News - Official Verizon Software Update

[gc14]

Hello all,

Spoke with a few people today from UTStarcom and Verizon and got quite a bit of information about this long awaited update. Figured I'd share with you.

Called UTStarcom and spoke with Orlando, an engineer with them. He forwarded an internal memo to me (I can't post it on here, don't bother asking). I can tell you what was in it though.

The update is complete and was received by Verizon mid June.
Rom version number is 3.36.605.0. I know a lot of you are going to say "but we already have 3.56 blah blah", but those are Sprint updates and just because the version number is different, doesn't mean it's not newer.

The update addresses the following (straight from the memo):

-Update to Windows Mobile 6.1
-Update to EVDO Rev. A
-Update location based services (GPS)
-Update bluetooth profiles

Update is complete on their end, waiting on Verizon to give the go ahead. He said he would speak to his superiors and find more info and for me to call back Thursday (he gave me his extension).

I called Verizon and spoke to Wes, a WDTS Tier 3 Tech.

He confirmed what Orlando told me. The completed update was received by Verizon and has been in final testing. The last update he had was July 3, been in testing for a while with no problems. Projected release set for end of the month/early August.

He also told me it's been so long due to the fact that they decided to add WM 6.1 (previously it was only expected to address EVDO Rev A / GPS)

[serfboreds]

Fugg yes!

Now, does this potentially include aGPS? Will we get the lock times of Sprint? Any other potential goodies that could be included? Lastly, what will DCD be looking to extract to improve in his ROMs?

[a_lazy_dude]

Dude, you rule.

[thundaar2000]

Can't wait...
Now I have to check the vzw or utstar sites every day!

[serfboreds]

Can't wait...
Now I have to check the vzw or utstar sites every day!

Where would you look on Utstarcom if it were there? I know it is not yet but I can't even find anything close except this and it is a dead link here (http://www.utstar.com/pcd).

Link please...

[scrawnyb]

Where would you look on Utstarcom if it were there? I know it is not yet but I can't even find anything close except this and it is a dead link here (http://www.utstar.com/pcd).

Link please...


Perhaps... here???

http://handsets.utstar.com/view_phone_details.aspx?mcode=XV6800


Idk though, they didn't update the sprint one yet

[kashabrown]

Excellent news GC - hopefully it might add some more functionality to the GPS, although with your fix, it seems to work really well now!

Thanks for the info!

[serfboreds]

Perhaps... here???

http://handsets.utstar.com/view_phone_details.aspx?mcode=XV6800


Idk though, they didn't update the sprint one yet

Thanks, this is great. I am sure GC or DCD will have this dissected well before it hits Slorizon's website (or the UTStarcom one you posted), but it is exciting none the less.

[lllboredlll]

I'll be sure NOT to hold my breath waiting on their release :cool:

[calash]

So...did you happen to ask him about what it would take for an "Accidental" leak of the beta? Because I am sure a few of us would drop some money into an unknown Paypal account if such a thing were to happon.

:)

[elisherer]

OK... so I'm not trying to be a bad news guy, but I pretty much got the exact same story from UTStarcom back in April, but the release date was May.

When I called in May they said it was release to VZW and was up to them to do something with it. I never was able to get anyone at VZW to admit they had the update (in fact some really bad Help guy yesterday told me that a) any updates would come from the mantufacturer and not VZW, and b) anything, and I mean ANY application you add to the PPC is bad for it and will cause it to slow down. (He was a real piece of work, and when I asked what about things like Microsoft's Live Search which was MADE by MS for this type of phone, he said ANYTHING would basically bog it down and if it stopped VZW would not replace it... schmuck).

Anyway... the UTSarcom site is a good one... but where might we search for Verizon updates???

[serfboreds]

I am surprised anyone told you anything except "let me check another system....no, I don't see anything here....you may want to keep checking the website if they ever have updates for the phone," schmucks for real. Speaking to higher tier techs is probably more realistic information as they will be seeing memos that other people will not.

Anyways, here is the XV6800 page on vzw:

http://support.vzw.com/phones/index.html?p=3411

[gc14]

OK... so I'm not trying to be a bad news guy, but I pretty much got the exact same story from UTStarcom back in April, but the release date was May.

When I called in May they said it was release to VZW and was up to them to do something with it. I never was able to get anyone at VZW to admit they had the update (in fact some really bad Help guy yesterday told me that a) any updates would come from the mantufacturer and not VZW, and b) anything, and I mean ANY application you add to the PPC is bad for it and will cause it to slow down. (He was a real piece of work, and when I asked what about things like Microsoft's Live Search which was MADE by MS for this type of phone, he said ANYTHING would basically bog it down and if it stopped VZW would not replace it... schmuck).

If you read my post you'd see that I asked about what you're referring to. The "release date" for May was for EVDO Rev A & GPS. They decided to add WM 6.1 at the last minute, which prolonged it. The difference is, you never got anyone from Verizon to admit to it, while I have spoken to several people since May who all have confirmed it.

You guys have to trust that I know what I'm doing....this hasn't been my first time calling and I know what to ask. They pretty much know me by name now when I call lol. In fact, I don't hang up until I speak with someone who knows what they're talking about.

As far as the update itself goes, it will be on HTC's site when it's available, not UTStarcom's or Verizon's.

[elisherer]

OK thanks... I had been to that page many times before, but didn't know that they might post anything like a ROM update there.

We'll see....

And yes, senior techs are probably better... just didn't have the time to wait yesterday.

[serfboreds]

As far as the update itself goes, it will be on HTC's site when it's available, not UTStarcom's or Verizon's.

Do you have a link for where you would look for this upgrade on HTC.com? I know you and DCD will be releasing ROMs before I find it but curiosity reigns supreme.

This is what I found but I don't think this is anything more than a marketing page:

http://tytnseries.htc.com/htctytn.html

[760hacker]

http://www.htcamerica.net/support/support-product.html

It will be posted on this site under the appropriate phone. Since there have not been any updates for VZW you won't find the xv6800. Correct me if I am wrong GC.

[gc14]

Do you have a link for where you would look for this upgrade on HTC.com? I know you and DCD will be releasing ROMs before I find it but curiosity reigns supreme.

This is what I found but I don't think this is anything more than a marketing page:

http://tytnseries.htc.com/htctytn.html

First, that link is for the TyTN, not the Titan. 2 Different phones. The TyTN is actually the HTC Hermes, as the TyTN II is the HTC Kaiser.

Second, when it's available you'll be able to find it here:

http://www.htc.com/us/FAQ_Detail.aspx?p_id=82&act=faq&cat=268

except when it's released, there'll be an icon next to "Tips & Tricks" called "Software Download" similar to the Sprint Mogul page located here http://www.htc.com/us/FAQ_Detail.aspx?p_id=75&act=faq&cat=268

[serfboreds]

First, that link is for the TyTN, not the Titan. 2 Different phones. The TyTN is actually the HTC Hermes, as the TyTN II is the HTC Kaiser.

Second, when it's available you'll be able to find it here:

http://www.htc.com/us/FAQ_Detail.aspx?p_id=82&act=faq&cat=268

except when it's released, there'll be an icon next to "Tips & Tricks" called "Software Download" similar to the Sprint Mogul page located here http://www.htc.com/us/FAQ_Detail.aspx?p_id=75&act=faq&cat=268

Thanks, thats the link I was looking for. You are one resourceful dude GC.

Do you work in the phone industry?

[gc14]

Do you work in the phone industry?

Nope. Computer Engineer specialized in Embedded Systems Design :D

[scotcha12345]

Maybe this seems a bit off subject, but why would a company with proprietary information share there potential release dates and internal memos with a guy that calls in a lot for tech support?

Hope that doesnt sound rude, its more me just being inquisitive. Essentially, how do you manage to be seen as someone worth sharing that information with?

[gc14]

Maybe this seems a bit off subject, but why would a company with proprietary information share there potential release dates and internal memos with a guy that calls in a lot for tech support?

Hope that doesnt sound rude, its more me just being inquisitive. Essentially, how do you manage to be seen as someone worth sharing that information with?

It's all about how you sell it man.

If you call in and act like some goof who doesn't know what they're talking about, they'll treat you like a goof who doesn't know what they're talking about.

When I call, I am very harsh and let them know I'm serious about wanting to know what the CHRIST is going on with an update for my "broken" phone. I REFUSE to get off the phone until I receive answers. When I finally find someone who isn't a moron, I then speak with them in a way that not only lets them know they can't just brush me off, but also shows that I know what I'm talking about.

[parcou]

Maybe this seems a bit off subject, but why would a company with proprietary information share there potential release dates and internal memos with a guy that calls in a lot for tech support?

Hope that doesnt sound rude, its more me just being inquisitive. Essentially, how do you manage to be seen as someone worth sharing that information with?

I agree GC. I am a Systems Tech Engineer for a well known billion dollar company you all know if I said the name and I can get info tech to tech easily it is all how you sell yourself and the confidence you display in what you are talking about. Inside information is always going back & forth...the idea is networking and if this guy is what he says he is or can do what he says he can do...I may need his/her down the road...

[gc14]

Lol and let's be real for second. While it may be internal information, we're not talking about classified DoD information here. We're talking about release info for a pda phone firmware upgrade :D

[760hacker]

OK just for personal gratification, I decided to do some re-con on my own. I followed GC's footsteps calling UTstarcom and VZW Tier3. I spoke to very knowledgeable people at both places about this update. They confirmed the following

WM 6.1
EVDO Rev.a
GPS
Bluetooth Dial-up function

UTStarcom verified that VZW has the software and when i spoke with VZW they confirmed they had it in testing but did not have a defininte date. Because it has been pushed back multiple times they would not give a date but said it is "likely" to be released by end of July.

So it looks like we may actually get something! When...we'll see!:)

[gc14]

Sounds like everything I reported. Did you doubt me? lol

[760hacker]

Sounds like everything I reported. Did you doubt me? lol

Never doubted you GC just personal gratification!;)

[scotcha12345]

I think I need to change my approach when speaking with Verizon. It's always unnecessarily polite, as if I would hurt their feelings if I don't get my new A-key immediately or a DMU reset.

Also good point about it not being Classified Government info.

Thanks for the updates, I'm excited to potentially flash my phone with an update from Verizon that works alright...enjoy it for 15 minutes, then reflash to DCD's which works wonderfully

[Cycomachead]

GC. Thanks for all your hard work. Wow how much time do you spend on the phone?

[Paul in Maryland]

They confirmed the following

WM 6.1
EVDO Rev.a
GPS
Bluetooth Dial-up function


So we XV6800 users are slated to get readily accessible GPS that we'll be free to use with any GPS app?

If true, what does this bode for VZW's $10-a-month (and $3-a-day) Navigator? I predict they'll lower the price to maintain some semblance of value added.

[dcd1182]

So we XV6800 users are slated to get readily accessible GPS that we'll be free to use with any GPS app?

If true, what does this bode for VZW's $10-a-month (and $3-a-day) Navigator? I predict they'll lower the price to maintain some semblance of value added.

Sprint still charges $10/mo for Sprint Navigator, although the phone is now able to use alternatives.

[thundaar2000]

So we XV6800 users are slated to get readily accessible GPS that we'll be free to use with any GPS app?

If true, what does this bode for VZW's $10-a-month (and $3-a-day) Navigator? I predict they'll lower the price to maintain some semblance of value added.

LOL I was told I couldn't get the Navigator on my 6800. Only phons with GIN could get that...:)

[Cycomachead]

So we XV6800 users are slated to get readily accessible GPS that we'll be free to use with any GPS app?

If true, what does this bode for VZW's $10-a-month (and $3-a-day) Navigator? I predict they'll lower the price to maintain some semblance of value added.

Well who knows what they'll do. But it does mean the GPS will be functional and supported - if limited. But hey we've got GC and DCD and all their help. :D

[c@rL0$]

If they are coming out with this release by the end of the month early August wouldn't they have a new order of phones with the the new firmware on it? Or at least some refurbished phones too?

What I'm trying to say is why not return our phones and hope to get a newer version. Or at least something new to start the ROM flashing process again.

[gc14]

If they are coming out with this release by the end of the month early August wouldn't they have a new order of phones with the the new firmware on it? Or at least some refurbished phones too?

What I'm trying to say is why not return our phones and hope to get a newer version. Or at least something new to start the ROM flashing process again.

Once the update is released, all new phones and refurbished phones will be flashed to the updated firmware. Sprint is the same way. If you go to the Sprint store right now and buy a brand new Mogul, it will have 3.35 on it.

There's really no point in returning our phones as we can just flash to the updated firmware once it's released (if you want to use the official firmware)

[c@rL0$]

Once the update is released, all new phones and refurbished phones will be flashed to the updated firmware. Sprint is the same way. If you go to the Sprint store right now and buy a brand new Mogul, it will have 3.35 on it.

There's really no point in returning our phones as we can just flash to the updated firmware once it's released (if you want to use the official firmware)

The reason why I mentioned the returning of our phones are due to some issues that are currently present on our phones. Like the hardware keyboard and so on. It would be nice to have a clean phone with no issues before we install a new ROM.

By the way would you happen to know if the GPS in this new firmware is available via VZ Navigator (DATA) or will it have the proper drivers so we can uses third party applications such as TOM TOM?

[mkenny2]

I do not think I will upgrade it until DCD and GC have their way with it. Knowing Verizon they are still going to lock up alot of features on the phone. I hate Verizon because of that but oh well....

[gc14]

By the way would you happen to know if the GPS in this new firmware is available via VZ Navigator (DATA) or will it have the proper drivers so we can uses third party applications such as TOM TOM?

Details are still unknown. Knowing Verizon, my best guess though would be that they are going to want customers to use VZ Navigator only. The hope is that once they enable location based services for VZ Navigator through the firmware update, that we're able to analyze it and extract the PDE location server (aGPS) that they use, allowing us to add it to custom firmware. Once that happens, Verizon customers will be able to use all third party GPS apps, but utilize the PDE location server just as Sprint does. Time will only tell.

Also, mkenny2, I see you're using Arcsoft 5.0.31.19. You are aware there's an updated version I created (5.0.31.25) that fixes some issues with 5.0.31.19 right?

[mkenny2]

I just saw a few hours ago. I have never done any regedits so it will be new for me....waiting till I get home from work in case I mess up.

[gc14]

I just saw a few hours ago. I have never done any regedits so it will be new for me....waiting till I get home from work in case I mess up.

Regedits? No regedits are necessary. You just uninstall 5.0.31.19 and install 5.0.31.25 cab. That's it.

[aguas]

is it known yet (or just assumed) if they are going to have true aGPS servers? or is it still going to be unassisted?

[gc14]

is it known yet (or just assumed) if they are going to have true aGPS servers? or is it still going to be unassisted?

It is not known yet.

[Cycomachead]

HowardForums is reporting the i760 has got it's WM6.1 update. Anyone know what's in it? I'll try and go back and get the link.

[Cycomachead]

So here's the link:
http://www.howardforums.com/showthread.php?t=1399214&page=1&pp=15

However, the update was pulled due to bad drivers, but there is a mirror in the second post. Don't know if parts will be useful to you guys...

[760hacker]

The i-760 doesn't even have a GPS chip so.... And for those who are looking you can still download it! The upgrade for this includes

Microsoft Windows Mobile 6.1
Popular features for WM6.1 include, threaded SMS, Domain Enrollment, and updated “Vista” looks.
Applied, several Bluetooth improvements (updated BT DUN profile, improved scanning)
Applied, support for YouTube videos
Applied, Qualcomm patch
Fixed, memory leakage by replacing POOM API
Fixed, notification malfunction under certain conditions
Fixed, certain conditions prevented delivery of MMS

download it here http://www.samsung.com/us/i760/windowsupgrade

[gc14]

Alright so...

Called Orlando back today and again he was straight to the point.

He informed me the update was completely finished and out of testing. The reason why Verizon isn't releasing it now is that they're going to be releasing a new phone either the first or second week of August and they're waiting to release the update along with the new phone.

He took down my number and said he'd call if he had any news.

Now I'm going to call Verizon and hound them again cuz that's what gets results. Constant bitching = results.

[serfboreds]

Alright so...

Called Orlando back today and again he was straight to the point.

He informed me the update was completely finished and out of testing. The reason why Verizon isn't releasing it now is that they're going to be releasing a new phone either the first or second week of August and they're waiting to release the update along with the new phone.

He took down my number and said he'd call if he had any news.

Now I'm going to call Verizon and hound them again cuz that's what gets results. Constant bitching = results.

What is the new phone going to be? Diamond?

[gc14]

What is the new phone going to be? Diamond?

Haha no way. I have no idea what it's going to be. Probably isn't even a smartphone, but that's how Verizon operates.

[dan0matic]

Would it help if we said, "please"

Dan

[serfboreds]

Haha no way. I have no idea what it's going to be. Probably isn't even a smartphone, but that's how Verizon operates.

I don't want the diamond, but thought why would they need to release this with another phone unless the release had some bearing on the new phone ... Verizon is so stupid. You have to wonder why we should wait until the "Chocolate Chip with sprinkles" phone by LG can be released. If it weren't for the cell coverage Verizon has for my area I would be outta there.

My friend can't even get good reception on the golf course with Sprint. No Go.

[Zenoran]

Haha no way. I have no idea what it's going to be. Probably isn't even a smartphone, but that's how Verizon operates.

That makes *0* sense why they would be holding back an update because of an unrelated device launch?

But as you said, that's how Verizon operates... ;) I've learned not to expect much from them.


On the note of aGPS? I sure as hell hope they've included aGPS or their navigation software will be POINTLESS. It takes me about 5 minutes to get a lock in my area, they can't expect customers to pay for a service that crappy.

[gc14]

On the note of aGPS? I sure as hell hope they've included aGPS or their navigation software will be POINTLESS. It takes me about 5 minutes to get a lock in my area, they can't expect customers to pay for a service that crappy.

Oh no...they most definitely use aGPS for their location based services. The question is whether they use a PDE server with standard protocols, or proprietary means which only works with their shitty VZNavigator. We'll be tearing it apart to find out once the update is released. First, we'll be looking to see if they use the standard which will be very easy to implement. If not, we'll have to take a very close look at how VZNavigator works and see if we can extract the information from it.

[thundaar2000]

Oh no...they most definitely use aGPS for their location based services.

Is this the aGPS that uses cell tower triangulation or is it the one that uses satellites like a real GPS would??
I use inav with an external antenna, will this replace my ext antenna?

[c@rL0$]

Well the I760 got an official Windows Mobile 6.1 update from Verizon. The update for the XV6800 might be near.

[Les Wilson]

Damn, guess I am going to have to take the plunge and upgrade my rom with DCD's kittchen and radio - am tired of waiting. Anyway, if I upgrade the rom now and later were to decide to try the VZW upgrade, would I have to relock my phone/downgrade to it's present rom/radio before doing the VZW upgrade? I realize I probably wouldn't want to go back anyway but inquiring minds want to know :-)

Les Wilson
VZW 6800 Stock
(But not for long)

[Cycomachead]

Is this the aGPS that uses cell tower triangulation or is it the one that uses satellites like a real GPS would??
I use inav with an external antenna, will this replace my ext antenna?

Your ext. antenna would likely give better coverage.

aGPS is a combo of cell towers, a remote server, and a real GPS.

[santisurf]

Nope. Computer Engineer specialized in Embedded Systems Design :D

haha i need a job...!

[Zenoran]

I can't wait for this update to come out... Verizon may be slow but they don't typically release stuff that is crap. I am very interested to see their take on the whole wm6.1 thing... Although frustrated in anticipation, I am always envious of the thought-out and productive approach vs. latest and greatest but may not work to its fullest one.

[tcolling]

This will be one of the most widely-anticipated software updates ever from Verizon. I remember when they released the sch-i730 upgrade, and it was much the same except that somehow a pre-release version leaked out and many of us were unofficial gamma testers for it.

- Tim

[ookami007]

If you've already upgraded your rom with various rom sets available (for the GPS), what would be the correct procedure to get your phone to a point where you could receive the Verizon upgrade when it comes out?

[calash]

I don't think you will have to do much, if anything. Just run the Verizon update and you should be good.

You could go through the steps of downgrading the SPL, but I am not sure if it would be necessary.

[serfboreds]

If you've already upgraded your rom with various rom sets available (for the GPS), what would be the correct procedure to get your phone to a point where you could receive the Verizon upgrade when it comes out?

You should be good as is to flash when/if it is ever released. Bootloader 2.40 and 2.47 should both work fine to flash it. You shouldn't need to do any changes other than backing up.

[mkenny2]

If you've already upgraded your rom with various rom sets available (for the GPS), what would be the correct procedure to get your phone to a point where you could receive the Verizon upgrade when it comes out?

Verizon is still going to cripple things. I would suggest not upgrading. Wait until DCD has time to extract the agps info and other updates to create a truly powerful rom. I do not trust Verizon they are greedy bastards.

[serfboreds]

Verizon is still going to cripple things. I would suggest not upgrading. Wait until DCD has time to extract the agps info and other updates to create a truly powerful rom. I do not trust Verizon they are greedy bastards.

I will upgrade for a minute just to say I did.

[Big Dawg 23]

I am with serfboreds. I will Flash to see what it has to offer. My Boss has a mogul and I just walked him thru going to 3.56. I like the task manager that DCD doesnt have in his. Dont get me wrong DCD's are the bomb. After him and GC14 have they with it I will flash again.

[BK111968]

Haha - the "chocolate chips with sprinkles by LG" comment almost made me spit my drink out my nose.

Knowing Slorizon it will another phone that plays music only since for them that alone is a big thing.

Just impatient for the new release so I can install MSVC 1.6 and be happy with this device until the Touch Pro comes out.

[gc14]

Well...

I can now tell all of you without going into details, I know as a fact, that this update DOES exist.

[mkenny2]

Well...

I can now tell all of you without going into details, I know as a fact, that this update DOES exist.

hmmm.....Did someone possibly get your hands on it?.....hmmm

[azclown]

I wonder??? ;)

[calash]

Very good news. Hypothetically speaking, would such an update bring any theoretical GPS updates in line with the results seen from other companies?


In theory...of course ;)

[760hacker]

GC, sounds to me like we should stay tuned here as we may see a little suprise possibly just maybe??;)

[HayireII]

Now we all have to watch gc14's sig for stealth changes to his Titan software......

[Zenoran]

GC, sounds to me like we should stay tuned here as we may see a little suprise possibly just maybe??;)

ya right... gc wouldn't leak a rom even if he had it.. he'd most-definitely keep it to the "special" super kool kids until it's released :P

[s10onn2o]

i know what your talking about gc lol

[azclown]

ya right... gc wouldn't leak a rom even if he had it.. he'd most-definitely keep it to the "special" super kool kids until it's released :P

Hey whats that supposed to mean..... I was called special... just didn't know it was cuz I rode the short bus..... :D

[Big Dawg 23]

I had to call tech support today and asked about the ROM update. They actual acknowledged that it was in testing(I was shocked).

[glynch]

I guess that was just a tease yesterday.....lol

[gc14]

I guess that was just a tease yesterday.....lol

What was a tease?

[glynch]

I know I had thought you had something up your sleeve regarding the impending Verizon release.

I just want to say, I am new to the forums and really appreciate all of the work you, DCD and everyone put into this!!!! Greatly appreciated!

[gc14]

I know I had thought you had something up your sleeve regarding the impending Verizon release.

I just want to say, I am new to the forums and really appreciate all of the work you, DCD and everyone put into this!!!! Greatly appreciated!

That wasn't a tease....I was just stating that I knew it was real. If you want a tease, I can give you a tease...lol ;)

http://www.cinconet.org/screenshots/tease/tease.jpg

[760hacker]

GC, That is just cruel!:mad: I know you and DCD are putting that to good use!

[mrfurby2u]

I would classify that as a bit more than a tease ;)

[Zenoran]

That wasn't a tease....I was just stating that I knew it was real. If you want a tease, I can give you a tease...lol ;)



wow that's just bein an a$$hole ;)

And with that, I rest my case!!


I can see vzw bein' anal abt releasing that but yer one of us dude. Why wouldn't you slap that on a public fileserver somewhere and plead ignorance? Geeze.

[dcd1182]

GC, That is just cruel!:mad: I know you and DCD are putting that to good use!

i have nothing to do with this.

[_Mac_]

My prediction is that the verizon update will be in one of these two places:



http://216.139.227.226/RUU_TITAN_VZW_WWE_3.56.605.1_RS_TITAN_3.37.71_OM_V ZW_Ship.exe

http://216.139.227.226/verizon/RUU_TITAN_VZW_WWE_3.56.605.1_RS_TITAN_3.37.71_OM_V ZW_Ship.exe

I'll just keep refreshing the offical page to download.... http://www.htc.com/us/FAQ_Detail.aspx?p_id=82&act=faq&cat=268

[kdj67f]

Ok, now I AM excited!

I am crossing my fingers for Agps settings!

[froader]

That's incredible!!
Are we going to be able to play with this sooooon?

[Cycomachead]

That wasn't a tease....I was just stating that I knew it was real. If you want a tease, I can give you a tease...lol ;)

http://www.cinconet.org/screenshots/tease/tease.jpg

Real nice! >:(

Hmm can't wait! WHat you need to do is upload it to a private web server then transfer it somewhere public using a remote computer who's IP isn't linked to you (like an Apple store). Then they can't find you (well it'd be really really hard to finger print the Apple store)- not they ever would.

[Cycomachead]

Also is it using radio 3.37, but based on the 3.56 rom? Is it a verizoned 3.56 or do they have something else? (You can say, but I won't force you until Aug 15)

[SteveNYC]

GC, you have got to be kidding me. :eek: That's not a tease... that's just wrong :p

Come on now, give us some of that new car smell.

What's it like? What does it do? Where's the play by play. You're KILLING ME!!!

[SteveNYC]

i have nothing to do with this.Don't you ever say that again. :D You're scaring the children.

If it weren't for you, we'd all be buying iPhones at this point (ok, not really). We need you to have everything to do with this.

Oh man, can't wait to hear this one.

It shouldn't take too long to find out if the aGPS server address is in there.

[x51]

I wonder if the Techs could get there hands on it... One of my friends works there as a tech.... I also know a store manager.. I dont know how tight they lock this stuff up though....

[N!njaDuck]

Any update on this release?

[glynch]

Damn GC, you really are a tease! I knew it!:D

[madsuse]

Cant wait to see what this brings to us Verizon lackies.:cool:

[Cycomachead]

Don't you ever say that again. :D You're scaring the children.

If it weren't for you, we'd all be buying iPhones at this point (ok, not really). We need you to have everything to do with this.

Well, I'd very likely still have my xv6800, but the work of people on this forum has made my experience substantially better. Though there are time the iPhone seems nice.

[serfboreds]

Well, I'd very likely still have my xv6800, but the work of people on this forum has made my experience substantially better. Though there are time the iPhone seems nice.

Just get an iPod if you want that look, but the TouchPro will do more with the same effect aesthetically. If your needs are fulfilled with the iPhone, you don't need a Titan or TouchPro.

[pmatthewsatiug]

Does anyone know if the new release will support encrypting the storage card? Or is that approach just a bad idea?

[deeznuts2]

Does anyone know if the new release will support encrypting the storage card? Or is that approach just a bad idea?

That feature is already available on the current [stock] rom....look under "settings" -> "system" for "encryption"

It will encrypt files on your storage card, only readable on your device

[scrawnyb]

Does anyone know if the new release will support encrypting the storage card? Or is that approach just a bad idea?

Just be careful, I remember someone saying that once you flash, if you have encrypted files on the storage card, you will lose them or something. You might want to search around or ask someone before enabling encryption on the storage card.

[Cycomachead]

Just get an iPod if you want that look, but the TouchPro will do more with the same effect aesthetically. If your needs are fulfilled with the iPhone, you don't need a Titan or TouchPro.
Well, I know my options and have thought them all out. Unfortunately, I need mobile document editing which the iPhone doesn't support. I could go on for a very long time about what I want a why...

Now back on topic: Anyone have any news maybe of that unspecified phone?

[worthingtonmedic38]

That feature is already available on the current [stock] rom....look under "settings" -> "system" for "encryption"

It will encrypt files on your storage card, only readable on your device

I think what he's asking is will WM6.1 support this feature when Verizon releases it. WM6 stock Roms support encryption but to date I don't believe there is a WM6.1 ROM that does.

[glynch]

That wasn't a tease....I was just stating that I knew it was real. If you want a tease, I can give you a tease...lol


Just wondering why you blanked out the host name and IP, it's not like anyone would try to get to it:rolleyes:

[jraggio]

Just wondering why you blanked out the host name and IP, it's not like anyone would try to get to it:rolleyes:

I think I might be tempted. The fact that it's out of testing now makes me willing to give it a try. I haven't had the guts to use one of the custom roms yet since I've read through too many 90 page forum threads with conflicting info and some problems etc. I figured I'd be wimpy and wait for the official one. I've never flashed a phone yet and flashing my PSP with offical roms always makes me nervous.

When I bought my phone in Dec. they told me that they were going to upgrade it so I kept hope. Then I saw the Sprint ROM and got excited, but once Verizon released something for the i760 I really got psyched.

Now this thread has put me over the top. I hope it gets leaked or officially posted soon. You guys think this is the best forum / thread to find out when either of those things happens?

Hey DC, how about a bone here?

Thanks,
John

[mrmadness]

So GC, apparently we can't get you to leak the rom for whatever reason (I'm assuming you promised the guy it would stay safe). So, would it be unreasonable to expect a new custom to be available on, say, the same day Verizon released the official rom? Or maybe an anonymous donation of a stripped-down-to-bare-nothings-and-repacked-into-a-convenient-kitchen file? After all, it appears that somebody has access to this "non-existant" update and it would only make sense that ALL communities can benefit from this wonderful news on the same day. Right???

[aguas]

So GC, apparently we can't get you to leak the rom for whatever reason (I'm assuming you promised the guy it would stay safe). So, would it be unreasonable to expect a new custom to be available on, say, the same day Verizon released the official rom? Or maybe an anonymous donation of a stripped-down-to-bare-nothings-and-repacked-into-a-convenient-kitchen file? After all, it appears that somebody has access to this "non-existant" update and it would only make sense that ALL communities can benefit from this wonderful news on the same day. Right???

well assuming GC has the legit update, i expect that he probably passed it along to DCD by now, and they are probably implementing a lot of the drivers as we speak that were in the update. now that i think about it, it could be the reason 3.2.4 has some technical difficulties... :p just speculating;)

[dan0matic]

How much longer must we grovel for this release?

Dan

[gc14]

I'm not going to double post so please see this post

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=2467338&postcount=14

[mrfurby2u]

GC,

You may have been sworn to secrecy but if possible can you check the DDI.DLL in the rom for the following exports/dependencies? These seem to be the key to getting functional OpenGL ES/Direct3D drivers per http://www.htcclassaction.org/driverprogress.php#update_20080729_1

* DDI.DLL exports UpdateByCopy function
* DDI.DLL exports UpdateByFlip function
* DDI.DLL depends on DISPTOOLS.DLL

Thanks!

[gc14]

GC,

You may have been sworn to secrecy but if possible can you check the DDI.DLL in the rom for the following exports/dependencies? These seem to be the key to getting functional OpenGL ES/Direct3D drivers per http://www.htcclassaction.org/driverprogress.php#update_20080729_1

* DDI.DLL exports UpdateByCopy function
* DDI.DLL exports UpdateByFlip function
* DDI.DLL depends on DISPTOOLS.DLL

Thanks!

// Report generated by PE Explorer 1.99 (http://www.heaventools.com)
// File name: C:\Users\GCincotta\Desktop\ddi.dll
// Created : 31.07.2008 11:21
// Type : Exports


// DrvEnableDriver; Index 1; Information not available

// HALInit; Index 2; Information not available

// Generated by PE Explorer 1.99 (http://www.heaventools.com)
// File name: C:\Users\GCincotta\Desktop\ddi.dll
// Created : 31.07.2008 11:21
// Type : Dependencies


coredll.dll Path not Found.
msm_clk.dll Path not Found.
msm_time.dll Path not Found.
trstai_extension.dll Path not Found.
wce_rex.dll Path not Found.
wce_tramp.dll Path not Found.

[mrfurby2u]

Thanks GC!

[mrmadness]

I'm not going to double post so please see this post

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=2467338&postcount=14

Ok GC, I've figured for a while now that you were sworn to secrecy on this so I won't ask to leak the file. However, being in touch with your techies like you are, what about a date for the file? That's not really secret. The in-store folks know about all this stuff 1 1/2 to 2 weeks in advance so they can be ready for it. It's gotta be less than that far away and I'm pretty sure they have a date nailed down by now for their major August releases. So how about a countdown or something like that to keep us alive here?

[jeep14]

I love how Sprint will get the Diamond before we even sniff a GPS ROM.
http://www.engadget.com/2008/08/02/htc-report-says-touch-diamond-is-coming-to-sprint-this-month/

[Hypeo]

I love how Sprint will get the Diamond before we even sniff a GPS ROM.
http://www.engadget.com/2008/08/02/htc-report-says-touch-diamond-is-coming-to-sprint-this-month/

Switch!!! it seems like VZW dont about their phones!! At least sprint's customer service is getting way better and they work with you..

[deeznuts2]

I love how Sprint will get the Diamond before we even sniff a GPS ROM.
http://www.engadget.com/2008/08/02/htc-report-says-touch-diamond-is-coming-to-sprint-this-month/

And this has what to do with a VZW update?

Dont like it? Switch to sprint. At least their early cancellation fees have been found to be illegal. If you dont like sprint, you can at least come back to VZW (which you will)

[jeep14]

I am merely making an observation after i spent an hour on the phone trying to find out about the software update. I just think that it is a tad bit ridiculous that they are releasing the next round of HTC phones before we even get our capabilities

[deeznuts2]

I am merely making an observation after i spent an hour on the phone trying to find out about the software update. I just think that it is a tad bit ridiculous that they are releasing the next round of HTC phones before we even get our capabilities

WM 6.1 is relatively new - VZW has waited to offer their update so that they could incorporate WM 6.1 into the update

Makes sense to me

[jeep14]

I am with Verizon...I get it...you are a VZW fanboy. I am a functionality fanboy. It is utterly fantastic what various individuals are able to do with our phones. But! When I purchased the phone...I purchased not only because it seemed like a great phone...but with the advice of Customer Service and store managers they told me to go with this one over the I760 because an update would be available to not only unlock GPS but REV-A as well....that was in late December....it is now August...no official Rev-A or GPS...am I upset...I certainly am....have updates been made available by every other carrier who has the Titan...yes. My issue is I am on Verizon for corporate purposes and the premium that I do pay is out of necessity. At the end of the day all of us spend plenty of money on data every month and anyone carrying the XV6800 must acknowledge that it is in fact VZW's most expensive phone...in turn I expect VZW to support the phone and follow-up on what you can (as of right now) call empty promises.

[deeznuts2]

I am with Verizon...I get it...you are a VZW fanboy. I am a functionality fanboy. It is utterly fantastic what various individuals are able to do with our phones. But! When I purchased the phone...I purchased not only because it seemed like a great phone...but with the advice of Customer Service and store managers they told me to go with this one over the I760 because an update would be available to not only unlock GPS but REV-A as well....that was in late December....it is now August...no official Rev-A or GPS...am I upset...I certainly am....have updates been made available by every other carrier who has the Titan...yes. My issue is I am on Verizon for corporate purposes and the premium that I do pay is out of necessity. At the end of the day all of us spend plenty of money on data every month and anyone carrying the XV6800 must acknowledge that it is in fact VZW's most expensive phone...in turn I expect VZW to support the phone and follow-up on what you can (as of right now) call empty promises.

1) I dont know what being a fanboy has to do with anything

2) CS and store managers no NOTHING about software updates, except what they themselves read online from sites like this one. The fact they believed that the 6800 would get an update before the i760 demonstrates they complete lack of knowledge (i760 already got the update). I dont know why people continue to believe that VZW would "unlock" GPS features when they have a perfectly usable navigation service that actually makes them money. Sure its better business sense for them to unlock it, but we all know from VZW's history, that they dont always follow good business practice.

3) IMHO, Rev-A is completely useless unless you tether your laptop or download music (maybe also if you spend a lot of time looking at full html sites instead of mobile versions). Visiting mobile.nytimes.com or other mobile sites on Rev-A is not going to make a noticeable difference. Maybe its just me but since activating Rev-A on my phone with dcd's rom, I could actually care less if I had it or not. Now since you are in the corporate world, it may make more sense for you, especially if you tether. But its not like the new "sliced bread" or anything.

I look at it this way - we are talking about an update for a MICROSOFT product. MS OSes suck - they are slow, vulnerable to viruses, etc and completely coded all wrong. VZW wanted to add WM 6.1 to their update and needed to test it themselves - that takes time. Without 6.1, I'm pretty confident we would have seen some sort of update months ago (namely Rev-A). I see it as quality control in its highest form. If it doesnt pass VZW's standards, it doesnt get released. Thats the price we pay for subscribing to their services. Sure I could have gone with Sprint - but all my friends have VZW so it costs me less overall (ie free mobile to mobile). I could have gone with Cingular (I refuse to call them AT&T) but they just lie and suck.

From the rumor mill, the update is done - tested and approved. Now to internally release it and then release it to the public. If its still not out by the end of August, THEN I would start complaining (or looking for a new phone).

In the meantime, do what I do, use dcd's rom to hold me over until the official verizon release. Depending on reviews, I'll either stay with dcd or go back to verizon's rom.

in turn I expect VZW to support the phone and follow-up on what you can (as of right now) call empty promises.

No where is it written that VZW has to support any phone via software updates

[Big Dawg 23]

With GC being told this is tied to a phone release. Any chance it is this phone which is supposed for Next Friday?

http://www.phonearena.com/htmls/Verizon-Wireless-Blitz-phone-pa_2793.html

I hope it is in the next two weeks. Verizon just replaced my 6800 so I am back to stock. Man does stock suck in a huge way... I miss threaded SMS/MMS and Rev A. I figured a few weeks is worth it to at least try the upgraded Stock ROM.

[mrmadness]

Uh oh, the natives are getting restless. GC, we need another sugar shock here! Guys, guys (and girls), relax. This is blowing way out of proportion and somebody's liable to shoot their eye out. So let's all put down our Red Ryders and take a deep breath. Here's a few points:
1) The update is almost out. Verizon may be sticky about how and when they release stuff, but they also are not stupid. They know places like here exist (i.e. the locked SPL to prevent flashing), and with that, they know that anything and everything about phone X is here. If there's an update finalized and they don't release it soon, there's blood to pay and they don't want that. So relax, it WILL come.
2)IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT THE NEW ROM COMES WITH! Haven't you figured this out by now? Come on. How many roms are there that were released by different companies and how many of those roms were retro'ed to work with Verizon? Why is it none of you think that as soon as they release this new rom that it won't be hashed, slashed, sliced, diced and minced into a nice new custom rom/kitchen kit? Verizon may take months to release a quality rom, but DCD and others take weeks to turn it to clay and mold their masterpieces. So chill. Get the new rom and hold out for a few more weeks. You'll get your GPS, REV A. and all the other functions that Sprint, Qwest, Alltell and many others have to offer.
3) Windows Mobile may be a Microsoft product, but how many of those little toys and gadgets you use on your phone have an HTC copyright or something of the like on it? Microsoft writes the OS, the phone company writes/buys the rest. Hence why some things work, and others don't.

And if all those points don't seem to convince you to settle down and relax, here's one more.

4) The XV6700/PPC6700/Apache. I have one, kitchened by PPCKitchen.org and guess what. It has everything that all of you are complaining about missing except 2 things: REV A. and GPS. And it's missing those ONLY because it's hardware incapable of doing them. And why do I have all the nifty gadgets, gizmos, bells and whistles? Because of way cool, awesome and determined guys like GC, DCD, No2Chem, Helmi_C, Luv2chill and about 100 others. I have what you want on a phone that's been discontinued for a long time now! And if I have all that on that phone, don't you think that your (and mine) precious Titan/XV6800/PPC6800/whatever phones won't get the same 5 star spa with a mud soak treatment?

So there's my soap box for this week. Basically, chill out everyone. I'm dead anxious too to get some new for my phone. But I don't care what Verizon gives us. I care what I get here and at PPCGeeks. This is the team I subscribe to because THEY'RE THE BEST and they take care of the little (and big) peoples. So, who's with me in waiting for the new Verizon kitchen?

[deeznuts2]

With GC being told this is tied to a phone release. Any chance it is this phone which is supposed for Next Friday?

http://www.phonearena.com/htmls/Verizon-Wireless-Blitz-phone-pa_2793.html

I hope it is in the next two weeks. Verizon just replaced my 6800 so I am back to stock. Man does stock suck in a huge way... I miss threaded SMS/MMS and Rev A. I figured a few weeks is worth it to at least try the upgraded Stock ROM.

thats one ugly phone :)

[Big Dawg 23]

I completely agree with you. The phone is very ugly.

[paulash]

Uh oh, the natives are getting restless. GC, we need another sugar shock here! Guys, guys (and girls), relax. This is blowing way out of proportion and somebody's liable to shoot their eye out. So let's all put down our Red Ryders and take a deep breath. Here's a few points:
1) The update is almost out. Verizon may be sticky about how and when they release stuff, but they also are not stupid. They know places like here exist (i.e. the locked SPL to prevent flashing), and with that, they know that anything and everything about phone X is here. If there's an update finalized and they don't release it soon, there's blood to pay and they don't want that. So relax, it WILL come.
2)IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT THE NEW ROM COMES WITH! Haven't you figured this out by now? Come on. How many roms are there that were released by different companies and how many of those roms were retro'ed to work with Verizon? Why is it none of you think that as soon as they release this new rom that it won't be hashed, slashed, sliced, diced and minced into a nice new custom rom/kitchen kit? Verizon may take months to release a quality rom, but DCD and others take weeks to turn it to clay and mold their masterpieces. So chill. Get the new rom and hold out for a few more weeks. You'll get your GPS, REV A. and all the other functions that Sprint, Qwest, Alltell and many others have to offer.
3) Windows Mobile may be a Microsoft product, but how many of those little toys and gadgets you use on your phone have an HTC copyright or something of the like on it? Microsoft writes the OS, the phone company writes/buys the rest. Hence why some things work, and others don't.

And if all those points don't seem to convince you to settle down and relax, here's one more.

4) The XV6700/PPC6700/Apache. I have one, kitchened by PPCKitchen.org and guess what. It has everything that all of you are complaining about missing except 2 things: REV A. and GPS. And it's missing those ONLY because it's hardware incapable of doing them. And why do I have all the nifty gadgets, gizmos, bells and whistles? Because of way cool, awesome and determined guys like GC, DCD, No2Chem, Helmi_C, Luv2chill and about 100 others. I have what you want on a phone that's been discontinued for a long time now! And if I have all that on that phone, don't you think that your (and mine) precious Titan/XV6800/PPC6800/whatever phones won't get the same 5 star spa with a mud soak treatment?

So there's my soap box for this week. Basically, chill out everyone. I'm dead anxious too to get some new for my phone. But I don't care what Verizon gives us. I care what I get here and at PPCGeeks. This is the team I subscribe to because THEY'RE THE BEST and they take care of the little (and big) peoples. So, who's with me in waiting for the new Verizon kitchen?

well said! a Verizon kitchen, now that's something to look forward to ;)

[tntopspin]

1) The update is almost out. Verizon may be sticky about how and when they release stuff, but they also are not stupid. They know places like here exist (i.e. the locked SPL to prevent flashing), and with that, they know that anything and everything about phone X is here. If there's an update finalized and they don't release it soon, there's blood to pay and they don't want that. So relax, it WILL come.
The truth is, however, that the Rev A/GPS updates were out for other phones for some time and VZW didn't care about XV6800 owners. The "waiting on 6.1" seems fishy. The truth is: VZW is slow, unresponsive, and has quite the cavalier attitude toward users. How long has the Sprint Rev A/6.0 update been out? Without DCD/No2Chem/et.al. VZW users would be FAR behind.

They don't respond to "blood to pay" in any fashion because of their network and their business base customers.

And yes, faster updates DO matter because phones are limited time devices. They neither last forever, nor are can they be indefinitely updated. As you mention your Apache/6700 has lots of features we'd wish for EXCEPT Rev A and GPS because of hardware limitations, which limits its usefulness and appeal to users. VZW WILL release newer, more capable phones than the XV6800 with features beyond the reach of the XV6800's hardware. Then, once again, folks like yourself can say... "Well, I've got a phone that can do all that EXCEPT......" Ya know, for what we pay VZW...... EXCEPT isn't acceptable.

Not to dis DCD and the others who do amazing things, the fact that hobbyists have found ways to mod the XV6800 JUST TO KEEP UP with updates already released by other carriers tells me VZW could have EASILY hired the talent to upgrade their phones, but ALWAYS lags behind other carriers BY CHOICE.

It speaks to a lack of respect for their customer base. Period. And I STRONGLY disagree with your assessment that we should keep quiet about it in forums of this nature. Yes, they read here, I'm sure..... and they should be berated REGULARLY for their lack of respect for us.

[orangeworx]

telus surely isn't doing its' part either.... still nothing from their end and somehow don't expect much either

[Paul in Maryland]

1)
3) IMHO, Rev-A is completely useless unless you tether your laptop or download music (maybe also if you spend a lot of time looking at full html sites instead of mobile versions).
I use my gmail on my XV6800. Often I'll forward an old message that has PDF, video, or photo attachments of 10 to 20 MB. If I had Rev-A, I could send (upload) the message nearly 10 times as fast.

[deeznuts2]

I use my gmail on my XV6800. Often I'll forward an old message that has PDF, video, or photo attachments of 10 to 20 MB. If I had Rev-A, I could send (upload) the message nearly 10 times as fast.

That may be an exception. But you wont be doing it 10x as fast....on average, it will be 3-4x as fast

[BK111968]

Seriously - I'm sick and tired of waiting for Verizon to release a ROM update BUT if it doesn't have as many issues as the Sprint version then I'm willing to wait for a couple of weeks. I've been reading a lot of post where the Sprint version has been released and then there are all sorts of issues. I'd rather flash a phone once instead of multiple flashes and having to re-load software all the time.

What I'm hoping is that it will fix the stupid issue with MSVC 1.6 not working properly on 6.0 since I use a headset all the time while driving.

Being said - has anyone found a true date yet or is it Aug 15th?

[Hypeo]

Seriously - I'm sick and tired of waiting for Verizon to release a ROM update BUT if it doesn't have as many issues as the Sprint version then I'm willing to wait for a couple of weeks. I've been reading a lot of post where the Sprint version has been released and then there are all sorts of issues. I'd rather flash a phone once instead of multiple flashes and having to re-load software all the time.

What I'm hoping is that it will fix the stupid issue with MSVC 1.6 not working properly on 6.0 since I use a headset all the time while driving.

Being said - has anyone found a true date yet or is it Aug 15th?


Your missing all the fun!!! even though we have a very good stable rom with DCD we are always going to be flashing new roms and testing them, and about MSVC 1.6 mine works like a champ. I even cooked it with DCD's kitchen and have no issues with it. you might have been miss informed. Not saying that Sprint's software is perfect but it could always be better.. just ask the guys here!!

[gc14]

You'll all get a laugh out of this one...

The ship rom that I first got has everything Verizon intended on releasing, EXCEPT VZNavigator. Yes that's right, they simply FORGOT to include it. They have since made an update to their ship rom, which includes VZNavigator, and it's now in testing. It looks like the release date has been again pushed back closer to the end of August.

[Zenoran]

You'll all get a laugh out of this one...

The ship rom that I first got has everything Verizon intended on releasing, EXCEPT VZNavigator. Yes that's right, they simply FORGOT to include it. They have since made an update to their ship rom, which includes VZNavigator, and it's now in testing. It looks like the release date has been again pushed back closer to the end of August.

uhhh.. how could they forget their money-motivator in the release? and they haven't even tested it yet? that means this is pushing a LOT later than august if they haven't even begun testing of their gps app.

time to get this one out of your mind kids

[gc14]

uhhh.. how could they forget their money-motivator in the release? and they haven't even tested it yet? that means this is pushing a LOT later than august if they haven't even begun testing of their gps app.

time to get this one out of your mind kids

No no...they've tested it. They just simply forgot to add the application as an OEM package.

[DrHankZ]

No no...they've tested it. They just simply forgot to add the application as an OEM package.

You seem to be well connected to Verizon.

When will you be getting the Beta Test Version ;)

[gc14]

You seem to be well connected to Verizon.

When will you be getting the Beta Test Version

It's not beta...it's ship. And I'll probably be getting the updated ship rom w/ VZNavigator any day now.

[DrHankZ]

It's not beta...it's ship. And I'll probably be getting the updated ship rom w/ VZNavigator any day now.

I thought you were predicting END of AUGUST
versus any day now :cool:

[BK111968]

Your missing all the fun!!! even though we have a very good stable rom with DCD we are always going to be flashing new roms and testing them, and about MSVC 1.6 mine works like a champ. I even cooked it with DCD's kitchen and have no issues with it. you might have been miss informed. Not saying that Sprint's software is perfect but it could always be better.. just ask the guys here!!

Tell me about it - I'd flash a custom ROM also but with my luck I'd brick this thing and it'll 20 hours to straighten it out.

hmmm - how could they forget VZNavigator, just hoping they can't block a third party app since I'm not subcribing to that service.

[Cycomachead]

You'll all get a laugh out of this one...

The ship rom that I first got has everything Verizon intended on releasing, EXCEPT VZNavigator. Yes that's right, they simply FORGOT to include it. They have since made an update to their ship rom, which includes VZNavigator, and it's now in testing. It looks like the release date has been again pushed back closer to the end of August.

You're killing me! But thanks for the update.

Can't say I'm surprised!!!!

[_Mac_]

Tell us some good news, like a GPS work around is in the works :)

[tntopspin]

You'll all get a laugh out of this one...

The ship rom that I first got has everything Verizon intended on releasing, EXCEPT VZNavigator. Yes that's right, they simply FORGOT to include it. They have since made an update to their ship rom, which includes VZNavigator, and it's now in testing. It looks like the release date has been again pushed back closer to the end of August.

Hmm. gc, I have a proposition for you. I'm sure you honorably agreed with your source not to release the "ship version" of the ROM. Since the original version you got was NOT the ship version, you could technically post.....er.....uh..... ah, dang it..... thousands of members here and I'm talking to the one with scruples. :D

Seriously, though, the R&D department at VZW must be staffed by Moe, Larry, and Curly. One must think SOMEONE during testing thought to drive home with navigation...... or what I'm really thinking was the R&D guy got the "ship ROM," flashed it, played with the new ROM for a few hours, shrugged, and flashed back to DCD 2.3.5 because it's a better ROM......and the GPS worked for him as he drove home. :cool:

[MrTek]

BTW - with the added VZ Navigator package, do we think it will also have the settings to make GPS function like it does on Sprint? IE the Network servers to assist with GPS.

[gc14]

I thought you were predicting END of AUGUST
versus any day now

If you read what I said....it cleary said the release would be pushed back to the end of august....and I would be getting it any day now...

[azclown]

hmmm - how could they forget VZNavigator, just hoping they can't block a third party app since I'm not subcribing to that service.

I would suspect that since we BOUGHT the hardware and currently OWN it, that intentionally blocking the use of the GPSone chipset would invite a Class Action lawsuit. Now, blocking the use of the AGPS server would be totally within their rights, since that is THEIR hardware...... Boy - I'd love to get my hands on that update.....

[mlittletn]

Will the bluetooth updates address issues with sound quality when using a headset (non ad2p)?

[deeznuts2]

I would suspect that since we BOUGHT the hardware and currently OWN it, that intentionally blocking the use of the GPSone chipset would invite a Class Action lawsuit. Now, blocking the use of the AGPS server would be totally within their rights, since that is THEIR hardware...... Boy - I'd love to get my hands on that update.....

What?

First off, the carrier is allowed to use or not use whatever hardware they want.

Second, I dont know what legal requirement you would stand on to file a class action lawsuit. The last one filed against verizon was a few years ago over BT, but that was because they misled consumers into thinking that some phones had certain BT capabilities.

VZW has done nothing to market the gpschipset, and except for those who visit sites like this or read FCC filings, most consumers will never know its even in there.

[Zenoran]

Verizon loves locking their phones down as much as possible in order to prevent you from getting any kind of free services instead of their pay ones. wm phones are like the only exception to this restrictive java-os bs they put on every other phone preventing u to even download your own games.

as far as they're concerned, a phone doesn't have gps unless it connects to their service and there's no way in hell they're going to market it otherwise... im honestly surprised they're releasing the unlocked gps functionality... im sure if there was a way to restrict it to just vznavigator they would.

[azclown]

What?

First off, the carrier is allowed to use or not use whatever hardware they want.

Second, I dont know what legal requirement you would stand on to file a class action lawsuit. The last one filed against verizon was a few years ago over BT, but that was because they misled consumers into thinking that some phones had certain BT capabilities.

VZW has done nothing to market the gpschipset, and except for those who visit sites like this or read FCC filings, most consumers will never know its even in there.

I disagree Deez - They can use or not use what THEY want, but(and I will try to find the precedent), they cannot LOCK the hardware of phones they do NOT own. I OWN this phone, I rent their service. If my phone has other capabilities, they do not have the right to disable my hardware just because they want to make me pay them to use it. Last I saw, GPS satelite signal was FREE to the public to use....

[jeep14]

Azclown...just a word of advice...your are not going to push your logic on him...i think he owns a couple hundred thousand shares of VZW. He is a VZW apologist.

What this comes down to is the way that they attempted to sell the phone when it first came out. They promoted this phone to have features....we know the phone has features and quite Frankly we are entitled to them as much as you may not think so deez.

I really don't want to argue about this anymore...I would just appreciate an official update at some point for VZW's most expensive phone....there are phones on "The Network" that are pure cheap junk and have this capability....I am pretty sure the people who already spend out the nose for data should have the functionality.

[deeznuts2]

Azclown...just a word of advice...your are not going to push your logic on him...i think he owns a couple hundred thousand shares of VZW. He is a VZW apologist.

What this comes down to is the way that they attempted to sell the phone when it first came out. They promoted this phone to have features....we know the phone has features and quite Frankly we are entitled to them as much as you may not think so deez.

I really don't want to argue about this anymore...I would just appreciate an official update at some point for VZW's most expensive phone....there are phones on "The Network" that are pure cheap junk and have this capability....I am pretty sure the people who already spend out the nose for data should have the functionality.

LOL

If you dont like it, start a class action lawsuit instead of complaining about it

You knew it was crippled, yet still bought the phone....take it up with VZW (good luck with that)

I'm still not sure what legal precedent you are standing on that says VZW has to unlock all the features of the phone's they offer...(other than "I own the phone" which, while true, should only allow YOU to unlock the phone AFTER you purchase it)

[tntopspin]

I disagree Deez - They can use or not use what THEY want, but(and I will try to find the precedent), they cannot LOCK the hardware of phones they do NOT own. I OWN this phone, I rent their service. If my phone has other capabilities, they do not have the right to disable my hardware just because they want to make me pay them to use it. Last I saw, GPS satelite signal was FREE to the public to use....

HTC markets the phone as having a GPS, but Verizon markets the GPS as being locked except to VZNavigator. That's quite legal AND, azclown, you AGREED to that fact when you signed your contract with VZW. File whatever lawsuit you wish, but VZW will point to your signature on a document that says you agree the GPS of your device cannot be used with VZW service except with VZNavigator.

Legally, you agreed to the crippled GPS. The V710/Bluetooth suit against VZW was related to misrepresentation by VZW in the first Bluetooth phones they marketed. They did cripple certain Bluetooth profiles, but they didn't have it in the contract. THAT was illegal.

If it's in the contact.... and the GPS "lockdown" is.... and you sign the contract, VZW laughs off your lawsuit threats AND might countersue you for whatever expense they incur in defending your failed lawsuit. Have fun with that.

[jeep14]

It's not just about GPS, it is more importantly Rev-A...yes it was mentioned that GPS would be available...all fine and well...it is also that the phone has not been updated for Rev-A. Now is the GPS important to me personally...yes. Is the phone important for Rev-A...yes...I download and upload a lot of documents so it truly is. At the end of the day it is merely a question of support.

[glynch]

Hey GC, how is the new radio? Any thoughts?

[gc14]

Been testing it for a bit....though I think I like 3.42.30 better. We'll see...

[ajm144k]

any other news on the new arcsoft mms for verizon + alltel??

im still using arcsoft 3.x since its all i can get to work, but like the way these new versions sound.

[nitro66215]

any other news on the new arcsoft mms for verizon + alltel??

im still using arcsoft 3.x since its all i can get to work, but like the way these new versions sound.

This version works great on my VZW XV6800.

Arcsoft MMS 5.0.31.25 (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=404345)

[gc14]

any other news on the new arcsoft mms for verizon + alltel??

im still using arcsoft 3.x since its all i can get to work, but like the way these new versions sound.

Let's keep all Arcsoft related stuff in the Arcsoft thread as to not get off topic. I'm assuming you're on Alltel though? Please respond in Arcsoft thread. Thanks.

[nitro66215]

Let's keep all Arcsoft related stuff in the Arcsoft thread as to not get off topic. I'm assuming you're on Alltel though? Please respond in Arcsoft thread. Thanks.
I knew that GC... Just was being helpful... and being a noob.... I wasn't about to try and correct somebody. :-D

[mrmadness]

HTC markets the phone as having a GPS, but Verizon markets the GPS as being locked except to VZNavigator. That's quite legal AND, azclown, you AGREED to that fact when you signed your contract with VZW. File whatever lawsuit you wish, but VZW will point to your signature on a document that says you agree the GPS of your device cannot be used with VZW service except with VZNavigator.

Legally, you agreed to the crippled GPS. The V710/Bluetooth suit against VZW was related to misrepresentation by VZW in the first Bluetooth phones they marketed. They did cripple certain Bluetooth profiles, but they didn't have it in the contract. THAT was illegal.

If it's in the contact.... and the GPS "lockdown" is.... and you sign the contract, VZW laughs off your lawsuit threats AND might countersue you for whatever expense they incur in defending your failed lawsuit. Have fun with that.

At what point here did everyone forget that it doesn't matter what Verizon releases, we will still get all the "unlocks" for our phones a couple of weeks afterwards? Does it matter if the new update still only supports VZNavigator? No. How long do you think it will take before somebody releases their own update after they've had a chance to see how a stock rom works the chipsets? All that Verizon is doing is releasing a hint book with a few addins. It may be only what they'll support since it's their release, but that doesn't matter. I'll make my phone MY PHONE and that's completely legal no matter what anyone thinks. So quit the bickering and await the official "release" of our phones from lockdown.

The truth is, however, that the Rev A/GPS updates were out for other phones for some time and VZW didn't care about XV6800 owners. The "waiting on 6.1" seems fishy. The truth is: VZW is slow, unresponsive, and has quite the cavalier attitude toward users. How long has the Sprint Rev A/6.0 update been out? Without DCD/No2Chem/et.al. VZW users would be FAR behind.

They don't respond to "blood to pay" in any fashion because of their network and their business base customers.

And how many updates from the other companies had problems? How large is Sprint compared to Verizon? How are all the other companies going to stay competative if they don't try to stay on the leading edge of phones/updates? Just because Verizon doesn't release an update everytime one is available doesn't mean they're slow. After all, numbers do speak. How long did it take Cingular to release a new iPhone that actually worked on the faster network even though many phones already did for a year or so previous? Verizon isn't the only one to be slow.

And yes, faster updates DO matter because phones are limited time devices. They neither last forever, nor are can they be indefinitely updated. As you mention your Apache/6700 has lots of features we'd wish for EXCEPT Rev A and GPS because of hardware limitations, which limits its usefulness and appeal to users. VZW WILL release newer, more capable phones than the XV6800 with features beyond the reach of the XV6800's hardware. Then, once again, folks like yourself can say... "Well, I've got a phone that can do all that EXCEPT......" Ya know, for what we pay VZW...... EXCEPT isn't acceptable.

Name one other device that isn't "limited time". Cars? Houses? Computers? (HAH to that one) Just because they release a new phone and quit supporting an old phone doesn't mean anything. Life is change. The point is to have whatever you have do whatever it is possibly capable of doing to the best that it can do it. Once it's there, what more do you want? If you want more, go get something that can do it. Problem solved. Things will always seem limited in functionality once another function evolves. It's a fact of life we all need to be used to. Nothing does everything.

Not to dis DCD and the others who do amazing things, the fact that hobbyists have found ways to mod the XV6800 JUST TO KEEP UP with updates already released by other carriers tells me VZW could have EASILY hired the talent to upgrade their phones, but ALWAYS lags behind other carriers BY CHOICE.

It speaks to a lack of respect for their customer base. Period. And I STRONGLY disagree with your assessment that we should keep quiet about it in forums of this nature. Yes, they read here, I'm sure..... and they should be berated REGULARLY for their lack of respect for us.

Yes, there is talent out there. There's no arguing that. And refering to above, they're choice is because of their marketing strategy. Numbers speak. If it was a bad strategy, would they still be one of the 3 largest networks? And I never said to keep quiet, especially about lacking respect. The little man should always demand the respect he deserves. However, is here the best place? Is the publicity enough to make people aware of the little man's plight? If you berate some company here, will it make it back to someone in a decision making position? No. I only said to calm down because people here think that the newest Verizon release is the end-all-do-all that they're phones will get when it obviously won't be.

So, I state again. Let's all chill. We have to wait until the END of August now to get our b-day present from the guys here. But don't worry. I don't think you'll be disappointed when it comes. Cause if they build it, you will come.

[gc14]

At what point here did everyone forget that it doesn't matter what Verizon releases, we will still get all the "unlocks" for our phones a couple of weeks afterwards? Does it matter if the new update still only supports VZNavigator? No. How long do you think it will take before somebody releases their own update after they've had a chance to see how a stock rom works the chipsets?

You could not be more wrong with this statement. It matters a GREAT DEAL that the update is only going to support VZNavigator. This isn't just a matter of "figuring out the chipset". We have to figure out a way to somehow sniff a PDE location server IP and Port from a proprietary driver written specifically for VZW by HTC. It's not the same driver in the Sprint ROM.

I think people assume that it's going to be easy to just take the ROM and magically extract this information, when the reality is...it might not even be possible at all.

[deeznuts2]

You could not be more wrong with this statement. It matters a GREAT DEAL that the update is only going to support VZNavigator. This isn't just a matter of "figuring out the chipset". We have to figure out a way to somehow sniff a PDE location server IP and Port from a proprietary driver written specifically for VZW by HTC. It's not the same driver in the Sprint ROM.

I think people assume that it's going to be easy to just take the ROM and magically extract this information, when the reality is...it might not even be possible at all.

I have faith in you guys

And if its not possible, there are some great inventions out there, such as TomTom, Magellan, Garmin, etc etc...

[pjsockett]

Without trailing too far off topic or hijacking this thread, does your source have info on whether or not the touch/vogue rom is the testing phase?

[domineus]

with regards to memory leaks I'm not sure if that has been answered
using the new vzw stock gc is there an increased or decreased memory leak?
also compatibility of apps
with the sprint rom...yeah talk about buggy
but is this the same with vzw? Will we be able to use our cabs wonderfully?

[tntopspin]

At what point here did everyone forget that it doesn't matter what Verizon releases, we will still get all the "unlocks" for our phones a couple of weeks afterwards? Does it matter if the new update still only supports VZNavigator? No. How long do you think it will take before somebody releases their own update after they've had a chance to see how a stock rom works the chipsets?
I find it kinda annoying that you'd suggest "how long do you think it will be....." when you and I aren't the folks doing the work. We enjoy the hard work, research, and talents of DCD and others here, but I (and I presume you) know less than nothing about what is involved in mod-ing a phone and I don't assume, and I certainly don't EXPECT, them to do anything. Your attitude of entitlement here leaves me cold.

Your suggestion that there's been problems with other carrier's ROMs is not germane to the discussion. Are you suggesting the other carrier's rushed the ROMs? Hmmm. Did DCD or No2Chem rush their ROMs? Are you suggesting there won't be issues with the VZW ROM because it has been "better researched" or something? You have ZERO knowledge of the research VZW has put into a XV6800 ROM upgrade, I'm betting. Pure BS.
I'll make my phone MY PHONE and that's completely legal no matter what anyone thinks.
So YOU will? Where's your ROM? Where's your mods? MY PHONE, indeed. Again, you and I might not be blessed with anything else from this forum and then what will YOUR PHONE be?
How long did it take Cingular to release a new iPhone that actually worked on the faster network even though many phones already did for a year or so previous? Verizon isn't the only one to be slow.
So, if VZW isn't the only slow one, that's an excuse? That's a slacker's logic: "Nobody else was doing anything, so it's okay if I don't either." That's BS.... or suggesting VZW can get away with emulating Cingular? We should accept that?
Name one other device that isn't "limited time". Cars? Houses? Computers? (HAH to that one) Just because they release a new phone and quit supporting an old phone doesn't mean anything. Life is change. The point is to have whatever you have do whatever it is possibly capable of doing to the best that it can do it. Once it's there, what more do you want?
So, now you change your mind? You say to get the phone to "whatever it is possibly capable of doing to the best that it can do it" after you previously said "If VZW doesn't release an update when it's available, it doesn't matter."

VZW could've flipped the phone to Rev A quite a while ago without issues. DCD and others have shown that. WM6.1, ditto. VZW slacked on us.... and I'm not inclined to cut them slack for it.

Perhaps this isn't the best forum for it, but you've no knowledge of how much hell I've given them elsewhere either. I DO NOT expect VZW to respond here, but I would hope others would feel empowered to complain to them, as I have, about being slackers.
I only said to calm down because people here think that the newest Verizon release is the end-all-do-all that they're phones will get when it obviously won't be.
What it will be is OVERDUE. Period. I have no idea what your motivation for defending them (poorly, I might add) is, but I'll explain mine. I want, in fact I EXPECT, performance from myself, my co-workers/employees, my equipment, and those from whom I obtain services. I am not ashamed of that fact.

[Zenoran]

We have to figure out a way to somehow sniff a PDE location server IP and Port from a proprietary driver written specifically for VZW by HTC. It's not the same driver in the Sprint ROM.


Which driver is this you speak of? They change the gps driver in windows or something? Meaning, vznavigator won't even work on a regular ROM unless you use this proprietary driver?

I know you haven't had the opportunity to actually play around with vznavigator yet to see for yourself, but I suppose there is some possibility that it is as easy as a configuration of the common architecture setup in windows mobile. Unless they did something specifically coded in the the software that uses the data network to get a more specific fix, I would say it's def possible to emulate this.. hell, even if they do some crazy magic in the sofware itself it would be possible to create a driver or primer program to emulate because when it comes down to it, it is using the GPS after initalization is done, not the cell network right?

With proper debugging and sniffing I'm sure something can be developed to get the same functionality. Timeing, however, is another thing... someone who has experience in such an area would obviously be better for the tasks at hand seeing as reverse engineering if binary code isn't an easy task. ;)

[gc14]

Which driver is this you speak of? They change the gps driver in windows or something? Meaning, vznavigator won't even work on a regular ROM unless you use this proprietary driver?

I know you haven't had the opportunity to actually play around with vznavigator yet to see for yourself, but I suppose there is some possibility that it is as easy as a configuration of the common architecture setup in windows mobile. Unless they did something specifically coded in the the software that uses the data network to get a more specific fix, I would say it's def possible to emulate this.. hell, even if they do some crazy magic in the sofware itself it would be possible to create a driver or primer program to emulate because when it comes down to it, it is using the GPS after initalization is done, not the cell network right?

With proper debugging and sniffing I'm sure something can be developed to get the same functionality. Timeing, however, is another thing... someone who has experience in such an area would obviously be better for the tasks at hand seeing as reverse engineering if binary code isn't an easy task.

I'm still not 100% sure exactly what's going on, but it seems as if they're not using the GPSID whatsoever. They've included a driver called LBSDriver.dll which is not present in any of the Sprint GPS updates.

[MrTek]

From this post, the inclusion of LBSdriver.dll does not bode well for us :(

http://discussion.wmexperts.com/showthread.php?t=165590

and here

http://www.modaco.com/index.php?act=Print&client=printer&f=35&t=262137

[gc14]

Trust me, I've already read everything there is on LBSDriver.dll.

[deeznuts2]

From this post, the inclusion of LBSdriver.dll does not bode well for us :(

http://discussion.wmexperts.com/showthread.php?t=165590

and here

http://www.modaco.com/index.php?act=Print&client=printer&f=35&t=262137

I dont think its going to matter - the inclusion of the LBS driver is needed for the VZNavigator service

The more important thing is whether the gps drivers that are currently being used on a number of roms to fully activate the gps features will play nicely with the LBS driver

[Zenoran]

From this post, the inclusion of LBSdriver.dll does not bode well for us :(

http://discussion.wmexperts.com/showthread.php?t=165590

and here

http://www.modaco.com/index.php?act=Print&client=printer&f=35&t=262137


that one quote is an interesting one... sounds like proprietary agps. LBS would just be the general acronym used for location based service, I assume... This honestly makes PERFECT sense to me that verizon would spend the time and money to develop and use this instead of opening the REGULAR functionality of agps already used in wm... What does this do? Still unlocks gps on the phone, allowing to use your entire device you OWN (as argued in earlier posts), yet crippling its usability by not allowing the benefit of verizon's LBS... so what do u get? gps with other apps if u dont mind waiting for a lock... or u pay verizon money if u want instant gps.

Now I'm wondering what the possibility is someone can still use this to provide a lock.. I'm sure it doesn't use any kind of encryption to transfer the asssisted information... writing some kind of an intermediate driver to take advantage of this is probably possible a royal PITA... however, this is just regular tcp/ip network so sniffing shouldn't be all that hard assuming encryption isn't an issue.

[paulash]

I'm not a programming expert, but I'm almost certain the VZ Navigator program can be mimicked, to say the least. It's just a matter of trial and error before you find the right DLL(s) to activate the GPS. And then maybe someone can make a CAB file so it can be toggled on and off.

[BrianLayman]

Hopefully with Rev a officially out http://qik.com/sign_up will add the TyTN to the list right beside the TyTNII. There's no reason we shouldn't be able to broadcast live video from our phones like everyone else...

[gc14]

Now I'm wondering what the possibility is someone can still use this to provide a lock..

See that's the thing my friend. With the update flashed, I was not able to acquire ANY satellites whatsoever. Not even red bars in HTC GPS Tool. Nothing. The GPS is found on COM4, and spits out NMEA sentences, but no sats.

Hopefully with Rev a officially out http://qik.com/sign_up will add the TyTN to the list right beside the TyTNII. There's no reason we shouldn't be able to broadcast live video from our phones like everyone else...

The TyTN is not the same as the Titan. The TyTN is the HTC Hermes, the GSM predecessor to the TyTN II aka HTC Kaiser.

[mrmadness]

Hopefully with Rev a officially out http://qik.com/sign_up will add the TyTN to the list right beside the TyTNII. There's no reason we shouldn't be able to broadcast live video from our phones like everyone else...

I'm thinking that you may be a little confused. I remember hearing (maybe not in this post) that the TyTN is very different from the Titan. Now, having camera hardware and REV A (soon) makes for definite possibilities, but I'm just a lowly employee who knows nothing...

You have ZERO knowledge of the research VZW has put into a XV6800 ROM upgrade... I want, in fact I EXPECT, performance from myself, my co-workers/employees, my equipment, and those from whom I obtain services.

So you may want to ask somebody who is much more knowledgable on this subject. So GC, what's the difference between TyTN and Titan? I forget.

Edit: Never mind. You posted before I did.

[mrmadness]

See that's the thing my friend. With the update flashed, I was not able to acquire ANY satellites whatsoever. Not even red bars in HTC GPS Tool. Nothing. The GPS is found on COM4, and spits out NMEA sentences, but no sats.

So just curious, what exactly does this mean? Is it that the software is now JUST communicating with the GPSOne chipset? Or is there something actually being received but just not processed? I would figure that it wouldn't just spit out strings unless it needs to to remain synchronized with something else in the phone itself (like a modem keeping a connection in sync). Otherwise, my thoughts is it would be spitting out strings it's actually receiving but not processing due to the drivers set to just receive and let the program do the rest. Would I be wrong?

Edit: Another just curious. Since Verizon has now officially updated the radio on your phone, can you use a custom rom with Sprint drivers or something and have it work? Or is this like other roms where GPS was enabled, but the radio revision made it buggy? If it's just a driver issue and a custom rom solves it, wouldn't that help a lot?

[BrianLayman]

You have ZERO knowledge of the research VZW has put into a XV6800 ROM upgrade... I want, in fact I EXPECT, performance from myself, my co-workers/employees, my equipment, and those from whom I obtain services.

So you may want to ask somebody who is much more knowledgable on this subject. So GC, what's the difference between TyTN and Titan? I forget.

Edit: Never mind. You posted before I did.

And just to be clear, that second quote was definitely NOT something I wrote, even if quick quotes made that appear to be the case in your response.

[Cycomachead]

So, assuming that we can't get a PDE server or new GPS drivers: we can keep our current GPS situation and have the benefits of new drivers in other areas, right?

Also what's stopping us from leeching off the sprint PDE?

[tntopspin]

See that's the thing my friend. With the update flashed, I was not able to acquire ANY satellites whatsoever. Not even red bars in HTC GPS Tool. Nothing. The GPS is found on COM4, and spits out NMEA sentences, but no sats.
gc, as always, thanks for your skills and work. You're in a unique position here, from my viewpoint. You seemed to have received a "non-crippled" (no VZN OEM) ROM first, then a "crippled" (VZN OEM included) ROM.

I'm not sure what the limits on what you can say are, but I'm highly curious whether the non-VZN ROM had GPS services (could you get a lock) as it seems the second will not lock. A comparison of the two ROMs, it would seem, might shed light on the issue if one locks and one doesn't. I'm sure, of course, you guys have delved into this.

I have a friend nearing the completion of his Ph.D. in Atmospheric Sciences who has an intense programming background and some experience with proprietary and highly accurate GPS systems (primarily Defense Dept., I think.) I will make him aware there's a potentially interesting topic here and he might participate here (though he is an academic, not a forum-type person and I doubt he'd post openly) or contact you directly. We had some lively discussions a coupla years ago about attempts to "commercialize" the non-Defense Dept GPS satellites. He is not a fan of such attempts.

Once again, gc..... thanks. Without your tenacity in hounding VZW for information this comparison/preview wouldn't exist. Thanks.

[gbenj]

gc, as always, thanks for your skills and work. You're in a unique position here, from my viewpoint. You seemed to have received a "non-crippled" (no VZN OEM) ROM first, then a "crippled" (VZN OEM included) ROM.

I'm not sure what the limits on what you can say are, but I'm highly curious whether the non-VZN ROM had GPS services (could you get a lock) as it seems the second will not lock. A comparison of the two ROMs, it would seem, might shed light on the issue if one locks and one doesn't. I'm sure, of course, you guys have delved into this.

someone can correct me if im wrong, but i think he said that the only difference between the two, was that one included VZN, and the other didnt. I dont think the first one was able to get any kind of locks either.

[Zenoran]

See that's the thing my friend. With the update flashed, I was not able to acquire ANY satellites whatsoever. Not even red bars in HTC GPS Tool. Nothing. The GPS is found on COM4, and spits out NMEA sentences, but no sats.

lol if that's not a bug or misunderstanding of some sort, kiss the hype and interest for this ROM out the window. they can keep it.

[azclown]

someone can correct me if im wrong, but i think he said that the only difference between the two, was that one included VZN, and the other didnt. I dont think the first one was able to get any kind of locks either.

This is correct.....

[gc14]

Since Verizon has now officially updated the radio on your phone, can you use a custom rom with Sprint drivers or something and have it work?

It's not only the radio and drivers that are affecting the outcome, it's the new PRI update included in the release. The update includes PRI version 2.03_002. I tried flashing a custom rom while keeping the radio and new PRI, and still no sats whatsoever. Only way to fix the issue was to refurbish the radio.

So, assuming that we can't get a PDE server or new GPS drivers: we can keep our current GPS situation and have the benefits of new drivers in other areas, right?

Yes, that's correct.

Also what's stopping us from leeching off the sprint PDE?

If you're not able to connect to Sprint's data network, then you can't use their location server.

someone can correct me if im wrong, but i think he said that the only difference between the two, was that one included VZN, and the other didnt. I dont think the first one was able to get any kind of locks either.

You are correct.

[mrmadness]

And just to be clear, that second quote was definitely NOT something I wrote, even if quick quotes made that appear to be the case in your response.

Oops. Sorry dude. My bad. I'll get it taken care of.

[mrmadness]

It's not only the radio and drivers that are affecting the outcome, it's the new PRI update included in the release. The update includes PRI version 2.03_002. I tried flashing a custom rom while keeping the radio and new PRI, and still no sats whatsoever. Only way to fix the issue was to refurbish the radio.

Something occurs to me. When somebody wants to develop software on/for a commercially developed setup (i.e. Mac or Windows XP or bluetooth GPS receiver...), there's always a way of getting an SDK or some kind of "instruction manual" that allows the programmer to create a program or interface and reach a desired outcome. Has anyone tried to go to HTC directly or even Qualcomm and get this kind of stuff for the phone guts? Understandably something like this would carry a cost (can you say fundraiser?), but it would cause less reverse-engineering and more just plain engineering. Granted, you wouldn't be able to work the cell networks with just this and you would have to go to the networks themselves for that part (and WHY would they give that up to anyone?). But it seems if you guys already have the know-how on how to at least implement drivers for a specific carrier, it would make everyone's life a lot easier if we could get hold of how this thing works and write a new radio or new drivers. Seems like the only thing really popping up still is the GPS since REV A and a few other things are taken care of. Has anyone (knowing what they're looking for) looked into it? Just curious.

[Zenoran]

It's not only the radio and drivers that are affecting the outcome, it's the new PRI update included in the release. The update includes PRI version 2.03_002. I tried flashing a custom rom while keeping the radio and new PRI, and still no sats whatsoever. Only way to fix the issue was to refurbish the radio.

Okay, SERIOUSLY people... WHO on this forum would actually flash this crap?

You want to BREAK functionality in your phone? :eek:

Verizon needs to seriously reconsider this strategy. I can understand the wait to get things working properly but this just basically SCREAMS defeat for the titan, as far as Verizon's level of support.

[deeznuts2]

Okay, SERIOUSLY people... WHO on this forum would actually flash this crap?

You want to BREAK functionality in your phone? :eek:

Verizon needs to seriously reconsider this strategy. I can understand the wait to get things working properly but this just basically SCREAMS defeat for the titan, as far as Verizon's level of support.

I plan on flashing it. I only need Rev A and as long as the official update delivers, I'm good

[mrmadness]

I plan on flashing it. I only need Rev A and as long as the official update delivers, I'm good

Ditto. My Apache had a really good radio after a couple of updates. My Titan really sux in some spots. I'm hoping that it gets a lot of refinements so it handles the towers better. GPS would be great, but not needed. I'll custom it for that if I need that a couple months from now.

[DV8]

Hey gc just wondered if vzw decided to put in mobile tv in the update kinda what sprint has.

[paulash]

I think this thread should be locked until the verizon update is out :P

[indagroove]

I think this thread should be locked until the verizon update is out :P

What would be the point?

[Hypeo]

I think this thread should be locked until the verizon update is out :P


That only means that when it comes out there would be a new thread!!! At least this way some people can blow off steam about the upgrade rom from VZW here... See you can preven from someone going postal if you let them vent!!!!!!!:D

[paulash]

Haha well that's a good idea,

BUT. I'm subscribed to this thread, and everytime someone replies I get excited thinking the update is out. But then it turns out to be another question for GC :rolleyes: Questions don't matter now as much as you'd think, because knowing verizon, they still might not release the update for whatever reason. No one else other than GC has the software, so no one else needs HELP with the software. When it's released, GC or another admin can unlock it and post all the information up. Every verizon person on this forum already posted on this thread so that means any new questions that may arise will be looked over and answered by all of them. :)

[soniclooking]

I thought verizon would put the update out 8/8/08 for sure. I would guess when a new pda phones gets released is when they'll put out the update. I had the xv6700 and i remember when the update came for that and then the xv6800 was released shortly afterwards right? I mean they already put out the xv6900. Any issues fixed with bluetooth for music. when does Q3 start?

btw - i get asked constantly "what phone is that?" and i hate saying "oh it's the xv6800" why can't verizon name these things better? I got asked the other day "is that a side kick?"

[BK111968]

ha - I had to call Slorizon the other day due since my 6800 kept bouncing between 1X and EV at home (I've always had EV). I asked the rep when the update was coming out and she told me it depended on MICROSOFT.
:eek: (nice support SlORIZON!)

[paulash]

I thought verizon would put the update out 8/8/08 for sure. I would guess when a new pda phones gets released is when they'll put out the update. I had the xv6700 and i remember when the update came for that and then the xv6800 was released shortly afterwards right? I mean they already put out the xv6900. Any issues fixed with bluetooth for music. when does Q3 start?

btw - i get asked constantly "what phone is that?" and i hate saying "oh it's the xv6800" why can't verizon name these things better? I got asked the other day "is that a side kick?"

LOL you have no idea how many times someone asked me if my 6800 was a sidekick. I'd say does it look like a flippin sidekick to you? (pun intended)

[deeznuts2]

...when does Q3 start?

...

Q1 = Jan - Mar
Q2 = Apr - June
Q3 = July - Sept
Q4 = Oct - Dec

[Paul in Maryland]

I figure the update will be out this Winter: a Verizon store rep assured me it I could expect it when something freezes over. :)

[JukEboXAuDiO]

So no release date yet?

[BK111968]

I figure the update will be out this Winter: a Verizon store rep assured me it I could expect it when something freezes over. :)

when they gave you that answer did the store rep factor in global warming? :D

[thundaar2000]

I was in a VZ store over the weekend for another unrelated thing, and I asked about the upgrade and the tech guy said it was out already... I responded REALLY!?? Then he went out back and came out a few mins later with "I'm sorry, I thought it was out...."
Hehe, I hate that!!

[iampedro]

Well all that means is that it is coming out soon...

[soniclooking]

I hate knowing an update is "coming." And then knowing it is "soon." and when you post to the forum that told you it was coming people get excited because they think you posted some related news then they find out it was all just someone complaining about how long the update is taking to be posted.

Is it posted yet?

Are they updating the video drivers? so that animations and video will play smoother. I never liked how choppy the verizon logo was when I first turn it on.
Will this update address any issues with the larger than 4gig micro sd cards?

[oneders65]

Since Verizon bought Alltel is the new ROM going to be available to Alltel 6800 phones?

[aguas]

Since Verizon bought Alltel is the new ROM going to be available to Alltel 6800 phones?

didnt alltel already release an update?

[oneders65]

didnt alltel already release an update?

Yes but have no GPS....

[Hypeo]

didnt alltel already release an update?

yes alltel did released an update and they pulled it out.. Apparently it had issues with roaming!!! if you go to HTC Website it is not posted there.

[elisherer]

So wait... can we VZW users get and use an "official" update finally?? Or are we still playing the waiting game (again and again)?

[rhannahs19]

were still waiting patiently.... right

[nitro66215]

My $0.02 worth.... Check HTC's site. Once Verizon says that it's ready... they will have it posted. HTC Verizon xv6800 Support (http://www.htc.com/us/FAQ_Detail.aspx?act=faq&p_id=82&cat=268)

[gc14]

I haven't forgot about you guys don't worry lol.

I've been swamped at work lately.

I'm looking into a few things and have a few things up my sleeve. ;)

[nitro66215]

I haven't forgot about you guys don't worry lol.

I've been swamped at work lately.

I'm looking into a few things and have a few things up my sleeve. ;)
I'll keep an eye on your signature... when it says Verizon Stock update... Then I'll bug the crap out of you. :D

[soniclooking]

What day is no longer considered early august?

[SteveNYC]

I'm looking into a few things and have a few things up my sleeve. ;)
This thread is like watching the financial markets when Alan Greenspan used to speak at the Fed. "What did he mean?"... "Is a change imminent?"...

Hysterical! ;)

[worwig]

What day is no longer considered early august?

2008 or 2009?

[a_lazy_dude]

What day is no longer considered early august?

It's actually "closer to the end of August." see here (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=2481747#post2481747)

[thundaar2000]

What day is no longer considered early august?

Early August in MS or VZW is Late September / early October.... ;)

[nitro66215]

2008 or 2009?
I agree. Early August.... but of what year?

[soniclooking]

ok so we're looking at a late august release because verizon forgot to put vz navigator in the rom? I have a feeling I'm gonna be disappointed. to much hype.

Has it been said that we'll have to pay to use gps with vz nav. Would be cool if it was free. maybe uses data and gps. voice guided directions would be awesome. vz naz reminds me of windows live search. Can't see why vzw would charge for gps when i can buy a receiver and use it free with windows live search.

[Paul in Maryland]

Can't see why vzw would charge for gps when i can buy a receiver and use it free with windows live search.

Because for many people, the convenience of using only one device is worth paying for.

[iampedro]

Well... We shall see...

[MrTek]

From what was said already, can we make these assumptions:

1 - VZW Update enables GPS: We can use it as we do now with GPS enabled apps, but we will not get the benefit of A-GPS because of VZW's locked driver?

2 - VZNavigator is explicitly written to use the LBS driver, and will use AGPS.


If so, then we are no worse than we are now for those who flashed custom rom, but obviously no better.

3 - VZW Update removes the 3rd party ability to get use GPS, and have to use GPS through LBSdriver only- This would suck, and obviously many would not apply the update, but wait for the chefs to do their magic.

I suspect we might see the VX6800 get support for LOOPT or even QIK.COM once RevA and GPS is released though. I just hope the LOOPT client is not also tied to the LBS driver.

So what else could be in this mythical update that we have not seen already? Is it a newer Radio ROM than 3.42.50? The only thing I am hearing of great benefit would be the A-GPS servers if they are allowed.

I really wonder how VZW is going to work with their "Open network" concept where they will allow non-VZW phones. If I had a CDMA non-VZW phone, that supported AGPS, would VZW claim AGPS/EGPS is a supported "feature" of their network? I guess we will see once LTE starts rolling out, and we get more device choices.

[scrawnyb]

So what else could be in this mythical update that we have not seen already? Is it a newer Radio ROM than 3.42.50? The only thing I am hearing of great benefit would be the A-GPS servers if they are allowed.

I don't know about all the other stuff mentioned, but if you would have read and looked through this thread thoroughly, you would have seen that the radio version was 3.37.71, so it appears to be an older radio.

As far as the effects of VZ's "tinkering" of this, we'll have to see the pro's and con's once it gets released to public.

Who knows, maybe they'll bump up the radio since they forgot VZ Nav? I doubt it, but here's to being hopeful :-)

[MrTek]

Scrawny,

Thanks, I didn't notice that post about the radio version.

So compared to DCD 3.2.5, it looks like the VZW release is really a downgrade if VZnavigator is not important to a user?

[BK111968]

[QUOTE=MrTek;2520023]From what was said already, can we make these assumptions:

3 - VZW Update removes the 3rd party ability to get use GPS, and have to use GPS through LBSdriver only- This would suck, and obviously many would not apply the update, but wait for the chefs to do their magic.

QUOTE]

Question: Will we still be allowed to use 3rd party apps such as IGuidance with a seperate bluetooth reciever (the set up that I'm using now) or did the clowns at Slorizon block that so you have to cough up 9.99 per month to use thier service?

My understanding is that it only blocks the GPS chip built-in the device from using something such as google maps etc.

Which is correct?

[mrmadness]

Question: Will we still be allowed to use 3rd party apps such as IGuidance with a seperate bluetooth reciever (the set up that I'm using now) or did the clowns at Slorizon block that so you have to cough up 9.99 per month to use thier service?

My understanding is that it only blocks the GPS chip built-in the device from using something such as google maps etc.

Which is correct?

I can't get the references to work so I'll just say it. A few pages back, GC had a discussion with a few other people that basically came to this:
1) GPS is available.
2) The phone recognizes GPS on COM4.
3) Any 3rd party app that attempts to get on COM4 will get a bunch of NMEA gibberish.
4) GPS is recognized, gibberish seems to translate into "No Satellites Available".

So, we have our GPS and absolutely no means of translation for the lay 3rd party app. Have fun with your TomToms and iGuidances until a break is found!

[crobs808]

Ok, I just did a speed test using DCD's 3.2.5 ROM with radio 3.24.50 ROM.

===
http://www.speakeasy.net/speedtest/
Download Speed: 1861 kbps (232.6 KB/sec transfer rate)
Upload Speed: 588 kbps (73.5 KB/sec transfer rate)
===

SETUP:
I hooked up my hone via USB, went to Comm Manager, turned on internet sharing, clicked "Connect" on the screen. then I disabled all my other network adapters, and unplugged any internet cables. I disabled the WiFi and the Internal NIC, and unplugged the cat5 from the NIC. Also, I got my IP from 'whatismyip.org' and ran a WhoIS, and it was a Verizon IP. So this is the most clean/variable free test you can get. I had full bars too, but I do not know how far I am from the nerest tower. Just thought I would share that.

[crobs808]

so what would be the point of getting verizon's updated rom when it comes out, when DCD's roms are already better?

[soniclooking]

with an update coming from verizon, you don't have to go through a bunch of trouble to update and brick your phone. not sure but I'm sure you wouldn't void the warranty either.

[Cycomachead]

so what would be the point of getting verizon's updated rom when it comes out, when DCD's roms are already better?

Maybe VZNav if you would pay for it (I wouldn't).
Verizon's support if you want that.

Mostly we just want VZW to support the phone because those updates make it back into DCD's roms.

[DrHankZ]

It is almost the middle of August.

Does anyone have a better CLUE on When the Update will be released :)

[aguas]

It is almost the middle of August.

Does anyone have a better CLUE on When the Update will be released :)

ive been hearing end of august.

[soniclooking]

ive been hearing end of august.

Jeez. I was expecting this upgrade in july, before i had a trip to florida so i could use the gps and not use my laptop with the usb gps. I ended up using the laptop, but the fuse blew on my cig lighter so i couldn't run the laptop. Just had to settle for the directions from windows live. Which isn't bad, but i kept having to look down at my phone then at street signs. I have streets and trips and it gives me voice guided directions.


Who wants to start a poll that this update won't come until september?

Press 1 for late august
Press 2 for early September
press 3 if its all a lie, and we've been waisting our time on here.

[firefurby]

Who wants to start a poll that this update won't come until september?

Press 1 for late august
Press 2 for early September
press 3 if its all a lie, and we've been waisting our time on here.

My vote is for 3 :-P

[kashabrown]

I think it will be Sept. 2010

[soniclooking]

If it doesn't come tomorrow or monday, i quit.

[J Shed]

It's due closer to the end of the month, so might as well quit now and save yourself the weekend.

[madsuse]

We are all anxiously awaiting the improvements which can be derived from the official ROM , but is anyone really going to give up all of the goodies in the custom ROMs?

[Zenoran]

quit speculating. it's worthless and you will only set yourself up for disappointment. ;)

[tbhall77]

There is always the possibility of making a VZW gps translator. Possibly building on the Open Source project GPS Proxy or a commercial product like GPS Gate updating their software. To get an idea of what I'm talking about see this link (http://www.malsingmaps.com/wiki/index.php/All_about_GPSProxy) and just replace the "GPS Com port" talking NEMA and think of it as talking VZW GPS.

[mrmadness]

There is always the possibility of making a VZW gps translator. Possibly building on the Open Source project GPS Proxy or a commercial product like GPS Gate updating their software. To get an idea of what I'm talking about see this link (http://www.malsingmaps.com/wiki/index.php/All_about_GPSProxy) and just replace the "GPS Com port" talking NEMA and think of it as talking VZW GPS.

Good idea, but here's the thing:
1) It's already been done. WM 6 and later have an external GPS function that shares the GPS data to a virtual port that any and all programs on your phone can access simultaneously.
2) In order to get the GPS data, you have to know where it is, how to decode it and then how to turn it into a position. We know where it is: Com4. What we don't know is how to decode it. GC tried it with the new release and it came up as gibberish. A GPS program couldn't decipher it so it was pointless. VZW proprietary drivers made it that way.
3) Just because 2 reasons seemed like not enough.

So keep thinking the ideas. You know we need them here. Maybe you'll find something nobody else has yet.

[DrHankZ]

Windows Mobile 6.1 :D

[azclown]

Verizon has released WM6.1.... Just not to us....... lol

[BK111968]

Slorizon will release it on Jan 20, 2013.

[tbhall77]

Good idea, but here's the thing:
1) It's already been done. WM 6 and later have an external GPS function that shares the GPS data to a virtual port that any and all programs on your phone can access simultaneously.
2) In order to get the GPS data, you have to know where it is, how to decode it and then how to turn it into a position. We know where it is: Com4. What we don't know is how to decode it. GC tried it with the new release and it came up as gibberish. A GPS program couldn't decipher it so it was pointless. VZW proprietary drivers made it that way.
3) Just because 2 reasons seemed like not enough.

So keep thinking the ideas. You know we need them here. Maybe you'll find something nobody else has yet.

Well, i wasn't really thinking that we'd use the program to share or multiplex com interfaces. I was thinking more of a program in the middle translating VZW GPS data into standard NEMA to the virtual com port. Like a babble fish. This way any 3rd party NEMA compatible software can use the virtual port and not have to worry. You are absolutely correct in that someone needs to figure out what the gibberish on the VZW GPS port is and VZW does license out the information (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=2529743&postcount=51). If it is true VZW releases this ROM with GPS enabled but locks out 3rd party apps from using it then I'm sure a commercial software will eventually be written. There is money to be made from the poor souls who would not dare flash their phone or do anything to void their warrentee.

[hobbiteer]

Well I haven't heard anything for a software update for the device. Nothing mentioned aside from a vague possibility. I'll dig up more info if needed. But to answer a few of the other questions. The official update would probably enable aGPS but it would be set for VZNav as that is the goal for the company. Sell their products and services. If you guys remember the update to the 6700 ( I do I did it) it may involve certain data control timers and auto-disconnects. Thus far I haven't seen them figure out you can over-ride their DUN protocols thru the ##778 programming which is cool. Enabling Rev A on the device is still a possibility but an unlikely one based off the current roles they place on devices. But it may still happen. Sorry if my response is vague and not well worded I really am better at explaining myself but I wanted to post before I forgot.

[bball925playa]

so the question becomes, will it be possible (either based on ripping some functionality or by actually using the VZW radio) to have A-GPS with something other than VZNav
sorry if this doesnt make sense, im not sure how it all fits together

[gc14]

Well I haven't heard anything for a software update for the device. Nothing mentioned aside from a vague possibility. I'll dig up more info if needed. But to answer a few of the other questions. The official update would probably enable aGPS but it would be set for VZNav as that is the goal for the company. Sell their products and services. If you guys remember the update to the 6700 ( I do I did it) it may involve certain data control timers and auto-disconnects. Thus far I haven't seen them figure out you can over-ride their DUN protocols thru the ##778 programming which is cool. Enabling Rev A on the device is still a possibility but an unlikely one based off the current roles they place on devices. But it may still happen. Sorry if my response is vague and not well worded I really am better at explaining myself but I wanted to post before I forgot.

Are you inferring that there may not be an update? If not, are you inferring that the update will "probably" enable aGPS for VZNav and "probably" enable Rev A?

I can assure you there IS an update, it WILL enable aGPS for VZNav, it WILL enable Rev A, and it WILL contain WM 6.1.

Please read the contents of the thread before posting next time.

[iampedro]

I just spoke to someone at Verizon Wireless and she wasn't very forth right about any patches saying that they have discontinued selling the xv6800 besides the ones that they have in stock...

[iampedro]

Are you inferring that there may not be an update? If not, are you inferring that the update will "probably" enable aGPS for VZNav and "probably" enable Rev A?

I can assure you there IS an update, it WILL enable aGPS for VZNav, it WILL enable Rev A, and it WILL contain WM 6.1.

Please read the contents of the thread before posting next time.

Do you know when the release date is?

[elisherer]

Can someone else verify that the 8700 is no longer going to be sold? I was just at a VZW shop a week+ ago and they had them in stock and on the wall.

IF they really are going to discontinue, then there's a whole lot of us getting a fine line of drivvle from Customer Service reps (as well as UT Starcom and others).

[nitro66215]

Can someone else verify that the 8700 is no longer going to be sold? I was just at a VZW shop a week+ ago and they had them in stock and on the wall.

IF they really are going to discontinue, then there's a whole lot of us getting a fine line of drivvle from Customer Service reps (as well as UT Starcom and others).
8700? I believe he said xv6800 will be discontinued.

[elisherer]

Sorry... yeah, that was bad fingers on the keyboard... So can someone confirm the 8600 being killed off?