Any reviews out yet?

[WDawn]

It's strange that the device is almost in the stores and there are no real in dept reviews from bloggers available? Of did i miss something?

[compact_bijou]

It's strange that the device is almost in the stores and there are no real in dept reviews from bloggers available? Of did i miss something?

My device should be here tomorrow - Review to follow :D

[WDawn]

I'll be anxiously waiting for it! :)

[shamreez]

Me too anxiously waiting for the review...
If it is half as good as HTC claims it would be awesome..

[compact_bijou]

I'll be anxiously waiting for it! :)

You may be waiting a while longer than a day :(

[spzero]

check out gsmarena for a review well worth the read.....

[gospelflyer]

Company reviews are great but you cant beat user reviews.

[Smaniac]

check out gsmarena for a review well worth the read.....

I couldn't find any Touch Pro reviews on gsmarena, only Diamond. Can you please provide a link?

Thanks!

[licht77]

Ok - the T-Mobile Vario 4 aka Raphael:

First impression: smaller and not as heavy as the Kaiser... unlike the HTC version there is not that annoying diamondshaped backcover so that it lies even on the table.

It has still no infrared - so forget about your all-in-one-remote... but: the camlight is back! yiha! Additionally, the camera is a lot faster than on my kaiser!

The usb-jack supports a video-out cable which is not included... and unfortunately it is located now more in the center of the device: so go buy a new active car-holder :(

The keyboard slides out now on the other side again (like Tytn I) and has now 5 rows of very touchy, respondive buttons... hey and there is a ctrl / strg button now!

The Vario 4 HAS a fm Radio and an acceleration sensor!

The rom including its TouchFlo3d is pretty fast... no comparison to my Kaiser.

GPS is on board, but didnt test how fast it gets its fix.

The display with its bigger resolution is very nice - but its a little bit reflective for my taste - and i guess placing a screenprotector on it will vanish its frameless design :(

Its only tri-band, but as long as u stay in good old europe: no problem :) All others need to wait till the end of the year when its released in U.S. as a quadband (not 100% sure about that release date). Browsing with the preinstalled opera in hsdpa is really a fun!

All in all: a very sexy device which kicks the ass of my kaiser as well as all those iphone kids! :-)

PS: Sorry for my english


Edit: I forgot - the 10sec backlight bug is on board, but putting a mortscript into autorun will solve it :)

[nolovelust]

licht77 which t-mobile is it? what country?

[foo]

Browsing with the preinstalled opera in hsdpa is really a fun!
Can you please give a statement about the reception quality of HSDPA/3G compared to your Kaiser? Is it equal, worse of better?
You know there's an issue with the Diamond, but hopefully the different housing/(antenna setup?) could solve this problem for the Touch Pro.

[licht77]

licht77 which t-mobile is it? what country?
T-Mobile Austria



Can you please give a statement about the reception quality of HSDPA/3G compared to your Kaiser? Is it equal, worse of better?
You know there's an issue with the Diamond, but hopefully the different housing/(antenna setup?) could solve this problem for the Touch Pro.

hmm... no issues so far. I am running Tejaks V5 on the kaiser which is damn fast... but i would say the Vario 4 faster somehow. Reception is good too.

[chacu]

@licht77

since you didn't mention it, I take it the screen does not "tilt" when the keyboard is pulled out. :( I really love this feature on my kaiser.

CU,
Chacu

[Smaniac]

@licht77

since you didn't mention it, I take it the screen does not "tilt" when the keyboard is pulled out. :( I really love this feature on my kaiser.

CU,
Chacu

I think it does, it wouldn't make sense at all not to.

[licht77]

I think it does, it wouldn't make sense at all not to.

No, it does not tilt.

[Smaniac]

No, it does not tilt.

But that's when it's vertical right? When it's horizontal the accelerometer tilts it, doesn't it?

[foo]

There is no "tilt" feature for the "Touch Pro" like the "Kaiser" has.
Smaniac, I think you talk about screen orientation (landscape mode). Of course the Touch Pro rotates the screen in general, but "tilt" is something completely different.

[Smaniac]

There is no "tilt" feature for the "Touch Pro" like the "Kaiser" has.
Smaniac, I think you talk about screen orientation (landscape mode). Of course the Touch Pro rotates the screen in general, but "tilt" is something completely different.

Oh lol, now I see what you mean. You mean the screen doesn't physically rotate when keyboard is used. Yes, I knew that, and I think I prefer the 5 row fixed keyboard instead of a 4 row tilting one.

[mrvanx]

I wouldnt be surprised if it was marketed as the "AT&T Touch Pro", or perhaps the AT&T 3525 or similar.

[mbernstein]

licht77,

Could you please confirm: there are many less hardware buttons compared to the kaiser, is this correct? Counting on the Kaiser there are 8 in the front (plus action and dial) plus the side's jog wheel and four side buttons (including power) and from what I saw on the Raphael there are only four in the front (plus action and jog) and the power button on the sides?


And camera: how much it differs in terms of picture quality from the Kaiser?

I thank you.

[licht77]

@Buttons: 4 (Call, End call, Home, Back) on the frontside plus the touchpad/virtual joystick, 2 on the left side and the power button on the top side.

@Cam: Better than Kaiser... also faster and better in the darkness thanks to the light.

Basically - as far as i saw - it is EXACTLY the same device than the Diamond with theese modifications:

o existing keyboard
o instead of 4 GB internal memory there is a microsd slot
o thicker overall housing and the corners a little bit rounder
o usb supports video - out

No fact - just my personal opinion (i am not a developer):
I think that the quad / triband differences between the branded and htc versions is "just" a rom question (wouldnt be very profitable to change assembly / production lines for this one). Same for the Diamond and its missing "video out".

So: Take it as a Diamond with keyboard and MicroSD... basta :-)

[fireblade63]

@ licht77
Before I start asking questions, I would like to show appreciation on all the feedback you provided in this thread.

1)
When you go under buttons in the settings, how many buttons can be reassigned?
Did you try a key mapping program to put more functions to the keys?

2)
How's the speaker sound in comparison with the Kaiser?
I know it's a MONO as well but is it any louder?

3)
Did you test GPS yet?
If yes, how many Satellites did it view?
How long did it need to get a cold fix?

4)
Does it come with a carrying pouch?

5)
Can you zoom in/out WHILE/DURING video recording not prior recording the video??

6)
Can you shoot a video & picture in a fair light and post it?

Thanks in advance

[Black93300ZX]

It's strange that the device is almost in the stores and there are no real in dept reviews from bloggers available? Of did i miss something?

Who said that? We've heard ridiculous release dates that are nowhere near true, I think the funniest one I've seen is August 4th. HTC hasn't announced ANYTHING yet these stores are saying they'd have them in stock yesterday? Right.