T-Mobile MDA Compact IV

[ljames28]

I just spoke to someone at UKPhoneShop who resell T-Mobile contracts and they said they should have the MDA Compact IV from the 30th of June. Therefore from the 30th of June T-mobile will be selling the MDA Compact IV, there's some contracts that are definitely available from UKPhoneShop but the 12month contracts haven't been confirmed by T-mobile yet.

http://www.ukphoneshop.com/T-Mobile/contract/mobile-phones/MDA-Compact%20IV/2255/index.html

[feridoun]

Looks good.

Have you seen anyone else selling it? Do you think the will be the first to get the mda compact iv?

[thakidc]

Be weary, the features are the diamonds, maybe they jus didnt switch them yet but its says its 11.5mm thick amd 4gig of internal memory those are diamond specs.

[feridoun]

Be weary, the features are the diamonds, maybe they jus didnt switch them yet but its says its 11.5mm thick amd 4gig of internal memory those are diamond specs.

According to pdadb, the mda has 4gb too, but you're right the thickness should be 11.3mm.

[Harts@J]

According to pdadb, the mda has 4gb too, but you're right the thickness should be 11.3mm.
It could have different back cover as the O2 Xda diamond has.

[selspiero]

sounds good if it is going to be the 30th, although i dont think it will be the MDA - as people have said it will be a diamond with a t-mobile contract.

I'm not expecting the actual MDA until end of july

*crosses fingers that it is the 30th*

[P996]

Before you guys consider going for the T-Mobile version of the Touch Diamond, be aware that it looks completely different and not really in a positive way if you ask me.
Even the O2 version looks slightly different but not by much.
I saw the MDA Compact IV during a presentation and compared to the Touch Diamond, I would even call it UGLY, so buyer beware.

[mr_Ray]

11.5mm... 11.3mm... You'd need a micrometer to tell the difference tbh. We're not talking Diamond vs. Pro here.

Personally I like the Compact IV's hardware looks (of course pink TF3D looks like a duck's behind, but that's why we're here, to get rid of stuff like that), so that doesn't bother me. The more rounded profile vs. square edged Diamond makes up for the loss of the fancy battery cover.

What does bother me is giving up the £5/month discount you get buying from T-Mob direct for the sake of getting it a week earlier. If all I cared about was getting a Diamond a week or two early at the expense of price I would have paid Expansys' 500% markup on a grey import.

Supposedly it'll be on T-Mob's site by the 6th, I think I can wait.

[ljames28]

I spoke to the guy on the phone and he was very adoment about how the Mda Compact IV will be better than the diamond because it will be tuned for the network. They're just reselling a Tmobile contract so I'm pretty sure they are getting the MDA Compact IV.

They're not one of the people who sell any phone with any contract, they re-sell the proper Tmob contracts.


mr_Ray, where did you hear Tmob will have it on the 6th?

[selspiero]

Before you guys consider going for the T-Mobile version of the Touch Diamond, be aware that it looks completely different and not really in a positive way if you ask me.
Even the O2 version looks slightly different but not by much.
I saw the MDA Compact IV during a presentation and compared to the Touch Diamond, I would even call it UGLY, so buyer beware.


Just in case you hadnt seen these - i dont think it is much different... more rounded def..

http://i27.tinypic.com/x6gbb7.jpg

http://i28.tinypic.com/2z9chlz.jpg


oh, and we are taliking UK right?

[razoruk1974]

Think it will be worth hanging on for the T-Mobile MDA compact iV. Hopefully early July.

There could quite well be another ROM improvement. Also the Route 66 Sat Nav 7 day trial is worth having before you buy it out right.

[feridoun]

I spoke to the shop, they are indeed selling the T-mobile compact iv.

Date wise it depends but it looks like v early july. or perhaps sooner depending in t-mobile themselves.

As for the tariff, I can't see any evidence that the tariffs will be any better directly from retail, especially as you get cash-back from buying online?

[damiantmc]

1st of july is its supposed release date on the system

[ljames28]

Just called the upgrade department again and spoke to someone who didn't sound like he knew anything about the phone, by the fact he tried to push "normal" phones on me :p He said it still says coming soon


damiantmc, is there any information on pricing yet?

[gazzrenn]

Just called T-Mobile web sales 3 times and got 3 different answers...

1. Lady - clueless - "sorry, i dont know"
2. Man - semi clueless - "we don't get told due dates"
3. Man - switched on - "its on our internal system as coming soon, i cant give you an exact date but i'd guess at about the end of next month"

[finesse]

Just called T-Mobile web sales 3 times and got 3 different answers...

1. Lady - clueless - "sorry, i dont know"
2. Man - semi clueless - "we don't get told due dates"
3. Man - switched on - "its on our internal system as coming soon, i cant give you an exact date but i'd guess at about the end of next month"

LOL I got the same answers

I guess July is the month, but knowing t-mobile it will be September/October just like the MDA Compact III

[finesse]

If the Diamond is retailing at £420+ what will the HTC Touch Pro cost?:rolleyes::confused:

[razoruk1974]

The expected date for release of the T-mobile Compact iv on the ukphoneshop website seems to have gone. :(

[ljames28]

The date is now 07/07 :(

[scoob8254]

i work for tmobile l+r and it is indeed early july although no confirmed date yet, dieing to get one tho looks nice

[damiantmc]

yeah no info on price yet, just the july 1st expected release date

[ljames28]

How comes lots of people claim to work for Tmobile (on this forum and other forums), yet they still give different infomation? IS there more than one "system" for different people?

I'm not doubting, just a little confused.

[Devious]

Just been in my local t-mobile shop in Southend and the chap in there says the release is looking like the end of July.
He said its been pushed back due to software problems :(
Just the usual t-mobile excuse then!

[geeMc]

How comes lots of people claim to work for Tmobile (on this forum and other forums), yet they still give different infomation? IS there more than one "system" for different people?

I'm not doubting, just a little confused.

Most people who work for t-mobile and give others a releasedate just work in a callcenter. In other words, they don't know anything at all.

[scoob8254]

we work from one system, but most people either dont check or dont know where to check, yes i work in a callcentre, the release date is what they are aiming for, but they very rarely get the phone out on that date, i hope they do cos im gagging for one

[jerrry]

I have one "not for sale" unit of Compact IV home ;-) if you have any questions, please ask me ;-)

http://smartmania.cz/images/clanky/diamondVScompact/1.jpg

[firedup]

Well hello there!

Whats the ROM like compared to the Diamond?

Is it me or is the casing more rounded?

Accessories?

Any GPS software bundled? Is the battery still shit?

[feridoun]

I have one "not for sale" unit of Compact IV home ;-) if you have any questions, please ask me ;-)



Hi there!

In addition to the above questions, what is the build quality compared to the diamond. Does it attract fingerprints? Are there any disabled functions... e.g. wifi?

[saquib]

hi

can you confirm radio/ROM versions? Even better, can you dump the rom?

thanks

[jerrry]

The ROM version in my Compact IV is
1.28.110.2 WWE (from 9th of May 2008, old testing ROM)
Radio version is 0.93.25.05

Wi-Fi and Bluetooth works fine. I hope, than GPS isn´t blocked, but now I don´t know, I will test it. I have only device, not box, not accessories :-( Btw, this unit has only 128 MB RAM chip, my Diamond has 192 MB RAM. After hard reset and TouchFLO 3D activation there is abou 48 MB of free RAM (not too much with compare of Diamond).

The cover of Compact IV is better than Diamond (back cover is lank, Diamond has "triangled" which is not stable on the desk :-( ), and the Compact is a little bit bigger than Diamond (+- few mm). Battery is same as in Diamond (on the battery is title "HTC innovation" :-) ).

I will bechmark both devices (Diamond vs Compact) and give feedback. Btw, speed of Compact IV is same as Diamond (I am using 1.35 ROM WWE in Diamond with registry tweaks (memory, glyph etc.).

[saquib]

Thanks for all that info.

Which country are you in, and how does reception compare between the 2 units?

Thanks again.

[jerrry]

I am from Czech republic (check my flag in my profile bruhaha). Btw, GPS in T-Mobile MDA Compact IV works fine, Iam trying TomTom 6.03 version and it is good, yepee ;-)

[mr_Ray]

Btw, this unit has only 128 MB RAM chip, my Diamond has 192 MB RAM.
Ugh. I was afraid of that. Too many places have reported it to have crippled RAM compared to the Diamond for it to just be poor journalism. WTH were they thinking???
The cover of Compact IV is better than Diamond (back cover is lank, Diamond has "triangled" which is not stable on the desk :-( )
The Compact IV looks so much better imo. Enough of an improvement to make me forget about the missing 64MB tho? Sadly not.
I will bechmark both devices (Diamond vs Compact) and give feedback.
Sounds interesting. If you are able to (if it doesn't have to go back to them or something) it would be nice to see how they perform with the exact same ROM and tweaks, see if the missing 64MB hurts things under load as much as I suspect it will.

[gazzrenn]

I have one "not for sale" unit of Compact IV home ;-) if you have any questions, please ask me ;-)

http://smartmania.cz/images/clanky/diamondVScompact/1.jpg


Oh dear.... i was looking forward to getting my Compact IV.... not any more. I prefer the look of the Diamond :(

[jerrry]

Check this article (http://smartmania.cz/index.php?ind=news&op=news_show_single&ide=1038), it is comparsion of MDA Compact IV with the HTC Touch Diamond. Article is in czech, but there is many photos, benchmarks and screenshots.

http://smartmania.cz/images/clanky/diamondVScompact/14.jpg

http://smartmania.cz/images/clanky/diamondVScompact/screen1.jpg

[ljames28]

Guys, i wouldn't take all this as certainty, this phone is a few months old now. When coolsmartphone were doing their week with the touch diamond theirs only had 128mb of ram and they had an old rom which wasn't as good as the current one. It was well know that the dev "not for sale" units only had 128mb of ram, this is not a sign that the sale versions will only have 128mb.

[spangelsaregreat]

Guys, i wouldn't take all this as certainty, this phone is a few months old now. When coolsmartphone were doing their week with the touch diamond theirs only had 128mb of ram and they had an old rom which wasn't as good as the current one. It was well know that the dev "not for sale" units only had 128mb of ram, this is not a sign that the sale versions will only have 128mb.

Lets hope so, prefer the look of the MDA.

[jerrry]

Iam think too, than the final version of MDA Compact IV will have 196 MB of RAM.

[aiwama]

I really love the shape of the MDA; it is rounder and nicer than the Diamond. The only problem I have with the MDA is the nasty magenta/pink/purple colour of its letters and numbers. Is there, in settings, a way of changing the colour to something nicer?

[darthbane2k]

I really love the shape of the MDA; it is rounder and nicer than the Diamond. The only problem I have with the MDA is the nasty magenta/pink/purple colour of its letters and numbers. Is there, in settings, a way of changing the colour to something nicer?

Could someone answer this? This is very important to know.
As the MDA is releaseing this tuesday, I need to make a quick decision.

[205_lacoste]

Could someone answer this? This is very important to know.
As the MDA is releaseing this tuesday, I need to make a quick decision.

Changing the ROM will surely help.

[darthbane2k]

Also, what about the important things apart from theme? Opera Browser, Windows Live Mobile, Messenger, You Tube - these things all there in the T Mobile version?

[darthbane2k]

Changing the ROM will surely help.

And how simple is that?
Wont the T Mobile versions be severly locked?

[ljames28]

I dont think they can do anything to stop you changing the rom, can they? I have an MDA Vario 2 which you could change the rom on just like any other unlocked phone.

The rom itself may have restrictions, but they shouldnt stop you changing to another rom like the standard touch diamond one

[aiwama]

Could someone answer this? This is very important to know.
As the MDA is releaseing this tuesday, I need to make a quick decision.

Tuesday? Where did you get this info from? I am not doubting! I am up for renewal with T-Mobile and it would be sweet to go for the MDA Compact IV ASAP. T-Mobile UK has just renewed their website and now shows offers for July, but the Compact IV is nowhere to be seen!

[ljames28]

There are lots of dates flying around from different people, some old sources say the start of july so people have made the link and said July 1st, then someone reads someone thoughts as fact etc.

Tmobile themselves have not yet publicly given an actual date. Staff have given dates but even they conflict

[aiwama]

There are lots of dates flying around from different people, some old sources say the start of july so people have made the link and said July 1st, then someone reads someone thoughts as fact etc.

Tmobile themselves have not yet publicly given an actual date. Staff have given dates but even they conflict

I think it is a pity. Unless somebody proves me wrong, I think it is not to a network's advantage to keep silent about new releases. I bet a lot of T-Mobile costumers are getting ready to leave to other networks that have already announced the Diamond or its versions! I really don't understand that. Business-wise it does not make sense. You call them and there's no firm answer. Can you imagine calling Heathrow and ask "when does the BA flight 123 from Tokio lands" and get ten different answers from ten different people? Well, bad example... maybe you can... Anyway, do you get me? :p

[ljames28]

I think it is a pity. Unless somebody proves me wrong, I think it is not to a network's advantage to keep silent about new releases. I bet a lot of T-Mobile costumers are getting ready to leave to other networks that have already announced the Diamond or its versions! I really don't understand that. Business-wise it does not make sense. You call them and there's no firm answer. Can you imagine calling Heathrow and ask "when does the BA flight 123 from Tokio lands" and get ten different answers from ten different people? Well, bad example... maybe you can... Anyway, do you get me? :p

I see your point, however Tmobile announced it already several months ago, before O2 and Orange and Voda, they're no worse than any other network.

Networks unwilling to give release dates in advance may be because then if they push it back people get more annoyed. It's also difficult to give release dates as you don't know what will delay the release till you start working on it then it's too late.

PS i want the compact 4 asap, I just understand their position.

Has anyone called them recently?

[darthbane2k]

Tuesday? Where did you get this info from? I am not doubting! I am up for renewal with T-Mobile and it would be sweet to go for the MDA Compact IV ASAP. T-Mobile UK has just renewed their website and now shows offers for July, but the Compact IV is nowhere to be seen!

I got that from T Mobile yesterday. They checked their system and confirmed a release date of July 1st.

[aiwama]

I got that from T Mobile yesterday. They checked their system and confirmed a release date of July 1st.

Just spent 15 minutes on the phone with T-Mobile. The lady told me that they don't know when the Compact IV will be released. It is on the "coming soon" list on their computer. She also says she doesn't know why her own colleagues are giving costumers conflicting release dates. Well, who's right and who's wrong!

[darthbane2k]

Just spent 15 minutes on the phone with T-Mobile. The lady told me that they don't know when the Compact IV will be released. It is on the "coming soon" list on their computer. She also says she doesn't know why her own colleagues are giving costumers conflicting release dates. Well, who's right and who's wrong!

Do we have any T Mobile employees on this forum I wonder.. perhaps they could shed some light?

[mr_Ray]

I think it is a pity. Unless somebody proves me wrong, I think it is not to a network's advantage to keep silent about new releases.
That depends on how much stock of the older model it's replacing (in this case, Compact III) they have left to sell. Put the Compact IV on the site before it's ready to sell, kill the sale of the compact IIIs you have left in stock... unless you knock a big number off the price.

Anyway, I wish we'd get a date and accurate specs already... Unless it comes out next week with the full Diamond RAM, i'll probably just wait for the Touch Pro/Vario IV.

[geeMc]

Anyway, I wish we'd get a date and accurate specs already... Unless it comes out next week with the full Diamond RAM, i'll probably just wait for the Touch Pro/Vario IV.

Same here. But to be honest, I don't think that the compact IV will lack in memory. Don't think that t-mobile would do that nowadays again.

[darthbane2k]

Im getting a little imaptient for my Diamond!

My dialemma is whether to get the official HTC version by way of expansys with a T Mobile contract, or upgrade my existing T Mobile SIM only contract to a flext and get the compact IV at a subsidised rate.
If I go with expansys then im tied into the tarrif for 9 months, regardless of whether the contract is 12 or 18 months (they have both options). I would then have to port my current tmobile number to another networks PAYG and then port back again in order to keep my number. If I go the Compact IV route, no number porting will be necessary.
What concerns me about the compact IV is less RAM, half the apps being missing and the ugly custom UI. Can this be unlocked? Can the phone be returned to the way its supposed to be (HTC theme?)

If only T Mobile would hurry with a release date, dammit!

[ljames28]

I read on another forum it's now looking like Mid-Late July for the Compact IV

[bugeyes]

I read on another forum it's now looking like Mid-Late July for the Compact IV

fine by me my contract expires on the first of august . tho I want it now or sooner ! ;p

[darthbane2k]

T Mobile diasappoint again!

Rang today - no Compact IVs available. Their system now reads July/August.
If you want this phone and are on T Mobile, I suggest you buy one offline or go via expansys who offer them on contract.

[mikeycollins13]

My vario 3 just broke for the second time and I am getting my second replacement in the mail tomorrow (not bad t-mobile business). I asked about Diamond and it is going through quality testing which could take up to a month.

[selspiero]

hmm, not surte if i can be bothered to wait. I have asked this in another thread - but i'll put it here anyways!

Just a quick question for you all.

I have a t-mobile contract which is now up. I really want the diamond - and am thinking the best bet is to cancel the contract, and then just get a bundled contract through expansys from the same (flext 30)

Are the contracts that Expansys provide direct from t-mobile? anyone got one, anything different etc???

Only downer is that my number will change, but i can live with that

[darthbane2k]

hmm, not surte if i can be bothered to wait. I have asked this in another thread - but i'll put it here anyways!

Just a quick question for you all.

I have a t-mobile contract which is now up. I really want the diamond - and am thinking the best bet is to cancel the contract, and then just get a bundled contract through expansys from the same (flext 30)

Are the contracts that Expansys provide direct from t-mobile? anyone got one, anything different etc???

Only downer is that my number will change, but i can live with that

I am in exactly the same boat. Im on a Sim only rollling contract with T Mobile and have spoke to Expansys. Theres no way of transferring my number across unless I port my number to another network's Pay As You Go and then port back immediately to my new T Mobile SIM with Expansys.

Whole process should take about a week.

What expansys deal were you thinking of going for? Im a bit wary of 18 month contracts..

[selspiero]

I am in exactly the same boat. Im on a Sim only rollling contract with T Mobile and have spoke to Expansys. Theres no way of transferring my number across unless I port my number to another network's Pay As You Go and then port back immediately to my new T Mobile SIM with Expansys.

Whole process should take about a week.

What expansys deal were you thinking of going for? Im a bit wary of 18 month contracts..

well i'm not too bothered about the 18 months, as i have had 2 with them. I wasthinking of the flext 30 - which is what i am on now with t-mobile, the rates seem extactly the same - so not sure what to do!

Looking around now to see if there are any better deals on the phone

Like you say, having to change number is an arse - but i can live with it.

[darthbane2k]

well i'm not too bothered about the 18 months, as i have had 2 with them. I wasthinking of the flext 30 - which is what i am on now with t-mobile, the rates seem extactly the same - so not sure what to do!

Looking around now to see if there are any better deals on the phone

Like you say, having to change number is an arse - but i can live with it.

Well you CAN keep your number, you will just have to do what I said - port out and port back in again. Why the system is like that, I dont know!
My number is very important to me, so thats why im happy to do that.

There isnt any other contract deals on the phone really - only thing would be to wait for T Mobile to release the compact IV, but we have no idea when that will be now.. at least with the Expansys deal you get the original untouched HTC product.

[selspiero]

Well you CAN keep your number, you will just have to do what I said - port out and port back in again. Why the system is like that, I dont know!
My number is very important to me, so thats why im happy to do that.

There isnt any other contract deals on the phone really - only thing would be to wait for T Mobile to release the compact IV, but we have no idea when that will be now.. at least with the Expansys deal you get the original untouched HTC product.

excatly, i think it might be worth doing anyway - to get the original HTC version.

hmm, well let me know if you do it - i am going to have a think about it tonight!

[ljames28]

I've been looking around for contract deals on tmobile every other day for about a month now. Expansys are the only people that supply Touch Diamonds on Tmobile as far as i know. Their prices for the phone are higher than they would be if you got the phone directly from Tmob though i think, that's why i'm waiting.

The reason you can't port your number from Tmob to Tmob is to stop you doing things they dont want you to like cancelling your contract and signing up with a new one just to get the new customer deals, they want you to upgrade through them instead.

[darthbane2k]

I've been looking around for contract deals on tmobile every other day for about a month now. Expansys are the only people that supply Touch Diamonds on Tmobile as far as i know. Their prices for the phone are higher than they would be if you got the phone directly from Tmob though i think, that's why i'm waiting.

The reason you can't port your number from Tmob to Tmob is to stop you doing things they dont want you to like cancelling your contract and signing up with a new one just to get the new customer deals, they want you to upgrade through them instead.

Actually the prices for flext 30 and flext 35 via Expansys are exactly the same. Also the price of the phone is quite reasonable - £65 for 18 months contract, £95 for 12. Dont expect this phone to be given away 'free' from tmobile direct.

[ljames28]

I was talking about the price for the phone, of course the monthly costs are the same.

It's rediculous for them not to give the phone for free on the Flext35WnW for 18 months, it's £765 over the 18 months then they want you to pay another £53 on top.

The MDA Compact IV will be given away free on Flext30WnW 18 months.

[darthbane2k]

I was talking about the price for the phone, of course the monthly costs are the same.

It's rediculous for them not to give the phone for free on the Flext35WnW for 18 months, it's £765 over the 18 months then they want you to pay another £53 on top.

The MDA Compact IV will be given away free on Flext30WnW 18 months.

Flext30 is £30.
WnW is an add on.
Theres no way in hell they will be giving the phone for free on Flext30.

Last I have been told, it will be free on Flext50 upwards.

[ljames28]

Flext30 is £30.
WnW is an add on.
Theres no way in hell they will be giving the phone for free on Flext30.

Last I have been told, it will be free on Flext50 upwards.

The expansys website says its £65 for Flext30. WnW can either be an add on or part of the contract, it's not only an add on.

The contracts shown here will be available at launch from Tmob: http://www.ukphoneshop.com/T-Mobile/contract/mobile-phones/MDA-Compact%20IV/2255/index.html

The 12month contract details are not available yet.

Either way it's your money, but don't make out Tmob are evil and Expansys are offering the contracts at better prices when you haven't even seen the Tmob prices.

[darthbane2k]

It's rediculous for them not to give the phone for free on the Flext35WnW for 18 months, it's £765 over the 18 months then they want you to pay another £53 on top.



Well, to be fair - that £53 guarantees you an original HTC product with the full spec (T Mobile version has less RAM) and full software (eg Opera, Customised Google maps) intact, unlike the T Mobile version.
Its guarantees that you wont have to put up with a horrible magenta UI and a nasty redesigned case.

[ljames28]

Well, to be fair - that £53 guarantees you an original HTC product with the full spec (T Mobile version has less RAM) and full software (eg Opera, Customised Google maps) intact, unlike the T Mobile version.
Its guarantees that you wont have to put up with a horrible magenta UI and a nasty redesigned case.

The Tmob version will not have less ram. The test version that Czech guy had only had less ram because it was a test version not for sale, just like all the other Touch Diamond test versions that the other review sites had. The test versions also contain incomplete roms so you cannot judge things like software or performance.

[darthbane2k]

The Tmob version will not have less ram. The test version that Czech guy had only had less ram because it was a test version not for sale, just like all the other Touch Diamond test versions that the other review sites had. The test versions also contain incomplete roms so you cannot judge things like software or performance.

Link to confirmation of this please...

Every journalist covering the compact IV thus far has cited the reduced RAM.

[ljames28]

Link to confirmation of this please...

Every journalist covering the compact IV thus far has cited the reduced RAM.

Every journalist covering the compact IV thus far has had a no-for-sale test unit - therefore they're assuming it will not change, as opposed to it being confirmed.

The only difference between the Compact IV and the Diamond is the styling, weight, and software.

[darthbane2k]

Every journalist covering the compact IV thus far has had a no-for-sale test unit - therefore they're assuming it will not change, as opposed to it being confirmed.

The only difference between the Compact IV and the Diamond is the styling, weight, and software.

Please show me the confirmation that the compact IV will have the same ram as the HTC Touch Diamond

[ljames28]

Please show me the confirmation that the compact IV will have the same ram as the HTC Touch Diamond

There isn't any, like I was just saying all the reviews/previews have been of test units, there's confirmation the test units only had 128mb of ram, but there are no official specs for the MDA Compact IV (there are though oddly for the Vario IV).

[aiwama]

After a written inquiry a few days ago, got a phone call from T-Mobile today informing me that the Compact IV will be available in mid-July. They are "still ironing out with HTC some minor problems" and the lady says that the phone will show on July's T-Mobile catalogue! Has anybody seen the catalogue - because there's nothing on the web!

[darthbane2k]

excatly, i think it might be worth doing anyway - to get the original HTC version.

hmm, well let me know if you do it - i am going to have a think about it tonight!

Did you make your mind up? :)

[jones23]

i'm still in my 14 days return period and i'm a little diappointed with the casing of the diamond. the phone itself i great, but the case itself seems a bit cheap (design, the feel of the plastic). and that the backside isn't even/level bothers me too.

you guys think the case of the mda will be more worthy ? At least I got that impression from the screens floating around.

[darthbane2k]

i'm still in my 14 days return period and i'm a little diappointed with the casing of the diamond. the phone itself i great, but the case itself seems a bit cheap (design, the feel of the plastic). and that the backside isn't even/level bothers me too.

you guys think the case of the mda will be more worthy ? At least I got that impression from the screens floating around.

You got yours from Expansys?
If you dont mind me asking, how much did you pay and what tarrif did you get.

I just spoke to someone who claims they have a mole inside of T Mobile and apparantly the Compact IV is in quality control hell.

[selspiero]

Did you make your mind up? :)


no!

went in the shop yesterday, they reckon august now...

Im going to wait until mid july, if they havent released, or given any indication - then i might just get a new contract

[jones23]

no!

went in the shop yesterday, they reckon august now...

Im going to wait until mid july, if they havent released, or given any indication - then i might just get a new contract

august:eek:, what about the HTC P3702 Victor, the taiwanese Version of the diamond(has the same case as the mda), it was announced for june. maybe i can jet one of those.

@darthbane2k
i got mine from amazon germany. it's retail for 500€, no contract.

[ljames28]

UkPhoneShop now showing it as coming on the 18th of July

[darthbane2k]

Expansys have improved their t mobile contract deals on diamond. More mins/txts on their flext tarrifs and they have added a few of the new combi tarrifs too.
Im not waiting for T Mobile any longer..

[ljames28]

Expansys have improved their t mobile contract deals on diamond. More mins/txts on their flext tarrifs and they have added a few of the new combi tarrifs too.
Im not waiting for T Mobile any longer..

Hrmm, annoyingly they don't have any reasonably priced 12 month contracts, £42.50 over 12 months adds up!

[darthbane2k]

Hrmm, annoyingly they don't have any reasonably priced 12 month contracts, £42.50 over 12 months adds up!

I know.. thats what I thought too, but to be fair 12 month contracts dont really exist anymore.
Plus with the £42.50 deal you can downgrade tariff after 9 months.

[ljames28]

I know.. thats what I thought too, but to be fair 12 month contracts dont really exist anymore.
Plus with the £42.50 deal you can downgrade tariff after 9 months.

Why do you say 12 month contracts dont exist anymore? They don't really exist on the expansys website, but they do from the networks themselves - every network does them.

[darthbane2k]

Why do you say 12 month contracts dont exist anymore? They don't really exist on the expansys website, but they do from the networks themselves - every network does them.

Go on T Mobiles website. How many 12 month deals do you see? Not to mention they dont seem to want to release the MDA Compact IV this side of christmas. Its ridiclious!

[ljames28]

Go on T Mobiles website. How many 12 month deals do you see? Not to mention they dont seem to want to release the MDA Compact IV this side of christmas. Its ridiclious!

Way way less than a month ago, thats very worrying. UkPhoneShop said they aren't listing any 12monthers as Tmobile would be changing their price plans (this was about a month ago) and they wern't sure if theyd be available.

The thing that's putting me off most getting a Touch Diamond is that Tmobile are delaying the Compact IV because of quality control issues or whatever. So whatever problems the Compact IV has, I'm worried the retail Touch Diamond also has these problems so i'd rather wait a month for a fixed Compact IV than get a Touch Diamond now and have problems with it later.

The clock is ticking though, every month passed is another £32.50 down the drain.

[darthbane2k]

Way way less than a month ago, thats very worrying. UkPhoneShop said they aren't listing any 12monthers as Tmobile would be changing their price plans (this was about a month ago) and they wern't sure if theyd be available.

The thing that's putting me off most getting a Touch Diamond is that Tmobile are delaying the Compact IV because of quality control issues or whatever. So whatever problems the Compact IV has, I'm worried the retail Touch Diamond also has these problems so i'd rather wait a month for a fixed Compact IV than get a Touch Diamond now and have problems with it later.

The clock is ticking though, every month passed is another £32.50 down the drain.

I do not honestly think its an issue of quality control thats delaying the compact IV, I think T Mobile are using the time to block many services, such as MSN Messenger and stuff.
The Compact IV will have losts of the Diamonds software and functionality removed, not to mention the gastly magenta UI.
I was seriously considering the T Mobile option too, but they are just taking too damn long to release the phone. Theres a real buzz and demand for this handset right now and they are making a grave mistake having it delayed into August.
If the Compact IV doesnt get released tomorrow, im getting the expansys deal. Although porting my t mobile sim only number out and back in again will be a bitch..

[ljames28]

I do not honestly think its an issue of quality control thats delaying the compact IV, I think T Mobile are using the time to block many services, such as MSN Messenger and stuff.
The Compact IV will have losts of the Diamonds software and functionality removed, not to mention the gastly magenta UI.
I was seriously considering the T Mobile option too, but they are just taking too damn long to release the phone. Theres a real buzz and demand for this handset right now and they are making a grave mistake having it delayed into August.
If the Compact IV doesnt get released tomorrow, im getting the expansys deal. Although porting my t mobile sim only number out and back in again will be a bitch..

It doesn't take months to remove MSN Messenger. I have a Tmob branded Vario 2 and that didn't have anything like Messenger removed. The ugly UI has been shown in those not-for-sale versions of the phone so i would have thought thatd be mostly done also.

Its the sheer amount of posts on this forum about the issues people are having that make me worried, although obviously the forum shows a biased view as all the people with issues are in one place.

FYI i found Virgin to be good for porting to and then away from again using a free sim - they had good English customer service and didnt ask any questions.

[darthbane2k]

It doesn't take months to remove MSN Messenger. I have a Tmob branded Vario 2 and that didn't have anything like Messenger removed. The ugly UI has been shown in those not-for-sale versions of the phone so i would have thought thatd be mostly done also.

Its the sheer amount of posts on this forum about the issues people are having that make me worried, although obviously the forum shows a biased view as all the people with issues are in one place.

FYI i found Virgin to be good for porting to and then away from again using a free sim - they had good English customer service and didnt ask any questions.

The Vario 3 and MDA Touch / Touch Plus all had windows live mobile and messenger strpped out.
The ugly magenta theme occurs in all T Mobile Windows Mobile devices and will be in the final version of the touch diamond.
As for problems with the diamond, yes there have been - but HTC have since released firmware updates which have speeded up the device and ironed out some of the problems. At least with HTC there will be regular updates. How many updates will there be for the T Mobile version of the firmware? If the previous phones are anything to go by - hardly any.

As for virgin - thanks for the tip. How quickly from porting your number in were you allowed to port it out again?

[leaskovski]

On an interesting note, I have just logged into the tmobile site to checkout the upgrades on my account, and the old MDA Compact III is on there available to me as free, with the Touch Plus being £40. My tarrif is Flext30 + WnW - 25% discount (out of contract).

So it will be interesting when this does show up on there how much it will be for. Going by what the touch is currently available to me as, I'm thinking £50?

Oh, and a naff branded TMob version isnt a worry as there will be ROMs a plenty. If you cook them, we will download. :D

[ljames28]

I think porting took under a week - was a few years ago so don't remember exactly sorry.

You make a good point there about HTC updating the roms, I'd just flash it with a HTC rom anyway as soon as i got it anyway so may be a better idea just to get the diamond. Maybe they're waiting for HTC to do a better rom, then they'll apply their tweaks, test it and release it.

[darthbane2k]

You make a good point there about HTC updating the roms, I'd just flash it with a HTC rom anyway as soon as i got it anyway so may be a better idea just to get the diamond. Maybe they're waiting for HTC to do a better rom, then they'll apply their tweaks, test it and release it.

I thinK HTC released a new ROM yesterday..

[darthbane2k]

On an interesting note, I have just logged into the tmobile site to checkout the upgrades on my account, and the old MDA Compact III is on there available to me as free, with the Touch Plus being £40. My tarrif is Flext30 + WnW - 25% discount (out of contract).

So it will be interesting when this does show up on there how much it will be for. Going by what the touch is currently available to me as, I'm thinking £50?

Oh, and a naff branded TMob version isnt a worry as there will be ROMs a plenty. If you cook them, we will download. :D

Im guessing around £50 too.
I have been told that it will be free on Flext 50 and above.
No idea about the Combi tariff deals..

[ljames28]

Do you guys have an idea of how much it is worth in comparison to other phones. Like is it worth more than an Vario 3?

[mr_Ray]

Maybe they're waiting for HTC to do a better rom, then they'll apply their tweaks, test it and release it.
I think that's all there is to it. There were clearly performance issues with older ROMs.

Of course, ROM performance issues don't explain poor communication from customer services.

[darthbane2k]

Do you guys have an idea of how much it is worth in comparison to other phones. Like is it worth more than an Vario 3?

Its a much higher spec phone than the Vario 3. At a guess id say £100 more in terms of worth

[ljames28]

Its a much higher spec phone than the Vario 3. At a guess id say £100 more in terms of worth

It is, i'm just wondering how the network will see it, as it doesn't have a keyboard customers might see it as less of a phone in comparison to the Vario 3

[darthbane2k]

It is, i'm just wondering how the network will see it, as it doesn't have a keyboard customers might see it as less of a phone in comparison to the Vario 3

It wont be priced less than the Vario 3. We're talking Accelometers, 4GB memory, VGA screen, AGPS...

[ljames28]

It wont be priced less than the Vario 3. We're talking Accelometers, 4GB memory, VGA screen, AGPS...

I guess you're right.

With the expansys £42.50 12 month contract over the 12 months it totals £605

Tmobile are offering me the Vario 3 for £150, so the Compact IV will be like £200, so 32.50 on my current contract *12 + 200 = £590

So it's almost the same to upgrade to the Compact IV or cancel and signup to the Expansys Tmob contract

[darthbane2k]

I guess you're right.

With the expansys £42.50 12 month contract over the 12 months it totals £605

Tmobile are offering me the Vario 3 for £150, so the Compact IV will be like £200, so 32.50 on my current contract *12 + 200 = £590

So it's almost the same to upgrade to the Compact IV or cancel and signup to the Expansys Tmob contract

Hold on.. you're already a T Mobile customer out of contract, and the best they can offer you the Vario 3 for is £150??! Id push them some more if I were you... or perhaps its just a tactic to sway you to a 18 month contract

[ljames28]

Hold on.. you're already a T Mobile customer out of contract, and the best they can offer you the Vario 3 for is £150??! Id push them some more if I were you... or perhaps its just a tactic to sway you to a 18 month contract

I havent talked to them on the phone, that's just on the website. I havent asked them by phone as i dont want that mobile.

In 12 months only 1 or 2 bills have used over the allowance so that's probably why i havent been offered better.

[darthbane2k]

The best expansys deals are as follows


1) flext 30 + w&w £37.50 per month for up to 700 mins and up to 1400 txt
= £675 over 18 month contract
+ 64.95 handset charge
= TOTAL £739.95

2) Combo 35 + w&w 42.50 per month for 500 mins and 375 txt
= £510 over 12 month contract
+ 94.95 handset charge
= TOTAL £604.95

1) flext 35 + w&w £42.50 per month for up to 1000 mins and up to 2000 txt
= £765 over 18 month contract
+ 52.95 handset charge
= TOTAL £817.95

[ljames28]

The best expansys deals are as follows


1) flext 30 + w&w £37.50 per month for up to 700 mins and up to 1400 txt
= £675 over 18 month contract
+ 64.95 handset charge
= TOTAL £739.95

2) Combo 35 + w&w 42.50 per month for 500 mins and 375 txt
= £510 over 12 month contract
+ 94.95 handset charge
= TOTAL £604.95

1) flext 35 + w&w £42.50 per month for up to 1000 mins and up to 2000 txt
= £765 over 18 month contract
+ 52.95 handset charge
= TOTAL £817.95

Do you know what you're going to do yet?

The Tmob one is something like 15g lighter, that looks like the only benefit. I wonder how they've done that though as rounding corners can't save that much.

[darthbane2k]

Do you know what you're going to do yet?

The Tmob one is something like 15g lighter, that looks like the only benefit. I wonder how they've done that though as rounding corners can't save that much.

Is it really lighter?

Good comparison article here
http://smartmania.cz/index.php?ind=news&op=news_show_single&ide=1038

However I think if I went with expansys I'll probably go for the 12 month deatl on combi 35. I only use about 500 mins a month on average.

[commodore65]

is the expansys stock with the t mobile deals grey imports still or is it uk stock with uk warranties now

[ljames28]

Is it really lighter?

I've read in loads of places the Tmob version will be 95g and the Touch Diamond is 110g. I think they said that in their original press release.

[rkde]

I have rang a few times and only been told it will arrive shortly and they have had lots of calls about them. shame the UK website does not have it yet so we can have a look at the spec. T-mobile Germany do have the phone listed though its not yet avalible apparently.

http://www.t-mobile.de/shop/handy/0,4855,2963-_10061-0-1-0,00.html

As soon as its avalible someone please let me know, I am looking forward to getting my hands on the phone and firstly removing the pink!

[ljames28]

Good find rkde, that websites states the weight is 98g, Touch diamond is 110g, thats 12g lighter.

[tomchap]

I can confirm that I started a new contract with Tmobile through expansys and I received a UK official diamond.

also UK Buyers,

Ive been following the status of the phone at

http://www.ukphoneshop.com/T-Mobile/contract/mobile-phones/MDA-Compact%20IV/2255/index.html

and its now been put back to the 18/07/08! This is the third time it has been put back. Wonder why that is?

The phone is stated as being 98g on here to.

(Glad I didnt wait! Would of saved me a few quid but would rather of done what I did!)

[selspiero]

Its interesting that it is showing on the german and hollan sites, and not the UK.

That comparison review - is there an english version? anyone that can translate, post any interesting thoughts.

I'm waiting. Reasons are:

1) Not having to change number
2) Its only a month. :D

the july catalog that is refered to - is this their catolog that is in the shops?

[ljames28]

Its interesting that it is showing on the german and hollan sites, and not the UK.

That comparison review - is there an english version? anyone that can translate, post any interesting thoughts.

I'm waiting. Reasons are:

1) Not having to change number
2) Its only a month. :D

the july catalog that is refered to - is this their catolog that is in the shops?

The comparison website can be translated pretty well using Google Translate

[selspiero]

The comparison website can be translated pretty well using Google Translate

blocked at work

[dragon-tmd]

For you guys out there, i made some pictures of the MDA Compact IV and XDA Diamond.

You'll find them here (http://www.mobile-reviews.de/Touch_Diamond/Geraet/index.htm).

Btw: The MDA Compact IV is using the new TouchFlo 3D Version 1.0.1630.30.

[feridoun]

For you guys out there, i made some pictures of the MDA Compact IV and XDA Diamond.

You'll find them here (http://www.mobile-reviews.de/Touch_Diamond/Geraet/index.htm).

Btw: The MDA Compact IV is using the new TouchFlo 3D Version 1.0.1630.30.

Hi

Are the case housing for xda/mda/htc diamonds interchangeable?

thanks

[ukmdb]

Can someone confirm web n walk is still unlimited with T-mobile
Just confused why expansys are selling t-mobile contracts with web n walk and only have a 1GB data allowance?

any ideas anyone?

[ljames28]

Can someone confirm web n walk is still unlimited with T-mobile
Just confused why expansys are selling t-mobile contracts with web n walk and only have a 1GB data allowance?

any ideas anyone?

Normal webnwalk has a 1GB cap, webnwalk Plus is 3GB

[Spawn12]

And their pro package is 10gb if im not mistaken.

[mean-machine]

Theoritically it's unlimited, however fair use policy of 1GB applies. To be honest, I must say that I was using my phone as a modem connection for my PC and apart from standard browsing, I was using P2P with certainly more than 2GB a month, sometimes exceeding slightly 4GB, and noone ever sent me the warning. But my friend exceeded 5GB 2 months in a row and they warned him. I'm talking about the standard W'n'W for £7.50.

[ukmdb]

thanks for the confirmation
expansys here we come

[dragon-tmd]

Hi

Are the case housing for xda/mda/htc diamonds interchangeable?

thanksNo, they are not!

[darthbane2k]

Its interesting that it is showing on the german and hollan sites, and not the UK.

That comparison review - is there an english version? anyone that can translate, post any interesting thoughts.

I'm waiting. Reasons are:

1) Not having to change number
2) Its only a month. :D

the july catalog that is refered to - is this their catolog that is in the shops?

I caved in and bought one through Expansys. Im not bothering with the compact 4 due to ugly customisation, most probably slow release of firmware updates, removal of software such as windows live and even (from what I hear) Teeter!!! most of all because of the unacceptable wait.

As for changing number, like I said I was in the same boat. I currently use a T Mobile SIM only number and want to keep it. Yesterday I aquired a free orange pay as you go SIM, I requested the T Mobile number be ported to it. Porting will take place Monday. On monday I will then get my orange PAC code and port back to the new t mobile SIM.

[ansiacer]

For you guys out there, i made some pictures of the MDA Compact IV and XDA Diamond.

You'll find them here (http://www.mobile-reviews.de/Touch_Diamond/Geraet/index.htm).

Btw: The MDA Compact IV is using the new TouchFlo 3D Version 1.0.1630.30.

I think I prefer the look of the MDA...but not sure I can wait long enough!!!

[ljames28]

Modaco reporting apprently it'll be out on Tmob this weekend

http://www.modaco.com/content/pocket-pc-professional-news/269924/touch-diamond-to-roll-on-to-orange-and-t-mobile-this-weekend/

[soulkey]

I Just want to inform you that the MDA Compact IV is now available at t-mobile Germany.

--> http://www.t-mobile.de/shop/handy/0,4855,2963-_10061-0-1-0,00.html

I already ordered mine. :D

[scoob8254]

Can someone confirm web n walk is still unlimited with T-mobile
Just confused why expansys are selling t-mobile contracts with web n walk and only have a 1GB data allowance?

any ideas anyone?

fair use policy on tmobile is indeed 1,3 and 10gb depending on package, they dont charge you if you break these tho, but if you break the policy on a regular basis (3 times i believe but cant remember if have to be in a row) they apply a throttle on your account which screws u overand basical means you can still get on the web but is slooooow

[ljames28]

I Just want to inform you that the MDA Compact IV is now available at t-mobile Germany.

--> http://www.t-mobile.de/shop/handy/0,4855,2963-_10061-0-1-0,00.html

I already ordered mine. :D

AWESOME! *Crosses his fingers for UK release*

[rkde]

Phoned the CS of tmobile and they are still seeing comming soon on the screen, they are saying it will be in before the 17th and the shops will not know about it till it arrives. My local shop will ring me and put one aside as soon as it comes in :)

[Huey85]

I notice that the original HTC case is included in the photos of the MDA Compact IV - does it come in the box???

[rkde]

from T mobile

MDA Compact IV
rechargeable battery Li ion polymer 900
stereo Headset
charger
USB data cable
replacement Stylus
pocket quick reference guide
display protection foil
CD-ROM with manual
and addition software

No sign of a case in the list, we will find out soon though when the UK confirm the release which should be on the website on the 7th apparently

[tildesley]

from T mobile

MDA Compact IV
rechargeable battery Li ion polymer 900
stereo Headset
charger
USB data cable
replacement Stylus
pocket quick reference guide
display protection foil
CD-ROM with manual
and addition software

No sign of a case in the list, we will find out soon though when the UK confirm the release which should be on the website on the 7th apparently

will this be limited like previous mda compacts; ie like no wifi and stuff?

[ljames28]

will this be limited like previous mda compacts; ie like no wifi and stuff?

It will have Wifi.

The only thing thats rumoured is it may have 128mb and not 192mb of ram but this was based on test versions of the phone. The full specs of the Compact IV hasnt been released yet

[pen6uin]

you have got to love t-Mobile ive had 2 conversations with them today regarding the release of the diamond a nice young lady said the last quarter and a Gent said within a couple of weeks, this may have been because i was asking him questions on the fact expansys have the phone on the contract im on now (which finishes in a few days) for £50 quid but i carnt keep my number even thou its still with t-mobile,now i have read a post somewere about porting it to a payg sim and then porting it to t-mobile hmmm sounds interesting idea anyone done this ?

[ljames28]

you have got to love t-Mobile ive had 2 conversations with them today regarding the release of the diamond a nice young lady said the last quarter and a Gent said within a couple of weeks, this may have been because i was asking him questions on the fact expansys have the phone on the contract im on now (which finishes in a few days) for £50 quid but i carnt keep my number even thou its still with t-mobile,now i have read a post somewere about porting it to a payg sim and then porting it to t-mobile hmmm sounds interesting idea anyone done this ?

You probably read it in this thread, someone in this thread is in the progress of doing it, i've done it previously, its a tried and tested method.

[spangelsaregreat]

from T mobile

MDA Compact IV
rechargeable battery Li ion polymer 900
stereo Headset
charger
USB data cable
replacement Stylus
pocket quick reference guide
display protection foil
CD-ROM with manual
and addition software

No sign of a case in the list, we will find out soon though when the UK confirm the release which should be on the website on the 7th apparently

Thats great, but what month does the 7th relate too I wonder? ;-)

[TDO]

It will have Wifi.

The only thing thats rumoured is it may have 128mb and not 192mb of ram but this was based on test versions of the phone. The full specs of the Compact IV hasnt been released yet

The Diamond has also only real 128 MB so that make no difference.

TDO

[selspiero]

If it is out in germany - then it can't be long for the UK... i doubt they will want to wait much longer due to the iphone release next week...

[rkde]

I phoned Germany today and although they where not 100% sure the person stated the memory as below;

ROM: 256 MB und RAM: 128 MB
Though this does not confirm that this is the 192MB and the 128 MB which is left.

Looks like the 7th is not today?? as its not on the website, though it was on the German website almost 2 weeks prior to launch. I kind of get the feeling the only time we will know about this phone is as soon as someone gets it...

Would be nice if some of the Germans who have this phone would comment on the speicification.

[selspiero]

just spoken to t-mobile UK again, they still only see it as coming soon... i reckon it will be august now....

grrr.

[Electric Monk]

This is very frustrating, I've been waiting several months (after asking in a T-Mobile shop about the possibility of an HTC Touch Cruise or similar being sold, they told me to wait until June for something). I'm definitely considering doing the number swap out/in thing and just buying a new HTC Touch Diamond from Expansys with a new contract...

[jones23]

mine is getting shipped right in this moment. just got of the phone. the lady says it'll be here by wednesday or thursday.

but probably someone will have it by then from one of the stores. btw the clerk at the shop i was last week said the mda phones are not simlocked when you buy without contract. so if you want one instead of the diamond because of its look, you might import one.

[rkde]

Where did you get that from? I rang tmobile and they are still comming soon??

[selspiero]

sorry, but what network are you with? t-mobile UK? where did you get it from?

[ljames28]

Just called Tmob upgrades again a few minutes ago to check and they still say coming soon, sounds like he's had a lot of people asking after the phone.

[leaskovski]

mine is getting shipped right in this moment. just got of the phone. the lady says it'll be here by wednesday or thursday.

but probably someone will have it by then from one of the stores. btw the clerk at the shop i was last week said the mda phones are not simlocked when you buy without contract. so if you want one instead of the diamond because of its look, you might import one.
Yeah mate! Whatever you say ;)

[Paleaos]

Hmmm! I just spoke an account manager of ours at T-Mobile stating "A client has been told he'll get his Wednesday or Thursday"

She still came back and said "No definate date" and she's pretty much in the know

[feridoun]

mine is getting shipped right in this moment. just got of the phone. the lady says it'll be here by wednesday or thursday.

but probably someone will have it by then from one of the stores. btw the clerk at the shop i was last week said the mda phones are not simlocked when you buy without contract. so if you want one instead of the diamond because of its look, you might import one.

i think he's talking about the german tmo model.

[darthbane2k]

This is very frustrating, I've been waiting several months (after asking in a T-Mobile shop about the possibility of an HTC Touch Cruise or similar being sold, they told me to wait until June for something). I'm definitely considering doing the number swap out/in thing and just buying a new HTC Touch Diamond from Expansys with a new contract...

This is what I did.
My number completed porting to orange PAYG today, and tomorrow I will have it ported back to my new T Mobile SIM.

[jones23]

i think he's talking about the german tmo model.

sorry forgot to mention ;). yes, i was talking about t-mobile deutschland ( germany).
just checked the trace on the website and it's already with the delivery company.

here someone has already the compact 4
http://www.ppc-phones.de/punforum/viewtopic.php?pid=54169#p54169

-> no live messenger
-> no compact qwerty
-> ugly magenta ui

i'm gonna try to flash mine get the original software, when i get mine. will report back

[rkde]

with that stunt I think t mobile recieved a huge amount of calls :) well done for your German order... shame we can't have the phones yet...

[mean-machine]

I just need to remind you that if you buy the phone with T-Mobile directly you get £5 off every month for the duration of the contract what works out as £90!!!
Plus if you order your phone online you get additional 10% off the bill every month. In June it all plans from £35 were included, now it's only from £40 up. Just think that £35 was lowered to £27. Just add £7.50 and you've got line plus W'n'W for £34.50.
It's not at the moment, however they will probably include that plan again in August with this 10% off. If they do it'll work out £144 cheaper than contract with expansys, but we don't know yet how much you'd have to pay for mda compact iv comparing to 50 odd quid you pay now for touch diamond.
£30 flext plan however is likely to still work out cheaper with expansys as the phone is only £65 and I honestly doubt the compact iv will be less that £100...

[Mickey4U]

I manage a high street mobile store and am also waiting for the compact iv. I've got staff discount (50%) on my tariff because we sell t-mobile services. As a result my bill is rarely over £17.50 on a 12m contract yet they are still offering a £210 upgrade discount !!. T-mobile upgrades work by giving you a disount off their 'RRP' for their upgrade handsets. The more you've spent over the last 6 months of your tariff, the more discount they give.

At the moment however the market is extremely tough (hence them offering me a discount that gives almost all phones/MDAs for free despite spending very little). The moral of the story is if you tell them you are going to leave t-mobile for say orange dolphin £35 (which now includes data) on phones 4u website with 10m half price, t-mobile will bend over backwards to keep you as a customer and give you a good deal.

hope that helps you lot to negotiate, I just wish we didn't have to wait for them to get the bloody thing in stock !

Mickey

[Towserspvm2000]

Tmobile didnt do jack s**t to keep me! I was told to cancel my contract and take out a new one with the Varo III because that was cheaper than upgrading from Vario II to the III on my current contract. And that was from the guys in the Tmobile shop, who had phoned retentions for me aswell.

Considering Tmobile blew everyone else away with their phone and package prices a few years ago after they introduced WNW, I'm afraid to say that I'll soon leave them for 02, and now possibly even consider Orange.

Still £279.99 to upgrade to a Vario III right at this moment, two years after paying £80 for a Vario II....

[smou]

here someone has already the compact 4
http://www.ppc-phones.de/punforum/viewtopic.php?pid=54169#p54169

-> no live messenger
-> no compact qwerty
-> ugly magenta ui


hi, i'm the someone who was linked on ppc-phones.de. i got my mda on saturday. i ordered it on friday.
about the memory: mda compact 4 = touch diamond.

[selspiero]

hi, i'm the someone who was linked on ppc-phones.de. i got my mda on saturday. i ordered it on friday.
about the memory: mda compact 4 = touch diamond.

hi mate - anything else different? no wifi i take it?

[saquib]

hi, i'm the someone who was linked on ppc-phones.de. i got my mda on saturday. i ordered it on friday.
about the memory: mda compact 4 = touch diamond.

Can you please tell us the ROM and Radio versions? What is radio reception like ?

In fact, if it is a newer radio or ROM than the WWE version, can you dump it ?

[smou]

Can you please tell us the ROM and Radio versions? What is radio reception like ?

In fact, if it is a newer radio or ROM than the WWE version, can you dump it ?

It has WiFi.

The ROM-Version is:

ROM-Version: 1.37.111.3 GER
ROM-Datum: 06/20/08
Funkempfänger: 1.00.25.03
Protokollversion: 52.26a.25.09U

SPL is 1.37

You see, it's an older version than the WWE version..
Radio reciption is okay. Not so bad as other people say.

[allalps]

just walked into Tmobile store and have been told August now.... :(

[jones23]

just got mine too (charging...).
is it possible to flash the generic htc rom.

[spangelsaregreat]

Hi,

From T-Mobile UK

Upgrades - Coming Soon.

Shop No 1 - August

Shop No 2 - End of July

[jones23]

my first impressions of the mda compared to the touch are:

- the display of the touch seems to be a little sharper. and the temperature of the color seems warmer
the stylus of the mda feels extremely cheap

btw: can i damage the phone, when i remove the battery while it's still on? (phone hung up and I didn't know about the soft reset)

[rkde]

you could on rare conditions brick the device but in general "no". Pulling the battery does no harm

[bugeyes]

Hi,

From T-Mobile UK

Upgrades - Coming Soon.

Shop No 1 - August

Shop No 2 - End of July

ive been told to ring back on one week !
also on my relax 35 price plan it should be free !! cooool

[leaskovski]

Now thats what I wanna hear! Im paying £30 (inc vat) on my current out of contarct tarrif, so i expect to pay a fee quid, but not much! :D Next week as well!! WOOT WOOT!

[molesza]

I was told it was coming on the 14th of july by customer service on the phone.

Any thoughts on this?

[ljames28]

I was told it was coming on the 14th of july by customer service on the phone.

Any thoughts on this?

I'll call upgrades now for another opinion

Edit: Remeber reading on another forum yesterday it's been pushed back till August due to problems during testing

Edit2: Woman on phone spoke like the MDA Compact IV is some obscure handset and i was a weirdo for asking about it, she said it's not on the Coming Soon section but i think she was just plain wrong, i was like "But...err...Its a Tmobile branded handset, designed by Tmobile, why would Tmobile design a handset then not sell it" and she was like "Sorry i don't have any details on that handset" ... numpty!

Anyone else want to try calling up? I never like calling twice, incase i get same person and end up with "I just told you, i haven't heard of it :|"

[ekksman]

I'll call upgrades now for another opinion

Edit: Remeber reading on another forum yesterday it's been pushed back till August due to problems during testing

Edit2: Woman on phone spoke like the MDA Compact IV is some obscure handset and i was a weirdo for asking about it, she said it's not on the Coming Soon section but i think she was just plain wrong, i was like "But...err...Its a Tmobile branded handset, designed by Tmobile, why would Tmobile design a handset then not sell it" and she was like "Sorry i don't have any details on that handset" ... numpty!

Anyone else want to try calling up? I never like calling twice, incase i get same person and end up with "I just told you, i haven't heard of it :|"

called today was informed that should be availe in next 7 - 10 days

[selspiero]

i find it so strange.. they must have had quite a large number of calls on this subject - at least they could has a standard response!!

1) next week
2) end of august
3) what is it?
4) t-mobile are not selling it
5) Coming soon, that could mean upto 6 weeks


are the 5 responses i have had!!

[rkde]

Just to add to the list, I just phoned two different stores and quote "This morning T mobile announced middle of August" same response two different stores, so was there an email about it this morning? I need a new phone now and may be forced down the Orange route... I do really like the T-mobile shell though, Also the tariffs are better!

It is about time T-mobile got their finger out of their bum as they have launched it in Germany so there can't be anything wrong with the material or case and I will have one in German if they can't supply and English one.
Can we ask T-mobile to ship a German phone as part of an upgrade?

[njpollard]

Now that Orange are offering 'unlimited' data on contracts over £35 / month (£30 with online discount or £29.50 in-store with handset trade-in) and extra minutes, their tariffs are pretty competitive with T-Mobile.

I've just moved and I got 650 mins, 3000 texts and unlimited data for £29.50 per month, and the Diamond handset cost £40.

Only advantage of Web & Walk that I could see is if you want to tether your phone to a laptop, which might exceed Orange's 500mb fair use policy (and strictly speaking, they don't allow tethering either).

[ljames28]

Now that Orange are offering 'unlimited' data on contracts over £35 / month (£30 with online discount or £29.50 in-store with handset trade-in) and extra minutes, their tariffs are pretty competitive with T-Mobile.

I've just moved and I got 650 mins, 3000 texts and unlimited data for £29.50 per month, and the Diamond handset cost £40.

Only advantage of Web & Walk that I could see is if you want to tether your phone to a laptop, which might exceed Orange's 500mb fair use policy (and strictly speaking, they don't allow tethering either).

Tmob have a 1GB cap on standard web'n'walk so i guess its a case of how often you tether your laptop to the phone, 500mb is probably enough for 4 days or so a month aswell as usual phone usage

[ljames28]

Good news! Just called up and said i want my PAC to go to orange and the lady said they just got an email today saying they'll have the phone on the 14th of July and to call back then for pricing.

Whoop Whoop :)

[mattfn]

Just to throw a spanner into the works I was told by upgrades last night that t-mobile are releasing it on Monday 14th July. I just don't see how the can delay it any longer it would be commercial suicide what with orange and vodaphone (business) releasing the diamond and o2 the iphone

[Paleaos]

Again I have just spoken to our account manager at T-Mobile and they are saying it will be the 1st August, but will be available to order and probably showing on their website from the 14th July. Same as Vodafone, I just called them as I thought "sod it, I'm not waitin" but Vodafone guy said it's only showing on their site for pre-ordering and is not available until 4th Aug. These guys internal departments really don't talk to each other do they!

[EViS]

Has anyone got any idea what-so-ever how much the Vario IV (Touch Pro) is likely to cost and what sort of contract price?

I'm with O2, however I'd love to get my hands on the new Touch Pro (upgrade from my beloved Mini S for the past two years). I can't see O2 releasing their version for quite some time though...

EDIT: Compact should have said Vario, sorry.

[Paleaos]

Think the Touch Pro on T-Mobile is called the Vario IV (No idea what O2 are to call it) and I have been scouring the web, all indications are 1st week of September, although I've seen the generic quotes saying early August, but these were from sites quoting back in May and early June. I should think it won't be that much more that the Diamond so I'd expect to get it as a freebie without having to fork out for a ridiculous tariff

[ljames28]

Just called up again, on my Flext25 12 month + web'n'walk (£32.50 a month) contract the guy on the phone reckons it'll only cost me £20 for the phone. He was slightly dubious of the July 14th, he thought it'll probably take a day or two after that date but he didnt think it would be anything like august so what you're saying Paleaos is rather worrying.

[Mickey4U]

I got a text yesterday from upgrades saying the phone wll be in on 14th july. The upgrade pricing is £230 and they are giving me £210 discount which is good considering I have a staff acount which only costs £20.25 per month and is 12 month. I don't know what new connection pricingis though.

However I work for phones 4u and online they are doing 10 months half price on dolphin £35 r 12m half price through mobiles2yourdoor.

T-mobile's HSDPA network is better than orange's and also their 1gb is a fair usage policy and they won't charge if you exceed it where as orange will. Playing with the diamond we have in store on orange, google maps alone used 5meg within a minute or so just playing around

Mckey

[Paleaos]

ljames28.... I just find it ridiculous that these organisations seem to have no definitive line of communication (There is a pun here somewhere) As I'm typing this I have had yet another reply from my business rep at T-Mobile after sending her the info in the post above stating the 14th. She asked me who told the person the 14th. Her exact reply is:-

"Hi

Yes I just rang our business retentions and they confirmed august as well"


So the definitive answer isn't the 14th July or the 4th Aug, as their arse doesn't know what their elbow is up to.

Unfortunately I'm afraid we'll just have to wait and see who's right there!

[ljames28]

Well it looks like there is deffinitely communication going on in the customer services/loyalty/retentions departments as everyone got an email with the same info about the release date which theyre now telling customers. As far as i can tell they only got this info recently so you would have thought if its only on preorder or whatever and not actually out then Tmob would make sure that customer services is aware of this. Telling customers the phone is Coming Soon for months is annoying, but telling them its coming out on the 14th and then delaying it for a month will really push people to Orange.

I guess we'll see how this pans out in a few days, fingers crossed its out soon.

Oh also, I keep forgetting, it's out in Germany, why not bring it out here on the same day. I'd be really interested to know the reason for that.

[aiwama]

Well it looks like there is deffinitely communication going on in the customer services/loyalty/retentions departments as everyone got an email with the same info about the release date which theyre now telling customers. As far as i can tell they only got this info recently so you would have thought if its only on preorder or whatever and not actually out then Tmob would make sure that customer services is aware of this. Telling customers the phone is Coming Soon for months is annoying, but telling them its coming out on the 14th and then delaying it for a month will really push people to Orange.

I guess we'll see how this pans out in a few days, fingers crossed its out soon.

Oh also, I keep forgetting, it's out in Germany, why not bring it out here on the same day. I'd be really interested to know the reason for that.

Totally agree! Last week I was rang by T-Mobile and told that the phone was "coming out only on July 14th because it was going through some testing". But, once it came out in Germany, there was no more justifications for delays. T-Mobile is a German company - if they release a mobile phone there, surely it can be used in the UK. Cannot see what is that different between both networks (it is different if you compare the US, though). And then all the contraditory information T-Mobile UK gives to customers. How come people working for the same company say so different things when answering a simple inquiry. Any manager at T-Mobile who does not make their staff (dealing with customers) aware of the Compact IV's existence should be living in another galaxy. Orange (http://shop.orange.co.uk/shop/show/handset/htc_touch_diamond/detail/pay_monthly) and Vodafone (http://www.vodafonebusinessshop.co.uk/Details-Phone-HTC-Touch-Diamond-3021.html) are laughing all the way to the bank. Oh, how many people went for the crapy iPhone today just because they waited and waited and got tired of doing so. Pull yourselves together T-Mobile!!!:mad:

[ljames28]

I think a lot of people may have already left for Orange. Yesterday i rung them up about 9PM because i wanted to get my PAC Code, i went through all the optios to get to the cancellation department and was told there would be up to a 20 minute wait. I found that funny, so many people cancelling on the day Orange release the Diamond that there call centre can't handle it :P

[molesza]

Just spoke to upgrades and they said that T-mobile are still actively testing the phone. She said that there is a little to no chance of it being released on monday. Apparently they are not happy with the performance of the phone with the current ROM it is running. She seemed to know what she was talking about but who knows.

[moorack]

they had a working version of the compact at the t-mobile shop here. (i live in holland)
they diid not sell it but it was for show. i played around a little bit with it and finaly got my awnser about how much ram it has.
for the people who are intrested the mda compact i had in my hands today had 192MB of ram

greetz

[aiwama]

Just spoke to upgrades and they said that T-mobile are still actively testing the phone. She said that there is a little to no chance of it being released on monday. Apparently they are not happy with the performance of the phone with the current ROM it is running. She seemed to know what she was talking about but who knows.

Fair enough! If the phone is not ready they should carry on testing it (I just cannot get how the Germans sorted out all the problems and the Brits are not able to) BUT should also not tell people that it will be out on July 14th - if they know they cannot make it! If this is a customer retention strategy I think it is a silly one - and it is backfiring on their faces. T-Mobile needs to do three things: 1) inform their staff about what is going on and what to say to customers making inquires, 2) put a "coming soon" page on their website ASAP and 3) stop behaving like arrogant, incompetent, stupid, not-a-clue-in-a-million-years bufoons!

[mattfn]

I'm well out of my 18 month contract now and getting fed up with waiting for the Compact IV. Can't understand how they have managed to release in Germany 2 weeks ago but can't get things sorted in the UK. I'm gonna give t-mobile till Wed then I'm off to Orange. :mad:

[rkde]

Gave up and went with Oange! 650 mins unlimited texts, unlimited (500MB) data, traded in an old phone, took it over 24 months. Total £0.00 for the phone, £25.84 for the contract and £4.00 for extra data of 1500MB per month. total £29.84 * 24. So my next HTC will be purchased off line...

[spangelsaregreat]

Gave up and went with Oange! 650 mins unlimited texts, unlimited (500MB) data, traded in an old phone, took it over 24 months. Total £0.00 for the phone, £25.84 for the contract and £4.00 for extra data of 1500MB per month. total £29.84 * 24. So my next HTC will be purchased off line...

Hi,

What contract is that on? How did you get unlimited data for less than £30? Most of the threads I have read so far seem to suggest that new customers won't get what some of the upgraders have got at Orange.

Thanks

[allalps]

Just spoke to retentions team who actually told me its available and even told me i could have it for free on upgrade. So it seems its available though its not on the website at all!

[darthbane2k]

Hi,

What contract is that on? How did you get unlimited data for less than £30? Most of the threads I have read so far seem to suggest that new customers won't get what some of the upgraders have got at Orange.

Thanks

He just said - he took a 24 month contract.

[spangelsaregreat]

Just spoke to retentions team who actually told me its available and even told me i could have it for free on upgrade. So it seems its available though its not on the website at all!

Hi,

What contract is that on? Is this in the UK?

Regards

[spangelsaregreat]

He just said - he took a 24 month contract.

I did notice that, however, there is no contract I can see on the Orange site that offers what he got. Perhaps if we let rkde answer we might get an idea rather than your guesses.

Regards

[darthbane2k]

I did notice that, however, there is no contract I can see on the Orange site that offers what he got. Perhaps if we let rkde answer we might get an idea rather than your guesses.

Regards

if you're willing to commit for 24 months, you can pretty much negotiate whatever you want..

[usys69]

Just spoke to retentions team who actually told me its available and even told me i could have it for free on upgrade. So it seems its available though its not on the website at all!

are u talking about t-mobile?? if so did you order one , expected delivery etc..?

[allalps]

are u talking about t-mobile?? if so did you order one , expected delivery etc..?

Yes spoke to Tmobile. Didnt order as i really want to goto a store and see it first. I may even wait for the Samsung Omnia. Sorry no delivery idea.

[darthbane2k]

Called T Mobile. The phones arent in stock yet, but they have agreed on pricing.
Call them to negotiate

[spangelsaregreat]

Yes spoke to Tmobile. Didnt order as i really want to goto a store and see it first. I may even wait for the Samsung Omnia. Sorry no delivery idea.

Is that in the UK?

[usys69]

Called T Mobile. The phones arent in stock yet, but they have agreed on pricing.
Call them to negotiate

just phoned upgrades - typical t-mobile response (different reply everyone u speak too), they state 'should be' available monday or tuesday
Price currently stands at £230 minus upgrade discount although they wont commit to this until product is launched.

[spangelsaregreat]

Called T Mobile. The phones arent in stock yet, but they have agreed on pricing.
Call them to negotiate

Waiting in the virtual queue now.

Currently on Flext 20 with WnW so will be interesting to see what the offers are.

Regards

[usys69]

Waiting in the virtual queue now.

Currently on Flext 20 with WnW so will be interesting to see what the offers are.

Regards


will be interested to hear what they tell you, just wish they would get there facts together and tell all their customers the same thing. Maybe we should do a poll and get everyone calling them and detailing what t-mobile tell them lol

[spangelsaregreat]

And the reply was.....

"It is still in the testing phase with our engineers."

Regards

[Teppic24]

And the reply was.....

"It is still in the testing phase with our engineers."

Regards

Translation:

"It is still with our engineers who are currently turning everything on the phone pink"

[allalps]

Hi,

What contract is that on? Is this in the UK?

Regards

Hi this is in the UK and was on flex 35.

Cheers
A

[darthbane2k]

I was told £89 if taken with 18 month combi 30 and web n walk, but could be negotiated to around £50 or £60 depending on spending history.

Tell you the truth, they're probably making it up as they go along, and I would personally insist they match the Orange deal of £39.99 - no more.

[spangelsaregreat]

I was told £89 if taken with 18 month combi 30 and web n walk, but could be negotiated to around £50 or £60 depending on spending history.

Tell you the truth, they're probably making it up as they go along, and I would personally insist they match the Orange deal of £39.99 - no more.

That would be my intention, afterall there will be five networks in the UK (T-Mob, Orange, Vodaphone, O2 & 3) all providing the Diamond.

Play them off each other for the best deal.

Regards

[mattfn]

I have just managed to negotiate the MDA compact IV for free on Flext 30 with WnW along with a 25% retention discount, works out to just over £28pm. You have to work them hard and you'll be able to negotiate. I was told that I can't order the phone today but they save the negotiated bundle on your account for 10 days. Agent told me that they would be accepting orders come Mon/Tue this week so to call back then to take up the offered deal with a view to getting deliveries out by the end of the week. Looks like we may actually be getting somewhere :)

[spangelsaregreat]

I have just managed to negotiate the MDA compact IV for free on Flext 30 with WnW along with a 25% retention discount, works out to just over £28pm. You have to work them hard and you'll be able to negotiate. I was told that I can't order the phone today but they save the negotiated bundle on your account for 10 days. Agent told me that they would be accepting orders come Mon/Tue this week so to call back then to take up the offered deal with a view to getting deliveries out by the end of the week. Looks like we may actually be getting somewhere :)

The guy I spoke to didn't make any attempt to offer a deal until the device had been released. Good to hear what that offer you have had, its about what I would want.

Regards

[aiwama]

Just spent 45 (yes 45!) minutes on the phone with two different T-Mobile agents. (actually one agent and one supervisor). Both of them referred to their respective bosses to get answers for me. A summary of my questions and their answers:

1. When will Compact IV be available?
"Our computers say it will be soon. It is still under testing."

2. Some of your colleagues are saying that it will be available on Mon/Tue...
"Don't know about that. My computer says 'coming soon'. Doesn't say when."

3. Do you have different computer systems?
"No. It's just one system for the different call centres."

4. So, how come some of your colleagues are already offering deals!?
"That's not possible in T-Mobile. Maybe some other network."

5. How come T-Mobile Germany has been selling Compact IV for 2 weeks and the same PDA is not available in the UK?
"I think the German version is different. Our mobiles are not going to be the same."

6. T-Mobile Germany offers in their Compact IV exactly the same stuff. So, whatever the glitches are in the UK why don't you get info from them?
"I guess the British Compact IV will be different."

7. Are you aware of all your customers leaving in droves for Vodafone and Orange?
"We are still offering the best deals in the marketplace."

8. Well, if the testing doesn't end soon I'll be calling for my PAC.
"No problem, sir."

:confused:;):mad::eek:

[mattie01]

they told me early next week and wont neg on any deals untill the phone is released.

if they cant better the orange deal i will leave for that, as its less of a deal that the mobile data is looking better.

[Towserspvm2000]

Waiting in the virtual queue now.

Currently on Flext 20 with WnW so will be interesting to see what the offers are.

Regards

This is what i'm on, so let us know what you hear.... "Tmobile will be pleased to offer you the upgrade for £199, Sir"

[mikealder]

I wanted the Rapheal on T-Mobile (Vario 4) but this is being delayed from what I was told, in the end I decided to switch to MWg with the Zinc-II, its not here yet but a decent looking unit, no VGA screen, but I don't consider that a big problem - VGA on such a tiny screen isn't going to be much use. And the slightly higher speed internet access would only be available in certain areas.
I did consider the Compact IV but I have missed the fold out keyboard, so it was time to shop around and sadly HTC didn't come up with a device that on paper meets my needs - Mike

[spangelsaregreat]

Hi,

With tomorrow being another of the Compact IVs d-days I decided today to see what other deals I could get on the Diamond.

I went to Phones4U as they were the only local store with it in stock. However, there were not able to offer anything better than what Orange have online.

Did have a play with the phone and it is nice, I really like the size, basically what I have been looking for from a WinMob for a while.

I also phoned Orange to see if it was possible to get any deals on their £30 tariffs (e.g get the line rental for less as some others on the forums have managed) but unless you are a previous customer they would not budge.

I am a very low user in terms of talk time and text but need the unlimited data. Oranges tariffs don't really suit me for data if I am buying all those texts and minutes and not using them.

So the wait continues for T-Mobile and we will see what they can offer on upgrade or new contracts.

Regards

[mikealder]

Have a look at the unit I mentioned in the post above yours, it doesn't have VGA but so what and it can be purchased on T-Mobile with Web-n-Walk which is still the best for data in the UK on a flat fee from what I have experianced, otherwise wait until I get it and I will post up what I think of the unit, the current HTC devices are suffering from poor graphics drivers and feel slow in use, whether this is due to the Touch interface I am not too sure, but all I want is a PPC based phone with GPS - time to go back to basics and something that works (I hope) - Mike

[selspiero]

some more information:

just spoken to upgrades this morning, and it is now on their system. I have upgraded to the MDA COmpact IV on a Flext 50 for free.

It is showing as out of stock on her system, but she thinks they will be coming in at 'some point' today, so it has been noted on my account, and i will get a call today before 7:30...

so - just got to wait for the stock now!!

[mattie01]

intresting as i spoke to sales and they said it wasn't going to be released untill end of august.

[selspiero]

intresting as i spoke to sales and they said it wasn't going to be released untill end of august.

what this morning? did they say whether or not it was on the system?

I have spoken to them many times over the last few weeks, but today was the first time they offered me prices... the phone still says out of stovk, but i suppose that is better than coming soon.

I suppose it could well be out of stock until the end of august!!

[theevildrd]

I spoke to the T-mobile upgrade team yesterday and was told that it wouldn't be available until the end of July.

The lady I spoke to, couldn't tell me if that meant that I could pre-order it at the end of July, or if it would be available to purchase at the end of July, or if it would in their shops by then.

However, this was much better than earlier on in the week when I was told that it would be available by August, and the day after I was told that they didn't know anything about it.

Very exciting that you were able to order a unit this morning. I must ring the upgrade team today to see what part of the T-mobile Chinese whispers game the representative has to offer me. Fingers crossed that I get hold of somebody who knows what is going on.

theevildrd

[mattie01]

they said it was showing on the system and they had possible prices but these where subject to change as it hadn't been relased.

i did say that orange had it avalible now and for £39:99 on a £30 a month contract. which she went to the orange website to confirm, as she didn't think they had released it yet.

she seemed pleasent enough and i think was geniuely trying to be helpfull.

i'm just getting fed up with the waiting game. when i know i can get it on Orange.

[selspiero]

they said it was showing on the system and they had possible prices but these where subject to change as it hadn't been relased.

i did say that orange had it avalible now and for £39:99 on a £30 a month contract. which she went to the orange website to confirm, as she didn't think they had released it yet.

she seemed pleasent enough and i think was geniuely trying to be helpfull.

i'm just getting fed up with the waiting game. when i know i can get it on Orange.

i know what you mean, but the orange packages arent as good, plus i have employee calls on my t-mobile account, so flext50 only costs me 25 quid a month w/ data...

[leaskovski]

Well, it isnt showing up on the website yet, so techinically it isnt available on T-Mobile (yet). How slow are they! Get with it TMOB!

[mattie01]

they also said they are a inbound call centre so cant call me when its released. which makes sense as they are a retentions department.

[oscilx]

Spoke to them today and was told not in stock yet, no release date. But would be called when it is released... Typical T-mob.. no consistency :)

[idonxda]

Same here,I just spoke to them ad intially he as ssying there is no such information on this phone and then after couple of seconds he told me that phone is howing up in the ssyetem but they don't have ny relase date for it and can't take the orders because they don't have price info.Its redicolous and poor management of customer services and every time different stories we heard when we call the,

I think we need to sue their poor customer services and i would advice them to work more colabartly in the team and should have team meeting everyday to update eveyone same single info.

[darthbane2k]

One can only imagine the number of customers T Mobile will be losing over this debacle.

[mattie01]

how can it be that hard to have a release date...

[njpollard]

One can only imagine the number of customers T Mobile will be losing over this debacle.

Probably not too many. We're an impatient lot on this forum ;)

Compared to the amount of people who will switch to O2 because of the iPhone, the handful of us who switched from T-Mobile to get the Diamond are the least of their worries.

[leaskovski]

heh, well i got bored of reading what everyone else has been told so i phoned up upgrades and the guy i spoke to knew i was going to ask about the compact iv! lol, he was even laughing about it. He said it should be available in 1 to 2 weeks and that there is currently no price information for the phone. He even said that he is waiting for it as well.

[josep54]

"Thanks for your further email Alistair, asking me about the Compact IV phone.

Firstly, I'd like to apologise for the delay in replying to you. This is due to the increasing popularity of our email service, and I appreciate your patience.

I'm pleased to hear that you're interested in the Compact IV phone. I understand how important it is to know the services it provides before you buy it.

I'm delighted to tell you that we're looking to release the phone around 18 July. I'm also aware that it will have the WiFi enabled. This information is subject to change at any time."


but i may wait around for a vario 4 since it is under 2mm thicker than my compact 3 and i'll be able to put a memory card in it. nah, i'll probably just get one on a 12 month contract.

[selspiero]

its going to have to be this week - it is now out on orange and vodafone!! come on!!

[darthbane2k]

heh, well i got bored of reading what everyone else has been told so i phoned up upgrades and the guy i spoke to knew i was going to ask about the compact iv! lol, he was even laughing about it. He said it should be available in 1 to 2 weeks and that there is currently no price information for the phone. He even said that he is waiting for it as well.

Thats funny, because they had price information yesterday - were even able to give me a quote.

I think you guys should call T Mobile Head Office - see what they have to say on the matter...

[selspiero]

Thats funny, because they had price information yesterday - were even able to give me a quote.

I think you guys should call T Mobile Head Office - see what they have to say on the matter...

yup - they gave me pricing info this morning, and will call me when it is in stock... so hope to hear from them by 2010

[ljames28]

Thats funny, because they had price information yesterday - were even able to give me a quote.

I think you guys should call T Mobile Head Office - see what they have to say on the matter...

The pricing info isn't quite 100%, so they can give you an estimate based on how much the phone costs and how much discount you would get, but this is subject to change. Therefore not everyone will give a price.

[mattie01]

ok, well i just decided to get the phoen on orange, on there dolphine 30 with "unlimted" internet.(lol i almost broke into laughter when i was ordering it.)

so you can all rest assurerd that with my luck the t-mob version will now be released in the next couple of days lol.
in which case i will cancel my orange contract under the long distance selling regulations, and then order the t-mob version. :)

plus the couple of days of use. will give me a insight to if its actually worth the wait for the t-mob upgrade :)


(god i am so impatient.)

[darthbane2k]

ok, well i just decided to get the phoen on orange, on there dolphine 30 with "unlimted" internet.(lol i almost broke into laughter when i was ordering it.)

so you can all rest assurerd that with my luck the t-mob version will now be released in the next couple of days lol.
in which case i will cancel my orange contract under the long distance selling regulations, and then order the t-mob version. :)

plus the couple of days of use. will give me a insight to if its actually worth the wait for the t-mob upgrade :)


(god i am so impatient.)

Dont even sweat - this is T Mobiles fault. You are not the only person who has done this, they will learn the hard way.

On another topic - did you get a free iPod touch with your Orange phone?

[silkw0rm]

got mine through the expansys route with a t-mobile contract.
now my problem is i cannot connect to the internet,
does anyone have the settings for t-mobile uk.

also it the diamond seems to have a lag on it ie: when i touch the screen there is a little pause before it gets going is there a fix to make this quicker.
cheers
a new diamond owner

[mattie01]

i cant see how expanses are making any money on that deal its not lik its a pre-packaged deal or anything. as i sid i'll see what the phone. then make a choice based on that. if the handset is fine but the data on O is naff then i will look at the expanses deal or just wait for the t-mob upgrade

[usys69]

latest from t-mobile -just spoken & internal memo issued to all staff, compact iv will definately be released one day this week BUT in very limited quantities until august! something to do with retail stores getting priority over tele/web sales.
On a £30/month contract expect to pay £20 for the phone. Hope this helps

It would be nice to have an official response on here from t-mobile

[darthbane2k]

got mine through the expansys route with a t-mobile contract.
now my problem is i cannot connect to the internet,
does anyone have the settings for t-mobile uk.

also it the diamond seems to have a lag on it ie: when i touch the screen there is a little pause before it gets going is there a fix to make this quicker.
cheers
a new diamond owner


Flash the new HTC ROM and both problems will be solved.

Tip - Ring T Mobile and say Orange are giving free internet with their tariffs, they will remove the Web and Walk charge for you.

[ljames28]

Flash the new HTC ROM and both problems will be solved.

Tip - Ring T Mobile and say Orange are giving free internet with their tariffs, they will remove the Web and Walk charge for you.

Huh? You can call them and say "I just signed up to a new contract with you, but someone else offers free internet that you're charging me for, even though i was fully aware of this when i signed up and if i cancel i owe you several hundred pounds, will you please give me free internet?"

Why would that work? I can understand if you're contract had ended, but it doesnt make sense if youve just started a contract.

[darthbane2k]

Huh? You can call them and say "I just signed up to a new contract with you, but someone else offers free internet that you're charging me for, even though i was fully aware of this when i signed up and if i cancel i owe you several hundred pounds, will you please give me free internet?"

Why would that work? I can understand if you're contract had ended, but it doesnt make sense if youve just started a contract.

yep worked with me.
It worked because i was within my 14 day grace period and I said I was tempted to go with orange, who also have diamond, and get free internet

[ljames28]

yep worked with me.
It worked because i was within my 14 day grace period and I said I was tempted to go with orange, who also have diamond, and get free internet

Oh right that makes sense. I was thinking if you left youd have to pay several hundred quid so theres no reason they would need to make you stay, didn't realise you were still in the grace period.

[bugeyes]

Hi,

With tomorrow being another of the Compact IVs d-days I decided today to see what other deals I could get on the Diamond.

I went to Phones4U as they were the only local store with it in stock. However, there were not able to offer anything better than what Orange have online.

Did have a play with the phone and it is nice, I really like the size, basically what I have been looking for from a WinMob for a while.

I also phoned Orange to see if it was possible to get any deals on their £30 tariffs (e.g get the line rental for less as some others on the forums have managed) but unless you are a previous customer they would not budge.

I am a very low user in terms of talk time and text but need the unlimited data. Oranges tariffs don't really suit me for data if I am buying all those texts and minutes and not using them.

So the wait continues for T-Mobile and we will see what they can offer on upgrade or new contracts.

Regards


Funny i went into my local phones4u branch and played with the diamond they had and bought it on the spot this is the deal i got:-

Phone= free
plan= dolphin 35 with 500mb internet , 600 min cross network and unlimited texts
oh and as they also deal with sky packages i got

my landline transfered to sky and had sky 6mbs broadband added to my sky account all for £10.00 per month saving me about £25-£30

and to top all this they gave my £140,00 cash to walk away with!

what did i payout on the day?

£00.00

wtf????? love it!!!!!!!

[OK!]

I hate to break it to you but if you've been told you've preordered one this isn't the case. You're relying on that person being around when the stock comes in, and they'll then manually place the order.

The Compact IV will be released this week I am told, and I will definately be taking a slice of that initial stock shipment. ;)

I wouldn't blame the agents for not knowing when the delivery will be, this information isn't forthcoming to them.

[darthbane2k]

Funny i went into my local phones4u branch and played with the diamond they had and bought it on the spot this is the deal i got:-

Phone= free
plan= dolphin 35 with 500mb internet , 600 min cross network and unlimited texts
oh and as they also deal with sky packages i got

my landline transfered to sky and had sky 6mbs broadband added to my sky account all for £10.00 per month saving me about £25-£30

and to top all this they gave my £140,00 cash to walk away with!

what did i payout on the day?

£00.00

wtf????? love it!!!!!!!

Congrats man.
You negotiated a great deal.

[ljames28]

I hate to break it to you but if you've been told you've preordered one this isn't the case. You're relying on that person being around when the stock comes in, and they'll then manually place the order.

The Compact IV will be released this week I am told, and I will definately be taking a slice of that initial stock shipment. ;)

I wouldn't blame the agents for not knowing when the delivery will be, this information isn't forthcoming to them.

Nobodies said they've preordered one have they?

[spangelsaregreat]

Funny i went into my local phones4u branch and played with the diamond they had and bought it on the spot this is the deal i got:-

Phone= free
plan= dolphin 35 with 500mb internet , 600 min cross network and unlimited texts
oh and as they also deal with sky packages i got

my landline transfered to sky and had sky 6mbs broadband added to my sky account all for £10.00 per month saving me about £25-£30

and to top all this they gave my £140,00 cash to walk away with!

what did i payout on the day?

£00.00

wtf????? love it!!!!!!!

Can't say I was trying to buy quite as much as you, and they certainly never offered the phone for free.

If you ignore all the other stuff you bought you can still get the same thing on Orange for £30 pm.

What was the £140 cash back for?

Is the £10 per month broadband capped and is that price for the length of the contract?

Regards

[OK!]

Nobodies said they've preordered one have they?

I got that impression from selspiero's post. Just didn't want him getting his hopes up. :)

[Notty]

been waiting for weeks for the MDA IV - perhaps I can stretch til the Vario arrives... spoke to T-Mobile today, they say if 'it' does arrive this week, wednesday will be the day. This I am told is the day new phones are shipped to the T-Mobile distribution centre. I was told to call after lunch when deliveries were logged.

[OK!]

You've been fobbed off I'm afraid... Deliveries come in on various days of the week. Besides, these have been sitting in a warehouse somewhere for weeks; T-Mob wanted to clear their Compact III stock before releasing.

[TJ72]

You've been fobbed off I'm afraid... Deliveries come in on various days of the week. Besides, these have been sitting in a warehouse somewhere for weeks; T-Mob wanted to clear their Compact III stock before releasing.

Yep thats what I was informed of.

Seams they think they will get rid of all the compact III first.

might be in for a long wait :(