Are you guys going to upgrade (soon) to the Touch Diamond?

[dsixda]

Not sure if this has been asked before on this forum, so I'll ask now..

The Touch Diamond has been around for a couple of months now, and will be coming to all countries very soon. Do you guys think it's worth it to make the upgrade from Elf/Elfin to the Diamond?

I guess it all depends on what your needs are. I mean I don't watch videos on it, and I mainly use it for PIMs, documents and GPS.

However, the Diamond has the following features which look very enticing:
- Higher res
- Better procesor
- Better camera
- Integrated GPS (no more Bluetooth receivers!)
- Almost same height but thinner than Elf

PIMs/Camera/GPS/MP3 in one unit is pretty amazing.

I'm thinking of getting a used Elfin (a second one) just for ROM cooking purposes, but now I think I could save that couple hundred dollars on a future Diamond (along with selling my current Elfin to help pay for it).

[sprecker]

I might be. It's a matter of funds and what kind of limitations Rogers puts on getting one. I really don't see a need to upgrade to better phone when I have had to nerf some of the features on my Elfin because Rogers wants my first born child as payment to use them.

[dsixda]

I might be. It's a matter of funds and what kind of limitations Rogers puts on getting one. I really don't see a need to upgrade to better phone when I have had to nerf some of the features on my Elfin because Rogers wants my first born child as payment to use them.

Hmm. Do you think Rogers will get the Touch Diamond? No word yet as far as I can tell. Rogers already has the new iPhone; Bell has the Samsung Instinct, and Telus is coming out with the Touch Diamond.

[DairyKnight]

The 2.8'' screen sounds too small for 640x480 res. Also 65k color is crappy comparing to iPhone.
I think I'll wait for the next model. :p

[dsixda]

The 2.8'' screen sounds too small for 640x480 res. Also 65k color is crappy comparing to iPhone.
I think I'll wait for the next model. :p

Why should it always come down to comparing to the iPhone? It's a great Windows Mobile phone in its own right. And the iPhone is only 480x320 with a bigger screen.

[Baxter]

I'll buy the first NAM 3G device that is as small as the Touch. I've been waiting patiently for a very long time. To answer your question, absofrigginlutely.

[MaroO]

The only thing that worries me about the Touch Diamond in the inavailability of a microSD slot and battery life. That's why I have a penchant for the iPhone 3G at the moment. Is the battery life so terrible?

[badaas]

not convinced by TD, will wait for X1 and omnia ..

[dsixda]

The only thing that worries me about the Touch Diamond in the inavailability of a microSD slot and battery life. That's why I have a penchant for the iPhone 3G at the moment. Is the battery life so terrible?

No MicroSD? Ouch, that sucks, how can we do a backup of our files? I guess the memory is divided into 2 places for storage then.

[gronostaj]

Yes, it's second 4 GB storage visible as Internal Memory.

[dsixda]

Well then, it's really not that bad then

[indiana99]

I just pre-ordered the Touch Pro. I need the microSD.

[dsixda]

I just pre-ordered the Touch Pro. I need the microSD.

Whoa, that keyboard really adds a lot of thickness.

http://www.slashgear.com/htc-touch-pro-aka-raphael-hands-on-video-and-images-2712290.php

[onitalwin]

I currently have the Touch and recently upgraded the ROM...very nice with GPS.

I will definitely upgrade if Sprint will let me keep my retention plan and not switch to the everything plan.

This website says the Touch Diamond will be the best phone of 2008: http://www.mytouch-diamond-phone.com

Anyone disagree? I think I agree...it should be an awesome phone.

[dsixda]

This website says the Touch Diamond will be the best phone of 2008: http://www.mytouch-diamond-phone.com



Well this website is going to be biased for obvious reasons ;)

[gronostaj]

I currently have the Touch and recently upgraded the ROM...very nice with GPS.

I will definitely upgrade if Sprint will let me keep my retention plan and not switch to the everything plan.

This website says the Touch Diamond will be the best phone of 2008: http://www.mytouch-diamond-phone.com

Anyone disagree? I think I agree...it should be an awesome phone.
Yeah, the G-sensor is amazing... have you seen Teeter? Link to video: http://www.vimeo.com/996448

If you have incoming call and you'll turn Diamond screen to bottom it will stop ringing, but won't discard call... great :)

[onitalwin]

This site that says the HTC Touch Diamond will be the best phone of 2008: http://www.mytouch-diamond-phone.com

Does anyone agree or disagree??? I currently have the HTC Touch...great phone. Also does anyone know if Sprint will force me to upgrade to their everything plan or can I keep my current retention plan when I upgrade to the Touch Diamond? Thanks.

[GreenGuava]

I just upgraded from an Atom to an Elf on Monday, so I don't think I'll be moving up to the Touch Diamond any time soon ;-). Personally, these top flight units cost waaay to much money for me to consider being an early adopter. However, if it came down to it and I had to upgrade, I would personally go for the Touch Pro over the Diamond because of the keyboard and microSD slot. The extra thickness isn't that great but I think the keyboard would outweigh that con.

[Marsden1002]

i have a tytn II and are going to swap as soon as the touch pro comes out, the dimond to me seams no better than mine at the moment, and i want a qwerty keyboard like the tytnII

[Elf1n]

The 2.8'' screen sounds too small for 640x480 res. Also 65k color ...
I think I'll wait for the next model. :p

The only thing that worries me about the Touch Diamond in the inavailability of a microSD slot and battery life

I will wait too... i am quiet happy with my 1$ elf ;-)

[oseven]

I will wait too... i am quiet happy with my 1$ elf ;-)

Haha! I thought I got a good deal with £20...

[Baxter]

The Elf is a great device. I've had mine for over a year. I've had it longer than any I've used. It's indestructible and fits perfectly in a jeans pocket. I'll only dump it when a smaller device with 3G comes out - the Diamond.

[indiana99]

Whoa, that keyboard really adds a lot of thickness.

http://www.slashgear.com/htc-touch-pro-aka-raphael-hands-on-video-and-images-2712290.php

Yeah, but I had a T-Mobile MDA before the touch.

[lunarken]

mayb htc victor.

[blasev]

the only reason I won't buy diamond :
my SKINS ( an oily face ), never touch one single diamond yet, but many user report that diamond is finger print MAGNET.

[freaksey]

well actually.. it looks nice, yeah.. but it's pretty expensive. maybe i will "upgrade" later when it is cheaper.

[hk-trotter]

No, I won't buy the Diamond coz it lacks the microSD slot. I use the iGO navigation software and it DEMANDS a memory slot to operate. :(

[Sherby]

No, I won't buy the Diamond coz it lacks the microSD slot. I use the iGO navigation software and it DEMANDS a memory slot to operate. :(
Just to let you know - iGO is working on my Diamond, there's a thread in the Diamond forum which tells you how to get it to work.

It looks lovely on the VGA screen !

[herbert_yu]

too slow just sell my diamond back to my elfin better diamond are slower even the proccesor is fast battery life too short back cover too much thum mark even if i flash the rom to update its stiil a peace of carp htc touch elfin is the best even if it's old model but it's stable and fast small and fit to your hand .....sorry for my english ....

[dsixda]

Just to let you know - iGO is working on my Diamond, there's a thread in the Diamond forum which tells you how to get it to work.

It looks lovely on the VGA screen !

Hmmm have they figured out iGuidance, which also uses the memory card ?? Couldn't find anything when searching the forums. That would be the dealbreaker for me.

[Sherby]

Hmmm have they figured out iGuidance, which also uses the memory card ?? Couldn't find anything when searching the forums. That would be the dealbreaker for me.

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=403325

[becosemsaida]

Why isn't there a memory slot on diamond? Maybe they think that the memory is enough??? I've already tried one but i ended up bying an elf. I don't mind not having gps because i rarely use it i give more importance to wi-fi and bluetooth. The only problem for me is the gprs traffic, here in portugal it's very expensive, and i'm looking for a solution to get gprs "cheaper":D

[dsixda]

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=403325

iGuidance, not iGo...

Unless it's now called the same thing

[gronostaj]

Guys, internal 4GB storage isn't visible as real internal memory but rather as memory card so it wouldn't make problems. It's shown as 'Internal storage' but you can change this name by editing registry to make it <<real>> memory card.

[dsixda]

Guys, internal 4GB storage isn't visible as real internal memory but rather as memory card so it wouldn't make problems. It's shown as 'Internal storage' but you can change this name by editing registry to make it <<real>> memory card.

Is it that simple? So you mean users of iGo can just do the above, and not have to worry about editing the iGo system files to point to "Internal Storage"?

[Sherby]

iGuidance, not iGo...

Unless it's now called the same thing
If you're referring to the turn-by-turn navigation software then it's iGO

I've searched iGuidance and it looks to be the same thing almost.

[gronostaj]

Is it that simple? So you mean users of iGo can just do the above, and not have to worry about editing the iGo system files to point to "Internal Storage"?
I'm not sure but I think so. Storage card can be identified by name or by type of drive (in Diamond it's like normal card). If original, not modified version doesn't work on Diamond, it means that card is identified by name.
Again, I'm not sure and it must be tested by some Diamond user.

[bububang]

Diamond does look nice.. but im waiting for HTC touch find/XDA orbit II

Because it looks smaller :p

[gronostaj]

Diamond does look nice.. but im waiting for HTC touch find/XDA orbit II

Because it looks smaller :p
But there's one problem... laggy video playback, search wiki

[blasev]

But there's one problem... laggy video playback, search wiki

so they didn't make any adjustment, touch find simply rounded touch cruise?
no improvement at all?

[dsixda]

This is a helpful thread.. thanks guys, now it makes me think about my potential purchase a bit more :) Keep the comments coming.

[hotrod101]

Not sure if this has been asked before on this forum, so I'll ask now..

The Touch Diamond has been around for a couple of months now, and will be coming to all countries very soon. Do you guys think it's worth it to make the upgrade from Elf/Elfin to the Diamond?



To answer your question - NO I will not be upgrading to the Diamond - Personally, I am very happy with my touch that I do not feel the need to change. I am not one to change to the newest fun piece of electronics that comes onto the market every time one is released. It would just become to expensive. My phone does everything that I need it to do as it is = and more, so why change.

[Berfurd]

I won't be getting the Diamond. I am going to wait for this to enter the US market. http://www.htc.com/europe/product.aspx?id=64946

[hotrod101]

I won't be getting the Diamond. I am going to wait for this to enter the US market. http://www.htc.com/europe/product.aspx?id=64946

I also would consider this device. Plus - by the time this device is available in Canada, I might be ready for a change. Who knows? I havn't been excited about a new device until I saw the Touch HD. It really looks sweeeeeet

[zepto]

Of course not,may be Touch HD next year..

[zdtouch]

I am fine with the HTC Touch Enhanced - P3452 - Elfin,
I don't need the GPS and there is nothing too special on the latest HTC devices. Ok, the designs are awesome, no doubt. But don't forget all new ones run on Windows Mobile 6.1 which doesn't make any difference.
Spending a fortune for having a better design and a faster CPU wouldn't be a reason for me changing to a new device. My HTC Touch does everything I need.

[rafiqc]

I "played" with a Diamond the other day and I don't like it. It looks funny, I don't like the "software look" (too cluttered) and honestly it does not seem any faster than my Touch (slightly tweaked :)). Like the GPS and the accelerometer, but already have a bt gps receiver for my Touch so, nah.

Damn, Touch HD looks awesome, but that's going to be a chunk of change :)

[murrun]

xperia looks promising. i prefer it over diamond(and touch pro). i love panels.

[gronostaj]

xperia looks promising. i prefer it over diamond(and touch pro). i love panels.
Try Task Facade :)

[murrun]

Try Task Facade :)

no thanks. i like the original panels. i'm using wktask as task manager and really love it. :)

[akkad]

to diamond, am not thinking of it at all, even am not sure if my next device will be based on windows mobile, i think the up coming year it will be the smart devices war year, there will be android with motorola, htc, LG and samsung flavours, there will be the new windows mobile 7 too on many devices and may be there will be some new apples so the choice is going to be hard.

so far am in love with my elf and up to this moment there is no such device attracts my attention where i think the reason is that elf shape and size is the exact needs i want in my device, where i really wish if htc come up with elf identical but with extra features like the 3G, more sensitive screen, tv out and built in gps.

i think it is the time now for the pda's manufacturers and the mobile os developers to shake hands so that they come out with devices with no specific os, in other means blank hard desk mobile device that let u boot any os u want, at that moment i'll be glad experiencing android while in other hand flashing xda-developers special recipes :D .

[ccris]

I'm going to upgrade to the Touch 3G (Jade)

@akkad, Jade is quite similar to Elf but with extra features like the 3G and built in gps. Sensitivity might be tweaked...

[dsixda]

I'm going to upgrade to the Touch 3G (Jade)

@akkad, Jade is quite similar to Elf but with extra features like the 3G and built in gps. Sensitivity might be tweaked...


Ok, so the GSM version of the Diamond is coming to Canada (Rogers) sometime in early December, according to reports. I'm still debating whether to stay with my Elfin or to go with another device.

Jade is similar to Elf, but isn't it bigger? I love the size of Elf (good for jeans pockets), but don't like the fact it doesn't have built-in GPS... but I can live with that. Plus the low-resolution screen is a small issue.

However, I hear battery life and CPU usage is not that great on the Diamond, partly because of the screen.

Also, Opera Mini has changed my mind about the speed of the Elf... the browser is SO fast.

[murrun]

Touch: 99.9 x 58 x 13.9 mm
Touch3g: 102 x 53.6 x 14.5 mm
diamond: 102 x 51 x 11.5 mm

no big difference between t3g and touch. but diamond is really slim :eek:

[xsmurfx]

I am not going to upgrade to Diamond (unless I get the Diamond for free..haha!). I really luv my sexy white elfin

- But, I admiring the 3D things on Diamond
- 3.2MP camera, I dun need it. Juz using camera for MMS. 2.0 more than enuff
- 4GB storage is too big for me. Currently using 2GB and still got lots of free space even I stored 100++ mp3s
- I never use the GPS, even I owned Nokia6100 Nav

[hedonist_touch]

to diamond, am not thinking of it at all, even am not sure if my next device will be based on windows mobile, i think the up coming year it will be the smart devices war year, there will be android with motorola, htc, LG and samsung flavours, there will be the new windows mobile 7 too on many devices and may be there will be some new apples so the choice is going to be hard.

so far am in love with my elf and up to this moment there is no such device attracts my attention where i think the reason is that elf shape and size is the exact needs i want in my device, where i really wish if htc come up with elf identical but with extra features like the 3G, more sensitive screen, tv out and built in gps.

i think it is the time now for the pda's manufacturers and the mobile os developers to shake hands so that they come out with devices with no specific os, in other means blank hard desk mobile device that let u boot any os u want, at that moment i'll be glad experiencing android while in other hand flashing xda-developers special recipes :D .

I think HTC released another touch but with a 528 processor not sure, can anyone confirm. Also is there any possibility of upgrading my processor to a 528, silly question..hehe

[akkad]

I'm going to upgrade to the Touch 3G (Jade)

@akkad, Jade is quite similar to Elf but with extra features like the 3G and built in gps. Sensitivity might be tweaked...

man did u try the iPhone sensitivity ? it is not comparable to touch even after the tweaks, but the strange thing i found that HTC G1(android) has a high sensitive screen just like the iPhone so why didnt HTC release its HD with this high sensitive screen ??

is it bcuz G1 released after HD or bcuz the android as operating system has more efficient algorithms for sensitivity more than windows mobile ??

[dsixda]

Ok, so I purchased the Diamond last night.. but the Action button was defective, so I have to exchange or return ;-(

Here are my thoughts on it:

One thing I don't like about the Diamond is the form factor. For example if I'm surfing the web while lying in bed, the narrow width and the tall height makes it difficult to hold compared to my HTC Touch.

There is no 'big' benefit to me other than the GPS built-in. The VGA resolution is actually a hindrance in Opera Mini (fonts are too small, although they can be increased.. but still too small.). This makes it difficult to open a hyperlink since you have to touch the precise spot with your fingernail on the tiny font. Another thing is that the direction buttons for up/down/left/right are tricky. There is going to be a learning curve involved if you choose to upgrade from a previous WM device.

I do however like the Teeter(?) game where you have to tilt the ball so that it doesn't go into the holes.. it even vibrates on the same location on the device when you hit the wall at a particular spot!

Also 3G would be a plus, although I haven't fully tried it.. but Opera Mini works fast enough on non-3G devices anyway.

But I don't think these bells-and-whistles will justify the purchase for most people. If you have an Elf or Elfin, think long and hard before you purchase. If you flash one of the TouchFLO 2D cooked ROMs on your Elf/Elfin, you will find that it is just as good as having a Diamond (or better!).

[bza]

i got a diamond with my upgrade and sent it back after 2 days. the battery life was awful. i would charge it whilst i slept (11pm - 7am) and it would die about 2.30-3 ish in the afternoon with just a normal amount of texts and a few calls as i was at work(which has a no phone policy). this was back in september. I emailed HTC to ask about the battery life and only got an email back last week!

The GUI was soooo sluggish too (especially when flicking thru contacts) and the gps wasn't worth the bother. my bluetooth gps unit from ebay for 10 pounds paired with my elf is superb compared.

i really had high hopes for the diamond but im back with my elf again and got the sony erricson c902 with my upgrade which i'll sell when i can be assed to.

Oh and with in a day it got so dirty like it just attracted muck.

i still love my elf.

[nuke1]

Hi there

Visiting my old forums. :D

Had an ELFin. I, too bought a Diamond about two weeks ago. I love the crisp VGA resolution. I don't think I will ever settle for less than VGA now. I haven't tried Opera Mini on the Diam but Opera Mobile does the job for me. I think sooner or later Opera Mini will make it to VGA. Hey Dsi maybe you should try increasing the font size (within Mini) as that increases everything.

The buttons are v.nice in my opinion. And the white lighting is spectacular.

Some problems:
- It's a tad bit more laggy :( than the ELFin, even with Dutty's ROM. But I believe the ELFin was like this for the first 4/5 months it was released.
- Batt. life lasts me a day whereas the ELFin could last 2 days.

Though interestingly, today batt. life lasted 1-and-a-half days with 2 bars remaining :confused:.

I believe the speed problems will be ironed out over time. Also, I do need to experiment with different ROMs since I've heard many people complain about Dutty's being somewhat laagy.

[nuke1]

TF3D was quite laggy. Though by experimenting I've made it nearly as fast as TF2D (like it was on Dsi's :D).

EDIT:

Just read your post Dsi, about the VGA screen consuming RAM. I don't believe this to be the case, simply for this reason:

- The old HTC Universal had an Intel 520Mhz processor (Diam, as you know, has 528 which is pretty much the same) but it also had 64Mb RAM! With ROM upgrades, it's lightning fast and beats the Diam.

As I say, just give the Diam time. New drivers, patches and fixes will fix a completely new-generation phone (or so I hope :P).

[dgattenb]

I'm getting the Touch HD .. tried the diamond on my friends phone .. did not like the small scream .. trie dthe Touch HD .. fab!!!

thats my next phone

[scorpion66]

I was after a diamond as it looked great in pictures but in the flesh I was disapointed with its look and feel. Its a good size but the screen is to small so i am going to pass on it. However the HD is a good looking beast but again I have yet to see one for real. Anyway I have just changed my White Touch case to Black and think it looks great and somehow much smaller in black, i also added a 4GB micro card and will stick with it.

[DigiGuruUK]

I just got me a Touch HD and it is absolutely fantastic!

[martini333]

Not sure if this has been asked before on this forum, so I'll ask now..

The Touch Diamond has been around for a couple of months now, and will be coming to all countries very soon. Do you guys think it's worth it to make the upgrade from Elf/Elfin to the Diamond?

I guess it all depends on what your needs are. I mean I don't watch videos on it, and I mainly use it for PIMs, documents and GPS.

However, the Diamond has the following features which look very enticing:
- Higher res
- Better procesor
- Better camera
- Integrated GPS (no more Bluetooth receivers!)
- Almost same height but thinner than Elf

PIMs/Camera/GPS/MP3 in one unit is pretty amazing.

I'm thinking of getting a used Elfin (a second one) just for ROM cooking purposes, but now I think I could save that couple hundred dollars on a future Diamond (along with selling my current Elfin to help pay for it).

I just bought a HTC diamond. And I hope you're doing a ROM thereof also, like Onyx. :)

[dsixda]

I just bought a HTC diamond. And I hope you're doing a ROM thereof also, like Onyx. :)

Ha ha, well I am too busy to release and support any new public ROMs, but I do have my privately cooked Diamond Rom which can be shared privately upon request (very similar style to Onyx for Elfs). I am updating WM6.1 Roms but stopped work on 6.5 roms for now.... I find TFLO3D more convenient to use.

Plus I recently bought a Touch Pro, so I'll be deciding soon about which one to keep! The only big issue I still have left for the Diamond is the lack of hardware keyboard.... and the Touch Pro fulfills that need for now (except it's fatter) ;)

[sushantduggal]

Is there a possiblity to add software of HTC Diamond to HTC Touch? I just love the interface and Home Plugin of HTC Diamond