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kareeem

21st July 2008, 11:40 PM

Wish us ATT users can know if it's going to be picked up or the x1 :\.

nolovelust

21st July 2008, 11:43 PM

north american version has passed your ffc fcc? federal communication ...

AllTheWay

22nd July 2008, 01:43 AM

Wish us ATT users can know if it's going to be picked up or the x1 :\.

99% sure this device will be on AT&T. Some prominent member informed me that they have a AT&T touch pro ROM :)

kareeem

22nd July 2008, 01:48 AM

99% sure this device will be on AT&T. Some prominent member informed me that they have a AT&T touch pro ROM :)
Well I don't know whether to be happy or said :S and i hope the X1 wont outperform it.

cyninger

22nd July 2008, 01:53 AM

kareeem

22nd July 2008, 01:57 AM

Lol, I would say they're that bad :P, however i can imagine them releasing it sometimes in Q4 (October-ish?) or early Q1 of next year.

sangwich

22nd July 2008, 03:34 AM

I thought CDMA version is coming out first for Verizon. or was it for Sprint... I read it somewhere in Engadget or BGR.

herg62123

22nd July 2008, 04:42 AM

this will be called tilt II for at&t. this is a rumor i heard from a friend from at&t wireless side.

Aturayd

22nd July 2008, 04:56 AM

Why does the US seem to get this stuff last? I blame it on the carrier cartel that refuses to adopt the mobile phone industry models the rest of the world has.

cp_kirkley

22nd July 2008, 05:08 AM

If the only experience with HTC i had was my wizard, I'd be all over the Raphael. I paid 588USD for the tilt (off-contract) and get the shaft from them. Now, I'm up for a phone upgrade, and I'd really, really like to get my hands on this device, but I don't know if I trust them anymore.

Still LOOKS kickass, though.

M3XICAN5

22nd July 2008, 07:49 AM

99% sure this device will be on AT&T. Some prominent member informed me that they have a AT&T touch pro ROM :)

well im 100% sure its not

http://www.gsmhelpdesk.nl/en/read.php?id=2918&ch=1

tmobile ftw along with the diamond :D

The Juggler

22nd July 2008, 07:54 AM

Isn't the Raphael/ Touch Pro missing the GSM 850 freq? I thought AT&T uses GSM 850/1900.

Seems like it's made to be a T-mo device. (GSM 900/1800)

kareeem

22nd July 2008, 07:58 AM

well im 100% sure its not

http://www.gsmhelpdesk.nl/en/read.php?id=2918&ch=1

tmobile ftw along with the diamond :D
That hos nothing to do with it. Verizon, Tmobile, and all the US carriers can pick up the phone. Whether another carrier decides to pick it up or not doesn't mean that ATT wont.

AllTheWay

22nd July 2008, 08:40 AM

well im 100% sure its not

http://www.gsmhelpdesk.nl/en/read.php?id=2918&ch=1

tmobile ftw along with the diamond :D

I will prove you wrong in a couple of days.

By your analysis that means the T-Mobile in the USA would have the MDA Vario III which they don't.

shogunmark

23rd July 2008, 05:43 AM

I will prove you wrong in a couple of days.

By your analysis that means the T-Mobile in the USA would have the MDA Vario III which they don't.

i have talked to a certain someone... might not have to wait a couple of days to prove this person wrong...

shogunmark

23rd July 2008, 05:44 AM

Isn't the Raphael/ Touch Pro missing the GSM 850 freq? I thought AT&T uses GSM 850/1900.

Seems like it's made to be a T-mo device. (GSM 900/1800)

there is a rumor that the missing band can be enabled by a radio firmware upgrade!

mrvanx

23rd July 2008, 11:46 AM

there is a rumor that the missing band can be enabled by a radio firmware upgrade!

I would be VERY surprised if the Raph couldnt be sorted out like this, remember the Hermes didnt have necessary bands for telstra in AU which was eventually sorted with a hack to allow the necessary frequency to be used.

Details details people, if AT&T were going to use it i imagine the bands situation would be trivial, im sure they are going to carry it. ;)

GWelker62

23rd July 2008, 01:31 PM

this will be called tilt II for at&t. this is a rumor i heard from a friend from at&t wireless side.

Why would they call it a "Tilt"? The Touch Pro's screen doesn't tilt like the Kaiser does it?

fb401

23rd July 2008, 03:38 PM

I can only assume, AT&T will need to have their own "uniquely named" device and not the vanilla Touch Pro the rest of the world will enjoy. This in itself will add 6 months to any official release date of the Raphael in North America. I hope I'm wrong.

You and I can hope but I'm 98% sure you're right. Trends point to AT&T releasing this sometime next year, as to not disturb the X1 and without the front facing cam. Right now it seems like Sprint is going to get this first as they're getting the Diamond sometime in September.

mrvanx

23rd July 2008, 05:32 PM

OK well lets just say in a matter of days we shall see if AT&T WILL be carrying the Raphael..............or not. ;)

Belizibub

23rd July 2008, 06:21 PM

Found this on mobileburn.

HTC says that the Touch Pro will be available across Europe, Asia, and the Middle East by late summer. Version for North America and South America are due out later in the year.

and on http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2008/07/01/att-roadmap-leaks-out/

Looking for your AT&T fix for the remainder of 2008? We’ve got you covered. The carrier has a number of exciting new handsets planned for the coming months, which should be good news for both the carrier and consumers. Everyone loves selection, right? Right. First up, AT&T is planning to release the BlackBerry Curve 8320 (yeah, we’re scratching our heads too), and the BlackBerry Bold by the end of Q3. On the Windows Mobile side of things, AT&T is planning to drop the Samsung BlackJack III, which should see Windows Mobile 6.1, a 528 MHz processor, 3MP camera, aGPS, and more. Look for a new Pantech Duo sporting Windows Mobile 6.1, GPS, HSDPA, and a 528MHz processor. They also alluded to an HTC Tilt replacement, tentatively dubbed the Tilt II, which should feature a Qualcomm 528 MHz processor, aGPS, HSDPA, 256MB ROM/ 128MB, and more. Touch Pro anyone? Expect to see all three of those by Q4 of this year. Excited yet? Yeah, we thought so, but why stop here. AT&T is also planning a slew of Windows Mobile 6.1 upgrades for existing handsets. The current Pantech Duo should see 6.1 by October, while the BlackJack II, Moto Q9h, and AT&T Tilt will get the royal treatment by July.

herg62123

24th July 2008, 09:40 AM

look here all

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=2442636#post2442636

kareeem

25th July 2008, 09:57 PM

Does anybody know if the Raphael will have the accelerometer in it? I heard from somebody that they're not including it :|.

The Juggler

27th July 2008, 01:21 AM

there is a rumor that the missing band can be enabled by a radio firmware upgrade!

Looks like there are radio upgrades to add quad band functionality to the Diamond. I also re-reviewed the HTC site and it appears that it is comes stock as a quad band phone. I don't know how I missed that the other 10 times I read through the specs. Was it updated?

http://www.htc.com/www/product.aspx?id=49524

dgpurvis

27th July 2008, 01:45 AM

Looks like there are radio upgrades to add quad band functionality to the Diamond. I also re-reviewed the HTC site and it appears that it is comes stock as a quad band phone. I don't know how I missed that the other 10 times I read through the specs. Was it updated?

Yes, it was. Only a couple of days ago too.

dgpurvis

27th July 2008, 01:49 AM

Does anybody know if the Raphael will have the accelerometer in it? I heard from somebody that they're not including it :|.

According to HTC it does:

If you need a wide screen, simply tilt the Touch Pro sideways and the page switches to landscape view.

http://www.htc.com/www/product.aspx?id=49518

Raspster

29th July 2008, 03:56 AM

well im 100% sure its not

http://www.gsmhelpdesk.nl/en/read.php?id=2918&ch=1

tmobile ftw along with the diamond :D

It is coming to at&t

Inside buddy (at&t employee) FTW!

herg62123

29th July 2008, 06:39 AM

tring to find out...it is like tring to get into fort knox when the entire army navi air force and marines are there for a family reunion.

still trying to find out.

mandaryn

29th July 2008, 10:57 AM

well im 100% sure its not

http://www.gsmhelpdesk.nl/en/read.php?id=2918&ch=1

tmobile ftw along with the diamond :D

The T-Mobile mentioned in the article you are directing us to, is the European T-Mobile. Not sure if you knew, but T-Mobile is a German company...and frequently releases phones in their European markets that we never see in the anemic, 3g lacking, T-Mobile of the US. The conference in which this announcement was made was in munchen (sorry for the lack of umlaut). Get your atlas out and see if that's anywhere near Ohio, pal.....

Sorry, but you are certain of only one thing...misinterpreting an online article.

stpete111

29th July 2008, 11:02 PM

1. Tilt II, as mentioned, would be a stupid name. The screen of the Touch Pro doesn't tilt.
2. The Touch Pro has 512MB ROM/256MB RAM , not 256/128, as mentioned in post #21 above. Likely an innocent misprint caused by early lack of info, but still, makes you wonder.

I really can't believe that AT&T would consider calling this the Tilt II. That's hilarious. That would be like releasing a HTC Windows Mobile Standard smartphone (non-touchscreen) and calling it the Touch II.

Raspster

30th July 2008, 04:15 AM

According to HTC it does:

http://www.htc.com/www/product.aspx?id=49518

I just checked this yesterday and it said QUAD BAND and it did NOT have the euro/asia in front of the listed bands. It only had euro/asia listed for the 900/2100. Now today it has euro/asia in front of the quad bands. I'm confused.... If I buy it and use it in the US with AT&T, will I get EDGE and 3G..? As of yesterday I was under the impression I would, now today I'm not too sure. Also, the expansys US site even offers an AT&T bundle package...?!

dgpurvis

30th July 2008, 10:08 AM

I just checked this yesterday and it said QUAD BAND and it did NOT have the euro/asia in front of the listed bands. It only had euro/asia listed for the 900/2100. Now today it has euro/asia in front of the quad bands. I'm confused.... If I buy it and use it in the US with AT&T, will I get EDGE and 3G..? As of yesterday I was under the impression I would, now today I'm not too sure. Also, the expansys US site even offers an AT&T bundle package...?!

If you buy the current (EMEA) version as detailed on the HTC site then you will be able to use it on any GSM network in the US, you will be able to get EDGE connection, but you will not be able to use UMTS/3G/HSDPA. The Euro/Asia label has probably been added to make it clear that this isn't the best model for American use.

Raspster

30th July 2008, 04:53 PM

I figured as much. Now my only question is if I use the AT&T version ROM that I beleivebcan already be downloaded, will it correct the issue and allow 3g in the US.

dgpurvis

30th July 2008, 05:04 PM

I figured as much. Now my only question is if I use the AT&T version ROM that I beleivebcan already be downloaded, will it correct the issue and allow 3g in the US.

No. There's no guarantee that the UMTS radio can even handle the necessary 3G bands, but even if it can you'd need it to be specifically enabled. The AT&T ROM won't do it by itself.

ez345

30th July 2008, 05:11 PM

No. There's no guarantee that the UMTS radio can even handle the necessary 3G bands, but even if it can you'd need it to be specifically enabled. The AT&T ROM won't do it by itself.

Even if this ROM wont allow the 3g bands to be unlocked im sure a cooked up version will arise shortly after the release.....its been said here and a few other places that the hardware between the EU and US versions will be identical, only the firmware will be restricting the extra bands

dgpurvis

30th July 2008, 05:22 PM

Even if this ROM wont allow the 3g bands to be unlocked im sure a cooked up version will arise shortly after the release.....its been said here and a few other places that the hardware between the EU and US versions will be identical, only the firmware will be restricting the extra bands

Quite possibly. Interestingly HTC have implied that the UMTS radio *can* be tri-band - to enable the upcoming third European UMTS band.

mrvanx

30th July 2008, 06:15 PM

Yes apparently (ive seen this on...lol....wikipedia) but other sources and senior members have said the Raph will be released at a Raph100 (normal GSM/UMTS version) and the Raph800 (CDMA version).....the US and EU hardware is the same and the only differences likely to affect the bands are the radio stacks they use. The 850 GSM band wasnt present on the Hermes when it was released but this was later enabled in software via the updated radio stacks.

Raspster

30th July 2008, 06:33 PM

so it looks like there is hope then. I want to buy this bad boy now and I guess I can live with edge if it's not up with the AT&T rom or stock rom at release although I have a feeling that if I plugnin the rom that was provided for download for the AT&T rom that it will open the 3g in the US as it includes the different radio..? Thanks for all the info guys.

KyleK29

30th July 2008, 06:58 PM

Given AT&T's track record, they usually update this line of phones every Sept/Oct. - and usually the phone is really really cheap around black friday at their stores (the Tilt was $199 w/activation).

Raspster

30th July 2008, 07:18 PM

true. I would much rather have the unlocked HTC version. I just wish they would have made it universal like the kaiser. I hope it's as simple as appling the AT&T rom.

stpete111

30th July 2008, 08:31 PM

I could be wrong, but I really was under the impression that the radio hardware is different for the different data bands. I know the 850 mhz band was activated in the Rom for other phones, but I understood that to only apply to voice calls. I think data is different and requires different hardware. I could be wrong, but I read that.

l33tphreak

2nd August 2008, 06:10 AM

SCSweeps

2nd August 2008, 07:57 AM

I contacted a friend of mine who works at a RadioShack location in suburban Philly and was told that their store has already received some stock (between a dozen and two dozen handsets) for the employees to "familiarize themselves with" before release so they could better sell them to the customers. He said the boxes had been marked "Do Not Display Until September" on the tape seal. He seems to think they are going to release this in conjunction with their big AT&T Mobile TV service which has been quite hush-hush from what I've seen.

I'm already up for contract renewal and told him I'd definitely be waiting until Sept to pick one up.

I work at RadioShack in a different state and I definitely have not heard of this. I assume it may be a regional thing, but something I have no knowledge of. I might be out of the loop or something. :(

Has the GSM/UMTS Touch Pro even passed the FCC yet?

herg62123

2nd August 2008, 08:00 AM

According to an AT&T Wireless retail store employee in Pennsylvania today, she could not give me definitive information regarding the Touch Pro because her manager said she wasn't allowed to discuss it. She tried pawning me off on the BlackBerry Bold or the new Nokia that they are going to carry the end of August.

I contacted a friend of mine who works at a RadioShack location in suburban Philly and was told that their store has already received some stock (between a dozen and two dozen handsets) for the employees to "familiarize themselves with" before release so they could better sell them to the customers. He said the boxes had been marked "Do Not Display Until September" on the tape seal. He seems to think they are going to release this in conjunction with their big AT&T Mobile TV service which has been quite hush-hush from what I've seen.

I'm already up for contract renewal and told him I'd definitely be waiting until Sept to pick one up.

i work for at&t....i seen the latest price sheets from 8-1-2008 to 9-20-2008.

new handsets are place on the price sheets but have a lauch date on them.

the touch pro is not on the price sheets through the 20th of sept.

my guess it will be out late oct/early nov like the tilt last year.

second....again the blackberry bold and any new nokia device is not listed on the price sheet either.

i can say there is a new lg phone, a new samsung bar phone, a new sony ericsson slider, and 2 new usb data cards listed as new devices coming between 8-1 and 9-20. nothing else listed as new devices at this time.

one more thing, at&t mobile tv is already out in select markets.

stpete111

4th August 2008, 11:39 PM

I contacted a friend of mine who works at a RadioShack location in suburban Philly and was told that their store has already received some stock (between a dozen and two dozen handsets) for the employees to "familiarize themselves with" before release so they could better sell them to the customers. He said the boxes had been marked "Do Not Display Until September" on the tape seal.

Either your friend is talking about the CDMA Diamond (set to launch for Sprint at Radio Shack on September 2nd) or he's just plain full of it (or confused). The Touch Pro has not even passed the FCC yet. I guarantee you nothing is shipping to Radio Shack that hasn't passed the FCC.

dgpurvis

5th August 2008, 12:14 AM

Either your friend is talking about the CDMA Diamond (set to launch for Sprint at Radio Shack on September 2nd) or he's just plain full of it (or confused). The Touch Pro has not even passed the FCC yet. I guarantee you nothing is shipping to Radio Shack that hasn't passed the FCC.

*ahem*

Touch Pro CDMA (30/06) - http://gullfoss2.fcc.gov/oetcf/eas/reports/ViewExhibitReport.cfm?mode=Exhibits&RequestTimeout=500&calledFromFrame=N&application_id=836024&fcc_id=%27NM8RAPH800%27

Touch Pro GSM (25/07) - https://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/oetcf/eas/reports/ViewExhibitReport.cfm?mode=Exhibits&RequestTimeout=500&calledFromFrame=N&application_id=401326&fcc_id='NM8RPLV'

stpete111

5th August 2008, 06:28 PM

*ahem*

Touch Pro CDMA (30/06) - http://gullfoss2.fcc.gov/oetcf/eas/reports/ViewExhibitReport.cfm?mode=Exhibits&RequestTimeout=500&calledFromFrame=N&application_id=836024&fcc_id=%27NM8RAPH800%27

Touch Pro GSM (25/07) - https://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/oetcf/eas/reports/ViewExhibitReport.cfm?mode=Exhibits&RequestTimeout=500&calledFromFrame=N&application_id=401326&fcc_id='NM8RPLV'

Ok, those are submission dates. So this proves what?

dgpurvis

5th August 2008, 06:58 PM

Ok, those are submission dates. So this proves what?

Yes, they are submission dates. The documents are taken from the 'authorization granted' lists, i.e. those items that have been certified, i.e. those that have 'passed the FCC' as people put it. The formal grant date for the GSM Raphael was actually 25/07. For the CDMA Raphael 30/06.

So the answer to your question would be:

It proves that the Touch Pro, in both incarnations, has 'passed the FCC'.

stpete111

5th August 2008, 08:26 PM

Yes, they are submission dates. The documents are taken from the 'authorization granted' lists, i.e. those items that have been certified, i.e. those that have 'passed the FCC' as people put it. The formal grant date for the GSM Raphael was actually 25/07. For the CDMA Raphael 30/06.

So the answer to your question would be:

It proves that the Touch Pro, in both incarnations, has 'passed the FCC'.

Ok, fair enough. I was under the impression that a cleared report or some indication of all tests passed had to be included on that page, but I believe you.

I still think l33tphreak's Radio Shack friend is getting the Diamond and the Touch Pro confused. :)

dgpurvis

5th August 2008, 09:04 PM

Ok, fair enough. I was under the impression that a cleared report or some indication of all tests passed had to be included on that page, but I believe you.

I think people often get confused by the reference to 'submission' dates, thinking it means submission for testing. In fact the dates are those that the documents are submitted to the database of granted authorisations. Some companies are very good at getting products into the shops even before *any* of their FCC documentation appears on the database.

cliffgardner

5th August 2008, 09:17 PM

north american version has passed your ffc fcc? federal communication ...

It has for CDMA...

punkcell

5th August 2008, 09:25 PM

punkcell

5th August 2008, 09:37 PM

A little bit more info: http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2008/08/05/more-details-on-htcs-touch-diamond-touch-pro-for-verizon-and/

StaticPlaya

5th August 2008, 09:56 PM

Black93300ZX

6th August 2008, 01:03 AM

It has for CDMA...

The Touch Diamond AND Touch Pro for both CDMA and GSM have all passed FCC at this time.

mystikal87

6th August 2008, 09:40 AM

Just my thoughts

Why call it a Tilt II when it can't even tilt?

And from what i gather so far is that both the diamond and the raphael are quad band capable. Which makes me think. Wont we all at XDA have a good time working our skills and magic on these phones? :D

stpete111

6th August 2008, 05:06 PM

Here is some more:

More information on Touch Diamond and Raphael for both Sprint and Verizon (http://www.phonearena.com/htmls/More-information-on-Touch-Diamond-and-Raphael-for-both-Sprint-and-Verizon-article-a_3021.html)

So it IS possible to have a Touch Diamond with a storage card slot! The president of HTC made it sound like there was just no more room left to squeeze a card slot into the Diamond. This was the only reason I was going to go Raphael over Diamond, b/c 4GB in the Diamond with no ability to expand just isn't enough storage for me. I wonder if the US GSM version of the Diamond will include a card slot??? I'm guessing not, but if it does, that would likely bring me back to the Diamond over the Raphael.

stpete111

6th August 2008, 05:08 PM

Why call it a Tilt II when it can't even tilt?

Exactly my thought. Who knows, maybe the AT&T version WILL tilt. I doubt it, but it wouldn't be the first time that HTC actually modded hardware for AT&T (i.e. front-facing camera always removed).

Black93300ZX

6th August 2008, 05:13 PM

Tilt II was only used by AT&T in their up-and-coming devices list as a temporary name to classify it under (we still have NO indication that it refers to the Raphael, just blind assumption). No intentions of releasing as such, or so I hope.

The Verizon Diamond will have MicroSD instead of 4GB fixed.

US release for Sprint Diamond is Sept 2, Verizon ~1 month behind.

Sprint Touch Pro early Oct, Verizon again ~1 month behind.

demonizator

6th August 2008, 06:48 PM

I wonder if the US GSM version of the Diamond will include a card slot???
Who knows, maybe the AT&T version WILL tilt.
Both these are soooo unlikely...

;)

Black93300ZX

6th August 2008, 08:02 PM

Both these are soooo unlikely...

;)

Don't speak so quickly, the Verizon CDMA version of the Diamond will come with a MicroSDHC slot instead of 4GB fixed memory. As for the tilt, I'll agree with you that it probably won't. If it does, I'm buying a European Raphael (which I'll probably do anyhow).

kareeem

6th August 2008, 08:04 PM

Don't speak so quickly, the Verizon CDMA version of the Diamond will come with a MicroSDHC slot instead of 4GB fixed memory. As for the tilt, I'll agree with you that it probably won't. If it does, I'm buying a European Raphael (which I'll probably do anyhow).
Lol, could have sworn i recalled you saying that before :P

I'd rather have an extended memory slot instead of the built in 4gb. The Euro version is going to be rocket high in the price :O.

demonizator

6th August 2008, 08:26 PM

Don't speak so quickly, the Verizon CDMA version of the Diamond will come with a MicroSDHC slot instead of 4GB fixed memory.
Is this an official statement? I read the quoted articles but sounds to me more like preliminary info. And I don't trust these a lot...

:confused:

SuperRob

7th August 2008, 12:46 AM

naveen

7th August 2008, 02:00 AM

From what I've gathered, the accellerometer is the reason why AT&T will call the Touch Pro the "Tilt II". Since you can just tilt it to change from portrait to landscape.

I think that will cause some confusion, but we'll see how it goes.

wow, i never thought about it in that fashion. if you look at it from that point of view i guess it can be the tilt II

Black93300ZX

7th August 2008, 02:06 AM

Is this an official statement? I read the quoted articles but sounds to me more like preliminary info. And I don't trust these a lot...

:confused:

Absolutely, here you go:

I don't lie. (http://www.phonearena.com/htmls/More-information-on-Touch-Diamond-and-Raphael-for-both-Sprint-and-Verizon-article-a_3021.html)

Note: VZW version has better frame, but half the RAM... Also has no accelerometer. Gonna be pretty lame, a Diamond without a G-force sensor. VZW users might want to wait for an unlocked version to release so they don't have to deal with the shortcomings, that or switch to Sprint. Also, keep in mind the release dates... Sprint will get a month of exclusivity, so that means VZW's devices launch at least a month later. Lame.

sdlopez83

7th August 2008, 07:47 AM

All that Ive gathered here in this long long thread.... Is that no one here knows SHIT!!!

Everything gets contradicted... and opinions get misconstrued for facts

demonizator

7th August 2008, 09:06 AM

Absolutely, here you go:

I don't lie. (http://www.phonearena.com/htmls/More-information-on-Touch-Diamond-and-Raphael-for-both-Sprint-and-Verizon-article-a_3021.html)

Note: VZW version has better frame, but half the RAM... Also has no accelerometer. Gonna be pretty lame, a Diamond without a G-force sensor. VZW users might want to wait for an unlocked version to release so they don't have to deal with the shortcomings, that or switch to Sprint. Also, keep in mind the release dates... Sprint will get a month of exclusivity, so that means VZW's devices launch at least a month later. Lame.
Look, I don't say you lie. And I said I read that. But:

Please keep in mind we cannot guarantee this information is correct, as it is not official. It is possible that the names or the specifications of the models change with their announcement.

source: LessthanZach and Ken, and anonymous PhoneArena readers

So it's all speculations so far. I guess we have to wait and see.

Black93300ZX

7th August 2008, 09:09 AM

naveen

8th August 2008, 07:20 AM

Well, I think the release date is the only thing that really may change... But of course, until the phone is on shelves here in the states, nothing is written in stone. Theoretically Verizon could drop the devices altogether, and leave Sprint as the only US CDMA carrier with the Diamond and Raphael... but, odds are, it won't happen.

that happens alot. there have been a couple of times when a phone is ready to come out for att and it has been cancelled on the last second because something has happened.

Black93300ZX

8th August 2008, 07:23 AM

naveen

8th August 2008, 07:25 AM

Regardless, both Sprint and Verizon knew they had to cut costs (nobody in the US is buying a $650 Diamond when the iPhone is $199) and they went about it in 2 different ways. Sprint made an aluminum frame, not stainless steel... Verizon removed the 4GB memory (which in my opinion is a blessing) and put MicroSD, as well as cutting the accelerometer out and cutting the RAM in half (both of which I hope are false).

verizon is notorius for crippling their phones. it does not matter what phone it is they have to cut something out to hurt the consumer. sprint on the other hand has to have every single feature avaialbe on a phone right now so they can attract new customers and keep the ones that they have.

dabs

8th August 2008, 01:52 PM

Hi all,

Got my Raphael this morning, are there any outstanding questions about the device? Im not going to be flashing it, but can answer any questions on the hardware and software...

gaz@usgermanlawyers.com

8th August 2008, 03:22 PM

Can you "cook" a Raphael to have the band 1700 available?

gaz@usgermanlawyers.com

8th August 2008, 03:25 PM

Hi all,

Got my Raphael this morning, are there any outstanding questions about the device? Im not going to be flashing it, but can answer any questions on the hardware and software...
Please let me know where you get it and what the price is. In our offices we need about six of them. Can you make it happen that the band 1700 (T-Mobile) is working on the Raphael? Is it quadband with Edge?

l33tphreak

11th August 2008, 09:56 AM

I got bored tonight so I decided to scour the FCC database and see what I could find for documentation releases or perhaps some diagrams. I'm the kind of geek that could read device schematics in the bath tub and call it relaxing. :D This gives me a good estimated picture of potential release time-frames. However, be aware that a company can submit to modify a previously submitted document - meaning HTC could ask to modify or rescind any confidentiality requests at any time. Also be cautioned that any specs listed as comparisons between carriers is directly relative to the carrier-specific software which will undoubtedly cripple some aspects of the non-carrier-specific device specifications.

HTC Code: RAPH100

FCC ID: NM8RPLV
Date Submitted to FCC: 07/24/2008
All of the documentation has been uploaded to the FCC from what I can tell, but there is a confidentiality request to suppress the schematic diagram, block diagram, part list, theory of operation, tune-up procedure, external photos, internal photos, test setup photos, and provider specific user manuals until after November 30, 2008.

HTC Code: RAPH800

FCC ID: NM8RAPH800
Date Submitted to FCC: 06/30/2008
All of the documentation has been uploaded to the FCC from what I can tell, but there is a confidentiality request to suppress the electrical schematics of the circuity, block diagram, part lists, operational description, tune-up procedure, operational description (antenna), external photos, internal photos, test setup photos, and provider specific user manuals until after October 19, 2008.

Seeing that PDAdb.net lists the 800 as CDMA and the 100 as GSM, this leads me to believe that CDMA providers will most likely have the device first. Nobody is 100% sure, but I'm under the opinion that the FCC confidentiality release date would be a good indicator of the time frame we need to focus on. I remembered a rumor I found a few nights ago that the major US carrier releases would all be slightly different (link (http://www.uberphones.com/2008/08/htc/htc_touch_pro_on_sprint_and_verizon/)). Disappointing for the VZW crowd seeing they will lack the accelerometer that allows for auto-screen correction with movement - that will also prohibit other features like the ability to turn the device face down on a flat surface to silence an alarm or silence the ringer of an incoming call without sending the caller directly to voicemail. :eek: Sucks to be them because when compared to Sprint's CDMA model "Herman", VZW users are supposedly getting half the RAM (128mb vs 256mb), and a slower processor (400Mhz vs 528Mhz). However both CDMA models will feature the aluminum frame as opposed to a stainless steel frame that the non-carrier-specific model was originally designed around.

According to phonearena.com, Sprint has an estimated release date around October 2 which puts it within a two week window of the FCC's confidentiality agreement expiration date of October 19 (link (http://www.phonearena.com/htmls/HTC-Touch-Raphael-phone-pa_2846.html)). This leads me to think that Sprint customers will definitely see the Raphael in October, probably mid-month. PhoneArena.com lists the VZW and non-carrier-specific GSM models but both of those entries lack estimated release dates (VZW link (http://www.phonearena.com/htmls/HTC-Raphael-phone-pa_3056.html)) (GSM link (http://www.phonearena.com/htmls/HTC-Touch-Pro-phone-pa_2879.html)).

Make of this what you will, nothing is really written in stone as of this point. I will be keeping my eye out for further information as it becomes available, at this point I have gotten AT&T to admit they will carry it sometime in Q4 but I cannot get any solid dates confirmed or denied. I checked with my friend who works at a RadioShack in Philadelphia, PA and he confirmed they have received information regarding both the Diamond and the Touch Pro models but again, no solid release dates just a generic "sometime before xmas". I'm going to hold out until November if that's what it takes to get an AT&T one, I suppose then I'll just make it a to-me-from-me gift :p:cool:

On a wishful thinking note: it would be something if HTC was just using the FCC confidentiality request as a misdirection attempt and some random day between now and the end dates they would have it rescinded and release it as a surprise...

kareeem

11th August 2008, 09:59 AM

In case you guys haven't seen the post, it seems that the first Raphael (promo) was purchased today. Check it out here (http://forums.wireless.att.com/cng/board/message?board.id=cingular&thread.id=94686). I do talk with the guy and it is legit. He's an ATT user and will get it on Tuesday.

Black93300ZX

11th August 2008, 10:01 AM

KyleK29

11th August 2008, 11:22 PM

While I was getting my Tilt replaced under warranty, I talked with the techs (distribution center) about the "Tilt II". They said early December. Going off the track record (and the exclusive agreement with Sprint for 1month), I would say a mid-November is most likely, as this fits with previous releases (8925, 8525, 8125) and would be just in time for the holiday shopping season to start (Black Friday).

Just thought I'd throw that out there. Good news is, I've got my upgrade already just waiting to be used, so I'm free to get it when it comes out.

michalopoulosgk

12th August 2008, 12:28 AM

Heh, I posted it on XDev too. :)

Does it run on 3G on AT&T? It is one question nobody seems to be able to conclusively answer....

Black93300ZX

12th August 2008, 01:02 AM

Does it run on 3G on AT&T? It is one question nobody seems to be able to conclusively answer....

This version does, yes, because it's a pre-release model for AT&T. The entire user interface is changed, still has TouchFlo3D but with AT&T logos everywhere... I don't mind too much, I love AT&T and have used them for 8+ years for wireless now. :)

michalopoulosgk

12th August 2008, 01:29 AM

This version does, yes, because it's a pre-release model for AT&T. The entire user interface is changed, still has TouchFlo3D but with AT&T logos everywhere... I don't mind too much, I love AT&T and have used them for 8+ years for wireless now. :)

Is this the same as the one publicly advertised at
http://www.popularelect.com/product_...ab=2&osCsid=10

Black93300ZX

12th August 2008, 01:31 AM

Is this the same as the one publicly advertised at
http://www.popularelect.com/product_...ab=2&osCsid=10

I have no clue, after I posted on here that I bought it it's been on engadget, pocketnow, lots of sites picked it up... Engadget called my claim "sketchy" and "dodgy", I don't really know what to say to that. :-P

DeniaL

12th August 2008, 02:06 AM

From my inside source at AT&T...it should be Out for AT&T in late November. It will be called the "AT&T Fusion." Not the Tilt II. It will work with 3G as well. I can't say where I got the information, just know that I trust him implicitly. You can believe me or not. That's all the info I got though.

michalopoulosgk

12th August 2008, 02:10 AM

I have no clue, after I posted on here that I bought it it's been on engadget, pocketnow, lots of sites picked it up... Engadget called my claim "sketchy" and "dodgy", I don't really know what to say to that. :-P

I personally appreciate your sincerity and your willingness to share. Thank you for all the information! If the commercial source I mentioned before can truly deliver, we will know about these issues in a couple of weeks.

Black93300ZX

12th August 2008, 02:27 AM

I personally appreciate your sincerity and your willingness to share. Thank you for all the information! If the commercial source I mentioned before can truly deliver, we will know about these issues in a couple of weeks.

All I'm really going to be pissed about is if they removed the accelerometer. If that's the case, I'll probably resell the device at a cut and buy the Euro version.

Doug2873

12th August 2008, 02:59 AM

I have no clue, after I posted on here that I bought it it's been on engadget, pocketnow, lots of sites picked it up... Engadget called my claim "sketchy" and "dodgy", I don't really know what to say to that. :-P

Engadget is garbage anyways...too many Apple fanboys. Gizmodo is much better :). Give us a rundown when you get it, and see if the ROM is the same as the one that's dumped on here.

bersca

12th August 2008, 04:07 AM

Black93300ZX

12th August 2008, 04:11 AM

Its decision time. I live in Florida and use AT&T. Preordered from Clove who just notified me stock will arrive on 8/18 and now I need to confirm if I still want it and cough up the $$$$. Any late breaking news at this time on the 3g radio issue for 850/1900 bands?

For the Raphael? I've thought from the beginning that flashing the AT&T ROM onto any Raphael will get you 850/1900 3G bands... It has all the hardware as far as we know. With the Diamond, it's missing the radio (had to be removed to make it smaller) so it can't be done.

kareeem

12th August 2008, 04:12 AM

It can't really be called the "Tilt II" since it doesn't even "tilt."

CalifornIyay

12th August 2008, 07:41 AM

Its decision time. I live in Florida and use AT&T. Preordered from Clove who just notified me stock will arrive on 8/18 and now I need to confirm if I still want it and cough up the $$$$. Any late breaking news at this time on the 3g radio issue for 850/1900 bands?

Hey whats upper?
Just wondering what was the total cost w/shipping from Clove? Also if the phone is a triband or quadband, isnt there a rom update that corrects that so we can get the 3G & 850/1900 from att?
Thanks..

merten3000

12th August 2008, 08:03 AM

For the Raphael? I've thought from the beginning that flashing the AT&T ROM onto any Raphael will get you 850/1900 3G bands... It has all the hardware as far as we know. With the Diamond, it's missing the radio (had to be removed to make it smaller) so it can't be done.

Dude, I thought you knew for sure, but now I see some doubt in your post ;)
Is there some whizzkid who can check the FCC if the hardware contains all radio's? Or is FCC just for the U.S. brands.

Anyway somebody must know if the hardware is capable.
And there are some raphael's around now. Flash the AT&T rom and we will know more....

Enlight us please......

Black93300ZX

12th August 2008, 08:33 AM

Dude, I thought you knew for sure, but now I see some doubt in your post ;)
Is there some whizzkid who can check the FCC if the hardware contains all radio's? Or is FCC just for the U.S. brands.

Anyway somebody must know if the hardware is capable.
And there are some raphael's around now. Flash the AT&T rom and we will know more....

Enlight us please......

I'm sure enough that I was going to spend $950 of my own money on a preorder and try it, but obviously now I don't have to. I'm not sure enough to risk that much of someone else's money.

The FCC documents show no signs of UMTS/HSDPA whatsoever, sorry.

Check em out here (https://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/oetcf/eas/reports/ViewExhibitReport.cfm?mode=Exhibits&RequestTimeout=500&calledFromFrame=N&application_id=633668&fcc_id=%27NM8RPLV%27)

merten3000

12th August 2008, 09:38 AM

I'm sure enough that I was going to spend $950 of my own money on a preorder and try it, but obviously now I don't have to. I'm not sure enough to risk that much of someone else's money.

The FCC documents show no signs of UMTS/HSDPA whatsoever, sorry.

Check em out here (https://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/oetcf/eas/reports/ViewExhibitReport.cfm?mode=Exhibits&RequestTimeout=500&calledFromFrame=N&application_id=633668&fcc_id=%27NM8RPLV%27)

The FCC is a U.S. government department isn't it?
So the european specs (and so radio specs) will not be found there at all....

Black93300ZX

12th August 2008, 09:40 AM

The FCC is a U.S. government department isn't it?
So the european specs (and so radio specs) will not be found there at all....

Yeah but HTC likes to run their devices through the FCC regardless of intended market... 3 Diamonds have passed FCC... GSM European, GSM North American, and CDMA North American. Don't ask why, I have no clue.

bersca

12th August 2008, 01:55 PM

Hey whats upper?
Just wondering what was the total cost w/shipping from Clove? Also if the phone is a triband or quadband, isnt there a rom update that corrects that so we can get the 3G & 850/1900 from att?
Thanks..

Cost is $896 with shipping, ouch. I paid an extra 5 pounds to have it shipped via DHL, usually arrives within a couple days. They are now reporting the Touch Pro is in stock. So I expect I will probably have it by Thursday or Friday. I'm taking a little bit of a chance not knowing for sure if I will be able to use 3G on it after upgrading to the A&T ROM. I'm more confident, however, that it will be quadband for GSM (check the specs on HTC's (http://www.htc.com/www/product.aspx?id=49524) website).

shoong512

12th August 2008, 06:13 PM

why is at&t getting everything. it's a monopoly i tell ya.

Foxfirebass

12th August 2008, 09:57 PM

I was excited to get a Tilt only to find out our contract runs out on Christmas day. However, if this all works out, maybe it's for the best. ;)

herg62123

16th August 2008, 05:55 PM

****good news****

htc fuze aka at&t touch pro coming sooner than we thought.

i just got word that this device is due between now and end of sept.

naveen

16th August 2008, 07:14 PM

****good news****

htc fuze aka at&t touch pro coming sooner than we thought.

i just got word that this device is due between now and end of sept.

good news! i just dont understand why att changed the keyboard layout.:confused:

herg62123

16th August 2008, 07:29 PM

good news! i just dont understand why att changed the keyboard layout.:confused:

i am trying to find out!

the reason i can think of is to either keep the keypad like tilt, 8525, and 8125 a like, or to stop people from using other unlocking the cid and use other roms. this is my opinnion and mine alone.

lbhocky19

16th August 2008, 08:03 PM

i am trying to find out!

the reason i can think of is to either keep the keypad like tilt, 8525, and 8125 a like, or to stop people from using other unlocking the cid and use other roms. this is my opinnion and mine alone.

i like the new layout. i use the symbols alot more than numbers and if you want to use numbers its easier to just shift lock and have them all close and use one finger to hit them. at least for me anyway. and wont have to adjust coming from 8525. i am just glad it slides the same way and not like the tilt i hated that

ilordvader

19th March 2010, 03:20 AM

My Tilt 2
is not syncing contacts anymore :(
its not updateing the contacts i add or updated on my phone
on my PC

I have Windows 7 & Off 2007

Please Help

gmanfuzing

19th March 2010, 06:46 AM

My Tilt 2
is not syncing contacts anymore :(
its not updateing the contacts i add or updated on my phone
on my PC

I have Windows 7 & Off 2007

Please Help

how do you have over 1000 posts and manage to go to the completely wrong section ?

go to the tilt 2 forums please, they will help you there.