nVIDIA Graphic Accelerator, nVIDIA G5500 for the Kaiser...?!

[Noxious Inc.]

I've searched for a overclock proces for the Kaiser and I ended up on this site...

This SITE (http://www.overclock.net/mobile-phones-smartphones-pocket-pcs/275314-what-s-all-n95-owners.html)

My intrest got caught on this line:

Ultimate 8502 and 9502 Technical Specifications:

-- Microsoft Windows Mobile 6
-- 400 MGz Qualcomm(R) MSM 7200
-- nVIDIA Graphic Accelerator, nVIDIA G5500
-- Integrated GPS
-- Quad-Band GSM/EDGE, Tri-Band UMTS/HSDPA/HSUPA
-- WiFi 802.11b/g/e/i
-- 256MB ROM, 128MB RAM
-- microSD card slot
-- VGA LCD touchscreen
-- Bluetooth v2.0 EDR
-- Mini USB
-- Direct Video Out XGA
-- 2.0/3.0 megapixel camera
-- VGA camera for video calls
-- FM Stereo Radio
-- Supports Microsoft Direct Push Technology

[Infuruno]

I think its a modified version of the processor. Seen we should have an ATI graphics accelerator but has the nVidia one.

[Noxious Inc.]

Would it make the Tytn II a more complete device with the Nvidia driver...

I also didn't know that the Tytn II has a ATI driver,
because if it has...
ATI was not awake when they made the driver...

[Infuruno]

Not ATI driver, an accelerator with no driver, that is if the device has the accelerator at all, its more to do with htc than ati cant remeber the reason why it was in an old thread following the driver issue, i've basicly given up and waiting for my contract to end ..... 11 months left would not have got this phone if i knew about this now im stuck with it.

[Laurentius26]

Imate Ultimate?

400 MGz Qualcomm(R) MSM 7200

nVIDIA Graphic Accelerator, nVIDIA G5500Mmm... sounds good. :D

Anyone a shipped Ultimate rom dump to share? :D

[Infuruno]

An experts here and is intrested so i could be wrong....

[Noxious Inc.]

Imate Ultimate?

400 MGz Qualcomm(R) MSM 7200

nVIDIA Graphic Accelerator, nVIDIA G5500Mmm... sounds good. :D

Anyone a shipped Ultimate rom dump to share? :D

Could you do something with it...!?

I will search for ya... ;)

[petard]

You can't take the driver from the Ultimate that is for an nVidia card and use it on the ATI chip in the Kaiser.

[asfoor]

You can't take the driver from the Ultimate that is for an nVidia card and use it on the ATI chip in the Kaiser.

Why NOT?......... I believe there is no compatibility issue...

[Noxious Inc.]

Found it for the Ultimate 6150...

Ultimate 6150 Worldwide English ROM (https://www.imate.com/DownloadROM.ashx?key=54dfb69c-571c-4b9e-a212-8cdc3573a519&cset=6420fa8f-ffd6-4608-b979-339ba4794f12&devicespeckey=1aec5452-98b2-4032-826f-72c3d1adf765)

Edit: you have to register a 6150 device... :(

[humble]

but one could try... right? or hack it just enuff

[Laurentius26]

Can you download and share? :eek::eek::eek:

Found it for the Ultimate 6150...

Ultimate 6150 Worldwide English ROM (https://www.imate.com/DownloadROM.ashx?key=54dfb69c-571c-4b9e-a212-8cdc3573a519&cset=6420fa8f-ffd6-4608-b979-339ba4794f12&devicespeckey=1aec5452-98b2-4032-826f-72c3d1adf765)

Edit: you have to register a 6150 device... :(

[Noxious Inc.]

Can you download and share? :eek::eek::eek:If I had a 6150 for sure... but I've got a Tytn II... so I'm googlin' further...

[Panayiotis]

Can you download and share? :eek::eek::eek:


https://www.imate.com/Support_DeviceSupport.aspx?key=1aec5452-98b2-4032-826f-72c3d1adf765&cmd=roms

[tkalli]

https://www.imate.com/Support_DeviceSupport.aspx?key=1aec5452-98b2-4032-826f-72c3d1adf765&cmd=roms

Need to sign in to download it.

[AllTheWay]

Still can't download it.

[humble]

http://rapidshare.com/files/107428387/Ultimate_6150_ROM_Upgrade_English_080850.zip

[Noxious Inc.]

It's a dumped ROM... they say...

http://rs285.rapidshare.com/files/119364222/dump.zip <---> SOURCE (http://www.aboutfone.com/index.php/topic,27.0.html)

[petard]

You are really going to try an nVidia diver on an ATI chip? Try that on your PC and see how well that works out for you. They are totally different chips, its not going to work.

[humble]

Source http://www.ultimates.biz/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=149&forum=12

EDIT: Post 9

[AllTheWay]

According to this we need the 8502 and 9502 ROM for our phones


http://www.overclock.net/3166556-post2.html


The 6510 is for the iMate with the Intel Chipset not the Qualcomm


But here it is anways.

http://rapidshare.com/files/107428387/Ultimate_6150_ROM_Upgrade_English_080850.zip.html Ultimate 6150 ROM Upgrade English

[bartimeus]

According to this we need the 8502 and 9502 ROM for our phones


http://www.overclock.net/3166556-post2.html


The 6510 is for the iMate with the Intel Chipset not the Qualcomm

So could this be a step further none the less?

[Noxious Inc.]

I think we need the ROM of the 8502 & 9502 because those 2 are with the Qualcomm processor... the 6150 & 8150 have the Intel PXA 270 520 MHz Processor...

EDIT: AllTheWay saw it first... (or I'm a lame typer)

[humble]

sorry i was wrong

[Noxious Inc.]

According to this we need the 8502 and 9502 ROM for our phones


http://www.overclock.net/3166556-post2.html


The 6510 is for the iMate with the Intel Chipset not the Qualcomm


But here it is anways.

http://rapidshare.com/files/107428387/Ultimate_6150_ROM_Upgrade_English_080850.zip.html Ultimate 6150 ROM Upgrade English

Could it be that if it are two different chipsets that the accelerator stays the same and would work on the Qualcomm...

[AllTheWay]

Could it be that if it are two different chipsets that the accelerator stays the same and would work on the Qualcomm...

I would think so, being that a Nvidia Graphics card will work on a AMD chip in your PC.

So it should work. Since it looks like the 8502 and 9502 are not yet released we might have to wait on a ROM.

[humble]

http://www.softpocket.ca/solutions/vault/tipstricks/pocketpc/imateROM/index.html

[Noxious Inc.]

I would think so, being that a Nvidia Graphics card will work on a AMD chip in your PC.

True, true...

Who's the first developer to find out.

[Laurentius26]

Why not? :D

Let's see what's in there.

Thanks Alltheway!

According to this we need the 8502 and 9502 ROM for our phones


http://www.overclock.net/3166556-post2.html


The 6510 is for the iMate with the Intel Chipset not the Qualcomm


But here it is anways.

http://rapidshare.com/files/107428387/Ultimate_6150_ROM_Upgrade_English_080850.zip.html Ultimate 6150 ROM Upgrade English

[humble]

I MUST BE INVISIBLE:confused:

THE BETA'S ARE IN POST 27 megaupload

[Noxious Inc.]

I MUST BE INVISIBLE:confused:

THE BETA'S ARE IN POST 27 megaupload

No, you've been heard... I also past it further by pm...

[humble]

just tryin to help nearly loss my mind lol

[Laurentius26]

Hehe... let's eat some drivers! :)

just tryin to help nearly loss my mind lol

[AllTheWay]

Hehe... let's eat some drivers! :)


http://www.megaupload.com/?d=HCTTGE19

There is the link to the 9502 Imate.

I chose this one because it has a QVGA screen. :)

Now the question is....how to make a ROM from this.

Chef's work your magic please :)

[Laurentius26]

Hihi... well first we need to dump it isn't? ;)

Any hints? I'm lazy. :D

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=HCTTGE19

There is the link to the 9502 Imate.

I chose this one because it has a QVGA screen. :)

Now the question is....how to make a ROM from this.

Chef's work your magic please :)

[lifanus]

I think the nVidia thing is bullcrap, read official spec from website:

http://www.imate.com/support/specs/SpecSheet_9502.pdf

or the spec here: http://www.gsmarena.com/i_mate_ultimate_9502-2158.php

no mention of nvidia at all.

Also, I've seen the youtube review of the 9502, it's rotation speed is 2x slower than the tilt and it's start menu takes 2 seconds to pop up... doh.

[petard]

What are you even trying to accomplish? There is no nVidia chip in the Kaiser, an nVidia driver wouldn't help AT ALL!

[hmdshmds]

you are going to use nvidia drivers on the Kaiser !!
but there is no nvidia chipset inside !!
Am I missing somthing in here ?

[Synssins]

What if, and a BIG If, there is an nVidia driver in the ROM that has some files that can be used to at least SEE how the hardware is being accessed? Maybe the files can be used to help write a set for ours?

Let one of the developers work on this and test on their phone instead of coming in to this thread and saying people are stupid for even trying.

[Macgyvec3]

you are going to use nvidia drivers on the Kaiser !!
but there is no nvidia chipset inside !!
Am I missing somthing in here ?

Maybe... There might be something in there and rest assured, if there is, the amazing chefs here at xda will find it. I promise.

[rajmagi]

What are you even trying to accomplish? There is no nVidia chip in the Kaiser, an nVidia driver wouldn't help AT ALL!

who knows man,... diamond is vga,.. raphael is also vga, but somehow some dll's works on kaiser .... let the big brain do their thing. don't be that harsh :)

[tkalli]

Generally newer version DLL files are backward compatiable.
DLL files from Windows ME may not be compatible with Windows 98.
Many Windows ME files work well on 98 but not all will.
The same hold true for Windows XP and 2003.
If you dual boot a computer with XP and 2003 you must use the file C:\NTLDR and C:\Ntdetect.com from Windows 2003.
If you use the files from XP, Windows 2003 will not boot, but XP will.
NTLDR is backward compatible.
So I assume the same is true for Windows Mobile.

[tricsio]

Tech Gurus.. Please you are discussing chipset? How are legacy or universal drivers created? Please answer that then sound smart...
This is a thread opened try to accompish something. We should tip in with ideas not discouragement or espertise acquire from being PC techs... Lets focus here. Please...Go on chefs!!!

[petard]

Generally newer version DLL files are backward compatiable.
DLL files from Windows ME may not be compatible with Windows 98.
Many Windows ME files work well on 98 but not all will.
The same hold true for Windows XP and 2003.
If you dual boot a computer with XP and 2003 you must use the file C:\NTLDR and C:\Ntdetect.com from Windows 2003.
If you use the files from XP, Windows 2003 will not boot, but XP will.
NTLDR is backward compatible.
So I assume the same is true for Windows Mobile.


What does that have to with DRIVERS for DIFFERENT chips. We aren't talking about the same chips. One is ATi and one is nVidia. Incompatible.

[tkalli]

The DLL lets the executable communicate with a specific device.
A dynamic link library (DLL) is a collection of small programs,
which can be called upon when needed by the executable program
(EXE) that is running.

[Christian87n]

Like someone said earlier, if it was that incompatible, the nvidia card wouldn't work with an AMD chip on a pc. my laptop is configured that way. besides, lots of things on the new roms shouldnt work on the kaiser, but yet the cooks find ways to make them work. Give them some faith. btw, L26, good to see you man...keep on cooking:cool:

[sheptard]

Ok Kids,

Read the whole post before posting any more :)


Yes the PROCESSOR ( CPU ) is the same so that means we don't have to worry about architectural/binary differences. However GPU's are a completely different thing.

The DLL for the video card is a binary blob. We will never be told how this blob works, they will just provide us with it and it will work.

Graphics drivers work by taking a command from the operating system and convert it to something the graphics chipset can process.

let's say we need to draw a pixel on the screen. What happens is the OS issues a command ( most likely in the D3D language ) and routes it to the video subsystem.

The Video subsystem receives this instruction to draw a pixel and says 'how am I going to do this, Do I have a graphics chip to handle it or do I need to do it'

Currently the Kaiser has no 3D acceleration, so the graphics subsystem asks the main processor if it can draw a pixel on the screen, and then you have your pixel at the cost of general system performance.

If we had Hardware acceleration it'd take this load off of the CPU and place it on the GPU. the GPU is specifically engineered to do the calculations necessary to render a pixel.

Now, what our DLL does is act as a bridge between the video subsystem and the dedicated GPU. and it's going to convert that D3D call into something the GPU can understand. To draw a pixel on a ATI card could be a command like UDrawPixelHerePlzkthx() while the same D3D instruction on a NVidia GPU might get translated to UDrawpixelNAO()

Do you see why taking a NVidia driver and using it to talk to an ATI GPU wont work? They speak two completely different languages. I'm sorry to say but it just ain't gonna work kiddo.

[petard]

Like someone said earlier, if it was that incompatible, the nvidia card wouldn't work with an AMD chip on a pc. my laptop is configured that way. besides, lots of things on the new roms shouldnt work on the kaiser, but yet the cooks find ways to make them work. Give them some faith. btw, L26, good to see you man...keep on cooking:cool:

You have a nVidia GPU and a AMD CPU. That is perfectly fine. You can NOT use AMD (ATi) GPU drivers for nVidia GPUs, nor can you use nVidia GPU drivers for AMD (ATi) GPUs.

Your CPU on your PC can be made by AMD and your GPU nVidia, that is fine, you will use nVidia drivers on your nVidia GPU, but you can not user AMD (ATi) GPU drivers on nVidia GPUs. CPUs dont require drivers, and even if they did, you could have AMD CPU drivers and nVidia GPU drivers installed at the same time.

You can even have have both an nVidia GPU and a AMD (ATi) GPU in one PC, but you would need BOTH drivers. The nVidia GPU driver would power the nVidia GPU, and the AMD (ATi) driver would power the AMD (ATi) GPU.

AGAIN, nVidia GPU drivers for a an ATi GPU are NO HELP. Even drivers for the same GPU didn't seem to help. You can not magically have an nVidia GPU in your kaiser by putting nVidia drivers in your kaiser. Drivers are put in to power the HARDWARE IN YOUR kaiser. Installing drivers for hardware that isn't there doesn't do anything.

[cushcalc]

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=HCTTGE19

There is the link to the 9502 Imate.

I chose this one because it has a QVGA screen. :)

Now the question is....how to make a ROM from this.

Chef's work your magic please :)

The 8502 has QVGA, the 9502 has VGA screen.

[tricsio]

For anyone who does not understand the possibilities in technology, please read this
http://www.tgdaily.com/content/view/38283/135/
Same concept I will say. You have to try some things in order to reach a conclusion... You know who you are:D
And if it is possible to have an overclocking tool that supports both ATI and nVIDIA cards why not?
http://www.techpowerup.com/atitool/

At least catchup on your reading or so call knowledge base before starting a valid argument

[petard]

That is not the same as drivers. Just as both cards can run the same games, they can run the same on-card apps. DRIVERS ARE NOT CROSS-MANUFACTURE COMPATIBLE.
We will see how much use these nVidia drivers get on the KAIDER WITH AN ATi CHIP!

[karimkadri]

from wat i believe..... the diamond has the same ati chip (GPU) as our kaisers..... correct?
but a different cpu.....correct?

the ultimates have the same cpu msm7200 but a different GPU (nvidia)

we still dont know how the kaisers cpu shud communicate with a gpu
so if we can understand how the msm7200 works asside a gpu (ultimate)
(commands and crap like that)

and study how the ati chip works in the diamond

i believe we can join those two communication methods and come up with sumthing great!

keep up the great work everyone.... and if u dont like our ideas then keep ur thoughts to urself

WE DONT NEED TO HEAR IT!!!!

[jirakhom]

from wat i believe..... the diamond has the same ati chip (GPU) as our kaisers..... correct?
but a different cpu.....correct?

the ultimates have the same cpu msm7200 but a different GPU (nvidia)

we still dont know how the kaisers cpu shud communicate with a gpu
so if we can understand how the msm7200 works asside a gpu (ultimate)
(commands and crap like that)

and study how the ati chip works in the diamond

i believe we can join those two communication methods and come up with sumthing great!

keep up the great work everyone.... and if u dont like our ideas then keep ur thoughts to urself

WE DONT NEED TO HEAR IT!!!!

First of all, I have to appologize about my idea. I know I shouldn't ruin anyone hope.
But your comparison can't be applied (at least in my opinion, and I might be wrong).
First of all, if you think of msm7200 as intel/amd chip, and you use ATI graphic card, will you be able to use the driver from Nvidia graphic card?
Honestly, I have never done it, but I think it won't work.

[pazookie]

well as far as i know the kaiser has NO STANDALONE GPU but the MSM CPU has INSTRUCTIONS/BULTIN HARDWARE in the cpu design itself to perform all the duties of the ati gpu...

[anod]

Hi!

I looked in google for those two devices, and that what i saw:
i-Mate Ultimate 6150
http://www.simoncells.com/scripts/prodView.asp?idproduct=4027&mtc=froogle

XScale PXA 270 520MHz Processor
VIDIA GoForce 5500 graphics accelerator 5-way navigation and Jog Dial

i-mate ultimate 8150

http://www.smart-mobile-gadgets.com/welcome/cart.php?target=product&product_id=1202

XScale PXA 270 520MHz Processor
NVIDIA GoForce 5500 graphics accelerator

Sorry, but there is no 7200 processor or more correct there is no 7200 processor with NVIDIA graphics

BUT:

i-mate Ultimate 9502 Pocket PC

http://www.smart-mobile-gadgets.com/welcome/cart.php?target=product&product_id=1199

have 400 MHz Qualcomm MSM 7200 and haven't NVIDIA accelerator

[harbringer]

It is clearly, definitively impossible to use graphic drivers from nVidia on an ATI chipsets, it's like using gasoline in a diesel engine...

All other comparisons made in this thread are wrong, even the best dev can't do that.

A DLL is a Dynamic Link Library, a dev can fill it whit what he wants, th'as why you can find .dll compatible fo VGA and QVGA for example, but .dll are NOT the drivers !!! it's only a part of it.

On a pc when you install a card (network adapter, graphic card ...) you need the specific driver to make it work.
If not, system can install generic driver but you 'll have poor performance and only basic functions. (like we have on a kaiser...)

Drivers are the most difficult part of a system to program, because you need hardware specifications from the manufacturer.
Linux devs had exactly this problem some years ago, because nobody wanted to give them those specifications.

To conclude, drivers from nVidia CAN'T work on ATI chipsets ...

[Noxious Inc.]

User manual (specification pages) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AT&T_Tilt)

* Manufacturer: HTC
* Type: Smartphone / PDA
* Communications
o Quad band[citation needed] UMTS / HSDPA / HSUPA: UMTS 800, UMTS 850, UMTS 1900, UMTS 2100, UMTS 1700 (Emobile-only)
o Quad band GSM / GPRS / EDGE: GSM 850, GSM 900, GSM 1800, GSM 1900
* Connectivity: Wi-Fi 802.11b/g, Bluetooth 2.0 + EDR with A2DP, A-GPS and GPS, USB 2.0
* GPS: Qualcomm
* CPU: 400 MHz Qualcomm 7200 (dual CPU, and integrates Imageon hardware 2D/3D graphics accelerator) Although the graphics hardware is without a Windows Mobile driver, so all graphics are done using the main CPU, therefore unaccelerated.
* Operating System: Windows Mobile 6
* Camera(s): 3.0(2048x1536) MP still/video camera with autofocus. VGA Video conferencing camera.
* Memory: 128 MB RAM, 256 MB ROM
* Memory card: SDIO, microSD, microSDHC[9][10] 4GB and up, TransFlash
* Screen: 240x320, 2.8" (42 x 57 mm) TFT-LCD
* Weight: 190g
* Size: 112mm (L) x 59mm (W) x 19mm (T)
* Battery: Li-Ion 1350 mAH
* Value Added Applications: HTC Home, TomTom navigation software (tester edition normally, but Swisscom now supplies this phone with the full TomTom navigation package included. Swisscom also pre-load the full Swiss train timetable and a translation program and Live TV including MTV and CNN.), Business card scanner also on some but not Swisscom.


Video Driver Issues (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AT&T_Tilt)

Soon after its release to market, reviewers and end users reported the TyTN II's graphical performance was below par. Both 2D and 3D graphics were affected, with notable symptoms being poor video playback and severely low frame-rates when running 3D applications and games.[1][2] The hardware platform (Qualcomm 7200 chipset) suggested that the device was capable of high graphical performance,[3] however the device is constantly outperformed by HTC products released two to three years earlier. As of January 16, 2008, HTC had neither acknowledged the issue publicly nor released a fix.

However, since then there has been unofficial comments referencing to a possible update that developers are working on for a release in February 2008 that would resolve the problem. [4]

The community of enthusiast developers have investigated what might be causing the poor performance, and came to the conclusion that DirectDraw and Direct3D applications were running in software rendering mode only. No hardware acceleration was taking place, and the drivers required to take advantage of the ATI Imageon hardware appeared to be missing.[5]

Many users within the community were dissatisfied by the apparent omission of a video driver that would allow hardware acceleration of graphics, particularly since the device itself included rendering hardware which was not being used. In an attempt to help drive interest and expertise from developers, the community also began raising a bounty which could be offered to any developer (or team of developers) who could solve the problem by enabling hardware acceleration with a homebrew driver.[6] A Class Action Lawsuit page has been established to raise awareness of the problem[7]. Though it is now possible to download custom made OS's and ROM's which optimise the system and make 3D applications run smoother on the phone, true hardware acceleration making full use of the Imageon hardware remains impossible as of yet.


Imageon (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imageon)

The Imageon (previously ATI Imageon) is a line of media processors developed by ATI providing graphics acceleration and other multimedia features for handheld devices such as mobile phones and Personal Digital Assistants (PDA).

Designed as system-on-a-chip (SoC), the Imageon line of media processors was introduced in 2002 to bring integrated graphics (from 2D in 2002 to 3D in latest products) to handheld devices, cellphones and Tablet PCs.

The system-on-a-chip design incorporates an embedded CPU core, baseband sub-system CPU interface, memory controller, power management (ATI PowerPlay), internal RAM and stacked RAM with memory buffer, two display engines (for dual monitors on cellphones), imaging engine, image/video/audio capture engine, TV and audio output, dual Digital Signal Processors for audio and video, and video acceleration engine.

The Imageon line was rebranded under AMD, after AMD acquired ATI in Q3 2006, as AMD Imageon, with official claims to have shipped nearly 250 million Imageon units to customers since 2003.

Discontinued/Past generations

* Imageon 100, the first product of the Imageon line.
* Imageon 3200.
* Imageon 2200/2250. Integrated a 2D graphics engine, a MPEG decoder, JPEG decoding and encoding capabilities, with embedded SRAM on-die as frame buffer.
* Imageon 2240.
* Imageon 2260/2262.
* Imageon 2300. Included 2D and 3D graphics engine (3D S/W), MPEG-4 video decoder, JPEG encoding/decoding, and 2 Megapixel camera sub-system processing engine.
* Imageon 2182.
* Imageon 2282.
* Imageon 2388/2380. Featuring industry first OpenGL for embedded systems (ES) 1.1+ extensions support, for 3D acceleration.
* Imageon 2192. For mainstream devices with support for 3.1-megapixel camera sensor.

[edit] Current generation

* Imageon 2294/2298, renamed as Imageon M100 series. Current top-of-line product, processor includes DVD quality recording and playback, TV output, and supports up to a 12-megapixel camera sensor. Products include Imageon M180.
* Imageon TV. Announced in February 2006, as the first Imageon product in the line featuring Digital Video Broadcasting - Handheld (DVB-H) signal receiving support, allowing handhelds devices to receive digital broadcast TV (DVB-H) signals and enables watching TV programs on these devices, the chipset includes tuner, demodulator, decoder, and a full software stack.

Announced in 2008 Mobile World Congress in Barcelona, AMD renews the Imageon line with the following products:

* Imageon A250 application processor
o Standalone multimedia and graphics subsystem
o D1 resolution video (720×486)
o Support for 8-megapixel camera sensor, JPEG, dual display
o USB, SD and NAND support
o Vector graphics
o Flash applications and UI supported
o Energy efficiency
* Imageon D160 mobile TV solution
o Free-to-air DVB-T and DVB-H reception
o quality of service and Doppler compensation for DVB signals for high speed mobility
o Complete DVB-T/H receiver module
o Multi-channel decode with PiP, fast channel change, and video recording
o AMD software stack (including Middleware) and 3rd party support
o Energy efficiency

In addition to the application processor and the mobile TV solution chip, AMD also licenses several technologies to other firms and partners, such technologies include audio and graphics processors, as listed below:

* Imageon M210 audio processor
o Multi-band equalizer
o Automatic gain control
o 99 db signal-to-noise ratio
o Supporting over 30 codecs including
+ MP3, AAC, AAC+, WMA, AC3, DTS, MIDI with SMAF support, 3D audio, MPEG-4 SLS, FLAC
+ support for 3rd party codecs and other codecs through downloading
o Standalone audio playback
o Energy efficiency of about 33 mW allowing 100 hours of audio playback [1] with integrated power management
o Integrated memory
o Integrated analog audio codec
o USB 2.0, NAND, SD and Bluetooth support
* Imageon Z460 3D graphics core
o OpenGL ES 2.0 support
o Unified shaders
+ Programmable vertex shaders and pixel shaders
o Support for WVGA (800×480, 848×480, or 854×480) and QHD (640×360) resolutions
o Claimed on par with high-end portable game consoles in terms of performance
* Imageon Z180 vector graphics core
o Hardware OpenVG 1.x rendering acceleration
o Claimed 20-40x faster than software-based implementations [2]
o Support for HD resolution
o 16X antialiasing for fonts and vector graphics
o Flash support for web application
o Energy efficiency

[edit] Future development

Future developments to be present on or before 2009, including embedded x86 microprocessor, support for OpenVG, OpenGL for Embedded Systems 2.1 with unified shaders (VS/PS 4.0/4.1), support for higher resolution of camera sensors (5 Megapixels for mainstream and more than 12 Megapixels for high-end products), display resolution support for WVGA (800×480), SVGA (800×600) and XVGA (1024×768) resolutions, H.264 encoding for video recording, AEC, voice recognition and 3D audio.

The Imageon TV will also feature support for ISDB-T and DMB standards, and multi-mode support (likely to support DMB-T/H, the dual standard implemented in PRC).

Something everybody should notice I think...

[Noxious Inc.]

A comparison of the "old" Magician vs. the TyTn II (http://nl.youtube.com/watch?v=zIJWAu6IRe4)

[xboomer55]

Why not just ask Santa Claus or the Easter Bunny for help? I'd recommend anyone reading this thread find something more productive to do...like charging your battery...

[austinsnyc]

I love how people post random stupid ass comments on here that serve of no help like the one above me. The information on this thread alone is great so why be dicks and post dumb shit? Yes we all got a little shafted on the kasier and its display performance but at least someone is still looking to make it better! What did you do today to help the Kaiser community?:cool:

[tkalli]

I love how people post random stupid ass comments on here that serve of no help like the one above me. The information on this thread alone is great so why be dicks and post dumb shit? Yes we all got a little shafted on the kasier and its display performance but at least someone is still looking to make it better! What did you do today to help the Kaiser community?:cool:

Well, said. Maybe it can't be done. But, just by reading the posts and researching what was said, I learned a little more. :)

[Noxious Inc.]

I'd recommend anyone reading this thread find something more productive to do...like charging your battery......or jump of a bridge like you should...

Like your the boy-genius up in here... so don't annoy people...

go to your original rom thingy, and get annoyed by the fact that you have a device what could do much more then it does now... and if you only have it for calling... go buy a Nokia 1100 or something like that...

...On-Topic... again...

I looked up at the AMD/ATI website and could't find something like the "Imageon" drivers or else about the development of the WM devices...

Question: Is there a link between ROM cooking and CE cooking... where should the accelerator be in...?! in the ROM or the CE...?!

[Moskiitto]

Let people try to get more power to kaiser!
Nothing going to happen if nobody tries a shit.

Good work chief's! Keep going!

[drgopoos]

I appreciate the effort behind each search for a new driver. every time i see this i jump in to see if something might happen.

I feel so bad at HTC for not having released atleast a statement in this regard.

[mackaby007]

Believe me guys & gals when I say that many of us have seriously looked into this, with the help of developers and chefs.

I was so dissapointed with the lack of GPU support on my Kaiser, that I got me an Ultimate 6150 which had supreme 3D graphics and video playback due to its Nvidia GPU. But that device had its own issues, so I returned it.

I've been an iPhone hater since it came out last year and was at the verge of getting me a Touch Diamond, when I was was further infuriated by direct comparisons to the iPhone. So....I thought I'd get me a second-hand iPhone to see for myself what all these supposed non-ppc techheads were on about.

Damn was I wrong to judge without knowing for myself. A Jailbroken iPhone is virtually as feature rich as a wmdevice, but not half as well established/mature as wmdevice.

I'm loving my 2G iPhone over wifi and find it superior on so many ways over all of my previous pocket pc phones, including my HTC Athena and Kaiser!!

Apple have been watching closely for many years and have done their homework.

For the record, did you all know that the dredded iPhone has a 400Mhz CPU and a PowerVR graphics chip capable of outperforming the PSP?

Video playback of high bitrate MP4's (1500kbps) play back faultlessy and look like High Def.

Enough said... Just wanted to remind some of you out there that there really are better options than hanging onto your kaiser if your not happy with it. I gave mine to my wife.

[kristoff_sz]

Believe me guys & gals when I say that many of us have seriously looked into this, with the help of developers and chefs.

I was so dissapointed with the lack of GPU support on my Kaiser, that I got me an Ultimate 6150 which had supreme 3D graphics and video playback due to its Nvidia GPU. But that device had its own issues, so I returned it.

I've been an iPhone hater since it came out last year and was at the verge of getting me a Touch Diamond, when I was was further infuriated by direct comparisons to the iPhone. So....I thought I'd get me a second-hand iPhone to see for myself what all these supposed non-ppc techheads were on about.

Damn was I wrong to judge without knowing for myself. A Jailbroken iPhone is virtually as feature rich as a wmdevice, but not half as well established/mature as wmdevice.

I'm loving my 2G iPhone over wifi and find it superior on so many ways over all of my previous pocket pc phones, including my HTC Athena and Kaiser!!

Apple have been watching closely for many years and have done their homework.

For the record, did you all know that the dredded iPhone has a 400Mhz CPU and a PowerVR graphics chip capable of outperforming the PSP?

Video playback of high bitrate MP4's (1500kbps) play back faultlessy and look like High Def.

Enough said... Just wanted to remind some of you out there that there really are better options than hanging onto your kaiser if your not happy with it. I gave mine to my wife.

Just can't believe that :P

Well, it depends on that, what you need. If you want super wow video playback and graphic card better that PSP (which potential maybe never gonna be used) then - go iPhone.

iPhone sucks bad for bussiness client.
No Push, No HSDPA (oh oh, forgot about 3G)
No QWERTY. Writings mails on-screen keyboard its a pain in the ass.
No good and funcionaly software.
After TomTom no good navi software.
No many usefull stuff what HTC already got.
Im not playing any games so the driver is just a +, but HTC sucks with that. The UI is slow beacuse of that, but that's the real low priority in the device. Im not telling that i wouldnt want good driver, i NEED IT! I want to speed up Kaiser. Its great device. Just HTC logistics sucks.

Cheers,
Chris

[xboomer55]

...or jump of a bridge like you should...

Like your the boy-genius up in here... so don't annoy people...

go to your original rom thingy, and get annoyed by the fact that you have a device what could do much more then it does now... and if you only have it for calling... go buy a Nokia 1100 or something like that.

I don't see the point in throwing Nvidia GPU code at a Kaiser. This doesn't appear, on the surface, to have any technical merit.

Turning on embedded hardware to improve Kaiser video performance is no trivial undertaking. It is not realistically an amateur or hobbiest pursuit. I would leave it to pros.

Check here for progress. I am not aware of any other meaningful activity. Maybe you are...

http://www.htcclassaction.org/driverprogress.php

I'm no boy and I'm no genius. I have used mobile phones daily for over 18 years but I've only been playing with Kaisers for 6 months. I actually owe all that I know to this wonderful forum.

I'll take a pass on the Nokia 110. My last Nokia was a 6340. Sweet little handset, by the way...

I'm annoyed that the Kaiser (Qualcomm) ARM11 is a little underpowered. This is actually the root problem that has led some to chase video solutions. Recommend that you find an optimized ROM.

As far as using the Kaiser for "calling", I am finally getting around to that. I spent this morning moving my primary business line to a Kaiser. I"ll give my BB Curve a rest. The Kaiser will get a good workout.

Not sure what you are trying to do with yours. "A device what could do much more than it does now..."

Like what? What do you need help with?

[cp_kirkley]

Why not just ask Santa Claus or the Easter Bunny for help? I'd recommend anyone reading this thread find something more productive to do...like charging your battery...

The info in itself is enough to spark more inquisitive minds than yourself to act. We all know you'll be first in line should something substantial come from this, stop spamming and let the information run its course.

[schizo]

I won't argue about all above since it's beyond my leagues. I just want to be a little OOT. Please take this as flame, if you like :P

After all these years, this forum keep insisting to be an ALL-HTC-DEVICES forum, and never ever tried to accomodate any other vendor's device (except the Atom story... LoL). I've seen hundred of threads requesting new forum for some special devices, but always turned down by mods and admins.

Yet, many of it's members are mostly aware of other ODM's products, and very keen in "extracting" any useful softwares, roms, drivers, etc, from these other ODM's products, to be incorporated into their HTC's products. And believe it or not, this behaviour are known by admins and mods too...

I saw this as double standard, a very worse one since practically we never "acknowledge" other ODM's products here, but we "secretly" porting ingredients from other products who we never have the intention to accomodate.

It's a shame. IMHO, we will progress more rapidly provided we have more resources to play with, more people to share with, if we open this forum to be a general WM Device forum, instead of an exclusive HTC-Big-Sux-Big-Time-But-We-Still-Buy-Your-Product forum.

Just my 2.54 cents. Sorry for OOT-ing.

[vinco_g]

hai, are you already know about O2 xda Flame --> this use goforce 5500.
u can try this driver on that rom.

[cushcalc]

I won't argue about all above since it's beyond my leagues. I just want to be a little OOT. Please take this as flame, if you like :P

After all these years, this forum keep insisting to be an ALL-HTC-DEVICES forum, and never ever tried to accomodate any other vendor's device (except the Atom story... LoL). I've seen hundred of threads requesting new forum for some special devices, but always turned down by mods and admins.

Yet, many of it's members are mostly aware of other ODM's products, and very keen in "extracting" any useful softwares, roms, drivers, etc, from these other ODM's products, to be incorporated into their HTC's products. And believe it or not, this behaviour are known by admins and mods too...

I saw this as double standard, a very worse one since practically we never "acknowledge" other ODM's products here, but we "secretly" porting ingredients from other products who we never have the intention to accomodate.

It's a shame. IMHO, we will progress more rapidly provided we have more resources to play with, more people to share with, if we open this forum to be a general WM Device forum, instead of an exclusive HTC-Big-Sux-Big-Time-But-We-Still-Buy-Your-Product forum.

Just my 2.54 cents. Sorry for OOT-ing.

Here Here.

I second your motion.

[Noxious Inc.]

hai, are you already know about O2 xda Flame --> this use goforce 5500.
u can try this driver on that rom.
It seems that the Kaiser has a ATI chipset, so the driver wouldn't fit the device... Some developers are looking at it but nothing came up... so we have to wait for the update from HTC... :(

[stinger32]

It seems that the Kaiser has a ATI chipset, so the driver wouldn't fit the device... Some developers are looking at it but nothing came up... so we have to wait for the update from HTC... :(

And that isnt going to happen so (I'm sorry to say) but we are waiting for a miracle. :(

[Noxious Inc.]

And that isnt going to happen so (I'm sorry to say) but we are waiting for a miracle. :(
True true...

But I have seen that the new ROMS from kareim9nba & hang.tuah have a D3D (Open GL, I think?!)

What's that about... is this a known register tweak or a ported driver...?!

[jym04]

True true...

But I have seen that the new ROMS from kareim9nba & hang.tuah have a D3D (Open GL, I think?!)

What's that about... is this a known register tweak or a ported driver...?!

www.htcclassaction.org
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=359534

Someone has finally developed a (proof of concept, for the moment) driver which uses 3d acceleration. More information at htcclassaction.

[djboo]

i've tried to stay shtum on this subject. Mostly because Ive enjoyed watching the newbs making the most amazing arguments. I guess if youre not in the know, then whats been said makes sense. To people who do understand the tech its either annoying or funny.

Do you put diesel in your Ford petrol car? why not? Ford makes diesels too. and the diesel works in other cars just like yours?

Do you use mac drivers for your copy of windows? why not? its the same hardware, same cpu.

etc etc etc...

some stuff doesnt work together. Nvidia drivers wont work on the kaiser. end of. you could make em work. If youve got a degree in electrical engineering, some serious solder skills and a spare mobile geforce card.

If you wanna take useful parts from the nvidia drivers and work them into an ATI driver, youre gonna make more work for yourself than you would if u started from scratch.

Some people have tried to explain this in this thread earlier, but i think frustration caused them to not fully flesh it out and pure stubborness on the other side made them refuse to listen.

Realistically, if you want to use geforce drivers, buy a phone with a geforce card in it. The ATI card we have in our kaisers rocks...we just need full drivers and thats on the way ... its just a matter of time.

Desperation makes us wish for some strange things.

This post is not aimed at getting at anyone, just thought id have a stab at explaining shiznit.

[DaveNavy]

That is not the same as drivers. Just as both cards can run the same games, they can run the same on-card apps. DRIVERS ARE NOT CROSS-MANUFACTURE COMPATIBLE.
We will see how much use these nVidia drivers get on the KAIDER WITH AN ATi CHIP!

WELL I BEG TO DIFFER DOESNT nVIDIA OWN ATI AND AMD?...As Far As I Remember Its The Same Company Different Branch Like The Marines Being Part Of The Navy....Pick Up What Im Throwin Down?:eek:

[Dredd67]

WELL I BEG TO DIFFER DOESNT nVIDIA OWN ATI AND AMD?...As Far As I Remember Its The Same Company Different Branch Like The Marines Being Part Of The Navy....Pick Up What Im Throwin Down?:eek:

Wow, what a nice topic unburrying. Too bad it was just to throw some BS.

nVidia owning Ati and AMD ? That made my day....:D

[Takiyon]

WELL I BEG TO DIFFER DOESNT nVIDIA OWN ATI AND AMD?...As Far As I Remember Its The Same Company Different Branch Like The Marines Being Part Of The Navy....Pick Up What Im Throwin Down?:eek:

Nvidia Owning ATI Technologies & AMD??? Please Give Me Some Of What You Are Smoking. No.. AMD owns only ATI, period. Therefore NVIDIA guys are the graphics gods of the industry. Dude and I am a military member, and for you to say that The Marines are part of the Navy is F$@&$ing insulting to our core and to every other branch of our military. Your knowledge of our government and the military of this great country is an awful-disgrace. Stop getting high all the time. Get sober, walk outside, and see the world. You will finally see what you have been missing all your life. Stupid...


PS. I See you have navy in your name. which makes me think that you are in the navy... Just an assumption. So I ask you do the Marines Own The Navy. or vice versa. If you say yes. You got problems man. We all work together and only branch of govenment that owns us all is The Department Of Defense. Get your facts right.

[parleyp]

WELL I BEG TO DIFFER DOESNT nVIDIA OWN ATI AND AMD?...As Far As I Remember Its The Same Company Different Branch Like The Marines Being Part Of The Navy....Pick Up What Im Throwin Down?:eek:

What a joke. You ought to go on the comedy circuit. ATI is owned by AMD. AMD is not owned or affiliated with Nvidia. The Marines will kick your a$$ for saying they are just a branch of the Navy...Been smoking some loco weed have you?

Do some research-or did you reach back in your way back machine for kicks--which is what I suspect? I am quite entertained by this.

Yes we already have some basic drivers, as you probably are well aware, thanks to the classaction guys and our great cooks for reverse engineering stuff.

[JeckyllHavok]

Nvidia Owning ATI Technologies & AMD??? Please Give Me Some Of What You Are Smoking. No.. AMD owns only ATI, period. Therefore NVIDIA guys are the graphics gods of the industry. Dude and I am a military member, and for you to say that The Marines are part of the Navy is F$@&$ing insulting to our core and to every other branch of our military. Your knowledge of our government and the military of this great country is an awful-disgrace. Stop getting high all the time. Get sober, walk outside, and see the world. You will finally see what you have been missing all your life. Stupid...


PS. I See you have navy in your name. which makes me think that you are in the navy... Just an assumption. So I ask you do the Marines Own The Navy. or vice versa. If you say yes. You got problems man. We all work together and only branch of govenment that owns us all is The Department Of Defense. Get your facts right.





You military guys don't know sarcasm or irony isn't it?

[scottwilkins]

I've had too many nVidia chips fail, especially in laptops lately. And far too many driver issues with nVidia. I'll continue to prefer ATI solutions.