Bye bye Touchflo3D

[P996]

First I need to say that I really liked Touchflo3D a lot and I didn't stopped using it because it looks bad or may slow down the Diamond a little bit.
I stopped using it because it reminds me too much of the iPhone...unfortunately minus the iPhone usability.

After I went back to the "classic" stylus and thumb operation, my lost happiness using the Diamond returned back. I also enjoy to be able again to easily read all my appointments and tasks which was almost impossible with Touchflo3D.

Tochflo3D looks great, in my opinion better than the iPhone GUI, kudos to HTC for that.
Unfortunately it doesn't offer the same comfort and usability of the iPhone GUI, so it is useless to me. Once HTC succeeds in integrating WM6.1 into Touchflo3D(or vice versa), I may give it another try but right now, it is just a fancy but pretty much useless GUI which reminds me too much of the iPhone comfort and usability and which of course starts to annoy me once I realize that it doesn't work even close to how good the iPhone GUI works with touch operations.

So if you're annoyed by Touchflo3D but still use it because it looks so nice...STOP using it, you will be much more happy with your Diamond, believe me. Once Touchflo3D is gone, you don't compare it to the iPhone anymore, reminding you of the "good old" stylus/thumb operation days and how good the Diamond can be used that way compared to older devices.

Try it, you may love it.

[ziggyred]

Good call.

I have done the same and only really miss the cute SMS graphics...

HTC obviously CAN do good interfaces as the old TouchFlo was excellent, but this one just isn't quite there yet, and also feels somewhat fiddly compared to the iPhone.

In the meantime the TD runs much better without TF3D, and you can start realising its full potential. Also you are not tempted to use their somewhat flaky audio player etc and can start to look at other alternatives.

If you want gestures and nice graphics, try SPB Shell 2. Works very well and looks great.

Otherwise, try using the device as the WM6 phone it so obviously is, and start to enjoy it...

:)

[Aqrab]

from the first i didnt like the Touchflo3D its buggy so i disable it and use the normal mode :)

[TML1504]

Yeah, I do fully agree to that!
The "classic" windows mobile interface looks very well on the diamond,
and without TF3D it's fast as hell!

[jpkeates]

Spb mobile shell is the best interface.

Touch Flo 3d was slow and killed the diamond.

[Spawn12]

Have to agree with most of the posts in here, TF3D is nice but its such a resourcce hog that after almost a day of using the Diamond...the phone becomes so sluggish even with the tweaks enabled.

Im seriously considering going to the normal non tf3d screen as it doesnt eat as much memory/resources as the tf3d does.

Seriously just try leaving the phone for most of the day and u will see that from 50% it goes up to 70% and makes the phone very sluggish.

Saying that i do hope HTC fix it with a future rom update or perhaps one of the guys in here can do it becuase its a nice interface when it works.

[pilib]

Does anyone have the registry switch details for touchflow 3d? Thanks.

[billybobjones]

windows mobile is one ugly thing and the stylus...no thanks...

when i get the touch pro..tf3d it is.

[pedmond]

Does anyone have the registry switch details for touchflow 3d? Thanks.

What do you mean? It's a Today plugin, just disable it...

[ruffruff]

What do you mean? It's a Today plugin, just disable it...

well, disabling it doesnt give us more ram, does it?
i hope that new rom cookers can find us a solution to freed up the ram so that we can use it for other applications :)

[pedmond]

well, disabling it doesnt give us more ram, does it?


What do you mean? Won't give us more RAM, indeed, but will free quite a bit of the existing one... :p

Note to self: stop using the "what do you mean" expression...

[pilib]

Pardon my earlier stupid question re a registry switch for touchflo. It is of course, as pointed out, simply a today plugin, easily disabled by a t(h)ick!

[Yzord]

Well, apparantly some people haven't heard of flashing your phone. My TD with TF3D is fast as hell with my new rom.

[MaverickCH]

Hi

I also disabled Touchflo3D. Is there another possibility to access the weather-application from Touchflo3D? Or does anybody know a similar programm running with WM 6.1?

[ellys]

after you install spb mobile shell, how do you disable/remove touchflo? and make spb shell the default one etc

[zaki67]

Settings-today-items:check SPB and remove the check from tf3D ..DONE!

[salada2k]

Well, apparantly some people haven't heard of flashing your phone. My TD with TF3D is fast as hell with my new rom.

Which ROM are you using?

[Riel]

Using TLR now, and I really can't stop using TFLO3D.

It's damn fast here, and really, getting the everyday things done (read sms, read mail, launch a navigator, make a picture) TFLO3D is really, really good.

No buggs at all, and really fast. The first ones were a bit sluggish, but I can wipe my finger "left-right-left-right" in 1 second, and TFLO3d follows it perfectly.

In terms of usability for me, it gets at least 8 out of 10. There are some things I miss, like reordering my tabs and GETTING A DECENT CALENDAR but for the rest its great.

It brings back the simpleness of a mobile phone to the foreground, while still you have a suberb device at the background.

[salada2k]

I quite like it too but I do miss the exact things you have just mentioned. I'm not looking for a replacement, but I do wonder can it be hacked so we can get more out of it? Or must we wait for HTC to listen to our cry for help. This is my first HTC device so I don't know, but from what I hear we should not be holding our breath. This surprised me, as I buy other HTC's for my staff at work, and HTC's reputation to me was exemplary, and they are the market leaders. Then I came here, and now I hear so much bad stuff about them.

[P996]

Using TLR now, and I really can't stop using TFLO3D.

It's damn fast here, and really, getting the everyday things done (read sms, read mail, launch a navigator, make a picture) TFLO3D is really, really good.

No buggs at all, and really fast. The first ones were a bit sluggish, but I can wipe my finger "left-right-left-right" in 1 second, and TFLO3d follows it perfectly.

In terms of usability for me, it gets at least 8 out of 10. There are some things I miss, like reordering my tabs and GETTING A DECENT CALENDAR but for the rest its great.

It brings back the simpleness of a mobile phone to the foreground, while still you have a suberb device at the background.

You never used an iPhone, did you? ;)
I'm using the TLR ROM too but Touchflo3D is C.R.A.P..
I owned WM phones before(TyTN, TyTN II, i780, etc.) and I like Windows Mobile, version 6.1 is really a good step towards a finally very well working phone OS, I just can't wait to see WM7. Like I said before, Touchflo3D LOOKS great, much better than the iPhone GUI but operation SUCKS bigtime, not even close to iPhone. Don't forget that HTC started the whole "touch" series because of the iPhone, not because people really asked for it. That said, a comparison to the iPhone is mandatory and yes, I know, the display technology is completely different and WM6.1 lacks a proper finger touch operation API, right.

I removed Tochflo3D because I wanted to have an almost perfect "classic"(stylus, sometimes fingers) Windows Mobile phone, not a half-bread iPhone wannabee.

What can I say? I'm a happy camper now, especially since I can for example see five different calender events on the same page without having to touch the unit. ;)

Regarding Touchflo3D improvements: I'm not sure we're going to see substantial improvements to the usability(speed isn't really the issue), unless some genius programmer finds a clever way to cope for the different display technology and missing "real" finger usage API of WM6.1. I also wish somebody here on xda-developers with brains and time on this hand could "integrate" WM6.1(icons, etc.) much more into Touchflo3D, so Touchflo3D doesn't look and feel sometimes like a simple GUI "cover" only.
I'm pretty sure that Windows Mobile 7 will be the answer to all our questions and hopes but til then...well...hello Touch Diamond II or whatever it's name will be. ;)

[galinha]

I disabled TFLOW3D and the start bar (upper bar) ramdomly desapear....i have to reset...

Any idea ?

[pedmond]

I disabled TFLOW3D and the start bar (upper bar) ramdomly desapear....i have to reset...

Any idea ?

Are you sure you don't use another Today plugin that would do that?

[galinha]

No plugins....

[lucasjohny]

No plugins....

install s2u2 ...off the screen and turn it on again, work on my diamond rom v1.37 wwe

[galinha]

Dont hava su2...instaled.

[phuzion]

Sorry to dig up an old thread...but i want to remove TF3d from my diamond, i have tried to do it via today, but it just doesnt go...This is on an orange branded phone....any ideas?

[Bozoleclown]

Sorry to dig up an old thread...but i want to remove TF3d from my diamond, i have tried to do it via today, but it just doesnt go...This is on an orange branded phone....any ideas?

I've done this on a HTC TD without any problem, maybe Orange is the problem :confused:

[phuzion]

Ok, it was just me being retarded.....

New problem though, when i have the TF3D active, the homescreen wallpaper is of one of the avatar silhouette and i cannot change it?

[pedmond]

Ok, it was just me being retarded.....

New problem though, when i have the TF3D active, the homescreen wallpaper is of one of the avatar silhouette and i cannot change it?

Go to the Settings Tab and choose Wallpaper. That should work...

[phuzion]

No joy, this is the screen i am getting, on any other tab the usual TF3D background is displayed, but on home i get this:

http://www.phuzion.co.uk/images/htc.jpg
i would post it on here, but the image is pretty big...

[brooks.nl]

I must admit, I disabled TF3D.
It gives me more free memory (at least when I compare it with TF3D) +/- 15%.
It is more stable and much faster.

[pszyman]

Same here, TF3D disbaled with a smile. I like SPB Shell + suit way much better :). Now I really enjoy using this phone.

[top_banana123]

If I could get claunch working but that doesnt seem to work on the diamond?
Pete

[BelugaHval]

I like TF3D. The major reason why i dont want to uninstall it is that i find it anoying to fiddle around with the stylus. Its much quicker just to use fingers; they are always around ;-)
I dont find TF3D slow, especially not with the new ROM 1.93. And the few bugs i found was so minor that it doesnt matter. And i just love the weather tab, its very useful apart from being pretty. I stick to TF3D until something better comes up.

[Mujja]

I like TF3D. The major reason why i dont want to uninstall it is that i find it anoying to fiddle around with the stylus. Its much quicker just to use fingers; they are always around ;-)

Give SPB Mobile Shell a try. You'll be using your stylus even less than you do now with TF3D. It's also more finger friendly.

[PJ6363]

I have to agree with most of the posts here, I have disabled TF3D and gone back to using the Spb programs I have grown to love:
Spb Diary: lovely front end for calander, contacts and others
Spb Plus: lots of finger friendly icons and tabs that are customisable
Spb Traveler: weather and currencies
Spb Time: my Travel alarm clock
Spb Mobile: lots of lovely little faces to phone to, plus front end for messages, etc.....

Runs faster, totally customisable, and lots of features not mentioned here

TF3D might get the girls, but not so practicle if you want to actually "use" your device!!

...and no I don't work for Spb :D

[s1rl4ncel0t]

Can you post some screenshots for us, m8? ;)





HastaSSSSS

[angler]

Spb Pocket Plus is still not compatible with WM6.1 except smart scrolling function only. I don't see it can be run well in Touch Diamond.

[liamhere]

ill install my spb software and see how it goes over the weekend

i have nothing to lose...if don't like it just unistall and turn TF3D back on

using duttys rom so ill see how it goes :)

[Chak]

I have my Diamond from the first week availability..I did use touchflo only the first day.

For me also SPB MS 2.11 is the best application.
With custom ROM I even don't install touchflo.
IF you also disable the phone skin you will have 10 mb extra free memory en this will also boost you diamond.

[marco.catelli]

I love tf3d! I have the diamond from the 1st available day (since I have a store). At the begin I thought it was only a style thing, only to copy Iphone and very not useful and slow. Then I get used to it and after the 1.93 rom it's really really fast. I can reach all everyday features just in 1 second and it's very much finger friendly. I used the iphone and yes, the screen has a different technology and it's even more responsive to fingers, but I found it very slow. When you want to do a thing (assuming you can do it, you can't do anything with iphone, you can only call, sms and stretch pictures!) it takes several seconds, while manila is very very responsive.
Personally I suggest to upgrade rom and get use with it because it's very useful and speed up you're everyday using.
I hope that htc will cover more wm functions (for example alarm, tasks and calendar, sounds and notification) because now that I get used with manila I hate when windows menu pop up!

[marco.catelli]

ps...I used spb too, I loved spb mobile shell 1 when I used older devices while I found unusable spb shell 2, is very annoying and slow to find what you want comparing to tf3d from 1.93 roms

[skrap3]

Lol why should i compare the diamond to the iphone all the time only for using tf3d? And tf3d runs really smooth and fast on my diamond.

[marco.catelli]

yes, it's really good. Can't go without it anymore!

[asci]

I'm giving a try to MobileShell. It works really good and RAM it's ok. But I have to say that I'm disappointed because I can't use my Diamond with its own ROM and softwares without having some problem related to memory leak or system stability. Only with bepe ROM I could use TF3D having always almost free RAM 50 mb. I hope that the final bepe release will allow me to use my Diamond without any kind of problem. TF3D functions, graphics and animations miss me and I really can't understand why I have to to renounce to it.

[Chak]

okay some basic things...
when you want to make a call when driving

SPB:
15 or 30 predefined photo contacts
just 1 click on the photo select the number..mobile, work home..etc..big push buttons.

TF3D
for every person i have to define more photos (home, mobile, Work etc..)
i have to scroll and look at the screen all the time before i can dial..


or did i miss a thing?

[thome.olivier@neuf.fr]

OK but why buy the Diamond if you don't like TF3D?

[asci]

OK but why buy the Diamond if you don't like TF3D?

Well, I love TF3D but it's not the Diamond at all, I mean it's only an interface SW to use it, like SPB Mobile Shell or the famous Lakeridge Wisbar family products. In my opinion the question is different: why HTC or Microsoft developers aren't able to make TF3D a better SW in terms of RAM usage, or why official ROM can't optimize RAM usage when TF3D is running like bepe and others ROM can do?
What's wrong with them? Why we have to tweak, flash over and over? It's not a metter of superfluous playing, it's always an indispensable work to do on our device in order to make them work fine...
:mad:

[aydc]

TF3D's control theme is "Slide your finger, instead of stab at the screen"

I think sliding takes a lot more effort than "stabbing", so I turned off TF3D and returned to my usual Today plugins. My device is now faster, has more RAM available, and I spend less effort trying to use it. Turning off TF3D is win-win-win-win for me. It's a no brainer.

[robinbb]

I am another 'believer' in Mobile Shell...THUS (all other things being equal) I want to use a ROM that does not incorporate Manilla.
The bummer is that these ROMs are few and far between (or like Swots are not clearly listed with what is in them and what is excluded)

[ryousuke]

with the new ROMs being cooked... TF3d is quite fast...

imo the iphone 3g lagged abit with the animations too... not to say it isnt a fast OS... but yeah...
TF3d like i said is quite fast now... but maybe its me but the animation/transistion isnt as smooth? as feeling rushed...

anyway... what i like to see improved from HTC is the album/mp3 music player function... at the moment it plays every song on the front main window... i like to see it ask for artist/album first as original setup (like the weather setup)
then group it... then have the play button open the artist/album track listing ala iphone...

sorry but iphone does some things really basic. basic = perfect...
seeing as the interface has been developed since the ipod days, it should be...

[Aqrab]

yeah in a new rom 1.93 TF3D is really fast and the bugs has been fixed

i side before that i dont like TF3D because its buggy and slow but after this rom they fix the bugs :)

[iliescu902]

well if you will always compare the diamond with the iPhone then you are bound to have a phone you'll never be happy about. why did you buy it in the first place.

i'm quite happy with how TF3D works and the response time is quite fast if you find the right ROM with the right tweaks and settings. i'd never drop it because the looks on this interface is what made me buy the diamond, otherwise i wouldn't have spent so much money on a winmobile device for the first time

[Davey101]

I bought the Diamond for its size, weight, nifty screen protector and the list of things it could do.

I saw TF3D running on a friend's Diamond and it seemed pretty nice but it wasn't until I had my own Diamond that I realised TF3D doesn't actually add any value compared to standard WM with a few tweaks. :D

ps. I'm currently trying out SPB Pocket Plus as a file launcher and it's pretty nice.

[Reikon]

I don't really get what most people have against touch flo 3d, I've been using TOR's rom for awhile and I absolutely love it, and I rarely use the stylus unless im using excel/word..

It's fast, it looks good and it's pretty much got everything I need, I haven't found anything I missed in touch flo 3d.

[skymario]

i also say bye bye to TouchFLO 3D, now very happy using super good spb mobile shell 2.1 :D.

gain easy n fully control of my diamond. spbmobile shell is the killer application for all PCC user must have...;)

[skymario]

I don't really get what most people have against touch flo 3d, I've been using TOR's rom for awhile and I absolutely love it, and I rarely use the stylus unless im using excel/word..

It's fast, it looks good and it's pretty much got everything I need, I haven't found anything I missed in touch flo 3d.


b4 i try spb mobile, i also very happy with touchFlo 3D.

After i try spb mobile, i totally forgot touchFlo 3D.

U should try it, and u will love it.:D

[Argun]

What I don't like about TF3d:

- Music player sucks. When I add or delete new albums or songs it does not update itself.

- Some times TF3D does not respond.

- Birthdays doesn't appear on home screen.

- After 00:00 if I wake up the device it takes 10 seconds to display the time, because of the flipping effects.

- People (Quick dial) is stylish but is not really quick. Programs like quick dial would be much more usefull.

- E-Mail is useless.

I love all the other stuff so I will use it for some time more. I may disable it in the future.

I hope HTC reads all of our comments too.

Thanks for reading this.

Regards

[psycho_maniac]

Spb mobile shell is the best interface.

Touch Flo 3d was slow and killed the diamond.

maybe a stupid question but can you get that for the htc phones that are out now.