how to allocate application / storage ram?

[arcnet]

I am running WM6.11 - explode I think with the HTC extended rom apps. However I notice that under WM2003 there is a slider to change the allocation of RAM between storage and programs - I dont have this facility on my IIs and run out of storage RAM on the phone despite having plenty of free RAM for programs. It seems that even if I install the application on the card, RAM is still eaten up out of the phone storage - I guess thats the OS system.

However, If it can be done in 2003 then surely WM6.11 can do it - but I need help to re-allocate RAM between storage and programs.

Thanks

[xplode]

it is inpossible in WM5\6\6.1 :) your information is wrong

[gcopher]

I had the same problem, when I converged my EXTrom. I had 93mb in programs and only 64mb in storage. It takes much more storage than program ram, XPLODE, my question is was there a possibility that I/we could have changed this BEFORE we converged?
Also, I and a few others are having a problem with your 6.11 sound disappearing after "X" amount of uses with it (see some replies the past few days)
Don't get me wrong, YOUR 6.11 upgrade is FANTASTIC, I just lost sound and the capability to answer my phone as well as NO SOUND!


GCopher
SX66-BA-ROM ver.:6.11.00 WWE (xplode)
Radio version:-1.15.00
Protocol Ver.: 1337.45
Ext.version:

[tatissse]

I was also wondering if there is any trick to increase the storage capacity from the programs RAM:confused:

[jakubd]

FYI: In WM5/6 Storage and RAM have nothing common. Storage is a part of flash memory, that is not used for ROM, and RAM is fully used as normal, regular RAM. Thanks to this when you take the battery out, you never loose data and settings like in case of PPC2003 and older.
That's why there is no storage-RAM slider in WM5/6.

In case of BA, after switching to WM5/6 you have 128MB RAM and that's all. Cannot be less, cannot be more.
Talking about capacity - if you went through correct procedure, you should have repartioned flash memory giving back some space that was reserved for ExtendedROM. All the info you can find in the Wiki.

[arcnet]

Thanks for the info - maybe I have not repartitioned my RAM then, I just put it in bootloader mode and flashed it!

I appreciate your impatience with people new to this and this is probably why many senior members just say 'its in the wiki' with the unspoken bit implying find it yourself. However the wiki is not an easy document to find what you want and I know I'm not alone there.

Still, I wil revisit the wiki and see if i can find info on this topic that I have previously missed. Thanks.

[gcopher]

I followed the wiki to the letter, however, it did not say anything about giving back to the EXTrom. I just went by the procedure and I have 93 mg to storage and 64 to program. no Extrom, and flashed to xplode's 6.11 along with other programs. I do not have to worry with loosing my programs any longer however, the program space is what the problem is. there isn't enough room for most of what I like on my BA. LOTS of space in the Storage. One would think that it should have been one big storage space for both just like a regular PC.
I have had my BA for 2 years and never need to ask any questions I just followed the WIKI. Now I have these questions.
Now that I did load 6.11, now I have no sound after a few days of use. It just disappeared. I can't hear from it and no one can hear me. the phone will dial and it responds to calls but, no sound.
I Would appreciate it of the seniors would not make people like us FEEL stupid, when we ask a make sense question. I have searched the WIKI and through the forums and I get no answer thru these means , therefore, I must ask the question, when I feel it is necessary.
Thank you for your rationality.
gcopher

[cgone]

gcopher, have you ever try to hard reset your BA after that sound problem appeared?

[gcopher]

Yes I have, I am an A+ certified hardware and network geek and I know enough about programming to be dangerous, I have successfully used this site for the past 2 years up grading my BA with the latest, until now. I decided to upgrade to xplode 6.11, of which I thought wa excellent and still do, I used my BA for several days without a glitch (other than the blue tooth problem with the BA as I think everyone else does, that I have to wear in my shirt pocket when I am talking) The only thing I did was install 6.1 word and excel, when I reset (soft), then the problem occurred, since I have hard reset and even re-installed WM6 to try and shell it. No fix. I am looking in the forum archives for a sound fix, if any. Thank you for asking though.
Here this last few days is the first time I have actually posted something here in the forum, other than posting about having the same problem with the bluetooth problem everyone has, the BA has a VERY small chip for blue tooth. I have several (6) BA for spare parts. I have replaced 2 screens on my own, but I repair cell phones for a hobby. (mostly motorolas) I get the parts fairly cheap. I like to take junk or something that is broken and repair them, I get some self edification from that, kind of weird but I am a musician geek (bass player, and active with a band in the Tulsa, OK area)
Thank you for the suggestion though.
I hope you had a great 4th!

[jakubd]

If sound issue doesn't go off after proper HR (the one with NO YES YES), all you can do is to go back to a tested ROM (even wm5) and check if sound will work again. If your RadioROM is up to date (1.13 or 1.15) it might be just coincidence with hardware failure - speaker/mic or just sth on the mainboard.

And about Wiki:
first step of the wizard after choosing upgrade to WM6 from 2003: Expanding the Storage memory
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=HTC_Blueangel_WM6_WizzardUpgrad e1_WM2003SE0
Anyway, gcopher, your flash seems to be partitioned correctly.

[arcnet]

This thread seems to have developed into two directions but thats OK I have something to say about both.

I have read the wiki - used the unhide, unlock and repartition programs successfuly. Then flashed 6.11 xplode successfully. I then go to the memory option in Settings->System and have EXACTLY the same problem as before - the ram is divided into storage and programs and there is no way that I can see to shift some program ram to the storage or vice versa. Perhaps most users dont run many programs on their BA's but I start running out of storage on the phone when there is still loads of program ram - the fact thet I also have a 4gig SD card doesnt help. I find that even when I install as many apps as I can on the SD card I still run out of storage on the phone.

As for the sound. I too lost my sound AND the camers when I upgraded initially - nothing seemed to work and I was convinced it was a hardware fault. I was so fed up I took the batery out and left it for a few days, long enough for the internal backup battery to also run down. Once powered up again it all worked perfectly and has worked ever since.

Frustrating as hell isnt it when you feel like your the only one with a problem and noone else has ever come across it - even more frustrating when your given simplistic advice in minimal detail :(

[xplode]

I will do a lil explaination, when you delete the partition for extromyou add this space to the phone storage, the only one known way for increasing storage in WM5/6/6.1 is with ramdisk, but it is not working well in WM6/6.1 it is inpossible to make it with slider and allocate memory to ram or storage as in WM2003

[jakubd]

arcnet: and to finish storage/RAM problem: Like in the PC you cannot just like that exchange Hard Drive space with RAM, same way you cannot just like that exchange storage (that is something like Hard drive space) with RAM (that is like... RAM ;)
And to explain it all: If you run out of disk space you usually don't try to use some of the RAM as the Hard Disk Space. You can just install another hard drive. In case of PDAs and your BA in specific: consider installing all the big applications on the SD card. This should solve your problem completely.

[gcopher]

Tanks Coach!
This is what I am working on now, checking, and going back, being that I have quite a few other BA parts I can go back and replace, however, I will go back and even do the WM2003 if I have to, I have tried many times to hard reset, however, I think I may have caused a problem with that, (I can fix it) but my BA just restores itself. I have placed most of my regular programs on the storage card. It just comes right back up to my background and original settings. I will have to pull the card ans reset it. Either way, I will have to trouble shoot the problem, I have checked out the "soundfix" file no go. The uni-directional file already exists and will not re-install. I will re-install WM5 and see if it comes back on OR start replacing parts.
I had saved the EXTrom on my storage card, as the instructions said.
The program storage has all of the space, and the Storage file has very little, seems it should have been the other way around, this is what the other guy was talking about. If it was possible to go back and re-allocate the two, so storage could have more of the space.
Thank you for your kind response, this is what I love about this site. I feel good about have all of the knowledge and access to programs for this wonderful Device of mine.
Have a pleasant day!
Greg

[gcopher]

[QUOTE=arcnet;2375134]This thread seems to have developed into two directions but thats OK I have something to say about both.

Sorry Arcnet, I do not intent to take this thread both directions...... I should have taken the sound prob to a different thread,
I needed to voice that I wanted to understand your delima,as I had the same wonder. I used my storage card for all that I could and I still have used 92% of my program ram space and still have more than 60% of my storage, as only using 2% of my card. I moved all I could to the card and reclaimed about 10%, however, If I wanted to place more on it, it would still take up more as there is only 64 mg available in Programs and most of the allocation in Storage.

What xplode is trying to say is, the BA comes with 64 mg of ram built in, this is all you can use for programs.
The slider was for EXTrom and storage, that is more like a hard drive on the device. This is separate from the RAM for programs. What we merged was the storage, and got rid of the volatile mem (EXTrom) and gave it ALL to storage. it was never available to programs.
Be sure that every time you install a program...choose your card, if at all possible, the program will tell you (my experience) if it will not run from storage (your card).....................G


Adding to this,I have successfully reloaded the xplode 6.11 with success with restoring the sound. I will let you k now IF it goes out again, in about a week.

[tatissse]

Another problem that I noticed (with my BA anyway) is that even if I choose to install applications in the SD card, the storage space reduces as well:confused:
I don't know if this related to the BA or the ROM (which is sundream's rom) but this is what's happening with my BA. As a result, I run out of storage space very rapidly..
Any clues??

[scousemartin]

Just because you select to install to storage card does not mean that all files are copied there. Some files HAVE to be installed in the windows directory. Try installing memaid or tweak2k net and transfer dlls to the storage card, that will free up some memory , depending on what you have installed

[tatissse]

Thanks for your answer scousemartin :)
I have another question though: how much memory can we get if we aplly the resize stuff with 2003??? What I mean is: is it worth the hastle??

[jakubd]

If you did not repartition flash to get rid of ExtROM you loose 12 (or 16, I can never remember) MB. It's always worth to have more storage memory, that is otherwise totally lost.

[XShell]

If you have a "sound disappearing" problem, try NOT TO CLOSE (by X button, add to ignored) any players when they are playing. Especially Windows Media Player. That solved the problem for me.

[wuzy]

Yes I have, I am an A+ certified hardware and network geek and I know enough about programming to be dangerous, I have successfully used this site for the past 2 years up grading my BA with the latest, until now. I decided to upgrade to xplode 6.11, of which I thought wa excellent and still do, I used my BA for several days without a glitch (other than the blue tooth problem with the BA as I think everyone else does, that I have to wear in my shirt pocket when I am talking) The only thing I did was install 6.1 word and excel, when I reset (soft), then the problem occurred, since I have hard reset and even re-installed WM6 to try and shell it. No fix. I am looking in the forum archives for a sound fix, if any. Thank you for asking though.
Here this last few days is the first time I have actually posted something here in the forum, other than posting about having the same problem with the bluetooth problem everyone has, the BA has a VERY small chip for blue tooth. I have several (6) BA for spare parts. I have replaced 2 screens on my own, but I repair cell phones for a hobby. (mostly motorolas) I get the parts fairly cheap. I like to take junk or something that is broken and repair them, I get some self edification from that, kind of weird but I am a musician geek (bass player, and active with a band in the Tulsa, OK area)
Thank you for the suggestion though.
I hope you had a great 4th!

Riiiiiiight...
I also have attained both of my A+, Network+, Server+ and MCSE on Server 2K3. Guess what, I'm still 21.
Your previous experience has got NOTHING to do with what we deal with in the world of Windows Mobile. Like many others I search and read up this forum frequently when I got my Blueangel also 2yrs ago, starting with WM5 from scratch. The wiki provides all of the basic upgrading information you need, it's fool proof.

If something doesn't work, then you try make it work. Occasionally it's just one of those quirk that needs a reflashing to solve it. Trying different ROMs which I have two Blueangels to work with to confirm any problem with a particular ROM.

As to your sound problem. It could be the same as mine, it could be not.
Anyway, one of my Blueangel has its sound work intermittently and I was able to track it down to the loose connection to the ribbon (since we have a sliding screen). I fixed it by pushing the pins in the connector with a needle to make the connection tighter and that fixed it.
Just because your sound doesn't work doesn't mean it's a software problem. Just like any problem solving, if going back to W2003SE still doesn't solve the problem then you've got a hardware one. Even it really is a common software problem reported by many people and hasn't been solved, then too bad (or just wait for the fix).

We don't treat people on this forum like an annoying n00b, unless they don't read the stuff already written in here. So read, and read more.

[gcopher]

Hmmmm..... I believe I DID say SENIOR members! YOU by all means ARE a junior! This forum is made for information NOT lip! I was building some of the most sophiticated equipment before your daddy was born, I did not ASK you to give me your quals. I simply gave SOME of mine to say that I do not take talking down to like a dummy, as I understand what I am Doing,I repaired my problem long before your input.I have read MOST of all of these forums that pertain to the BA and you do not need you to tell me this again. I have had my BA ('s) as long as you have and I started with '03. You have no place with YOUR input.(no help)
Where do you get off on stating or including yourself as a senior.
I believe the SENIORS,(not you) do not want the lip included with these forums.
As far as the storage problem, I believe Scousemartin hit the nail on the head of HOW to obtain as much program MEM as possible. GREAT suggestion! It works, this is what these forums are about! making things work! (not lip).
Good day!




Riiiiiiight...
I also have attained both of my A+, Network+, Server+ and MCSE on Server 2K3. Guess what, I'm still 21.
Your previous experience has got NOTHING to do with what we deal with in the world of Windows Mobile. Like many others I search and read up this forum frequently when I got my Blueangel also 2yrs ago, starting with WM5 from scratch. The wiki provides all of the basic upgrading information you need, it's fool proof.

If something doesn't work, then you try make it work. Occasionally it's just one of those quirk that needs a reflashing to solve it. Trying different ROMs which I have two Blueangels to work with to confirm any problem with a particular ROM.

As to your sound problem. It could be the same as mine, it could be not.
Anyway, one of my Blueangel has its sound work intermittently and I was able to track it down to the loose connection to the ribbon (since we have a sliding screen). I fixed it by pushing the pins in the connector with a needle to make the connection tighter and that fixed it.
Just because your sound doesn't work doesn't mean it's a software problem. Just like any problem solving, if going back to W2003SE still doesn't solve the problem then you've got a hardware one. Even it really is a common software problem reported by many people and hasn't been solved, then too bad (or just wait for the fix).

We don't treat people on this forum like an annoying n00b, unless they don't read the stuff already written in here. So read, and read more.

[wuzy]

I simply gave SOME of mine to say that I do not take talking down to like a dummy
But you were. ;)

And since when does your post count here counts for how experienced you are huh? You obviously havn't been to many forums. It's the quality of your post that counts.

From experience with the method scousemartin described in unloading dll to SD, that only saves a few MBs. Not worth it IMO. The most increase still comes from 43->60MB by repatitioning the ext ROM.

I was building some of the most sophiticated equipment before your daddy was born
Ok, whatever grandpa. :p

[gcopher]

See, There you go again. Using this medium to lip. The quality of your posts certainly did no good, I am sure they are all this way. making NO point, except "look at me, me me". I know how to type... words, WOW.
I am soooo impressed......... You can actually talk.
Look, I did partition my memory correctly, I might add and never, had to redo anything. I did have the SOFTWARE problem with my sound and I fixed it, with out your help, I might add. You must be soooo broken hearted that YOU were wrong.
You need an attitude check, just like most punks, like you, that THINK they know everything. You are lacking experience, this IS the most vital of all wisdom and knowledge.
Take some good advice from some SENIORS,...... shut your mouth and listen for a change. I am sure this isn't the first time you have heard this.

I know as a punk kid, you will feel the need to reply, as most kids your age, think they need to have the last word, however, it will show your immaturity, as always.
Good day.
Gramps.....

[wuzy]

Great, you managed to solve your sound problem. And I'm betting it wasn't due to any particular ROM at fault. As I said ealier, occationally there are strange quirks which reflashing solves.

Punk kid? You have no idea who idea who I am in the world of computer hardwares do you? Not that you're intrested anyway. Meh.

d00d, just look at all your posts in this thread before I started posting and your blabbering of your knowledge in computers. (I did the A+ cert. for fun did you know that?).
Have you ever thought about why people treated you this way before you blew up in arrogance (and I couldn't resist not to reply LOL)?