Do all dialers suck?

[Flapjack]

...or is it just me? Some are really, really nice, but all seem to have one fundamental flaw for me. They suck at dialing. I could see if it happened once in a while, but about 1/2 the wrong digit, despite using just the tip of my finger. God forbid I actually use the pad of my finger.

For instance... I'll go for the 2, but get an 8 or 0 or something equally ridiculous. Of course, if I use the stylus, I don't have any issues.

I'm past the point of thinking it's a dialer software problem. I was thinking it might be a sensitivity issue, but it has been this way with every ROM I've tried, and regardless of where I put the sensitivity setting.

Is anyone else experiencing this? I don't have the same issue with my girlfriend's Treo 750. The touch screen on that dials just fine, both with the stock ROM and the 6.1 WWE version we're running now.

[scotchua]

...or is it just me? Some are really, really nice, but all seem to have one fundamental flaw for me. They suck at dialing. I could see if it happened once in a while, but about 1/2 the wrong digit, despite using just the tip of my finger. God forbid I actually use the pad of my finger.

For instance... I'll go for the 2, but get an 8 or 0 or something equally ridiculous. Of course, if I use the stylus, I don't have any issues.

I'm past the point of thinking it's a dialer software problem. I was thinking it might be a sensitivity issue, but it has been this way with every ROM I've tried, and regardless of where I put the sensitivity setting.

Is anyone else experiencing this? I don't have the same issue with my girlfriend's Treo 750. The touch screen on that dials just fine, both with the stock ROM and the 6.1 WWE version we're running now.

You know it is disappointing that a member with 269 posts still doesn't know where to post this kind of information. Wrong forum, and i am willing to be there are other threads to complain about sucky dialers.

[ctswin]

MODE EDIT: Do that by contributing!

[Flapjack]

You know it is disappointing that a member with 269 posts still doesn't know where to post this kind of information. Wrong forum, and i am willing to be there are other threads to complain about sucky dialers.
I've posted, and see posted, stuff like this before in the Kaiser main forum, and have seen people complain that it's in the "wrong forum". Where do you propose I put this? One though is that it's a ROM issue, because other programs touch features work just fine.

...and I did search. I did a search for "dialer wrong number" and "inaccurate dialer". The only thread I found that was relevant was this one (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=352007&highlight=inaccurate+dialer), which turned out to be a bitch fest.

This is a grey area, so for you to just call this thread out "is disappointing".

Word!

*Gots to get my post count up!*
Wow, what do you call this? It's not even relevant to the thread. I could honestly give two hoots about my post count. I don't come here to win competitions on who can post the most. I am a member of many forums where my post count is higher than this, but I barely notice.

Word. What a tard.

[scotchua]

I've posted, and see posted, stuff like this before in the Kaiser main forum, and have seen people complain that it's in the "wrong forum". Where do you propose I put this? One though is that it's a ROM issue, because other programs touch features work just fine.

This is a grey area, so for you to just call this thread out "is disappointing".

Dialers would be a software issue, and i'm confident this thread will eventually be moved either to Kaiser Software or Kaiser general. Honestly i believe the issue is that a lot of the dialers are actually ported from other devices. Most of them were not designed for the Kaiser originally. The stock dialer that comes with the AT&T rom actually performs much better in my option than any of the dual touch dialer, which is the most common dialer to find in cooked roms. Just my opinion, I should have posted this in my post. My apologies.

Word!

*Gots to get my post count up!*

xP

Absolutely nothing of value to add??? Maybe you shouldn't post. If you want to get your post count up, i recommend that you spend time learning, and then post helpful suggestions to other users who have questions.

Word. What a tard.

Two wrongs don't make a right. We should all be respectful, even when people don't deserve it. Just report offensive posts. :)

[Flapjack]

Dialers would be a software issue, and i'm confident this thread will eventually be moved either to Kaiser Software or Kaiser general. Honestly i believe the issue is that a lot of the dialers are actually ported from other devices. Most of them were not designed for the Kaiser originally. The stock dialer that comes with the AT&T rom actually performs much better in my option than any of the dual touch dialer, which is the most common dialer to find in cooked roms. Just my opinion, I should have posted this in my post. My apologies.
No, if you feel this should honestly be in another thread, then you should say so. If, like you say, it is an issue with ported dialers, then it belongs here, as the cooks using these dialers should fix the issue.

Absolutely nothing of value to add??? Maybe you shouldn't post. If you want to get your post count up, i recommend that you spend time learning, and then post helpful suggestions to other users who have questions.
+1

[ctswin]

MOD EDIT: Contribute to the forum!

[scotchua]

No, if you feel this should honestly be in another thread, then you should say so. If, like you say, it is an issue with ported dialers, then it belongs here, as the cooks using these dialers should fix the issue.

Guess we'll see ;) Dialer actually have nothing to do with rom development. They are just an add-on software that people change as they see fit.

*laughing to no one, drooling on his shirt and wipes a booger on his screen*

Tard?

Go to Guitar Center and pick yerself up a Jim Dunlop Metal Finger Pick. ...problem solved.

*Adds yet another 'notch' toward his posting milestone of 4.37 billion posts*

Please stop. Your post has been reported, and as such i will not reply to any more of your posts. You should treat the other members with respect.

[Mikey1022]

Enough....back to top of the thread.

[cbass]

I have GIANT fingers. MOD EDIT: Congratulations! ... and I have no problems dialing. Also, I have issues trying to see the screen while I am driving MOD EDIT: Glad you have a license! ...so I use voice dialing more often while driving.

MOD EDIT: Watch what you're posting! First and last warning!

[nicholasendean]

Your aren't alone with this.....but i found a great dialer skin below that works even with pad touch! Hope this helps.:)

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=408005&page=1

[thomassster]

all touch screen dialers for any phone can't be perfect. It takes a lot of practice aiming your fingers to find the sweet spot on these dialers.

[Exitao]

It shouldn't take any practice. I'm a first aid attendant and if I have to toss my phone at someone so they can call 911 while I have to perform an intervention, they shouldn't have to practice.

Crap, I just about called 911 by accident when I tried to call 611 yesterday.

I don't care who people want to say is responsible, cooks or people who port; I'm near ready to go back to an OEM ROM.

[Billun]

It shouldn't take any practice. I'm a first aid attendant and if I have to toss my phone at someone so they can call 911 while I have to perform an intervention, they shouldn't have to practice.

Crap, I just about called 911 by accident when I tried to call 611 yesterday.

I don't care who people want to say is responsible, cooks or people who port; I'm near ready to go back to an OEM ROM.

Totally agree.
When i call in a hurry i almost always get at least one digit wrong.
It is really frustrating.

[boomermax]

It shouldn't take any practice. I'm a first aid attendant and if I have to toss my phone at someone so they can call 911 while I have to perform an intervention, they shouldn't have to practice.

Crap, I just about called 911 by accident when I tried to call 611 yesterday.

I don't care who people want to say is responsible, cooks or people who port; I'm near ready to go back to an OEM ROM.


maybe you ought to worry more about the practicality of the phone you're using given your circumstances.

[StevesDesigns]

It shouldn't take any practice. I'm a first aid attendant and if I have to toss my phone at someone so they can call 911 while I have to perform an intervention, they shouldn't have to practice.



Sorry, but I have to ask....

Should we be "Tossing" our Kaisers?????

Just seems to me if you have to "Toss" this wonderful phone, that I hope you have the insurance plan on it in case the person your tossing it to doesn't catch it.

[NotATreoFan]

The Diamond dialer linked above, combined with editing the registry to increase the TouchPanel sensitivity to 5000, makes it very easy to dial with huge thumbs like mine.

[rfarnell]

I raised a similar thread a while back based on trying to make the Kaiser more finger friendly: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=376271

My top suggestion for you is to install Finger-Friendly Friends http://www.jotto.no/fff/ which is so quick to find contacts with fat/clumsy finger usage. It obviously doesn't remove the issue of when you want to dial a new number, but I highly recommend you try it out.

Rob

[Exitao]

Sorry, but I have to ask....

Should we be "Tossing" our Kaisers?????

Just seems to me if you have to "Toss" this wonderful phone, that I hope you have the insurance plan on it in case the person your tossing it to doesn't catch it.

Sometimes literal can be a simile for anal. Let's not become too much of either and use a bit of common sense instead.


For the other fellow above:
As for my choice in phones, it may be a toy for you, but it's my PIM and life organiser (I have adhd, so a good PIM is like a second Rx) and it's also a phone. If it can't function properly as a phone, then I should just buy an iPhone, or a Nokia. Or stick to OEM softs.
XDA seems to be filled with people who think they can cook a ROM better than HTC or AT&T, and yet there's this dialer issue.


Not trying to insult anyone in particular, just asking, what gives?

If anyone has a useful link to a dialer that works well, with nice big buttons AND smart dial, please speak up.

If we were in a ROM/app release thread, there would be an effort to keep the thread on topic and keep posts useful. I don't feel you two gentlepersons have been terrible useful.

[Exitao]

I raised a similar thread a while back based on trying to make the Kaiser more finger friendly: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=376271

My top suggestion for you is to install Finger-Friendly Friends http://www.jotto.no/fff/ which is so quick to find contacts with fat/clumsy finger usage. It obviously doesn't remove the issue of when you want to dial a new number, but I highly recommend you try it out.

Rob

Yes, I've tried it. Very nice app. Unfortunately I can't foresee all the numbers I need to all for the next day/week/month... so a functional dialer would still be useful.


I also wonder if the increasing sensitivity of the touch screen for touchflo/iclone apps contributes to dialer suckiness... Anyone confirm this?

[pinetreehater]

I agree that the dialer is the number one limitation for my phone. I do not like complaining, however, because I seem to have little but anecdotal commentary (much like this post) to contribute.

I hate my dialer (the native one from l26 diamond kaiser V.7). I really cannot dial in a hurry without the delay causing mistakes.

I have tried the DXC Iphone dialer, one ported from a touch (not sure), and the current rom embedded dialer.

[wmg76]

Would be nice if there was a tread where everyone had dialers posted but I haven't found one yet using the search.

[researchermd]

If you have fat finger like mine you may appreciate this dialer:

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=2230491&postcount=1

[Flapjack]

Wow. I must've missed an email notification somewhere...

Gonna try the Diamond dialer nicholasendean linked. This is more than just being clumsy, though.. I can tap a 2 with the tip of my finger and get an 8. I keep having to hit the back button. Sometimes it'll take 10-12 taps just to dial a 7-digit number.

Doesn't happen with the stylus, of course....

[gai-jin]

Wow. I must've missed an email notification somewhere...

Gonna try the Diamond dialer nicholasendean linked. This is more than just being clumsy, though.. I can tap a 2 with the tip of my finger and get an 8. I keep having to hit the back button. Sometimes it'll take 10-12 taps just to dial a 7-digit number.

Doesn't happen with the stylus, of course....

I get the same thing. Clearly pressing on one number, and a completely different number gets dialed. What a pain!

[Flapjack]

I get the same thing. Clearly pressing on one number, and a completely different number gets dialed. What a pain!

It's definitely not as bad with the stock WM dialer. I've used that in the past.

I've been using poorlyduck's Diamond dialer. It's nowhere near as bad as the HTC dialer.

I can't wait for the day when all the cooks get tired of the HTC Home interface. I've only been using ROMs that don't have it cooked in lately...

[Protonus]

Finger Friendly Contacts, is the way to go IMHO. It's incredibly good. If you don't "get it" - you don't need to be precise when tapping letters, just blindly hit the "general" area - it uses an algorithm (kinda like t9) to determine what letters you meant to hit, based on searching all contacts for nearby letters on the fly. You have to try it to really get how well it works.

[Flapjack]

Finger Friendly Contacts, is the way to go IMHO. It's incredibly good. If you don't "get it" - you don't need to be precise when tapping letters, just blindly hit the "general" area - it uses an algorithm (kinda like t9) to determine what letters you meant to hit, based on searching all contacts for nearby letters on the fly. You have to try it to really get how well it works.

I don't have a problem dialing people in my contacts. Just numbers not added to it.

[stoutseun]

I've used poorlyduck's iphone dialler (3c) now for a while and found it to have the nicest layout for me and easy to type. Just yesterday uninstalled it though as it got a bit irritating putting people on hold or the mic on mute with my ear pressing against the screen. ;)

[Flapjack]

I've used poorlyduck's iphone dialler (3c) now for a while and found it to have the nicest layout for me and easy to type. Just yesterday uninstalled it though as it got a bit irritating putting people on hold or the mic on mute with my ear pressing against the screen. ;)

Where can you find that? I can't seem to find it using either the built-in or the Google search.

[blacksage]

just wanted to say that I have had a very similar problem with my tilt. At one time, when I used dutty's ROM I tried this dialer:

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=365629

With that dialer and the APR 17 ROM that I was using, the dialer worked so well, it was amazing. Fast and accurate!

I have since had to update since it has been so long but, I almost had that good of a dialer with Garmin's DK 5 series naked ROM. It didn't have a skin on it, moved on from that though.

I almost always use the phone without key tones, cause it seem to make it slower, and sometimes I disable smart dial to get it faster and instead use voice command for quick calling (not always practical though).

I just wanted to point out that one thing that has been playing a role in crap dialing is the actual speed and response of the dialer software. I have noticed that the most accurate dials are made with dialers that respond super fast to the touch. You may not realize that sometimes you hit a key, and because it is too slow, it didn't recognize it, not that your too fat, just too fast.

I have very slim fingers and I'm very quick, but I have the same problem yall have, I really think it has a lot to do with speed, I really do.

Try the more basic ROMS
Try disabling the phone skin with advanced config
Try increasing screen sensitivity, touchflow pressure and pressure threshold
Try the big button dialer skin, with skins on i guess, (havn't been excited with installation results :(
Try cleaning and aligning your screen

Some other suggestions:

Try quick menu, OMG, the best little thing I have ever used. I have used home and manilla and some others and none of it really compares. Its kind of like using command prompt instead of using the windows GUI.

It has a task managing system built right into the menu, fully customizable and best of all you can access your programs with in menu style instead of folder style, an amazing improvement. Basically takes the stylus further out of usage. Touch screen is great, but when it doesn't work properly, hardware buttons do the trick! Its also very quick to open, because it doesn't have to load as much on the screen, try it, its simple to install and easy to use. Its a little annoying with manilla but still usable, try it!

Total commander
Mort Saver
Voice Command


sorry for the huge post, maybe somebody will like something in it!

[joel2009]

It has to do with the type of screen and the way it reads more than the skin (although having bigger buttons gives you a bigger target :) )

Try a capacitive touchscreen it your next phone (such as the g1) or use the keyboard

everyone else has pretty much hit the nail on the head though with tweaks.






....and one more thing JESUS CHRIST! has this thread attracted all the loonies or what, the whole first page has random post and mod edits hahaha i had almost no hope for this thread after reading the first page! :)

[badbert]

push phone on (green button)
turn phone sideways
slide phone open
use silver keys

why am I telling you this,because if some of you don't know... when the phone is on the number keys are already recognized (no pushing "Fn")
and just like a regular (button type) phone, your fingers can feel where they are and you can dial without looking!! Since I learned this trick, I don't use any skins, just the stock dialer and it is much faster!

Try it for awhile and you will never try to use the touchpad again!

[Flapjack]

Funny to see this thread come back up...

Now that I'm a Fuze owner, I can now answer the question in my original post. It's not the dialers, but the phone itself. Even with the same dialer (in most of the M2D ROMs) the Fuze soundly trounces the Tilt with its ability to dial via the onscreen keyboard. I've been using the phone all day now, and have not missed a digit once. With the Tilt, I could hit a number up top, and have a digit from the bottom show up. It got to the point that if I was using the onscreen dialer, that I'd either have to bust out the keyboard/stylus, or hit the "back" button at least 5-6 times.

With the Fuze, I absolutely blast through a number. No matter how fast I hit the numbers (even with sound enabled), or how sloppily I dial, the number always come out exactly how I wanted.

I'm not sure what is so different between the two screens (obviously other than the resolution), but the problem is now gone. Too bad it took buying a new phone to fix....

[OnebadMF]

Pretty sure the Fuze is a capacitive touch screen isnt it

[Flapjack]

Pretty sure the Fuze is a capacitive touch screen isnt it

I'm not sure the difference, to tell you the truth. From what I've heard, there are two types. Not sure on the specifics, but I thought a capacitive touch screen only worked with another electrical source (like the human body).

For instance, my girlfriend's iPhone will not work with a stylus, no matter what you try. The Fuze works with both touch and stylus.

[Suleeto]

iPhone uses electrosensitive screen, not pressure-sensitive like ours. Some ladies with long fingernails complain because iPhone won't sense the nail tips. They make styluses that are designed to provide the signal for electrosensitive screens like the one on the iPhone.

[Wlofea]

push phone on (green button)
turn phone sideways
slide phone open
use silver keys

why am I telling you this,because if some of you don't know... when the phone is on the number keys are already recognized (no pushing "Fn")
and just like a regular (button type) phone, your fingers can feel where they are and you can dial without looking!! Since I learned this trick, I don't use any skins, just the stock dialer and it is much faster!

Try it for awhile and you will never try to use the touchpad again!

winner! great tip, thanQ. thread over move along :D