefer symbian.

6)
Thanks after all for admitting that the Iphone 'is not perfect' LOOOOL (no kidding?) but since you used 'we' and seem to be talking on behalf of thousands of users of this forum, I'll do the same and say:
- the majority of this forum users chose other smartphones than the Iphone because they don't want to be hostages of Apple business policy, which make you pay for any basic service such as changing your ringtone or replacing your phone battery.
They prefer a community very active in developping phone's system which are not JAIL-LOCKED such as windows mobile and hopefully Android.
Not to mention when the LOCKED phone is missing so many BASIC FEATURES...

In conclusion, in my country, like in yours (I hope for your countrymates), there are at least two kinds of customers:
- the fan-boys who pay high price for LOCKED things missing BASIC FEATURES and praying for a jail-break to save them (and losing their warranty right away).
- customers with brain who are not fashion-victims enslaved to a brand who is treating its customers like suckers by making them pay for any basic service which is a free standard everywhere else. They are free to play and create on their windows, symbian or soon Android device.
:p

MacGuy2006

22-06-2008, 03:08 AM

riri22

22-06-2008, 04:14 AM

riri22, you are prolific, but you have very little knowledge on the subject. It's obvious that you've never been close to an iPhone, so don't rile against things you have no clue about.

As to my moniker, yep, I use Macs at work, because they are the best for my needs. At home, my HTPC is an extensively hacked mini-Vista box, because I found that Vista is the best for my needs. My personal PC is a nice dual-boot Mac Book Pro, because I think it best fits my needs. My phones were first Palm-based, now WM-based, because they best fit my needs. And if I move over to the new 3g iPhone, it will be because it best fits my needs....

Cheers, fanboy.

HA HA HA so emotional and deprived of technical facts...
You have no excuse: you get close to phones but have no ability to analyze them rationally.
:D

As I said, you cannot be specific in terms of features comparison since you don't only lack knowledges on the your Worshipped Iphone, but also on other phones features.

When you keep talking about 'getting close to', 'have a grip' on 'and take in one's hand' I see even more the difference between a wise customer and an Apple-fan-boy like you, blindly enslaved to a LOCKED Iphone lacking of BASIC FEATURES, and keen to pay for services only suckers would pay for:

- change one's ringtone
- change one's battery
- change skins, softs and games

You said I had a lot of misinformation on Iphone, but you cannot give a single example...
I said your so-called 'new Iphone 3G' was lacking KEY BASIC FEATURES, DECENT modern Harware, and FAIR support to its fan-boys-customers, and gave plenty of examples.

While a fanboy like you only pride is to have the honour to get close to his religiously admired Iphone, a customer with brain (which obviously is not your case) compare OBJECTIVE TECHNICAL DATAS.

I know you cannot be technical, specific and analytic, and no fanboy can anyway :D but you really break all records in terms of superficiality, vague observations and personal and subjective individual experiences which proove nothing but your narrow-mind and short-seeing views on mobile phones' technology.
I'm afaid you're so 'close' to your adored Iphone that you cannot even see it neatly.
Specially in terms of lack of features.

- no video recording
- no MMS
- no copy and paste... (macintosh could do that 15 years ago though... they are going down but it's fine since the fanboys are always happy ;) )
- no Visio-calls (never heard of such a lack on other 3G phones, but it's OK, fanboys don't understand what is a feature, so they don't care)
- no FM radio (too revolutionnary, so you'll have to wait for Iphon 3 I guess)

Thanks to me you've made some progress in pointing out your own subjectivity:
'best for my needs bla bla, nice and best for my needs bla bla'
what a scientifc demonstration, I'm impressed... LOL

This is exactly what I was saying:
You have no point as far as technical features are concerned. All you have is personal taste, and brand piety, which is neither objective nor universal.

Bye MACGUY the Apple Fanboy, and keep bowing to your IGod since you're ENJAILED to it!
:rolleyes:

MacGuy2006

22-06-2008, 04:31 AM

bleh, knowledge- and iPhone-deprived troll....

riri22

22-06-2008, 04:40 AM

bleh, knowledge- and iPhone-deprived troll....

HA HA
:D
MacGuy the apple-fanboy is vexed.
He's even repeating my words 'bla bla', 'deprived of'
I knew it: Apple fanboys have no creativity, that's why they stick to LOCKED and NARROW user experience.
;)

But still no technical facts... and no counter-proof regarding what I said.
I guess you're talking about yourself, in terms of empty troll
LOL

It is this kind of guys that make Apple's business flourishing: they think the new Iphone is cheaper than the first one, but they did not even notice that added to the MANDATORY high rate monthly phone fees they are forced to pay, at the end, it costs even more for half the features of a Diamond!

tnyynt

22-06-2008, 08:01 AM

Guys, could you stop this? It's getting ugly and we all know what that means. So end it!

riri22

22-06-2008, 09:54 AM

Guys, could you stop this? It's getting ugly and we all know what that means. So end it!

I agree with you, and this is all I ask: let's go back to the topic!

Anybody getting a Diamond?

Only technical considerations, and features' analysis, that's all. No fanatism, no cry, no pray....
Hope people who are not interested in Diamond won't come and make propaganda...

As I said before, I think the Diamond is very temptating in terms of features and usability, but I can't accept its 4 GB internal storage with no extension slot.
This is not HTC's style to not provide its consumers with extension slots.
They really made a mistake by under-estimating users needs in term of storage space. A couple of Videos, a large range of music and the 4 GB will be reached soon.
Therefore I may go for the Touch Pro instead, which is very similar to the Diamond but with an extension slot...

;)

racerx_

23-06-2008, 11:16 AM

liamhere

23-06-2008, 05:55 PM

please play nice :p

riri22

23-06-2008, 07:58 PM

please play nice :p

OK kid, but only if you promise to be good too!
:p

riri22

23-06-2008, 08:07 PM

it is a bit amazing though, huh? not that long ago we couldn't even get more than a 4gb expansion card for our pda's/phones.. now we can't live without 8 or 16 haha..

on a more serious note.. i will be launching a diamond upgrade guide site.. but i need a name for it.. diamondguides.info is already taken :o( i could take .org i guess... any other ideas?

i keep thinking it'd be cool to just consolidate upgrade guides for most if not all the devices on this site.. but its a pretty massive undertaking and needs a lot of collaboration.. but if anyone wants to help, let me know! :D

It's not only a matter of present needs, it's also, in my case, a problem of internal memory limitation:
If you buy a new Diamond today, you'll be stuck at 4 GB for the next couple of years too.
When you buy a phone with a card slot, you still have an evolution margin for your future needs because the storage capacity of the new cards is still increasing.

If I can be of any help for your websites, you can PM me at anytime.
Cheers

rl66

23-06-2008, 08:32 PM

i always love when 2 oposite fan met :)

ipod vs mp3player
iphone vs WM device
imac vs PC
linux vs the world
...

it's a sterile war... both are good product, the only thing different is what kind of people buy and use them...

before to say that iphone is too basic for me, i try the iphone of a friend...
he is very happy with it because it just fit what he need in a smartphone, and btw iphone is a very well manufactured product :cool: very classy too.

but for my use of a smartphone there is too much things missing... if there is less missing perhaps i would buy one, but on other hand perhaps that regular users of iphone would find it too complicated...

whatever you got as pda, computer or player remember that a monoculture is never inovative, inovation came from multiplicity of culture... see how iphone make WM easier to use, see how apple open itself to Windows files standard, and see how linux take advantage of the better part of windows and osx system...

btw i am waiting to try an android product :)

riri22

23-06-2008, 09:47 PM

i always love when 2 oposite fan met

You must have misunderstood something. There was an Apple-fanboy unable to face the limitations and lacks of the Iphone, and feeling attacked whenever someone dare to point them out.
And on the other hand, a windows mobile user, which is not a blind follower of the hype, and despite of all the seducing features in the Diamond who can say:
'this phone is not for me because I don't like its storage limitation'
I may play with a Diamond or an Iphone 3G if I come across it, but this has nothing to do with a decision making in terms of feature...
;) Hope you understand better the difference...

it's a sterile war... both are good product, the only thing different is what kind of people buy and use them...

Exactly what I've said. People with different needs buy different phones.
Nevertheless, specialized forums exist also in order to compare technical features or differences in terms of customer's policy.
Those are objective datas that we should share, but I agree, you cannot do that with a fanatic...

before to say that iphone is too basic for me, i try the iphone of a friend...
he is very happy with it because it just fit what he need in a smartphone, and btw iphone is a very well manufactured product :cool: very classy too.

I don't agree on that point.
We all are busy working men, and we can't take time to try every fancy car and phones (or women ;) )
I'll do what you say if I had a doubt on one of those points and I wanted to make things clear. But the feature limitation is an objective and absolute data ('basic phone' is a too wide concept, I said 'lacking some basic features' 'cause I do think MMS, visio-calls on 3G, copy and paste function for example, are basic features on smartphones...
I never had a single doubt about the usability, and fancy look of the Iphone or all Mac products in general. Therefore no need for me to be convinced on those points since I already believe in.
It's just that for me, eye-candy effect is not a decisional factor.
I have minimum requirements in terms of features that the Iphone 3G cannot fulfill in 2008.

but for my use of a smartphone there is too much things missing... if there is less missing perhaps i would buy one, but on other hand perhaps that regular users of iphone would find it too complicated...

Exactly. Some people needs the easiest to use, some the fanciest to look, and others, the most complete in terms of feature.

whatever you got as pda, computer or player remember that a monoculture is never inovative, inovation came from multiplicity of culture...btw i am waiting to try an android product
This is exactly what I said in my first post.
I'm eager to test Android and I hope our future smartphone which are not LOCKED ones will be flashable with Android.

Just one more point you've forgotten to mention in your analysis:
Let's take cars for exemple:
If a car seller tells me that he can sell me the car cheaper, but I'll have to use only the gazoline he sells for the next two years (at high price), that I will be forced to pay for 10 full-tank a month, no matter I use the car or not and that when I calculate, I notice that with this condition, The overall price of the car after two years is extremely high for this range of car...
In addition of that I'm only allowed to change tyres in his shop (at a price much higher than the marked standard) and also I have to buy spare parts in his shop at crazy prices...
Am I entitled to tell him that I'm not that stupid and go and try to fool somebody else?
(any similarity with a freshly released fancy phone might not be a coincidence)
;)

rl66

23-06-2008, 10:00 PM

rl66

23-06-2008, 10:07 PM

and lol what about the diamond (obviously the theme of this post)?

why not doing a "sondage" (oups i don't remember the english word, perhaps someone lie to me: i am not perfect :p) ?

riri22

23-06-2008, 10:13 PM

lol i am a working man too with not so much time (industrial logistic now :( )... but i take time to do thing (perhaps because i live near the sea and the beach it's our way of life here). you should try :cool:
and exept this point i like your post very much

U missed the point dude: priorities! Life is a matter of priorities, and testing products that your feature limitation has already eliminated it's called proscratinating or more simple: waste of time.

P.S.: I live 15 meters away from the beach, it is also our way of life here.
;) you should try not to underestimate others' luck, you might be the disapointed one!
Except this (little) mistake, I like your posts too
:cool:

riri22

24-06-2008, 07:05 PM

;) Just to let you know:
Today, I asked a job aquaintance to play with his Iphone
(it's still the first Iphone, as the Iphone 3G is due to next month in our local shops)

Sorry to make you disapointed guys:
the mighty spell which is supposed to be automatically casted onto whoever ' get close to the Iphone and touch it' did not work on me...
:D
As I already knew, it's a fancy phone, full of eye-candy effect but there was no magic which can compensate all the feature lacks, the mandatory monthly data-plan, and all the other customer abuses from its manufacturer...

For now, I'll wait for the HTC Touch Pro (same interface and functions as the Diamond, but with a memory card slot and a sliding keyboard) or any other feature-complete phone who might be released in the mean time.
:)

rl66

24-06-2008, 07:23 PM

lol now that you try you can said "it's too basic for me". :D (lol xxl)

indeed i agree with you :p but mr HTC can you do a touch pro without keyboard (or a touch diamond with a SD port) plz plz plz

riri22

25-06-2008, 01:01 AM

lol now that you try you can said "it's too basic for me". :D (lol xxl)

indeed i agree with you :p but mr HTC can you do a touch pro without keyboard (or a touch diamond with a SD port) plz plz plz

If you continue, I'll think you're a disguised Apple Fanboy, be careful!
I did not say the Iphone was 'too basic', I said it lacks too many basic features such as:
MMS sending capability, video recording capability, visio-call capability, copy and paste capability...

Checking out the list of features is enough to notice these lacks. This has nothing to do with having played with the eye-candy interface or not.
So I could say it before, and I still can say it now!:p

(on the last point, I totally agree: I don't use the keyboard, I had one on my Wizard that I almost never used, so the ideal would be a Diamond with built-in memory card slot, but too bad: on the Diamond, HTC copied the worst part of the Iphone and wanted to have a go with the internal and limited memory...)

MacGuy2006

25-06-2008, 11:19 AM

...Checking out the list of features is enough to notice these lacks. This has nothing to do with having played with the eye-candy interface or not.
So I could say it before, and I still can say it now!:p....

So, I was right. You had never been close to an iPhone, had no clue about it, but just like to hear yourself talk....

...kind of like "Dude, the Ferrari 599 sucks..., I've never been close to one, but I read it has only two doors, sits only two adults, low ground clearance.... And no after-market add-ons.... All eye-candy, dude... only Ferrari fanboys dig it.... bleh."

P.S. Cut-and-past is available in the 3g iPhone. It may not be for everyone, but with it so close to market, it's just silly to blindly dismiss it because of clueless FUD.

racerx_

25-06-2008, 11:40 AM

you know guys, this is pretty ridiculous.. if you wanna keep arguing do it via PM.. we really don't need to see this thread full of your personal opinions of one another

riri22

25-06-2008, 01:47 PM

So, I was right. You had never been close to an iPhone, had no clue about it, but just like to hear yourself talk....

...kind of like "Dude, the Ferrari 599 sucks..., I've never been close to one, but I read it has only two doors, sits only two adults, low ground clearance.... And no after-market add-ons.... All eye-candy, dude... only Ferrari fanboys dig it.... bleh."

P.S. Cut-and-past is available in the 3g iPhone. It may not be for everyone, but with it so close to market, it's just silly to blindly dismiss it because of clueless FUD.

HA HA Looks like the Apple Fanboy is still vexed and needs a revenge!!!
:D
You are so childish that it is ridiculous.

You were wrong as you have always been:
- you said there was no Iphone available in my country, it is distributed in every shop
- you said I had never been close to an Iphone, how come my aquaintances have some that I can play with whenever I want to?
:p

I was right: you can't read and you can't analyze, that's why you keep missing the point and saying off-topic childish nonsenses.[/B]

I know you can't read but I will say it again to you until you grow up:

The Iphone is out of the picture for me because it lacks some KEY and BASIC features such as:

-MMS capability
-Visio call capability
-video recording capability
-copy and past capabilty
-a decent auto-focus system on the camera
-an FM radio
etc.

This has nothing to do with getting close to the Iphone or playing with its eye-candy interface.
It is a matter of objective LACK OF FEATURES, so I can decide it doesn't fit me on this point by reading the technical features' list. No need to waste time and proscrastinate over the interface!

The Iphone is not more expansive than the Touch Pro or the Diamond or any other smartphone of the same range.
It's just that for the same money the Iphone gives you LESS features, and the manufacturer keeps collecting easy money from you, even after you bought it:

- out of battery changing
- out of soft, games (online apple store)
- out of mandatory ringtones
- out of a mandatory data-plan for two years
etc.

Only a naive fanboy like you would ever accept such an abusive system.
You can keep talking childish blabla about ferraris you are still pointless.
:p
P.S.: Ferrari are expansive cars, but they give you at least as many features as other same range car. And Ferrari, in terms of customer policy, do not have more abusive conditions than Lamborghini, MacLaren, Bentley, Rolls Royce or other luxuous cars. It has only two seats because this is a common standard for this type of sporty cars. This came from race cars design, in order for the car to be lighter and thus faster. Nothing weird at all. I would definitely go for a Ferrari. But how come the Iphone is the ONLY 3G phone in this range without front camera and visio-call capability and has the cheapest rear-camera? To be more sporty? Your clumsy excuses don't make any sense Fanboy! In terms of features, Diamond, or Nokia N series are (as far as I know) more complete than the Iphone, are more OPEN to FREE upgrade (no need to hack or jailbreak and lose your warranty)and you are not forced to accept abusive data plans for the next two years!

taiseer999

25-06-2008, 02:01 PM

you know guys, this is pretty ridiculous.. if you wanna keep arguing do it via PM.. we really don't need to see this thread full of your personal opinions of one another

HI Pal how is it going,

I am not considering the Diamond as its constrains are already known to everyone, I might either get a Touch Pro or a Sony Ericsson

racerx_

25-06-2008, 02:09 PM

MacGuy2006

25-06-2008, 08:45 PM

... i've got my diamond already, and my trinity is gone (*sniff sniff*).. but i've got to say i'm very happy with the diamond.. ... TF3D is pretty addictive even though its not perfect. (and as a former iphone owner i'd like to say for the record that iphones lag here and there too ha)

Hey, I haven't played with the Diamond.

How do you like the TF3D and do you find its functionality and user experience much better than the Diamond-like UI stuff available for the Trinity, like this http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=402021?

Also, how does TF3D compare to the iPhone UI, in your experience?

riri22

25-06-2008, 09:04 PM

woah, you're alive!! ha.. good to hear from you

i've got my diamond already, and my trinity is gone (*sniff sniff*).. but i've got to say i'm very happy with the diamond.. i wish it had an expansion slot, but i can always upgrade again later when something comes out.. one thing is for sure, it handles the phone functions sooooooo much better than the trinity. And TF3D is pretty addictive even though its not perfect. (and as a former iphone owner i'd like to say for the record that iphones lag here and there too ha)
Thanks for the review Racerx and happy to see that neutral phone users, with a neutral nickname, have exactly the same analysis that I had on Trinity, Iphone and Diamond.
;)

I learnt something new though, through your experience:
The Iphone's eye-candy interface lags like hell...
I thought only its features' list was a failure and that the interface was its main asset.
If even its UI is a mess, I don't see what the Iphone has left to brag about...
:rolleyes:

racerx_

26-06-2008, 02:38 AM

TF3D is definitely better than SPB mobile shell.. looks better and runs better. I like it.

Its hard to compare to iphone UI.. in many ways i'd say TF3D is cooler than iphone UI, due to it integrating a home screen, messaging, contacts, etc.. it does lag a bit here and there, but better than i thought. I'm pretty impressed with it. To me, the laggiest part of the trinity was the phone.. dialing numbers was zzzzzzzzzzzz. now its super fast.

the main diff is iphone UI is very much integrated in the OS.. this runs on top of the OS.. so like to view messages you see them in TF3D.. but to reply or write messages, it has to take you out of TF3D back to the messaging app.. HTC should just write their own OS.. ha