News - Official Verizon Software Update

[Sandspeed]

again 6800 buddy and no it has not been taken off the line that would be plain retarded considering its there best phone on the market pritty much well more like biggest achevement

[nitro66215]

Sorry... yeah, that was bad fingers on the keyboard... So can someone confirm the 8600 being killed off?
um.... 8600 or the 6800?

[elisherer]

Curse you Michael Dell and your clickety keyboards!

This time for sure! I have an XV6800, which is the phone we've been talking about, and I'm hoping it's not going to be taken off line because a) I like it even though I expereince application switching slowdowns, and b) that would mean we'd never see WM6.1.

OK... typed carefully, re-read, spell checked... now where's that darned "Send" button?:eek:

[sdsoundguy]

um.... 8600 or the 6800?

Just depends on how dyslexic you are or should I type cixelsyd?!?! although then it would probably be the 0086.

Oh and my prediction for the release of the official verizon rom would probalby be a year ending in 7? I will kind of leave it open there that way if they miss the 2017 release there is always 2027:D

[BK111968]

Verizon still has them in stock since I just got a brand new one out of the box. Long story short - the phone glitched and locked up forcing me to hard reset and when it came up it got stuck in a constant reboot loop and then finally got stuck on the align screen.

The Verizon tech in the store told me it was hosed (after doing what I did by taking out the battery and hard-resetting). She gave me a new one and out the door I went.

Thankfully I had SPB backup on the storage card and I had my new phone configured in about 5 minutes.

I did ask about the update and 2 reps told me they didn't know either....

[mrmadness]

Sorry... yeah, that was bad fingers on the keyboard... So can someone confirm the 8600 being killed off?

Hi, my name is Rip Van Winkle. I just woke up and it looks like my phone is very outdated. Can someone help me figure out what I missed out on?

Joking really. The only way to confirm that the XV6800 (68 not 86) is being discontinued is to call Verizon at their customer service hotline. Or, wait and watch it disappear from their website. Of course, this wouldn't surprise me any. Most phones have an on-the-shelf-life of about 1 year (except Motorola which seems to make a minor change in the function and name and re-releases the same phone i.e. RAZR). So, to see the 6800 disappear from the shelves is no surprise. One must make room for the newer and better (though the 6900 is a step backward in my opinion). As for the support, they will continue to update the roms until either HTC quits making updates or Verizon decides it's good enough. Then these guys will make the roms the best until there's just nothing left to perfect it with. So, take it as you will with a grain of salt. The 6800 could just be saying by to the stores.

[substring]

Is it because we have nothing new to post about the release of the new ROM such that the discussion has now been drifted off to the discontinuation of XV6800?

[paulash]

They're not being discontinued at ALL. The very week they came out, they put the phone away behind closed doors and brought out a phone model for anyone that asked to see it.

People seem to forget.. this isn't a motorolla RAZR or any kind of streamline phone, its Verizons TOP OF THE LINE ppc cell phone! So unless they have something BETTER, it won't be going down anytime soon. HTC Raphael and Diamond are coming in October or so, which means that's how long the xv6800 has until it even begins to be taken off the shelf

[glynch]

Has anyone seen this link for Best Buy

http://wireless.bestbuy.com/DeviceDetails.aspx?r=bestbuy3&zipcode=14615&ProductID=56946&CarrierID=60

In the phone features section it says
"Onboard GPS Supports Location Based Services And Turn-by-turn Directions"

How can they possibly make that claim?

[nitro66215]

Has anyone seen this link for Best Buy

http://wireless.bestbuy.com/DeviceDetails.aspx?r=bestbuy3&zipcode=14615&ProductID=56946&CarrierID=60

In the phone features section it says
"Onboard GPS Supports Location Based Services And Turn-by-turn Directions"

How can they possibly make that claim?
Just cuz the hardware "SUPPORTS" the service... doesn't mean Verizon's software allows it.

[glynch]

Wouldn't that be considered false advertising or bait and switch?

[nitro66215]

Wouldn't that be considered false advertising or bait and switch?
It's debatable. I believe because they have it under the Phones Features, that they are legally right. They obviously aren't going to underscore the fact that Verizon won't allow it with the current software on the phones.

[glynch]

I still think that is BULL!

That is like buying a car and the dealer telling you it comes with a steering wheel. Then when you try to leave the lot you find out it doesn't turn:eek:

[nitro66215]

I still think that is BULL!

That is like buying a car and the dealer telling you it comes with a steering wheel. Then when you try to leave the lot you find out it doesn't turn:eek:
I totally agree.

[glynch]

I still think that is BULL!

That is like buying a car and the dealer telling you it comes with a steering wheel. Then when you try to leave the lot you find out it doesn't turn:eek:


Don't know why that duplicated

[nitro66215]

I still think that is BULL!

That is like buying a car and the dealer telling you it comes with a steering wheel. Then when you try to leave the lot you find out it doesn't turn:eek:


Don't know why that duplicated
Just a double emphasis on the BULLSH**. LOL

[glynch]

Yeah right:D

[anton_spaz]

I still think that is BULL!

That is like buying a car and the dealer telling you it comes with a steering wheel. Then when you try to leave the lot you find out it doesn't turn:eek:

Well... yes.... and no....

When you buy something (almost anything) these days, you are actually buying three things.

1) Hardware
2) Software (ROM/BIOS/etc)
3) IP (Intellectual Property)

1) While you own the hardware, without software it is useless.

2) The software is where you are stuck. Read through the terms of use that you signed at the store, or agreed to by "opening the box" etc. The software you are given permission to use, but you do not own. You are not allowed to modify etc. The software controls the hardware, so if the vendor choices to not turn a function on, that is their choice. Any why is it *THEIR* choice.....

3) Intellectual Property. The combination of Hardware (which the vendor designed, or has purchased, or has an agreement of use), and Software (to enable the functions, and give you the overall package) is called the IP. Again, the vendor owns the IP, and there is nothing you can do about that.

So,
a) You can change the hardware, (for example, mod-chips in xbox's), but you are legally no longer allowed to use that device. And if the vendor finds it, you can get major fines....ESPECIALLY when it comes to communication carriers. Microsoft...they just ban you from XBOX-LIVE.

b) You can change the software. Again, the same as a applies.

c) You can't do anything about IP, since you are not even close to having any ownership over it.

Is this just for our "computer phones"? Of course not. The original Canon Digital SLR (Rebel/300D/Kiss) is a similar case in point. There was hardware that supported extra functionality that the software did not enable. Could there be anything done about it? Legally no. Illegally yes. And, of course, since I am here, you can guess that I replaced the ROM with a hacked ROM that enabled these functions.

But, just like our phones...if something broke on device, unless I could restore the orginal rom, and hope there was no indication of the illegal software, or get a real dumb employee, I would not be able to file a warranty claim.

So.... yes.... and no.... but more no. You own the hardware. You don't own the software or IP. And you agreed that you would not reverse engineer the software. Or install other software, than what the vendor allowed....

[glynch]

I understand everything you are saying, but..Here is the exact add.

Description
The UTStarcom XV6800 for Verizon Wireless offers everything you could want in a mobile device. Microsoft Windows 6.0 comes loaded with Pocket Word, Excel, PowerPoint and Outlook email, address book and calendar - all wirelessly synced with your work or personal accounts. Plus, the UTStarcom XV6800 has built-in WiFi and high-speed cellular data to offer real-time access to news, sports, TV, music and more. And, with the GPS, camera/camcorder and Bluetooth, it’s the only device you need.

Features

* Dual WiFi 802.11b/g And Near-broadband Cellular Data Make This A Best-in-class Smartphone
* Access V CAST Streaming Video and Music And All Websites All At Broadband Speed
* Smart Design Tucks The QWERTY Keyboard Safely Away When Not In Use
* 2.0 Megapixel Camera/Camcorder Lets You Capture The Moment
* Stream Stereo Music Over Bluetooth
* Create, View and Edit Microsoft Word, Excel and PowerPoint Documents, and View PDF Documents
* Onboard GPS Supports Location Based Services And Turn-by-turn Directions
* Huge Color Display With Excellent Touchscreen Technology

Now tell me that someone looking to purchase this phone wouldn't look at that and say to themselves, "GREAT, I can use GPS." They are using it as one of the selling points.

[nitro66215]

I understand everything you are saying, but..Here is the exact add.

Description
The UTStarcom XV6800 for Verizon Wireless offers everything you could want in a mobile device. Microsoft Windows 6.0 comes loaded with Pocket Word, Excel, PowerPoint and Outlook email, address book and calendar - all wirelessly synced with your work or personal accounts. Plus, the UTStarcom XV6800 has built-in WiFi and high-speed cellular data to offer real-time access to news, sports, TV, music and more. And, with the GPS, camera/camcorder and Bluetooth, it’s the only device you need.

Features

* Dual WiFi 802.11b/g And Near-broadband Cellular Data Make This A Best-in-class Smartphone
* Access V CAST Streaming Video and Music And All Websites All At Broadband Speed
* Smart Design Tucks The QWERTY Keyboard Safely Away When Not In Use
* 2.0 Megapixel Camera/Camcorder Lets You Capture The Moment
* Stream Stereo Music Over Bluetooth
* Create, View and Edit Microsoft Word, Excel and PowerPoint Documents, and View PDF Documents
* Onboard GPS Supports Location Based Services And Turn-by-turn Directions
* Huge Color Display With Excellent Touchscreen Technology

Now tell me that someone looking to purchase this phone wouldn't look at that and say to themselves, "GREAT, I can use GPS." They are using it as one of the selling points.
While it is wrong... the Key word is the "SUPPORTS". Notice it's under DEVICE features. Not your service features.

It's just as bad as Verizon saying that you have Unlimited Data and you not knowing that it's actually capped at 5GB.

[dcd1182]

When you buy something (almost anything) these days, you are actually buying three things.

1) Hardware
2) Software (ROM/BIOS/etc)
3) IP (Intellectual Property)

this might be the best post i've ever seen from someone with so few posts. good explanation. you are dead on.

[glynch]

This may be me just being stubborn(I doubt it though....:D), but what about above the features where it says "And, with the GPS, camera/camcorder and Bluetooth, it’s the only device you need."

Again, maybe I'm just being stubborn....because I have never been told that before.

[kottoson]

Has anyone seen this link for Best Buy

http://wireless.bestbuy.com/DeviceDetails.aspx?r=bestbuy3&zipcode=14615&ProductID=56946&CarrierID=60

In the phone features section it says
"Onboard GPS Supports Location Based Services And Turn-by-turn Directions"

How can they possibly make that claim?

I just went to the link and their online price was $49.95 ($599.99 original price minus $550 instant savings). I wonder how long THAT'S been available?

[nitro66215]

I just went to the link and their online price was $49.95 ($599.99 original price minus $550 instant savings). I wonder how long THAT'S been available?
lol. Yup. For new customers. I had purchased the upgrade through New Every Two... Paid $250... then found that thread... told verizon.. and they credited me the $100 difference. WOOHOO!

[kflipproductions]

lol. Yup. For new customers. I had purchased the upgrade through New Every Two... Paid $250... then found that thread... told verizon.. and they credited me the $100 difference. WOOHOO!

thats pretty killer. i upgraded for $300. but i got 3 free phones since so its all good. lol i sent back a bricked phone stuck on BL and they sent me a new phone and credited me the $50 replacement fee. they said it was 'pressure damage on the screen.' dumbasses

[bball925playa]

While it is wrong... the Key word is the "SUPPORTS". Notice it's under DEVICE features. Not your service features.

It's just as bad as Verizon saying that you have Unlimited Data and you not knowing that it's actually capped at 5GB.

for the record, verizon no longer sells unlimited data
I was looking at a flyer in-store and it advertised either 50 MB or 5 GB plans

[nitro66215]

Interesting. I did question that the last time I talked to them. My plan still shows "Unlimited" but the rep said it's still capped. :mad:

[evanbriggs1]

I know for a fact that my plan is unlimited data, I got the contract before the decided to have caps. My plan does do unlimited ive tracked my bandwith and i do average of 11GB threw-put and never been charged more then $59.99 per month. on my data-plan. I have it on a completely separate plan then my phone since its a USB Modem.

[J Shed]

I understand everything you are saying, but..Here is the exact add.

Description
The UTStarcom XV6800 for Verizon Wireless offers everything you could want in a mobile device. Microsoft Windows 6.0 comes loaded with Pocket Word, Excel, PowerPoint and Outlook email, address book and calendar - all wirelessly synced with your work or personal accounts. Plus, the UTStarcom XV6800 has built-in WiFi and high-speed cellular data to offer real-time access to news, sports, TV, music and more. And, with the GPS, camera/camcorder and Bluetooth, it’s the only device you need.

Features

* Dual WiFi 802.11b/g And Near-broadband Cellular Data Make This A Best-in-class Smartphone
* Access V CAST Streaming Video and Music And All Websites All At Broadband Speed
* Smart Design Tucks The QWERTY Keyboard Safely Away When Not In Use
* 2.0 Megapixel Camera/Camcorder Lets You Capture The Moment
* Stream Stereo Music Over Bluetooth
* Create, View and Edit Microsoft Word, Excel and PowerPoint Documents, and View PDF Documents
* Onboard GPS Supports Location Based Services And Turn-by-turn Directions
* Huge Color Display With Excellent Touchscreen Technology

Now tell me that someone looking to purchase this phone wouldn't look at that and say to themselves, "GREAT, I can use GPS." They are using it as one of the selling points.

The flaw in this logic is the location you got that info from.

Features

* EV–DO, 1X RTT Capable
* Windows Mobile® 6 Professional
* Microsoft® Office Word Mobile, Excel® Mobile, and PowerPoint® Mobile; Adobe® Reader® LE PDF viewer
* View, edit, create Word; Excel files; view only PowerPoint, PDF files
* Internet Explorer® Mobile
* Windows Media® Player 10
* Memory: 64MB RAM/256MB ROM
* Wi–Fi Connectivity (802.11 b/g)
* Slide Out QWERTY Keyboard with Trackwheel Navigation
* 2.0 megapixel camera with flash, auto–focus and video capture
* 2.8" Display: 240x320 pixel; 64K color TFT
o Touch–sensitive LCD display
o Portrait and landscape orientation

* microSD™ memory slot (up to 4GB)
* Voice command capable
* Speakerphone
* Security locking features
* Text, Picture and Video messaging (MMS)
* Wireless Sync capable
* ActiveSync® capable (v4.5) and Windows Mobile Device Center®
* BroadbandAccess Connect capable


Specifications

* Dimensions: 4.3" (H) x 2.3" (W) x 0.7" (D)
* Weight: 5.8 ounces
* Battery: 1500 mAh Li–Ion
* Usage Time: Up 324 minutes OR
* Standby Time: Up to 340 hours
* TTY enabled for the hearing impaired
* Hearing Aid Compatibility =M3

Note how GPS is not mentioned anywhere there.

[glynch]

So I guess we should all be flooding Best Buy with calls regarding the GPS issue.....lol

[J Shed]

So I guess we should all be flooding Best Buy with calls regarding the GPS issue.....lol

lol, wouldn't be the first time they screwed up. I got an alarm clock that was supposed to support MP3 playback... it doesn't. :mad:

I didn't care enough to take it back, I just rotate CDs.

[soniclooking]

I got the unlimited access and I knew there was a 5gig cap, but what is different from the new 5 gig cap is that you're charged for going over (if i'm correct). With my unlimited data plan, you can go over the 5 gigs its just that your connection will be set to a lower speed.

I'm soooooooo glad i got my plan when i did. I just took a trip to fl and used shoutcast playlist and gsplayer to stream music over bluetooth to a bluetooth rf transmitter. Thats was about 10 hours of music at 128 bps.

It's great because I absolutely hate trying to find radio stations while driving across a state.

My mom bought a data card for her computer so she could drop her cable internet. She got the $39 month plan which is like 50mb(?). I saw that on the receipt and I knew she liked to stay on the computer or just leave the computer on. I immediately got on the Vzw website. Well she ended up using 10gigs in a week and ended up with a $3000 bill! Rediculous. I told her that she should have gotten the 5 gig plan even though it was $20 more. She was needless to say very upset, and called vzw and the rep told her he could change her plan to the 5gig and it would absorb the charges. Solely because they had that promotion of try it for a month or week deal going. $3000 for 2 weeks use.

THE 50MB PLAN IS A JOKE!!
That plan is created so verizon can trick unknowing customers and they go over the 50mb you get charged .50 per mb. That adds up fast.

I didn't mean this to be so long, but if someone is searching and finds this, they know NOT to get the 50mb plan for data. I'd rather pay $140 a month and not $3000 because i went over my data.

[aguas]

afaik, the 5gb cap is only for data cards, not for phones. i believe if you go over 5gigs for the first time, they just call and warn you.

[Hypeo]

so do we need to rename this thread??? It has diviated from its main contents!!

[soniclooking]

Count down to August 31st

12 days

[Hypeo]

Count down to August 31st

12 days

LOL... thanx for bringing the thread back home!!!:)

[rmancl]

I understand everything you are saying, but..Here is the exact add.

...
Features

...
* Access V CAST Streaming Video and Music And All Websites All At Broadband Speed


It also says it has access to V Cast which i never seen on any of the PPC phones that Verizon sells. (correct me if i'm wrong)

My advise, don't but thinkgs because of what is advertised, do your own research.

just my 2 cents.:)

[bball925playa]

It also says it has access to V Cast which i never seen on any of the PPC phones that Verizon sells. (correct me if i'm wrong)

My advise, don't but thinkgs because of what is advertised, do your own research.

just my 2 cents.:)

good catch on that one

[glynch]

Count down to August 31st

12 days

You have a lot of faith in verizon, has this been confirmed?

I am getting the shakes....I haven't had anything to flash in a couple of weeks.:D

[soniclooking]

Count down to August 31st

11 days

[Hypeo]

Count down to August 31st

11 days

I hope your not disappointed !! We all know how this works!!:D

[scorp508]

It also says it has access to V Cast which i never seen on any of the PPC phones that Verizon sells. (correct me if i'm wrong)

My advise, don't but thinkgs because of what is advertised, do your own research.

just my 2 cents.:)

The Q had VCast if that counts. You just had to download/install it from the "Get Apps" area.

[mkenny2]

I will not upgrade until DCD makes a new rom based out of it....I hope GC has already handed it over to DCD! If he has it that is ;)

[firefurby]

The update is a lie. gc is a plant from Verizon to keep us busy and give us false hope by saying there is an update when there isn't.

LOL j/k. I really do hope that's not true.

[animez]

Been waiting for this update for a while. Almost made the jump to the cooked roms available on this site, but I keep chickening out after downloading all the files. I think my main thing is I don't want to have to track down and fix problems after flashing. I'm lazy like that. Hope this doesn't get pushed out again to add some other VZW crapware. VZNavigator is alright, but it most defiantly isn't worth $10 a month. I guess I will be picking up a bluetooth gps dongle after all. Been holding off, hoping aainst hope that VZW would do the right thing. Guess I should have known better.:(

[serfboreds]

The update is a lie. gc is a plant from Verizon to keep us busy and give us false hope by saying there is an update when there isn't.

LOL j/k. I really do hope that's not true.

What fun are vanilla ROMs? :D

All we want are parts from the ROM that are newer or better than we have now. GPS is the only real issue on the table for most people, and it won't be solved by the vanilla ROM unless you intend to pay for vzNav (barf).

[cac2us]

I hope your not disappointed !! We all know how this works!!:D

Just did the migration thing today, Have 2 Moguls & 3 Sanyo handsets from Q. Had to fight like hell to get something better than the LG nV2 or the BB (kiss my little Rapeme In Motion, behind the times) but I did get the 1 XV6800 and 1 Moto Q9c (for the kids to kick around with) along with 3 SAM SCH-U340's. I probly should have waited it out till Feb., but after scanning all these exiting posts, I just gave in to the power of controll. Mabe if we all focus 90% of our direct, concious, thought process in the direction of the greedy corp., execs., they will have a group VISION, and AWAKEN to the realization that the customer is their BREAD & BUTTER!! We are the reason they drive nice cars, we pay for their insurance policies, utillity bills, and everything else that can written off as a business expense. If we keep just quiet about this they will keep milking their CASH COW addon FEES, like GPS and sutch. I' not talking about a rebellion, (or am I)? SO WHO IS WITH ME? (ps. this statement can and will be plausibly deniable.)

[cac2us]

I hope your not disappointed !! We all know how this works!!:D
But seriously this does work, because we have the desire to make our lives better in ways that certain people could never, never understand. Knowing that when we turn a familiar corner, that there is a landmark that comforts our sense of being, and we didn't need GPS to locate it. If you don't mind carrying two handset, look on ebay for all those old qwest Moguls that still have the GPS but no good ESN for the radio. But that seems a little redundant.

[cac2us]

So back on topic, Before I took the plunge, I found the Qwest ROM update at HTC worked great. then 2 days latter I got the news about the "partnership" transition with Verizon. Hey I'm not one to complain, (much) I am just a little anxious too. So if it helps, I just sacrificed a grandfathered data plan ($25.00 UNLIMITED) of course 5GB cap. Was good till maybe Feb., And my primary Mogul was set to expire then too. So now I have joined the ranks of the "network" to offer hope and praise where I truly feel it will do great things for all of us. (please let me know if I sound too, off topic) What I am getting at is Qwest held out until the final hour, to give it up, and now it is of little use to so many people. But I feel in my heart that we can and will make a stronger foundation for the best wireless service provider, by hanging in there, and knowing that Verizon IS looking out for our better interest. That is why they are working so hard at making sure that this ROM will be a good one.

[kashabrown]

So back on topic, Before I took the plunge, I found the Qwest ROM update at HTC worked great. then 2 days latter I got the news about the "partnership" transition with Verizon. Hey I'm not one to complain, (much) I am just a little anxious too. So if it helps, I just sacrificed a grandfathered data plan ($25.00 UNLIMITED) of course 5GB cap. Was good till maybe Feb., And my primary Mogul was set to expire then too. So now I have joined the ranks of the "network" to offer hope and praise where I truly feel it will do great things for all of us. (please let me know if I sound too, off topic) What I am getting at is Qwest held out until the final hour, to give it up, and now it is of little use to so many people. But I feel in my heart that we can and will make a stronger foundation for the best wireless service provider, by hanging in there, and knowing that Verizon IS looking out for our better interest. That is why they are working so hard at making sure that this ROM will be a good one.

If you believe that - I have a bridge for sale (cheap)...:p

[BK111968]

So back on topic, Before I took the plunge, I found the Qwest ROM update at HTC worked great. then 2 days latter I got the news about the "partnership" transition with Verizon. Hey I'm not one to complain, (much) I am just a little anxious too. So if it helps, I just sacrificed a grandfathered data plan ($25.00 UNLIMITED) of course 5GB cap. Was good till maybe Feb., And my primary Mogul was set to expire then too. So now I have joined the ranks of the "network" to offer hope and praise where I truly feel it will do great things for all of us. (please let me know if I sound too, off topic) What I am getting at is Qwest held out until the final hour, to give it up, and now it is of little use to so many people. But I feel in my heart that we can and will make a stronger foundation for the best wireless service provider, by hanging in there, and knowing that Verizon IS looking out for our better interest. That is why they are working so hard at making sure that this ROM will be a good one.

Sorry to say it but sucking up to Slorizon in your last two sentances isn't going to speed them up into releasing the update any sooner. LOL

[madsuse]

We will just have to wait and see how locked down and propritary it is which is usually the case with Verizon.

My big hope is that it can quickly be dissected for use in future 3rd party ROMs

[maddog241]

Greetings to all,

First let me say "thank you" to all of you who spend countless hours in providing a wealth of useful information here. I very much appreciate all your work.

In reading a significant amount of material here, a question has come to mind. Please correct me if I'm on the wrong track with this as I am somewhat of a noob to the VZW XV-6800. From what I understand, when a stock ROM and Radio (non GPS) are replaced with a GPS enabled version, a VZW phone loses it A-key for network authentication. When this update is released, it has GPS functionality, albeit proprietatary for VZnav, but it is enabled to some extent. It may be too early to answer this question, but once flashed to the new VZW update, then to something custom, will the A-key issue still be a problem? Or will it retain the A-key as it does when flashing from GPS enabled to a different GPS enabled?

Just a thought, as I am contemplating the wait for Verizon...

[nitro66215]

Greetings to all,

First let me say "thank you" to all of you who spend countless hours in providing a wealth of useful information here. I very much appreciate all your work.

In reading a significant amount of material here, a question has come to mind. Please correct me if I'm on the wrong track with this as I am somewhat of a noob to the VZW XV-6800. From what I understand, when a stock ROM and Radio (non GPS) are replaced with a GPS enabled version, a VZW phone loses it A-key for network authentication. When this update is released, it has GPS functionality, albeit proprietatary for VZnav, but it is enabled to some extent. It may be too early to answer this question, but once flashed to the new VZW update, then to something custom, will the A-key issue still be a problem? Or will it retain the A-key as it does when flashing from GPS enabled to a different GPS enabled?

Just a thought, as I am contemplating the wait for Verizon...
I think verizon will have that taken care of in the release. I personally have gone from stock Non-GPS to GPS and havent' had to do the A-key thing. But, I am also working with my "Cloned" Sprint phone that I have on Verizon. I have the QPST file saved from my original XV6800 and write it to my PPC6800 without having to worry about many settings.

[madsuse]

Greetings to all,

First let me say "thank you" to all of you who spend countless hours in providing a wealth of useful information here. I very much appreciate all your work.

In reading a significant amount of material here, a question has come to mind. Please correct me if I'm on the wrong track with this as I am somewhat of a noob to the VZW XV-6800. From what I understand, when a stock ROM and Radio (non GPS) are replaced with a GPS enabled version, a VZW phone loses it A-key for network authentication. When this update is released, it has GPS functionality, albeit proprietatary for VZnav, but it is enabled to some extent. It may be too early to answer this question, but once flashed to the new VZW update, then to something custom, will the A-key issue still be a problem? Or will it retain the A-key as it does when flashing from GPS enabled to a different GPS enabled?

Just a thought, as I am contemplating the wait for Verizon...

If it isn't fixed there will be a lot of techs putting in overtime at the Verizon call centers

[kflipproductions]

im pretty positive itll be similar to flashing the Oficial Sprint rom before dcd's. the official sprint rom maintains the a-key and other EPST settings. im sure the verizon update will too.

[maddog241]

I have not, as of yet, flashed my XV-6800 from the stock radio/rom. What I am hoping for is flashing first to the official Verizon update...then on to something custom will will eliminate the A-key problem that many have had.

[maddog241]

All of this is assuming, of course, that Verizon does release this update before we are all old and gray...

Wait, make that older and grayer...

[madsuse]

It wasn't a big deal to call and get my phone reauthenticated when I did my first gps enabled radio, it was quite painless.

Just tell em you did a hard reset and that is it.

[kashabrown]

It wasn't a big deal to call and get my phone reauthenticated when I did my first gps enabled radio, it was quite painless.

Just tell em you did a hard reset and that is it.

Agreed. I just did it to a friend's XV6800 and it took literally 1 minute as the tech did it over the air and tested it while I was on the phone with him. One thing I do love about Verizon is their tech support ppl are much better than most other company's tech support.

[glynch]

Response (James M.) 08/21/2008 02:08 PM
Hello Greg,

The ROM update for the XV6800 is still awaiting approval by Verizon. It is due to be released in late August or early September.

Thank you for contacting Personal Communications Devices Tech Support.

James M.

[glynch]

Next Answer...............


Greg,

From what I'm being told, VZ Navigator will not be supported on the new ROM update.

[DrHankZ]

Response (James M.) 08/21/2008 02:08 PM
Hello Greg,

The ROM update for the XV6800 is still awaiting approval by Verizon. It is due to be released in late August or early September.

Thank you for contacting Personal Communications Devices Tech Support.

James M.

By All means - lets wait until Labor Day Weekend.

Then we can all HOSE our 6800's and won't be able
to find any tech support :D

[jncokilla]

Were never going to get the update...I notice the other day when i payed my bill that the removed the 6800's. I guess we all can get the Diamond Touch Pro instead

[Cycomachead]

GC has anything changed? Still see for a release in 10 days?

[BK111968]

Maybe we should all send an e-mail to Lowell McAdams (CEO of Verizon Wireless) and ask him if he knows when it will be released. :D

I don't see Verizon holding the release on us since the Alltel PPC 6800 already has the ROM update and are expected to be on-line in January on the network unless they force a downgrade of some sort.

[iampedro]

I think that is a good advise...what is his e-mail?

[Paul in Maryland]

Were never going to get the update...I notice the other day when i payed my bill that the removed the 6800's. I guess we all can get the Diamond Touch Pro instead

That's bad news. The 6800 has a 2.8-inch LCD; the Diamond Touch Pro, 2.4 inches. 2.8 is already small enough to be pushing the limits of usability and fun for Windows Mobile Pro.

[BK111968]

Here is a link to Lowell McAdam at Verizon. I'm not sure if he'll see it but I just sent him a little note about the lack of an offical XV-6800 update. If more people would write him than perhaps someone will get an answer from some higher up the chain. There is a link under his biography that says e-mail Lowell McAdam.

http://aboutus.vzw.com/leadership/executive/profiles/Lowell_McAdam.html

[DrHankZ]

Here is a link to Lowell McAdam at Verizon. I'm not sure if he'll see it but I just sent him a little note about the lack of an offical XV-6800 update. If more people would write him than perhaps someone will get an answer from some higher up the chain. There is a link under his biography that says e-mail Lowell McAdam.

http://aboutus.vzw.com/leadership/executive/profiles/Lowell_McAdam.html

Thanks for the Link - I just sent Lowell a Question also.

[symyn]

That's bad news. The 6800 has a 2.8-inch LCD; the Diamond Touch Pro, 2.4 inches. 2.8 is already small enough to be pushing the limits of usability and fun for Windows Mobile Pro.

First, it is not called Diamond Touch Pro, its called HTC Touch Pro.

Second, the Touch Pro will have a 2.8 VGA (http://www.htc.com/www/product.aspx?id=49518) screen that should be awesome compared to our QVGA screen. EDIT to include link.

[glynch]

Not that it will do anything, but I just sent a note also.

[nitro66215]

Not that it will do anything, but I just sent a note also.
I got a reply that probably won't mean anything...

Quote:
Mr. ********,

Thank you for your e-mail to Mr. Lowell C. McAdam, President and CEO of Verizon Wireless.

Kindly respond to this message with your mobile telephone number and daytime contact information so a member of our staff can assist you.

Thank you very much in advance.

Regards,

Kevin C. Tillyer
Verizon Wireless
HQ Executive Relations Coordinator
Tel (908) 559-5497
e-mail Kevin.Tillyer@verizonwireless.com

[DrHankZ]

I got a reply that probably won't mean anything...

Quote:
Mr. ********,

Thank you for your e-mail to Mr. Lowell C. McAdam, President and CEO of Verizon Wireless.

Kindly respond to this message with your mobile telephone number and daytime contact information so a member of our staff can assist you.

Thank you very much in advance.

Regards,

Kevin C. Tillyer
Verizon Wireless
HQ Executive Relations Coordinator
Tel (908) 559-5497
e-mail Kevin.Tillyer@verizonwireless.com

EXACT same Reply I got ;)

[nitro66215]

EXACT same Reply I got ;)
I really wonder if his Inbox gets flooded... if they will do anything. Probably not.

[DrHankZ]

I really wonder if his Inbox gets flooded... if they will do anything. Probably not.

It Can't Hurt to Try.

[BK111968]

hmmm, I didn't get a message. I guess I don't count as an owner/consumer.

[nitro66215]

hmmm, I didn't get a message. I guess I don't count as an owner/consumer.
He may be flooded and overwhelmed... or just out on a big lunch break like a corporate executive. LOL

[tschwenke]

I believe someone posted this back in this thread, but why exactly do I want this update if it is going to cripple my phone?

I understand we could get some updated drivers (obviously the GPS one for verizon sucks), but other than that why would I want to change from my DCD rom??

And yes, they need to keep the phone or somehthing like it (windows mobile). I want a physical keyboard, simple as that. I could have gotten a touch and lost the keyboard and 802.11, sounds like a loss loss to me.

[nitro66215]

I believe someone posted this back in this thread, but why exactly do I want this update if it is going to cripple my phone?

I understand we could get some updated drivers (obviously the GPS one for verizon sucks), but other than that why would I want to change from my DCD rom??

And yes, they need to keep the phone or somehthing like it (windows mobile). I want a physical keyboard, simple as that. I could have gotten a touch and lost the keyboard and 802.11, sounds like a loss loss to me.
I agree. I just need it for the PPST.exe and settings for the PRI / ERI... Since I have a Mogul converted to Verizon and it has the Sprint PRI which causes it to say roaming.

[BK111968]

I believe someone posted this back in this thread, but why exactly do I want this update if it is going to cripple my phone?

I understand we could get some updated drivers (obviously the GPS one for verizon sucks), but other than that why would I want to change from my DCD rom??

And yes, they need to keep the phone or somehthing like it (windows mobile). I want a physical keyboard, simple as that. I could have gotten a touch and lost the keyboard and 802.11, sounds like a loss loss to me.

Simple- with my luck, I'll wind up hosing my phone installing a rom that Verizon doesn't support and will in fact void my warranty (face it - these aren't the most durable devices out there since this is my second one).

What I am looking for is a fix to get MSVC 1.6 functional since the Cyberone Voice Dialer is a poor excuse of software.

If everyone is updating to 6.1 or releasing new equipment with it then I don't see what takes Verizon so long- considering the Samsung I760 was recently updated.

[nitro66215]

I got a call back from Corporate Verizon. Some lady said she spoke with the tech dept and has yet to receive an ETA on the update... but being that it's late in the day, she will probably have an answer for me by Monday. I have her name, number and extension.

[DrHankZ]

I got a call back from Corporate Verizon. Some lady said she spoke with the tech dept and has yet to receive an ETA on the update... but being that it's late in the day, she will probably have an answer for me by Monday. I have her name, number and extension.

I got a call back from Corporate Verizon - a Man - who said
he talked to someone who said it was available now. I said
WHERE?

He said on the Microsoft website.

I said WRONG ANSWER - it needs to come from Verizon
SUPPORT. He said he would look into it deeper and call
me on Monday with the CORRECT Info.

At least we rocked the Verizon Boat :D

[nitro66215]

LOL. They need the boat tipped over. SLORIZON!!!

[DrHankZ]

LOL. They need the boat tipped over. SLORIZON!!!

But Rocking is a good place to START http://www.rx8web.com/smilies/bouncy.gif

[jpspiderman]

Just sent Mr. CEO a letter and talked to VZ tech support. the woman says just keep checking. I say for the love of god what are they doing to this rom that's taking this long. =o)

[BK111968]

I got a call back from Corporate Verizon - a Man - who said
he talked to someone who said it was available now. I said
WHERE?

He said on the Microsoft website.

I said WRONG ANSWER - it needs to come from Verizon
SUPPORT. He said he would look into it deeper and call
me on Monday with the CORRECT Info.

At least we rocked the Verizon Boat :D


haha - I still haven't gotten an e-mail or a phone call but I did get the same answer as you all did about Microsoft needing to release it, tech support has no idea to keep checking the website.

I was very nice in e-mail btw.

[HTC Kid]

Are you inferring that there may not be an update? If not, are you inferring that the update will "probably" enable aGPS for VZNav and "probably" enable Rev A?

I can assure you there IS an update, it WILL enable aGPS for VZNav, it WILL enable Rev A, and it WILL contain WM 6.1.

Please read the contents of the thread before posting next time.

Sounds like someone has some info... where did you manage to score your info from bud? I've got the same info as the above guy. No news of a release. Its been quoted as "on the way" for a while. Hell, I remember when I leaked we had the device back in Jan '07...we sat on it for 10 months. I have no news of a software update but if you have some source please do share. :-) PM me if you want. :-)

[deeznuts2]

Sounds like someone has some info... where did you manage to score your info from bud? I've got the same info as the above guy. No news of a release. Its been quoted as "on the way" for a while. Hell, I remember when I leaked we had the device back in Jan '07...we sat on it for 10 months. I have no news of a software update but if you have some source please do share. :-) PM me if you want. :-)

Go back to page 1 and read a few posts...

[SteveNYC]

HTC Kid, you're new here, so before anyone takes a swipe at you, I'll point out that you should have read from the beginning of the thread if you want to know about the topic at hand. GC14 *has* the update and has promised the person who he obtained it from that he would not release it publicly until that person gave permission.

GC14 is, to put it lightly, an extremely well respected member here on XDA. While we are all waiting for the release to "drop", there is work being done on the backend to open up these gems for us. A lot of people are anxious to see this update. But in truth, people are more interested in the work that DCD, GC14 and others will do with this update as they disassemble it and unlock more of the useful parts that we're all looking for (aGPS server location).

I know you didn't say anything negative. But others will jump at the defense of people like GC14 pretty quickly, so I just wanted to say all this in a more neutral tone.

[rmancl]

Sounds like someone has some info... where did you manage to score your info from bud? I've got the same info as the above guy. No news of a release. Its been quoted as "on the way" for a while. Hell, I remember when I leaked we had the device back in Jan '07...we sat on it for 10 months. I have no news of a software update but if you have some source please do share. :-) PM me if you want. :-)

Do you work for Verizon? You mentioned the YOU leaked information on the device it self.

[animez]

I wish we had at least a tentative date from someone inside Verizon. I mostly want this for the 6.1 and GPS (which I'me sure VZW will STILL have locked down). I will probably go ahead with the official update when it's out and upgrade to the hacked rom when it's out and stable. My phone still stock at this point, gonna keep it that way till it's worth it to go with a custom rom. I paid too much for my phone to risk bricking it, even if the risk is minimal. :p

[DrHankZ]

I wish we had at least a tentative date from someone inside Verizon. I mostly want this for the 6.1 and GPS (which I'me sure VZW will STILL have locked down). I will probably go ahead with the official update when it's out and upgrade to the hacked rom when it's out and stable. My phone still stock at this point, gonna keep it that way till it's worth it to go with a custom rom. I paid too much for my phone to risk bricking it, even if the risk is minimal. :p

I just want it because WM 6.0 has so many things
that just don't work - I hope some of them will
be fixed in 6.1.

[HTC Kid]

Do you work for Verizon? You mentioned the YOU leaked information on the device it self.

Yep I do. Here's the link for the stuff I passed out.
http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2006/12/22/verizon-utstarcom-xv6800-the-cdma-tytn-lives/

[kdj67f]

Yep I do. Here's the link for the stuff I passed out.
http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2006/12/22/verizon-utstarcom-xv6800-the-cdma-tytn-lives/

Iam sorry, but the first splash on that page screams:

96 MB ram. I wish.

Wrong device

[dan0matic]

Iam sorry, but the first splash on that page screams:

96 MB ram. I wish.

Wrong device

I would believe that it was an early spec sheet... Kind of like the kind that rumors are built on... kind of like exactly what it was. Don't doubt HTC Kid. He had more correct info than anyone else on the release of the 6800. Just because he has only a few posts here does not mean he does not have credibility...

Dan

[kdj67f]

I would believe that it was an early spec sheet... Kind of like the kind that rumors are built on... kind of like exactly what it was. Don't doubt HTC Kid. He had more correct info than anyone else on the release of the 6800. Just because he has only a few posts here does not mean he does not have credibility...

Dan

Regardless, it does not belong in this thread.

[thundaar2000]

I hate this waiting....
All I want is the MSVC and BT to work properly... Is that too much to ask?
6.1 is supposed to remedy these, I hope!!

[Summit1]

At this point, I would not install a VZW 'official ROM' update even if one comes out. I seriously doubt it will include WM 6.1, but even if it does, I like dcd's without all the VZW proprietary crap! ;)

[thundaar2000]

I seriously doubt it will include WM 6.1, ! ;)

First couple of posts says 6.1 IS included ... if you read them ...

[nitro66215]

I got a call back from Verizon Corporate with the same line of BS we all know. "It's in testing, and I can't give you a date of release because it's unknown. Usually it takes a month when in testing." Ok... well... It's been over a month since you had it!!!

[gc14]

Sounds like someone has some info... where did you manage to score your info from bud? I've got the same info as the above guy. No news of a release. Its been quoted as "on the way" for a while. Hell, I remember when I leaked we had the device back in Jan '07...we sat on it for 10 months. I have no news of a software update but if you have some source please do share. :-) PM me if you want. :-)

Well "bud", I don't work for VZW, but it seems like I have a little more pull than you because I do have the update, and I'm not at liberty to say where I got it from.

To the rest of you anxiously and patiently waiting, I'm sorry I haven't posted lately as I've been absolutely slammed at work (yes, some of us do have day jobs hehe).

When I get a minute, I'm going to be contacting my source, as well as my contacts from UTStarcom and getting some information.

On another note, I was on a conference call last week with a few very distinguished people from some well known companies talked about in this thread. One of the contacts being someone from Networks In Motion (creator of VZNavigator). I'm also in contact with higher ups at HTC. While we're waiting for the update to drop, we're working on getting the aGPS info WITHOUT the update.

[tntopspin]

On another note, I was on a conference call last week with a few very distinguished people from some well known companies talked about in this thread. One of the contacts being someone from Networks In Motion (creator of VZNavigator). I'm also in contact with higher ups at HTC. While we're waiting for the update to drop, we're working on getting the aGPS info WITHOUT the update.
gc, thanks for some great work on the technical and social fronts for us.

Maybe I'm just sensitive/paranoid because I dodged some corporate weasel attorneys this morning, but I have to think that if HTC and other providers are somehow involved in unlocking aGPS for VZW clients around the VZW/VZNav "lockdown"..... VZW is going fire some legal shots over the bow of those involved to protect its revenue stream from the VZNav product.

One wonders what the percentage of VZNav revenue comes from XV6800, of course, and whether it is worth VZW's trouble to deal with the even smaller percentage of us who flash our phones.

It would cause me pause, gc, to be talking with those folks. Your skills and 5|<illz continue to amaze. Thanks.

[DrHankZ]

I got a call back from Verizon Corporate with the same line of BS we all know. "It's in testing, and I can't give you a date of release because it's unknown. Usually it takes a month when in testing." Ok... well... It's been over a month since you had it!!!

I didn't get my promised call back?

WHY :p

I can't say in a public forum ;)

[DrHankZ]

When I get a minute, I'm going to be contacting my source, as well as my contacts from UTStarcom and getting some information.

Thanks GC - We have all been missing your contributions http://www.rx8web.com/smilies/bouncy.gif

[BK111968]

Thank you Gc for keeping us in the loop.

I think what most people are bugged about is the complete lack of information coming from Verizon about this update and at least when information is released people know it's being worked on.

[Cycomachead]

thanks gc!!! Just how on earth do you get all those contacts? Should we work out a spec list for the best WinMo device?

[themetalman]

Is this the update we are waiting for?
It’s on the site now.
http://handsets.utstar.com/view_phone_details.aspx?mcode=XV6800&bID=89&sAct=0

I just downloaded it.

XV-6800 Software Upgrade Instructions

Welcome to the XV-6800 Software Upgrade Utility. This program will take you through the installation of the software update.
Upgrade Process Compatible OS: Windows 2000, Windows XP 32-bits, Windows XP 64-bits, Windows Vista 32-bits and Windows Vista 64-bits
Some of the primary enhancements with this upgrade are:
• Upgraded OS to Windows Mobile 6.1
• Added EVDO Rev A capability
• Updated the MMS client to be compatible with WM 6.1
• Added Microsoft Remote Desktop Application
• Added capability to use VzNavigator application.
• Resolved compatibility issues with Microsoft Voice Command 1.6.
• Added capability to read micro SD card of up to 16GB memory.

[SteveNYC]

BAM! Nice catch themetalman...

[Pegasus"143"]

Is this the update we are waiting for?
It’s on the site now.
http://handsets.utstar.com/view_phone_details.aspx?mcode=XV6800&bID=89&sAct=0

I just downloaded it.

XV-6800 Software Upgrade Instructions

Welcome to the XV-6800 Software Upgrade Utility. This program will take you through the installation of the software update.
Upgrade Process Compatible OS: Windows 2000, Windows XP 32-bits, Windows XP 64-bits, Windows Vista 32-bits and Windows Vista 64-bits
Some of the primary enhancements with this upgrade are:
• Upgraded OS to Windows Mobile 6.1
• Added EVDO Rev A capability
• Updated the MMS client to be compatible with WM 6.1
• Added Microsoft Remote Desktop Application
• Added capability to use VzNavigator application.
• Resolved compatibility issues with Microsoft Voice Command 1.6.
• Added capability to read micro SD card of up to 16GB memory.


So who is going to be the second to use this rom since GC has been the first to test?

[Hypeo]

So who is going to be the second to use this rom since GC has been the first to test?

Well, i will probably update my friends VX phone tomorrow and see how he likes it!!!

[scrosler]

So who is going to be the second to use this rom since GC has been the first to test?

Flashing now.....

[xpguy2000]

Do u see the bluetooth fix ?, I don't.

[scrosler]

Is this the update we are waiting for?
It’s on the site now.
http://handsets.utstar.com/view_phone_details.aspx?mcode=XV6800&bID=89&sAct=0

I just downloaded it.

XV-6800 Software Upgrade Instructions

Welcome to the XV-6800 Software Upgrade Utility. This program will take you through the installation of the software update.
Upgrade Process Compatible OS: Windows 2000, Windows XP 32-bits, Windows XP 64-bits, Windows Vista 32-bits and Windows Vista 64-bits
Some of the primary enhancements with this upgrade are:
• Upgraded OS to Windows Mobile 6.1
• Added EVDO Rev A capability
• Updated the MMS client to be compatible with WM 6.1
• Added Microsoft Remote Desktop Application
• Added capability to use VzNavigator application.
• Resolved compatibility issues with Microsoft Voice Command 1.6.
• Added capability to read micro SD card of up to 16GB memory.

WE need a new thread and this one needs to be closed. Too lazy to start a new thread. Too busy pacing back and forth while this thing loads.... Fingers crossed....

[thundaar2000]

Kinda funny... everyone watches the HTC site and it showed up on the UTStar site!! I downloaded and will flash at 6:00 AM!

[kdj67f]

I am hardly even excited about this anymore. I am sure GC and DCD will rip out all the good guts and make custom apps and ROMs from it. I find it hard to believe that a factory ROM will be any better than DCD 3.2.6.

I am excited to see some kind of progress on verizons part though. Let us know how well it runs those who have flashed it.

[Pegasus"143"]

I was just wondering who was going to try it.
Me I'll be wating for Gc and DCD to rip it apart and give us the best rom available.

Thanks for all the hard work that ya'll do and if I can ever contribute let me know.

[dan0matic]

Well, I'm now 6% into the flash. I'll report what I find. So far so good.

Dan

[scrosler]

Well, I'm now 6% into the flash. I'll report what I find. So far so good.

Dan

It blows! GPS is locked just like GC said. Cant find VZ Navigator anywhere.

[BK111968]

Is this the "official" Verizon ROM update? I checked Verizon's website this morning and I don't see it posted under the XV-6800 support pages and this seems to be more of a manufacturer's update. The nice thing is that at least if people getting tired of waiting for Verizon they can upload this one.

I think I'm going to hold off for a couple of weeks and wait to see if something is released on Verizon's site or perhaps GC will be kind enough to put his thoughts in on this.

[nitro66215]

Is this the "official" Verizon ROM update? I checked Verizon's website this morning and I don't see it posted under the XV-6800 support pages and this seems to be more of a manufacturer's update. The nice thing is that at least if people getting tired of waiting for Verizon they can upload this one.

I think I'm going to hold off for a couple of weeks and wait to see if something is released on Verizon's site or perhaps GC will be kind enough to put his thoughts in on this.
Being that UTStarcom has it listed as Verizon Wireless.... I believe this update is legit.

[serfboreds]

It blows! GPS is locked just like GC said. Cant find VZ Navigator anywhere.

Who doubted him? This was said a long time ago, and the best solution is the one GC is working on. I mean really, why would anyone run the stock rom over custom ones as a long term solution. It offers a new stock to flash back to, some other apps, and a jumping point for aGPS.
Patience guys.

BTW- This thread has become increasingly masturbatory with a not so happy ending. :D

[gc14]

I told you I'd be in touch with my contact at UTStarcom :)

Why do you think they finally released it? ;)

The bad news is that it's just like I said it would be. Proprietary lockdown for now. Will be working on a fix.

[DrHankZ]

I told you I'd be in touch with my contact at UTStarcom :)

Why do you think they finally released it?

Because it is on their website for download?

That is a clue to most of us ;)

[gc14]

Because it is on their website for download?

That is a clue to most of us

Ugh you obviously can't take subtle hints....

[DrHankZ]

Ugh you obviously can't take subtle hints....

You are right - I'm not into Subtle Hints.

Most people use a sledge hammer on me :mad:

[paulash]

I told you I'd be in touch with my contact at UTStarcom :)

Why do you think they finally released it? ;)

The bad news is that it's just like I said it would be. Proprietary lockdown for now. Will be working on a fix.

What kind of GPS locking speeds would this fix bring, hypothetically?

[serfboreds]

What kind of GPS locking speeds would this fix bring, hypothetically?

Sprint lock times are nearly instantaneous. Verizon lock times are from 10 sec to never, depending on hardware, firmware, software, signal, and a million other intangibles.

Out of curiosity, how many of you are using manual GPS settings in Google Maps? I find that to be the best way to prime now, I get a lock within a minute every time unless I am indoors.

I traveled throughout central and southern California this weekend and know that there are just some dead-ish zones for GPS.

For me, Google maps initializes the GPS and locks quicker for me than the HTC GPS tool did, and with less clicks.

[gc14]

What kind of GPS locking speeds would this fix bring, hypothetically?

Hypothetically...if we were able to utilize the aGPS that VZNav uses, it would provide near instant locks (just like Sprint has now).

[paulash]

Hypothetically...if we were able to utilize the aGPS that VZNav uses, it would provide near instant locks (just like Sprint has now).

Ahhh ok! So basically it's no longer a matter of what can get instantaneous GPS locks, but rather how long it would take to find a fix, right?? Is this something that can be put together in days or months??

I'm just asking so hopefully a few other people won't have to clutter this thread with the same questions :) Thanks !

[gc14]

Ahhh ok! So basically it's no longer a matter of what can get instantaneous GPS locks, but rather how long it would take to find a fix, right?? Is this something that can be put together in days or months??

I'm just asking so hopefully a few other people won't have to clutter this thread with the same questions Thanks !

I'm working on it. I'm going to be in contact with some distinguished people over at Networks In Motion (creators of VZNav) and maybe they can enlighten on how the LBS Driver actually utilizes aGPS used by VZNav.

[iampedro]

Glad to here that gc14.. I would love to use verizon stock rom and a tweak that would allow for me to use the gps... Thanks...

[DrHankZ]

On How the released upgrade is working?

Good and Bad Experiences?

Curious Minds Need to Know :D

I did FIND this THREAD (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=420691) after I posted.

[scrosler]

On How the released upgrade is working?

Good and Bad Experiences?

Curious Minds Need to Know :D

I did FIND this THREAD (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=420691) after I posted.

It sucks. Dont do it. Stay with a DCD ROM.

[indagroove]

What radio does this come with?

[deeznuts2]

Is this the "official" Verizon ROM update? I checked Verizon's website this morning and I don't see it posted under the XV-6800 support pages and this seems to be more of a manufacturer's update. The nice thing is that at least if people getting tired of waiting for Verizon they can upload this one.

I think I'm going to hold off for a couple of weeks and wait to see if something is released on Verizon's site or perhaps GC will be kind enough to put his thoughts in on this.

http://support.vzw.com/phones/?lid=//global//support//phones+and+devices

Check out the bottom of the page under "Downloads" - file is almost 60MB

[deeznuts2]

It sucks. Dont do it. Stay with a DCD ROM.

It sucks? Care to elaborate?

It sucks if you wanted GPS functionality - otherwise its a perfectly good upgrade.

You have to figure that most people on this forum is more knowledgeable about upgrading and such than the average user. The average user is going to want to use this upgrade since they dont care about all the things you folks are complaining about.

I'm upgrading with it since all I need is RevA and personally, have found very little benefit from the cooked roms

So whether it sucks or not is a personal preference

[winiden]

Once I've upgraded, is there a way to determine for sure if I have a rev-a connection? My network speeds are remarkably faster...is there a way to determine for sure that the upgrade happened on the phone as well?

[deeznuts2]

Once I've upgraded, is there a way to determine for sure if I have a rev-a connection? My network speeds are remarkably faster...is there a way to determine for sure that the upgrade happened on the phone as well?

it happened

But just in case you need to see numbers, dslreports mobile speed test (http://www.dslreports.com/mspeed?jisok=1)

[winiden]

it happened

But just in case you need to see numbers, dslreports mobile speed test (http://www.dslreports.com/mspeed?jisok=1)

Sorry, that last post of mine should have said speeds are NOT remarkably faster...my typo. Anyway, I'm assuming that means no Rev.A coverage in my area. I flashed one of dcd's roms, btw.

[Cycomachead]

Thanks Gc. What's different about the PRI? One of the posts made it sound like it effects GPS. Does it?

Any new drivers or WM build?

[scrosler]

It sucks? Care to elaborate?

It sucks if you wanted GPS functionality - otherwise its a perfectly good upgrade.

You have to figure that most people on this forum is more knowledgeable about upgrading and such than the average user. The average user is going to want to use this upgrade since they dont care about all the things you folks are complaining about.

I'm upgrading with it since all I need is RevA and personally, have found very little benefit from the cooked roms

So whether it sucks or not is a personal preference

My apologies. You are correct but I believe that is what he asked for, my personal experience. If I mis read the question then shame on me but I dont beleive i did.

I should have given reasons why so you are correct again. These re the turn offs for me:

#1. The radio inst as good as the Telus or sprint Radio ( Its an older firmware). My reception now suffers because of that. To me that Sucks.

#2. The AKU is 1.0.3! Isnt that close to the original release of WinMo 6.1? How long has it been out now? Updating my phone to already significantly outdated software sucks.

#3. Verizon is not supporting this ROM in any way shape or form, at this time. They promised it was VZ Nav cpable but you cant use it (yet). Thats a HUGE let down for me. That sucks! You may not be bothered by this as you stated but to me that just S U C KS ! ! ! ! !

So although this is a preference based answer I hope I explained better as to why I feel this ROM sucks.

Now if he asked "How does this ROM compare to the Stock non GPS ROM from VZW" I would have said its a huge improvement. But he did not ask that. He asked our exp with the ROM and with that I think it sucks. You dont have to agree nor value my opinion but please do not disregard it.

And thank you for pointing out my hasty answer. I should have elaborated better to begin with.

I also apologize if I seem somewhat cynical and discouraged but I am. I was hoping to possibly stop people from wasting there time with an unsupported ROM.


Does this satisfy your question?

[soniclooking]

What do you mean it's not verizon supported? It's on their website. I'm gonna go ahead and upgrade. I really wanted gps, but i'd settle for improvements with 6.1. I really looking forward to threaded sms.

[flyers2114]

What do you mean it's not verizon supported? It's on their website. I'm gonna go ahead and upgrade. I really wanted gps, but i'd settle for improvements with 6.1. I really looking forward to threaded sms.

I think this is an example of non-support....


Quote:
Originally Posted by scrosler
Ok, found VZnavigator. Have to download from the VZW start page. Installing now.
This is STUPID! I called VZW and they dont support VZNav yet. I went to the local store here in Fargo and they were tapping dancing as hard as they could when I asked them to activate it. Even told me I was wrong and that its simply not available. Sent me to tech support. Tech support really danced then. Told me that the GPS software is not ready although its on my phone. They even agreed its all a bunch of crap.

Once again , thanks a lot for nothing Verizon.

Does VZW have a training department?

[scrosler]

I think this is an example of non-support....


Quote:
Originally Posted by scrosler
Ok, found VZnavigator. Have to download from the VZW start page. Installing now.
This is STUPID! I called VZW and they dont support VZNav yet. I went to the local store here in Fargo and they were tapping dancing as hard as they could when I asked them to activate it. Even told me I was wrong and that its simply not available. Sent me to tech support. Tech support really danced then. Told me that the GPS software is not ready although its on my phone. They even agreed its all a bunch of crap.

Once again , thanks a lot for nothing Verizon.

Does VZW have a training department?

Best example I can give. Dont believe me, call them then post your results. I guess its entirely possible that the 5 different people I spoke to that told me it wasnt supported were wrong but I dont think so. They stand to make money from this. Yes, I want to actually PAY for VZ Nav. I thought it was one of the best GPS apps I have seen. Those blood sucking leaches never turn down money.

[paulash]

Best example I can give. Dont believe me, call them then post your results. I guess its entirely possible that the 5 different people I spoke to that told me it wasnt supported were wrong but I dont think so. They stand to make money from this. Yes, I want to actually PAY for VZ Nav. I thought it was one of the best GPS apps I have seen. Those blood sucking leaches never turn down money.

If you have unlimited data do they still charge for VZnavigator??

[scrosler]

If you have unlimited data do they still charge for VZnavigator??

Yes but I heard that if you a certain level plan it would be free. Cant remember where I saw it but I want to say the VZW site.

[nitro66215]

Yes but I heard that if you a certain level plan it would be free. Cant remember where I saw it but I want to say the VZW site.
When you run VZNavigator and you don't have it on your plan, it just errors saying that you aren't provisioned to use it. Call CS to get it. :mad: I'm not paying for Shi*

[ceber]

and even with the unlimited data plan, you DO HAVE TO PAY:mad:

[soniclooking]

I downloaded the update. I hooked my phone to usb. i ran the install. It stops, my phone is now in i guess bootloader. so I sit and wait for vista to find the drivers. It finds them. I run install again. Now it starts to show progress. Finally it finishes. Yeah, I'm excited. Ok so now i want to check my balance using #225. I can't dial out. so i dial the *228 to program my phone. Still can't make calls. So i had to dial the #8899? number and talk to a nice guy and fixes the problem. Now phone works. Great.

So the only thing I see that is what i was expecting to get was the threaded sms. So i'm happy. As far as gps, If vz navigator can step up and provide me with the best possible gps program ever, i'm talking voice guided directions, voice activated searches, movie times, all the awesome stuff that Windows Live search does. that is when i will put down 9.99 a month for it. I think everyone is upset that something that is free to others is now $9.99 a month for us. Which i understand completely.

But if someone will use the software and let me know if it rocks out loud, I'll get it. I'm about to start a new job working for the cable company. I will have to drive a route repairing and installing cable. If i can have my phone give me directions to each house/apartment with voice guided directions, that would be awesome.

so anyone using vz nav!

[andyink]

Did the upgrade screw up anyone else with MS Voice Command? I'm having a really bad time with it. Anyone know a fix?:confused:

[thundaar2000]

Did the upgrade screw up anyone else with MS Voice Command? I'm having a really bad time with it. Anyone know a fix?:confused:

Same here... I installed it and everything froze. The phone worked OK without using VC, but I could not click on start -> settings. All would freeze to the point of soft reset. I uninstalled it (only could get to uninstall it from activesync desktop remove progs) All worked fine again. So I had an older 1.6 MSVC desktop install package (the one I bought a while ago) and it installed fine but announce and notifications are still not working... HA! And they said they fixed it :mad:
Anyone know of a version that works?

[DrHankZ]

Did the upgrade screw up anyone else with MS Voice Command? I'm having a really bad time with it. Anyone know a fix?:confused:

Voice Command works fine for me.

I had to resintall it after the update and you
have to DISABLE VOICE SPEED DIAL.

[deboy_001]

Same here... I installed it and everything froze. The phone worked OK without using VC, but I could not click on start -> settings. All would freeze to the point of soft reset. I uninstalled it (only could get to uninstall it from activesync desktop remove progs) All worked fine again. So I had an older 1.6 MSVC desktop install package (the one I bought a while ago) and it installed fine but announce and notifications are still not working... HA! And they said they fixed it :mad:
Anyone know of a version that works?

The same thing happened to me, but that was when I installed VC plus the announcement patch without even checking to see if all my settings were right. Anyway, I uninstalled everything and installed version 1.60.4622.0 with no fixes or anything and everything is perfect! Just had to check my settings... The usual make sure it is check to announce texts and the "high priority messages only" is unchecked. Set to announce calls under "phone". Also look under notifications and see if it's set on "only announce through bluetooth" because that's what happend to me at first and I thought it wasn't working. Hope it helps. Everything on this version works including confirmation over bluetooth headset. Oh yea, don't forget to disable voice speed dial in settings->personal or else your bluetooth headset button will activate that instead of VC.

[soniclooking]

Yeah I had the same issue with VC. I tried to use it and the phone froze. Then i remember the built in voice dial that has the most annoying beep ever. I remembered you have to disable it before voice command can work. Works great now. I love having the bluetooth rf transmitter and saying "Play Coldplay" and it then beeps and the voice says "Coldplay". Is that what the Sync thing is in all the cars?

So all in all this a good update. Except for the gps let down.

BTW I tried out vz navigator today, without dialing *611 to activate. It works pretty much like a ppc2003 version of windows live search. The maps suck (by that i mean yellow land and white lines for roads for above), the voice prompt only says turn left, turn right, so no street names. Definitely not worth 9.99 a month. I'd be better off getting a bluetooth gps receiver.

Anyone else think that the bluetooth is way better than before? I have a bt stereo headset and a bt stereo rf transmitter and before the update I couldn't use one then disconnect and use the other with repairing. It was awesome when i turned on bluetooth and paired it. I didn't have to put 0000 passcode and all that junk. It just worked. Now when i use the headphones then disconnect, and i connect to bt rf transmitter with no problems. Flawless.

Another question or thought here....
I can go to walmart and send images to the kiosk and print them off, but i can't connect to a friend of mines pda and send that same picture. Is this some shady deal with kodak. hmmm.

[thundaar2000]

The same thing happened to me, but that was when I installed VC plus the announcement patch without even checking to see if all my settings were right. Anyway, I uninstalled everything and installed version 1.60.4622.0 with no fixes or anything and everything is perfect! Just had to check my settings... The usual make sure it is check to announce texts and the "high priority messages only" is unchecked. Set to announce calls under "phone". Also look under notifications and see if it's set on "only announce through bluetooth" because that's what happend to me at first and I thought it wasn't working. Hope it helps. Everything on this version works including confirmation over bluetooth headset. Oh yea, don't forget to disable voice speed dial in settings->personal or else your bluetooth headset button will activate that instead of VC.

Still no luck. I uninstalled all MSVC that was installed, (same version as yours too!) soft reset, re install, soft reset, checked all settings... still no announce or confirm.... maybe I should upgrade to a higher version somehow?

[DrHankZ]

maybe I should upgrade to a higher version somehow?

Do you work from Microsoft?

Will you be writing Version 1.7 for us all :D

I apologize for the comments - since I just bought VC
- I thought I had the latest version.

I have since found that I am WRONG - See this Thread (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=391262)

[soniclooking]

i had the problem when i installed it, i installed a patch and it would freeze. Also the voice speed dial would open, and that would mess up everything too.

so i disabled the voice speed dial.
uninstalled the patch.
reinstalled VC version 1.6.19209

Not sure what the difference is between this one and the one posted earlier, but it works great. Make sure the settings are right in the options under the VC settings in start>settings

[thundaar2000]

I un-installed again....
found VC version 1.6.19209 files and installed that instead of the 1.60.4622.0 version. All works fine now!!! I guess it was that older version that was giving me problems!

[deboy_001]

I un-installed again....
found VC version 1.6.19209 files and installed that instead of the 1.60.4622.0 version. All works fine now!!! I guess it was that older version that was giving me problems!

I still have my older version and just realized that it is giving me some problems. It's kinda tempermental about when it wants to work with my bluetooth or not. Anyway, seeing as I have already bought the only version that I know how to buy... Where can I find the upgrade to 1.6.19209? Thanks in advance

Geez, Never mind. I had been looking for an eternity with no luck, but of course I found it like 5 seconds after I posted. hate it when that happens. sorry.

[ndsoccer]

After flashing to the new upgrade. I went to change my data connection to default My Work to prevent my phone from auto connecting to vzw network. But i noticed that my changes weren't "sticking" and i went to the windows/startup menu and noticed that HTC_CM_Guardian file is still deleted and I cant figure out how to get my changes to stick

[crazysane]

I recently bought a Verizon XV6800 and have some issues with the 8GB microSD card not being read in its entirety. Can someone tell me a fix that actually works for this? I have read through this whole thread with no true solutions that I can make work. Maybe I just do not understand or maybe the files truly can't work on MY phone. Either way I have tried a few things and still only see 4GB of the 8 available. Which by the way SUXORS.

Here is the info on my phone and if any knowledged person wishes to help me with step by step instructions on using a ROM to make things work I am for trial and error attempts. Anyway send me a private message if you can and I would request it be someone who has been around a while to that of another newbie. Blind leading the blind does not do much for me.

I have tried the following items.

[BrianLayman]

I recently bought a Verizon XV6800 and have some issues with the 8GB microSD card not being read in its entirety. Can someone tell me a fix that actually works for this? I have read through this whole thread with no true solutions that I can make work. Maybe I just do not understand or maybe the files truly can't work on MY phone. Either way I have tried a few things and still only see 4GB of the 8 available. Which by the way SUXORS.

Here is the info on my phone and if any knowledged person wishes to help me with step by step instructions on using a ROM to make things work I am for trial and error attempts. Anyway send me a private message if you can and I would request it be someone who has been around a while to that of another newbie. Blind leading the blind does not do much for me.

I have tried the following items.
I'm guessing that you intended this request to be on another thread, since this thread is about the Verizon update - a totally different subject. You could post a reply to another thread, such as the one with this post in it that has step by step instructions http://forum.ppcgeeks.com/showpost.php?p=163833&postcount=19 or you could, and probably should, create a new thread for your specific issues. You might bet a better response, because some ppl won't respond to a post they consider to be off topic.

With your next post about this, do include the phone information, including whether or not you have replaced the phone ROM with a new one. You forgot to include that info here. However, as I understand things, it should be irrelevant. In that post, please clarify that you followed the steps in post #19 referenced above. That would help us know if you missed something simple. For all we know you perhaps opened the cab files on the PC instead of the phone, or copied them to the phone, but never opened them using the phone's file explorer. Attaching the CABS here doesn't tell us what you did with them when you "tried" them. We have no way of gauging level your expertise.

Also the duration of a persons membership here and their number of posts are irrelevant. You want to talk to someone who has a working 8gb card. You just told all the people who know the answer, but haven't posted before that you really don't care to hear what they have to say. Which by the way SUXORS.

Hope you find the answer soon.

[Skywing]

SDHC.777.cab ought to do it. (Remember to install it to the device and not the storage card, for obvious reasons.)

If you install SDHC.cab as opposed to SDHC.777.cab, you'll be able to see SDHC cards, but only the first 4GB of them.

[Paul in Maryland]

I recently bought a Verizon XV6800 and have some issues with the 8GB microSD card not being read in its entirety. Can someone tell me a fix that actually works for this? I have read through this whole thread with no true solutions that I can make work. Maybe I just do not understand or maybe the files truly can't work on MY phone. Either way I have tried a few things and still only see 4GB of the 8 available. Which by the way SUXORS.

Finally, someone reports the EXACT problem I have. Yes, I've installed SDHC.777.cab. It shouldn't even be necessary; several have reported that XV6800s bought in recent months (like crazysane's and mine) don't need it.

I have a hunch that despite the 4GB that our XV6800s are reporting, we're actually getting 8GB, as reported on My Computer. I load up my 8GB Sandisk Type 4 microSDHC card with photos, videos, .CABs, and backups, and I've never failed to see what I know I've installed. Then again, when the card is in the phone, My Computer doesn't tell you how much space it sees (VERY frustrating), with our without noChem2's massstorage plugin. I guess the only way to know for sure would be to remove the card from the XV6800, stick it in a card reader, and let My Computer report what it sees.

[dominick_7]

I downloaded the update. I hooked my phone to usb. i ran the install. It stops, my phone is now in i guess bootloader. so I sit and wait for vista to find the drivers. It finds them. I run install again. Now it starts to show progress. Finally it finishes. Yeah, I'm excited. Ok so now i want to check my balance using #225. I can't dial out. so i dial the *228 to program my phone. Still can't make calls. So i had to dial the #8899? number and talk to a nice guy and fixes the problem. Now phone works. Great.

So the only thing I see that is what i was expecting to get was the threaded sms. So i'm happy. As far as gps, If vz navigator can step up and provide me with the best possible gps program ever, i'm talking voice guided directions, voice activated searches, movie times, all the awesome stuff that Windows Live search does. that is when i will put down 9.99 a month for it. I think everyone is upset that something that is free to others is now $9.99 a month for us. Which i understand completely.

But if someone will use the software and let me know if it rocks out loud, I'll get it. I'm about to start a new job working for the cable company. I will have to drive a route repairing and installing cable. If i can have my phone give me directions to each house/apartment with voice guided directions, that would be awesome.

so anyone using vz nav!


Did you and/or ayone else notice a stronger phone radio strength as fr as not dropping calls? People reported there was a stronger radio in the SCH-i760s WM6.1 update and I just wondered if anyone noticed the same for the XV6800 for Verizon?