TV-Out on Diamond?

[TarKin]

g´d evening,

now that there are several dumps of pro roms doing it´s rounds - i was wondering if there are any news about a possible tv-out in the diamond. last time i checked the forum and the news on various sites there was mentioned that they share the same hw (exept for the keyboard). so, is there any chance that we´ll ever be able to hook it up to our tvs? :)

[DarkRay_]

this model don't have TV-Out, the only connector is mini USBext (= mini usb + stereo headtset )

[Imaginati0n]

Yes but the Diamond Pro also have the same connection and has a cable with the s-video out function...

[timn2087]

TarKin - interesting proposition. By maybe I think that we won't know until some of our cookers get hold of some HTC touch pro roms. Also I think that it is not a s-video out - only composite video?

[Sergio PC]

Okay if there is a TV out on this Jewel THATS it!!!
Best device ever!:D
By farrrr:D:)

[911turbo]

TarKin - interesting proposition. By maybe I think that we won't know until some of our cookers get hold of some HTC touch pro roms. Also I think that it is not a s-video out - only composite video?

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=406943
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=410305

It seems that they've already seen it... let's hope...

[Utking]

Charge or synchronise your HTC Touch Diamond simply by placing the device in the cradle connector. You can plug the desktop cradle into a home stereo system via the cradle’s 3.5mm line out connection to enjoy high quality music playback.

Intergrated Spare Battery Charger

It can be charged and synchronised with HTC Touch Diamond AC Adaptor UK TC B100 (not included) or HTC Touch Diamond Data Cable DC U300 (USB/miniUSB) (not included).
This cradle comes with two inserts (the plastic holders) for Touch Diamond and Touch Diamond extended battery and it also supports the inline connection of the following optional accessories:
HTC Touch Diamond Multifunction Audio Cable YC A200
TV Out Cable TC A110 (pre-release)


This is for the desktop cradle for the touch diamond, gotten from expansys. dont know if it has anything to say, but i hope so:)

[walshieau]

yes the cable does Exist for the Diamond, though its not available in the Current ROM hence why the adapter is "pre-release".

[TarKin]

@walshieau
do i understand you correctly: *your* opinion is that it´s just a matter of time until we´ll see a working tv-out (rom+cable) or the diamond? is that correct?

[walshieau]

@walshieau
do i understand you correctly: *your* opinion is that it´s just a matter of time until we´ll see a working tv-out (rom+cable) or the diamond? is that correct?

yes that is correct

[chocula81]

Sounds really really interesting... :eek:

[Dj!pOner]

A TV out on HTC Diamond!! So good!!:D

[zme999]

It must have some kind ov Video output!
Check this demonstration! His fooling around with a Dimond connected to a TV.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YTd3SUPSJsM

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[Narco77]

Well, when the Gameboy was released, you could play tetris on TVs in the shops. For many years I thought "hey, they might bring out a tv adapter someday". They never did.
But hey, this is 2008 ! everything is possible !

[aragornol]

It must have some kind ov Video output!
Check this demonstration! His fooling around with a Dimond connected to a TV.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YTd3SUPSJsM

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it`s probably not an TV but beamer connected to pc which is connected with diamond through BT or WiFi and some software for presenting mode ? :)

[Carty]

I already have the mini USB to VGA out connector! Yes, from the HTC Athena. Only if the ROM is ready, id be glad to test it out.

Regards,
Carty..

[Imaginati0n]

Nicee...let´s wait for the rom...or a cab to update drivers, theres already diamond pro roms out there..lets see if anyone can find out if it realy have tv-out he only thing missing in this beaty

[ceevee369]

How many other threads related to this should be initiated of what we already have?
it does not belong in here (ROM thread)
it belongs in accesories as we talk about a cable yes? ,
When using the Search function "vide out" you'll find plenty of posts - threads already.

Expansys has- had removed the cable (picture) from all their websites for unknown reason otherwise you will see how it look. Easy to copy-cat.
And for God sake yes, spread the following math:
11(or 16pin TBC) USB to Cinch Cable + Rom tweak = Video out

(though this needs to be proven. ... Same as the never found solution for the TytnII drivers)

[timn2087]

How many other threads related to this should be initiated of what we already have?
it does not belong in here (ROM thread)
it belongs in accesories as we talk about a cable yes? ,
When using the Search function "vide out" you'll find plenty of posts - threads already.

Expansys has- had removed the cable (picture) from all their websites for unknown reason otherwise you will see how it look. Easy to copy-cat.
And for God sake yes, spread the following math:
11(or 16pin TBC) USB to Cinch Cable + Rom tweak = Video out

(though this needs to be proven. ... Same as the never found solution for the TytnII drivers)

Hello, this is definitely about ROM thread *we are talking about whether the ROM supports TV out* we are not merely talking about some lead. If the ROM supports TV out, we could either use the lead from the Touch Pro, or we could make our own. Until it comes to the issue of "leads" this will remain a ROM issue. Perhaps when we are discussing leads and adapters we will need to use the "accessories" area, and then you can contribute some helpful infos. cheers

[ceevee369]

Bullocks. but... whatever you say .. whatever you say.
I won't argue. I am too old for this :p

Anyone used the search function on "video out" no I guess?

[TarKin]

Bullocks. but... whatever you say .. whatever you say.
I won't argue. I am too old for this :p

Anyone used the search function on "video out" no I guess?

i did!!! :)

[brium13]

New ? :):):)

[brium13]

Still no news?

The drivers of raphael came out?

Thank you.

[GriFolle]

My 2 cents:

For sure in one raphael rom released there are OEM (and maybe SYS) packages for the usage/gesture of tv-out. "Drivers" too (evenif theese exists) I think. The matter, and to test it we have to wait and see the fabulous, legendary, brilliant...property cable made by htc, is the pin-out (and its configuration) of the miniusb port of the device. Looking at this we could know if it's possible, or not, enable this feature on our jewel too.

[Noam23]

Even if Diamond WILL have TV out, what good will this bring ?

Can you give me 1 good example of what to do with a 640x480 TV output ?

[dazza9075]

well since most SDTV sets are around that resolution i wouldnt think the resolution would be an issue would you? has for HDTV sets (assuming the device supports progressive scan) it would look no worse than watching SDTV on your new HDTV set.


Of course your wider point you was trying to make stands, who would use the feature anyway? answer..... not many but "if" you needed it, your ready to go!

[uniqueboy]

Bring it on, sounds cool, I would look at my dumb photos and my dumb videos and probably watch IronMan which my mate has downloaded!

[cheifsfan]

Is anyone taking on the project? I see people already have the cables and it is working great on the raphael. I have no problem buying the cables but I wouldn't know where to begin to bring the drivers over from the raphael. Anyone interested in helping that can get this done?

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[MrBasiri]

Just spoke whith Htc Sweden and the answer I got was that There is no tv-out on Diamond, nether any cable on its way for now. But he also said that there is no harware difference between pro - diamond. So I suppose it's a financial strategy. I really one of you software sorcerers can fix this.

[TarKin]

well i can confirm that the cable gets detected (selection screen pops up).
but well, lets wait and see with what the rom cookers come up with :)

[Imaginati0n]

Cant wait...because it reads realy well vga movies and its fantastic to see them on tv. I realy hope is realy a driver thing :)

[Lord_BlackAdder]

I too hope this would make it to Diamond. I have a Sanyo video camera which capture video at VGA resolution and in mp4 format. Today I copied the video clips to my Diamond and it played flawlessly. Previously with JASJAM, I have to encode the video into some other formats like WMV first which is a pain.

[cheifsfan]

Just spoke whith Htc Sweden and the answer I got was that There is no tv-out on Diamond, nether any cable on its way for now. But he also said that there is no harware difference between pro - diamond. So I suppose it's a financial strategy. I really one of you software sorcerers can fix this.

We can just use the cable for the pro. If they don't have different hardware I hope someone is willing to take on this project! I would be willing to donate some cash!

[cheifsfan]

well i can confirm that the cable gets detected (selection screen pops up).
but well, lets wait and see with what the rom cookers come up with :)

what happens when you plug the cable in? Does it come up on the TV or only on the phone?

[hkultraman]

Even if Diamond WILL have TV out, what good will this bring ?

Can you give me 1 good example of what to do with a 640x480 TV output ?

Imagine you can project the slingbox video on a large screen.

[Lord_BlackAdder]

what happens when you plug the cable in? Does it come up on the TV or only on the phone?

I don't think so unless there is some software driver and application in the phone to output the video signal.

[TarKin]

what happens when you plug the cable in? Does it come up on the TV or only on the phone?

only on the phone

[clockcycle]

Even if Diamond WILL have TV out, what good will this bring ?

Can you give me 1 good example of what to do with a 640x480 TV output ?

This is a fair example of what can be done http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=417616

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Any other leads towards determining if this feature exists or will exist on the CDMA Diamond?

thanks,

-CC

P.S. BTW this is the only thread about "video out" I could find. Searching shows results of over 256 threads with "video" and or "out".

[GurneyHalleck]

Even if Diamond WILL have TV out, what good will this bring ?

Can you give me 1 good example of what to do with a 640x480 TV output ?

How about video calling?

Imagine coming home after a hard days work, dropping your phone into its cradle next to the TV - it can play any music or vids you have through the TV/Stereo, and casually make and accept video calls whenever you like - it's, like, the future, man!

**edit 1**

Then you find a way of hacking the Wiimote, and display the phone screen itself on the TV whilst not in media playback, and use it as your mobile media/communications centre - send emails, YouTube, RSS, PodCasts, Films/Music, Video/Voice Calls, PowerPoint, as already mentioned in another thread...

and THEN! Because it'll look a bit naff on widescreen, you utilise the landscape mode of the phone (being researched in yet another thread) to display on TV. Of course, the cradle's hooked up with the charger too, so power's not an issue, and the phone is charged up and ready to go the next morning. The possibilities sound amazing to me. Or I could just be getting over-excited. :D

**edit 2**

... unlimited data plan is a pre-requisite... ;)

[tha_rami]

Or I could just be getting over-excited.
That might be the case. The Wiimote thing sounds a tiny, tiny bit overdone. The rest is quite possible if we (or actually, the great minds here that have figured most of our possibilities out) can just find a way to enable them.

First, I think I'd prefer Landscape mode.

[bedoig]

sub69 put together a cab of the TV-Out software from the Pro. It was for another user with a pre-release (US) AT&T Touch Pro that didn't come with the software preloaded. If anybody has a Diamond and a video cable, it might at least be worth a shot:

Check post #3 here (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=419391).

[teddyen66]

sub69 put together a cab of the TV-Out software from the Pro. It was for another user with a pre-release (US) AT&T Touch Pro that didn't come with the software preloaded. If anybody has a Diamond and a video cable, it might at least be worth a shot:

Check post #3 here (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=419391).

No luck on mine :-(
i'm using dutty's 1.7 rom and a cable from Expansys

[bedoig]

Worth a shot at least. It could be that there are other dependencies that are already built into most Pro ROMs, even if the actual software isn't included. Gonna take more work it looks like. Or, who knows, it might not be possible at all. Let's hope not though ;)

[teddyen66]

strange thing is that I get no popup when inserting the cable, and never has.
someone else wrote that he got a popup.

[bedoig]

I believe the person you are referring to is using a Touch Pro, not a Diamond. I could be mistaken, but I don't believe anyone has even confirmed identical USB pin-outs between the Pro and the Diamond. Might be a lost cause.

[teddyen66]

well i can confirm that the cable gets detected (selection screen pops up).
but well, lets wait and see with what the rom cookers come up with :)



I believe the person you are referring to is using a Touch Pro, not a Diamond. I could be mistaken, but I don't believe anyone has even confirmed identical USB pin-outs between the Pro and the Diamond. Might be a lost cause.


I think Tarkin in the thread above has a Diamond, but I don't know for sure :-)

[bedoig]

I think Tarkin in the thread above has a Diamond, but I don't know for sure :-)

Ahh, good news! Thought you were referring to someone else ;)

[Imaginati0n]

In every place is said that the hardware is the same :( ...let's hope is some sort of a driver in the rom or so...

[MrBasiri]

In every place is said that the hardware is the same :( ...let's hope is some sort of a driver in the rom or so...

As I said earlier HTC confirms that it's the same hardware in pro and diamond and that is just a software thing.

[Blob8me]

I'm lucky enough to have both a Diamond and a Pro - I also have the TV Cable!

(see my post in thread http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=417616&page=5 for comments)

I have of course tried the cable with the Diamond and with the Raphael Software with no luck so - until we get a Rom that proves different then I must presume that there is also a hardware difference? Sorry guys.... :confused:

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[MAK11]

My guess is that it is activated in the rom (like the GPS, etc) Until then someone has to take a closer look at the Touch Pro and Diamond ROM and look and the similarities and difference between the them.

[cheifsfan]

My guess is that it is activated in the rom (like the GPS, etc) Until then someone has to take a closer look at the Touch Pro and Diamond ROM and look and the similarities and difference between the them.

I am pretty sure this is not the case since someone here in the US got the ATT touch pro without the TV out software ect. and all he did was load the software and TV out worked. He didn't need to activate it in the rom....

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[Diskun]

I am pretty sure this is not the case since someone here in the US got the ATT touch pro without the TV out software ect. and all he did was load the software and TV out worked. He didn't need to activate it in the rom...
That means nothing. Maybe there is a "switch" or module in the ROM, when it's ON or present, it allows the software to use the TV-Out, when it's OFF, it doesn't. So the hardware could be present but not accessable by the OS nor the software.

Think of it like the BIOS settings in your PC: Windows won't be able to access your USB ports or your hard-drives if your BIOS isn't properly configured.

[aje_fr]

Hi there !
I'm quite sure that hardware is different between the diamond and the pro especially motherboard !
The cpu architecture is the same but the peripheral isn't.
On the pro you have some feature that's not on the diamond :
- keyboard interface
- micro sd port
- flashlight.

And so, video out.

Sorry, but i'm sure that tv out is only for the pro !
B
ye

[TarKin]

well, to clear things up a bit:
go and run the attached zip on your diamond (no matter which rom) - plug in the cable - and voila - you get a selection screen. so, the cable *is* being detected correctly. guess we´ll have to wait and see until someone comes up with a solution for it :)

[teddyen66]

well, to clear things up a bit:
go and run the attached zip on your diamond (no matter which rom) - plug in the cable - and voila - you get a selection screen. so, the cable *is* being detected correctly. guess we´ll have to wait and see until someone comes up with a solution for it :)

Hmm it doesn't pop up on mine, and when I open it manually I get the settings but they are not saved.
Strange that there are differences on the Diamond.

[dajudge01]

Since I both lack a Touch Pro and a TV out cable it's hard for me to look into it - but the first interesting information I guess would be since the pin-out seems to be the same (as indicated by recognizing the cable) is where those pins actually lead in the device - once that's confirmed to be the same on Pro and Diamond it should be a rather simple software problem (probably some drivers etc) to have that connected IC output the display contents via the special HTC USB port...

I guess what I am saying is: same hardware? same pinout? => only need the right software to get things working.

Can someone with a Pro test if TV out increases CPU load? If so, things would probably be even better since that means most of the required conversion is done in the CPU and the connected IC acts merely as a means of putting the signals on the cable. If that's the case and someone figures out how to do this things would get even more interesting: nothing but some reverse engineering would prevent us from acutally having something like dual-head support on both Diamond and Pro?

Still - I have no real clue about what's going on in those devices since I don't have a Pro - so it's just some fancy ideas for the moment :-)

Cheers,
Alex

[Blob8me]

well, to clear things up a bit:
go and run the attached zip on your diamond (no matter which rom) - plug in the cable - and voila - you get a selection screen. so, the cable *is* being detected correctly. guess we´ll have to wait and see until someone comes up with a solution for it :)

As I said in my previous post - I have a Touch Pro, a Touch Diamomd and the TV Out Cable (Yes - I am lucky :cool: and Yes I earn my money and have MY boys toys!) and had yesterday loaded the Pro TV Cab onto my Diamond but with NO success - I am sure that it is not just a software (ROM) difference but that there is also a hardware change too???

This is not the news we wanted to here - but we should accept it and move on?

Look at how much time out friends on the Touch Dual wasted looking into the WiFi and GPS function that just did not exist????

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[tha_rami]

Just a quick realisation, according to the Manila Editor, there are no icons or mode9 files indicating that the TV-Out menu is inbuilt in the Diamond, like there were with the 'landscape menu'.

It could be that the lack of those files could be important to the ROM to (de)activate the option. However, seeing the window does seem to pop up every here and there, this could be a inaccuracy in the Editor or something already noticed and fixed.

As a logical guy, I would not rest with assumptions (like blob8me seems to imply), and I'd rather see someone check where the pin goes like the post above his (dajudge) suggests to figure out if there really IS a hardware difference. If the hardware indeed is identical not counting the keyboard, camera flash and cardreader, it would be a shame to live with a nerfed device.

[hdzsound]

Does someone have some information about the PCB design of the Diamond and the Pro.

I have found the Diamond Service Manuel wish is quit interesting. But I have not find the information I needed.

Also the Touch Pro service Manuel !




nothing is impossible...

[homestream]

is'nt manuel that spanish guy in Faulty Towers?

[Syphon Filter]

Bummmmmp..
guys,
Remember that during the Diamong launch announcement in Lodon the phone demo'd on stage was using the TV-OUT feature.

I dont think it was, it was software that was running screen capture on the device and transmitting it to a PC.

[tha_rami]

I dont think it was, it was software that was running screen capture on the device and transmitting it to a PC.
As long as we're not sure, we're not sure. I want to know the schematics of the ExtUSB Pins and to where they go in the device. Since we're not getting anywhere by simply checking software, we might learn something there.

This might be a rash idea, but can't we just get a Raphael ROM to work on the Diamond?

[kikakeule]

Just a quick realisation, according to the Manila Editor, there are no icons or mode9 files indicating that the TV-Out menu is inbuilt in the Diamond, like there were with the 'landscape menu'.

It could be that the lack of those files could be important to the ROM to (de)activate the option. However, seeing the window does seem to pop up every here and there, this could be a inaccuracy in the Editor or something already noticed and fixed.


well, it would be interesting wheather those, who got the screen working, used a cooked rom (and which) as some of them allready have some raphael stuff implementet as far as i read

[Imaginati0n]

Here is a review of the TV-Out on the pro.

http://wmpoweruser.com/?p=730

It seem fantastic...lets hope someone finds something in the pro rom or so...

[Sergio PC]

Here is a review of the TV-Out on the pro.

http://wmpoweruser.com/?p=730

It seem fantastic...lets hope someone finds something in the pro rom or so...

Wooowww thats awsome!:)

[fytos]

is'nt manuel that spanish guy i Fault Fowers?

Si senior, it was :P
Still in the kitchen, still screwing up :eek:

[lmr2003]

It's amazing !

Do you think we can dream having it on our Dimaond someday ?

I know that dev are on going.... Let's hope it will work

[MrBasiri]

Buuuump.. Any news?

[makeveral]

i dont think it's possible... why should HTC hide that feature from the users??? it makes no sense..

[Chatty]

To have more arguments make you buy a Touch Pro of course! Ever heard of market differentiation?

[makeveral]

To have more arguments make you buy a Touch Pro of course! Ever heard of market differentiation?

i think there are enough arguments to buy a Touch Pro.. and imagine all the money they would make selling that cable..
anyways i hope im wrong and its possible ^^

[omar302]

I donlt know if anybody found this before, but I found this key in the registry of the official WWE-ME ROM:

HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\HTC\H2W:TVOutCableIn (Dword=0).

[Imaginati0n]

And why they hide the GPS in the P3600 makiveral ? I think is realy possible...anyone checked the registry string with the cable?

[krayero]

omar302! Good finding! Could anyone post the registry value for the same in a Touch Pro?
with the tv-out app grabbed from pro, and the cable, we should be able to use it after changing it to the right value!

[Imaginati0n]

Any news of the people who had the Diamond and the cable?

[DiemetriX]

omar302! Good finding! Could anyone post the registry value for the same in a Touch Pro?
with the tv-out app grabbed from pro, and the cable, we should be able to use it after changing it to the right value!

You don't know what you are talking about.
This may help but this is not the solution.

[pjmiebach]

omar302! Good finding! Could anyone post the registry value for the same in a Touch Pro?
with the tv-out app grabbed from pro, and the cable, we should be able to use it after changing it to the right value!

It's the same value in the touch pro.

[rocky50]

any good news?

[Imaginati0n]

anyone have news?

[ricarroyo88]

Well, I think is not posible, if not HTC would announce it like a future feature with an accesory

[dazza9075]

someone pop it open and have a look inside and settle this once and for all, ideally would need a touch pro to compare with but i seriously doubt it will be intigrated in to main CPU so ID the chip then we can stop wasting time trying to find something that might not even be in it. Remember there are hardware differences between the two devices, the chances of them slapping an IC on a board jus for the sake of it is very slim as every penny counts,

IF its intigrated in to the main chip then potetially it might be possible but only if the pins are connected.

[G0G0]

anyone have news?

[tommyboybid]

so any news on this?

as an alturnative is there any device to stream wirelessly to a tv or monitor via wifi

Would be cool having a 8" potable lcd in my bag for easier surfing when away from home and without my laptop

[riki1]

:( never TV OUT ?

[hoyler30589]

someone has posted pics of diamond motherboard in a thread about jtag will this help work it out?

[joey7415963]

In case anyone needed the links to the above:

Front: http://revskills.de/downloads/front.JPG
Back: http://revskills.de/downloads/back.JPG

Someone must know what to do! I dont want to have to spend even more money on a raphael! :(

[ck.yueh]

so strange...
there's a question and nobody can answer on XDA???@@

[jarheadev]

While I don't have a Diamond or Pro... *yet* -- I must admit I would prefer the lighter of the two if it could preform the TV-Out function.

...I've stumbled across some photos of the diamond doing just that...

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=VMCMKMSK
download the zip and see for yourself...

If I were to make an educated guess based on the design and fabrication of PCB layouts, it would seem obvious that this feature is either a jumper away from functioning OR its simply locked out by absent software. I looked at the PCB from the Diamond (from photos posted on this thread) and didn't find any glaringly obvious traces that were out of place or appeared to be missing a resistor/trace. So that lead me to believe the issue is software...

Has anyone ruled software or hardware out completely? It sounds like the idea of TV-Out on the Diamond is still a possibility... am I wrong?

[riki1]

While I don't have a Diamond or Pro... *yet* -- I must admit I would prefer the lighter of the two if it could preform the TV-Out function.

...I've stumbled across some photos of the diamond doing just that...

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=VMCMKMSK
download the zip and see for yourself...

If I were to make an educated guess based on the design and fabrication of PCB layouts, it would seem obvious that this feature is either a jumper away from functioning OR its simply locked out by absent software. I looked at the PCB from the Diamond (from photos posted on this thread) and didn't find any glaringly obvious traces that were out of place or appeared to be missing a resistor/trace. So that lead me to believe the issue is software...

Has anyone ruled software or hardware out completely? It sounds like the idea of TV-Out on the Diamond is still a possibility... am I wrong?

There is nothing useable in this zip dokument for TV OUT :(

[kevin_b_c]

...I've stumbled across some photos of the diamond doing just that...

The Diamond in these pictures is probably just connected to a computer with some sort of remote control software like MyMobile, and the computer's screen is being projected.

[kevin_b_c]

Judging by the pinout of the Enhanced Mini USB connector that the diamond used, there will never be a TV or VGA out adapter available.

EDIT: Guess I was wrong, Mic signal is used for Video out.

http://www.tracyandmatt.co.uk/blogs/media/EMU_pin_config.png
Data
A = GND
B = NC
C = +DATA
D = -DATA
E = +5v
Audio
1 = +Mic / Video Out
2 = +Right
3 = Switch
4 = Gnd
5 = Gnd
6 = +Left

[rpassmore]

Judging by the pinout of the Enhanced Mini USB connector that the diamond used, there will never be a TV or VGA out adapter available.


Why would you say that? Aren't those pins identical to the pins in this post?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=2610305&postcount=19

Reading that, it seems possible.

Only when pins 3 and 5 are connected and not 4, the TP recognizes a video cable and askes for the video norm.

This is still looking like it _could_ be a rom/driver issue, and not hardware.

[kevin_b_c]

Why would you say that? Aren't those pins identical to the pins in this post?

Yea, you're right. Didn't do enough digging.

[uniqueboy]

Are there any electronics in the touch pro's TV out lead, does any one know? There could be a chip built into the USB plug, in which case it would be good news for us. :)

[kevin_b_c]

There could be a chip built into the USB plug, in which case it would be good news for us. :)
No chip in the Video out cable...

http://www.tracyandmatt.co.uk/blogs/media/EMU_pin_config.png
Video Cable Pinout
A,3,5 Ground
1 Video Out
2 Audio Right +
6 Audio Left +

[joey7415963]

This is all good information, now we need a programmer! And possibly a few tests of the voltage at this particular pin

[uniqueboy]

This is all good information, now we need a programmer! And possibly a few tests of the voltage at this particular pin

You make it sound so easy, If the pro does it and the hardware were the same in the Diamond I think it would be cooked into our roms by now. I think we are lacking a final stage modulator gizmo thing in the basic hardware. Pin outs are universal for htc, the hardware must switch them on the pro when it needs to. :)

[joey7415963]

You make it sound so easy, If the pro does it and the hardware were the same in the Diamond I think it would be cooked into our roms by now. I think we are lacking a final stage modulator gizmo thing in the basic hardware. Pin outs are universal for htc, the hardware must switch them on the pro when it needs to. :)

Fair point, but a modulator can be implemented via software aswell

[joey7415963]

in fact a modulator is easier to apply via software, its just a multiplication process.

[Brendo]

just a thought....

id imagine diamond looked like this:
http://www.tracyandmatt.co.uk/blogs/index.php/2006/09/10/htc_hermes_usb_connector_pin_config

with touch pro having 4/5 for video

[jarheadev]

Okay... so there are some of us who would like the TV-Out without having to spring for the Touch Pro.

HTC may have chosen to omit the TV-Out feature in the Touch Diamond for market positioning purposes OR the feature was physically omitted from the design for cost savings. It seems to me that like many other mass produced devices, the circuit board would have been provisioned with the traces to support a chipset needed to power the TV-Out feature.... OR this feature simply exists on the same chipset both the Diamond and PRO possess.

See page 3 of the following PDF;
http://web20.telecomtv.com/docs/f7e62028-1ab4-490d-8adb-dfc93628f845/MSM7200_Chipset.pdf

Yeah, thats right -- all the features of the Diamond/PRO are pretty much spelled out by a Qualcomm MSM7201 chipset datasheet -- And YES, TV-Out is a function of the actual chipset itself.... so what has HTC done to "turn it off" in the Diamond???

Btw... I just bought a HTC Touch Diamond from Future Shop for $89 with a contract from Telus... now only time will tell

[jarheadev]

In case you are too lazy to read the PDF... the TV-Out "feature" is listed for the MSM7201A

http://www.htc.com/www/product/touchdiamond/specification.html
I came to a fair conclusion that the Touch Diamond indeed has a Qualcomm MSM7201A chipset... but after checking my CPU in Device Information on my newly purchased Diamond, I've discovered that it is actually a 7501A chipset!!!

So after some more reading... I've discovered that the MSM7500 chipset also offers the same "TV-Out" feature as shown in the MSM7201A datasheet. According to the block diagram, its a built-in feature within the chip AND it's not dependant on anything else within the chip...

Hrmmm.... interesting...

[birkov10]

0... but after checking my CPU in Device Information on my newly purchased Diamond, I've discovered that it is actually a 7501A chipset!!!...


Mmm, I´ve checked my Diamond and it has a 7201A chipset also I´ve ported the TVOUT package from a Rafael´s rom and when I try to run the settings it pop up a Window saying the next:

#####################
# TV Out cable (accesory ) is
# needed to output to an
# external display.
#####################

but i haven´t a cable to test if really works :confused:

Other thing is that the TV Out package uses the next library:

OEM_Misc.dll -> version: 1.90.0.0

while my Diamond´s Rom ( Spanish ) has a newer one:

OEM_Misc.dll -> version: 1.93.0.0

I´ve installed the Rafael´s library with other name ( also i´ve changed the key that load this .dll, of course ) to avoid problems.

[Chatty]

@birkov10: Talk to sub69 (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=417616) - he own's the cable and both a Diamond and a Pro.

[tissot]

Wonderfull! On the paper it looks good. Plz donate a videocabel to birkov10 or send that dll or rip that you did to someone who has a cable..
this is so exciting to think about. Hopefully it works. I hant given up yet.

[birkov10]

This afternoon I´ll try to do a cab to install it and I´ll upload it to the forum so someone with a cable can test it.

[rocky50]

and...?! ????

[teddyen66]

I have a cable+diamond and will gladly do some testing :-)

[jarheadev]

That's the spirit!

...Now if only HTC would include the feature in their next update!!

[hamid reza]

Oh it is intersting.
Will it work ?

[rocky50]

I hope ,people !

[moyse007]

It 'll be fabulous if it's ok !!
I hope you'll arrived to to that !
Luck !!

[birkov10]

Hi all, sorry for the delay.

Finally I build the cab and I hope that it works :)

Only install the cab and if after installation the Diamond doesn´t reboot, you must do a soft reset.

To check if works, go to Control panel and select the "TV Out" icon.
If the icon doesn´t appear in Control Panel you can open the windows folder and look for TVOutSetting.exe


REMEMBER, this software has been delivered without warranty of any kind :D

I´ve decided to remove the software until I find the solution to uninstall it without problems, when I find it, I will upload the new file

[dajudge01]

Installs nicely on my Diamond and the TV Out icon is present after a soft reset - good work on that! Sadly I don't have a cable to try it out :-(

[moyse007]

I also installed it and it work fine: i've the icon on parametrs, but no cable anymore :(

[moyse007]

Available for 29 euros ship include for french buyer :
----> http://www.expansys.fr/p.aspx?i=170917&sbadd=170917

---> http://cgi.ebay.fr/HTC-TOUCH-PRO-TV-VIDEO-OUT-CABLE-AC-T110_W0QQitemZ300270436818QQihZ020QQcategoryZ20336 QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

[tissot]

Yes it worked to install.. Though I don't have that cable.. grr. Some one plz try it.. I'm drooling.. A lot of saliva on my shirt.. Hurry up and try it!

[kifeo]

I've learn something : if there is something you don't have, do it yourself!

does anyone have the schematic of the cable ? I could make it :)

(the pins on the TV-side : I know, but not on the usb cable ...)

Edit : what about that ?
http://www.expansys.fr/htc/p_htc_item.aspx?i=145166

Edit 2 :sorry, was for the advantage ...

[jarheadev]

Here is the HTC P/N for the TV-OUT cable: 73H00274-00M

Check out expansys for prices in your area:
http://www.expansys.com/p.aspx?i=170917

Oh.. and it looks like expansys has the same part number for a little cheaper...
https://www.expansys.com/p.aspx?i=171429

Whats the cheapest you can find it for??

[pzztgotbagz]

cab does not work on sprint touch diamond

[moyse007]

he refused to installed?
Or nothing new in parameters after installation?
Don't forget to soft reset the device :)

[jarheadev]

If you're taking the time to verify if the cab works with your touch diamond... can you post the part number/model number diamond you have?? Also, check the device information and verify if you have a MSM7201A or MSM7501A CPU

Cheers

[moyse007]

Ok, so Cab is ok for me with msm7201A CPU rom diamond stone fr 3.2 and 08 radio.

[pzztgotbagz]

like i said does not work on the SPRINT TOUCH DIAMOND ppc6950....but since u need further clarification its a device which works on the SPRINT network and has a MSM7501a chipshet...yes i did soft reset and yes the cable i have works on my SPRINT TOUCH PRO for video out.

[pzztgotbagz]

Ok, so Cab is ok for me with msm7201A CPU rom diamond stone fr 3.2 and 08 radio.

if your gonna post this information please state wether the actual video out works or just that the cab installs....the cab installed fine on my device but it does not transmit the video throught the cable

[pzztgotbagz]

and so i can clarify a little bettter.....the cab installs on the device....the tv out shows up in system......when u plug in the cable nothing happens......when u click the tv out app in system it says you need the cable....

[moyse007]

I've no cable to test it :(
I've install the cab , and now i've "tv out" in system, and like you, when i click on they asm me to put the cable input the phone.....
That's all ....

[jarheadev]

Have we ruled out registry settings?

[birkov10]

does anyone have the schematic of the cable ? I could make it :)

(the pins on the TV-side : I know, but not on the usb cable ...)
...

There is a Schematic on this thread:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=2610305



and so i can clarify a little bettter.....the cab installs on the device....the tv out shows up in system......when u plug in the cable nothing happens......when u click the tv out app in system it says you need the cable....


Well we must wait until other users test the cable with their Diamonds but, I suppose that something similar could happen.

Could you connect the Diamond to the TV and then run the file: \Windows\HTCTVOutPopUp.exe ?

Only to see if appears something on screen, without cable when you run the file it does nothing.

[birkov10]

Have we ruled out registry settings?

The .CAB has been built by hand so the keys are in the _setup.xml

I´ll post all the keys in way that you can check in yours Diamonds that all has been installed correctly.



[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\HTC\TVOutPopUp]
"1_AP_LINK"="\windows\ppt.exe"
"2_AP_LINK"="\windows\HTCAlbum.exe"
"3_AP_LINK"="\windows\OperaL.exe"
"4_AP_LINK"="\windows\YouTube.exe"
"TVMode"=dword:00000004


[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\OEM\MASD]
"TVOutPopUp"="1_0_18173231_0"


[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Drivers\BuiltIn\TVOUT]
"Dll"="OEM_Misc_Raphael.dll"
"Prefix"="TVO"
"Index"=dword:1
"Order"=dword:2
"IClass"="{A32942B7-920C-486b-B0E6-92A702A99B35}"


[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\HTC\H2W]
"TVOutCableIn"=dword:0
"ShowEarphoneIcon"=dword:0


[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\OEM\TVOutSetting]
"HiddenConnectSel"=dword:00000001


[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\HTC\TVOutPopUp]
"1_AP_NAME"="PowerPoint"
"2_AP_NAME"="Photos and vídeos"
"3_AP_NAME"="Internet"
"4_AP_NAME"="YouTube"




[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\ControlPanel\MyCpl\14]
"CmdLine"=""
"File"="TVOutSetting.exe"
"Description"="TVOutSetting"
"Name"="TV Out"

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\ControlPanel\TVOutSetting]
"Group"="2"





I have doubts with this key:

"IClass"="{A32942B7-920C-486b-B0E6-92A702A99B35}"

It seems to be some type of Hardware ID, and the problem is that it is the key from Raphael´s hardware. I don´t know how to confirm it so the software could not detect the cable because of that.

[dajudge01]

Change


[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\HTC\H2W]
"TVOutCableIn"=dword:0


to DWORD value "1" - that forces the TV Out settings app to display the config dialog instead of the "No cable" message - even if no cable is plugged. Still - I have no cable so I wouldn't know if that actually enabled us to have TV-out on the diamond. At least I get the PAL/NTSC etc. selection dialog.

As for the IClass key: That looks a hell of a lot like a standard MS GUID value - I really doubt it has something to do with the hardware. An educated guess without knowing anything about driver programming on the WiMo platform would be: it defines the type of driver to the system? Just a guess though.

Cheers,
Alex

[birkov10]

Change


[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\HTC\H2W]
"TVOutCableIn"=dword:0


to DWORD value "1" - that forces the TV Out settings app to display the config dialog instead of the "No cable" message..


Mmmh interesting, but again we must wait until somebody with a cable can test it.
Other thing that I haven´t checked with the CAB ( because i´ve cooked the TVOut into my ROM ) is that the library OEM_Misc_Raphael.dll is really loaded into memory, there is a key in drivers section that points to it:

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Drivers\BuiltIn\TVOUT]
"Dll"="OEM_Misc_Raphael.dll"


so I don´t know if the library is registered fine. Maybe would be necessary register the DLL as a service in way that it can detect the cable when it is plugged.


... it defines the type of driver to the system? Just a guess though.


Again I don´t know, I hope that somebody with more knowledge comes to rescue us :rolleyes:

[jarheadev]

Can anyone with another Touch Pro confirm the SAME IClass registry key?

[Blahzay]

.cab installed fine on my Diamond, i have the 7201A cpu.
Starting the program gives me the "cable is needed" message. Will try with cable at work tomorrow. Just a tought, when i tested this on a friends touch pro it switches to landsacpe mode, i guess one would need software to rotate the screen.

[prsnow]

Other thing that I haven´t checked with the CAB ( because i´ve cooked the TVOut into my ROM ) is that the library OEM_Misc_Raphael.dll is really loaded into memory, there is a key in drivers section that points to it:

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Drivers\BuiltIn\TVOUT]
"Dll"="OEM_Misc_Raphael.dll"

so I don´t know if the library is registered fine. Maybe would be necessary register the DLL as a service in way that it can detect the cable when it is plugged.

You could register the dll using Task Manager 3.1 (http://www.dotfred.net/TaskMgr.htm).

[dajudge01]

The IClass key definitely has nothing to do with a device ID or the like... It's related to interaction of a driver with the power management capabilities of the WiMo OS. If you want to know more:

http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms836806.aspx

Cheers,
Alex

[birkov10]

You could register the dll using Task Manager 3.1 (http://www.dotfred.net/TaskMgr.htm).

Yes, I know that in my device is loaded fine, but I don´t know if in the Diamonds, where was installed my cab, it is registered correctly.

... It's related to interaction of a driver with the power management capabilities of the WiMo OS...

Very interesting article, so we can forget about this key, now the problem is knowing if the Diamond really detects the video cable when it is plugged,
for that we can play with the next keys:

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\HTC\H2W]
"TVOutCableIn"=dword:1
"ShowEarphoneIcon"=dword:1

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\OEM\TVOutSetting]
"HiddenConnectSel"=dword:0


And if nothing works, well, we could lose time in other things :p

[pzztgotbagz]

post the new cab and i will try the cable again and see if it works

[dajudge01]

... now the problem is knowing if the Diamond really detects the video cable when it is plugged...

I don't know if the detection of the cable is really the issue at hand since we can already make the TV out application force into thinking the cable is plugged in by modifying a registry key... So I guess the interesting part is - once we've done that (either by detection or by registry manipulation) - does the TV out hardware actually do something in the diamond if the proper application is running? And if so: do its outputs get routed to the TV out cable?

Only someone with a raphael TV out cable can give answers to that at the moment.

Cheers,
Alex

[pzztgotbagz]

i tried the registry edit on the previous page and it still doesnt show any video out just an fyi

[riki1]

There is two files for instalation on this thread :

TVOutSetting.zip
TV Out - TEST.cab

don`t forget about it .

[riki1]

All my infromation about TVout is here :

http://diamond.forumotion.net/forum-f1/topic-t43.htm

(slovak word are not important)

[rocky50]

OK.Finally.Did anybody tried to connect HTC Touch Diamond with TV?Everybody tells that "will try" but.... .If you have TV-Out cable,HTC Diamond pls download the necessary software (cab,zip,exe files) posted here and try.Then share the result with us.

[moyse007]

Blahzay hate to try it today : look this message :

.cab installed fine on my Diamond, i have the 7201A cpu.
Starting the program gives me the "cable is needed" message. Will try with cable at work tomorrow. Just a tought, when i tested this on a friends touch pro it switches to landsacpe mode, i guess one would need software to rotate the screen.

[teddyen66]

I have just tested it.
Using it without cable, it tells me to insert cable.
With cable I get the possibility to change Pal/NTSC settings.
So it definately registers the cable, but there is no output Video or sound)on either my tested projector or on my tv/monitor.

So I guess something is missing.

The cable I use i the one from Expansys.

[moyse007]

Thanks, that's the beginning....
Just find what's wrong now :/

[rocky50]

I have just tested it.
Using it without cable, it tells me to insert cable.
With cable I get the possibility to change Pal/NTSC settings.
So it definately registers the cable, but there is no output Video or sound)on either my tested projector or on my tv/monitor.

So I guess something is missing.

The cable I use i the one from Expansys.

try to change AV channel on the TV.

[moyse007]

Some news of the testers?

[riki1]

I am waiting for cable , sorry :o

http://smartmania.mobilmania.cz/index.php?ind=news&op=news_show_single&ide=1082

[ntosdad]

Has anyone got tv out to work?

[crucytor]

Would it be possible to show f. e. navigation on an external display (like N95) or only the things shown in the picture:

[riki1]

I tested TV OUT cable with Diamond, but NO VIDEO OUT :mad:

http://diamond.forumotion.net/forum-f2/topic-t118.htm#601

We need same better program for TV OUT , because this one only make a setting for TV OUT ,I think :(

[moyse007]

:( Thanks for your test ;)
I hope somebody could create a cab to complete it ...

[riki1]

I hope too ,

Diamond have to switch to TV OUT mode automaticaly, when I insert TV OUT cable.

[birkov10]

We need same better program for TV OUT , because this one only make a setting for TV OUT ,I think :(

There is a problem with that, I´ve built a CAB with all the files that are in the default TVOut package from Raphael, even I´ve added some files and keys that I´ve found in the Windows folder ( the .dll file ), so I don´t believe that some file was missed but I hope that someone can do it work :)

[rocky50]

Maybe we can try to use HTC Touch PRO , software on diamond.I mean ROM.But it is not sure and it is dangerous... of course..

[riki1]

I try register the .dll manualy, but it is not possible , see this thread on the bottom :

http://diamond.forumotion.net/forum-f2/topic-t118.htm#610

[riri22]

I don't know much about these technical matters, but it seems to me that you are getting very close..

I'm still wondering two things though:
1) why loading those dll and files on internal storage?
Aren't such key ROM drivers supposed to be loaded from main memory, not internal storage.
2) it sounds like the cable is OK, the H/W is OK, the Dll is OK, and it just lacked some optimization like some registry entries etc.
If somebody could find all the registry entries related to this in the Raphael ROM, maybe the solution lies there...

That was just pure pointless noobish assumption, but since I'm interested in your work, I wanted to say keep it up!
;)

[birkov10]

I try register the .dll manualy, but it is not possible , see this thread on the bottom :

http://diamond.forumotion.net/forum-f2/topic-t118.htm#610

Mmm, I´m going to do some tests.
One thing as I said in other post is that the file "OEM_Misc_Raphael.dll" is the same file that is called "OEM_Misc.dll" in the Diamond, I changed the name because the .dll that comes with Diamond is newer, so to avoid problems instead replacing the file, I changed the name and the key that references it.


Tomorrow more.

[birkov10]

I wasn´t able to wait so I was looking for more keys referencing the library :p

I´ve attached an XML, it modifies some keys in way that now always loads "oem_misc_raphael.dll" instead of "oem_misc.dll".

¡¡¡¡¡WARNING!!!! The file oem_misc_raphael.dll have to be installed in Windows folder.

After import the keys it is necessary to do a soft reset, now the system will use ONLY the oem_misc_raphael.dll.


riki1, if you try to register the .dll with the taskmanager it will show an error ( I´ve tested with the Diamond "oem_misc.dll" and I have the same error so it isn´t a problem of the Raphael library).
You can check if the dll is loaded with the FdcSoft TaskManager, only go to the Devices tab and look for:

$device\TVO1(TVO1: )
$device\DEX1(DEX1: )

Both must appear in Status "Loaded", Startup Type "Automatic" and DLL "oem_misc_raphael.dll"


I hope that it will be useful :D

[riki1]

birkov10 >

thanks , I will test it this evening :)

[riki1]

birkov10 >

You tryed restart Diamond with OEM_MISC_Raphael only ?
I am afraid , if I import to register this , my Diamond will be dead :confused:

What is OEM_MISC.dll ?

[moyse007]

I think you must made a full backup of your registry with total commander before ..

[birkov10]

You tryed restart Diamond with OEM_MISC_Raphael only ?
I am afraid , if I import to register this , my Diamond will be dead :confused:


I´ve tested all the keys in my Diamond before upload the .xml and all is working fine. In case that you have some problem I can build a new CAB that restore the old settings.


What is OEM_MISC.dll ?


Looking in registry it seems to be an OEM driver, if you don´t load it, the PDA boots fine but some hardware ( like TVOut in Raphael ) won´t work.


The WARNING that I wrote in the previous post is because the modifyed keys loads the driver from the windows folder, if you want install the library in other folder you only need to modify the keys adding the new address.

[rocky50]

We must install a program that follows the commands of the actions when the certain program is openned.Then someone has to install the program on HTC Touch PRO and to plug the TV-out cabela and to follow what commands it does.Then we can see which files have started and to transfer them to HTC Touch Diamond.

[riki1]

birkov10 >

Why is uninstalling of birkovTVOUT not possible ? I try it , and it end with error. Uninstalling is not possible. Then new installtion ist not possible too.

I`d like to uninstall it, and then install again, because my first instalation was not very clear , I think.

[moyse007]

I've tried , i've a message which tell me that the soft was not full unistalled, and i've to accept to delete it form the installed soft list ....

After reseting the device: tv out is still in my parameters/ system , but not in the programm list ... :(

Something wrong anywhere...

[uniqueboy]

birkov10 >

Why is uninstalling of birkovTVOUT not possible ? I try it , and it end with error. Uninstalling is not possible. Then new installtion ist not possible too.

I`d like to uninstall it, and then install again, because my first instalation was not very clear , I think.

Try to re-install it over the top of the first installation, then install it again, see what happens. :)

[riki1]

I've tried , i've a message which tell me that the soft was not full unistalled, and i've to accept to delete it form the installed soft list ....

After reseting the device: tv out is still in my parameters/ system , but not in the programm list ... :(

Something wrong anywhere...

YES, the same in my Diamond , but i still have it in "Remove program list" (and I`ve accepted to delete it, but nothing happens)

[riki1]

Try to re-install it over the top of the first installation, then install it again, see what happens. :)

New installation is not possible because it end with : "Installation was unsuccesfull"

[sfld]

so i take it, tv-out on the diamond still doesnt work?

[uniqueboy]

New installation is not possible because it end with : "Installation was unsuccesfull"
Even when you do it again after that?

[riki1]

Even when you do it again after that?

I does it minimaly 5 times :confused:

[birkov10]

I don´t know, in my Diamond it uninstalls fine, maybe the problem is because the oem_misc_raphael.dll is still loaded into memory. I´ll try to do a CAB that remove the files

[funcio]

Hello,
I'm italian boy,i sold my eten x650 for the best phone "Diamond" that arrive tomorrow (278 euro, new )... I hope...
I find this forum very interesting... When diamond arrive i would apply all tweaks!!! I think diamond is the best phone of the world...
I Hope you do this hack...full power boys!!!!

[birkov10]

Well, as I couldn´t reproduce the same error I´ve cooked a new room without the TVOut package, now I´m reflashing my Diamond and later I´m going to install the CAB to check where could be the error while it is uninstalling.

[riki1]

I don´t know, in my Diamond it uninstalls fine, maybe the problem is because the oem_misc_raphael.dll is still loaded into memory. I´ll try to do a CAB that remove the files

There is no problem to delete oem_misc_raphael.dll in windows folder , it means , I think , it is not in memory, it is not in use. I manualy delete all in registri (except of one TVOUT key, it is not possible to delete, but I delete his content ) and all in windows folder, and restart Diamond, but still Birkov TVOUT is in "Installed program" list , and new instalation is not possible.

[birkov10]

I found the problem but I can´t solve it.

When the CAB is installed, it creates the necessary keys to load the DLL and all works fine, the failure is caused by: "HKLM\Drivers\BuiltIn\TVOUT"
When you try to uninstall the program, Windows doesn´t let remove this key, so the uninstall fails and the program isn´t removed from the "programs list"

I´ve made other CAB that remove the keys and the files, but the "Birkov TVOut" still appears into the "programs list". I suppose that the name of the programs are saved in a file instead in the registry.

Also when you install the cab, a folder ( Windows\AppMgr\Birkov TVOut\ ) is automatically created with the info necessary to uninstall it, but even erasing this folder, the program still appears into the "programs list" :(

[riki1]

I found the problem but I can´t solve it.

When the CAB is installed, it creates the necessary keys to load the DLL and all works fine, the failure is caused by: "HKLM\Drivers\BuiltIn\TVOUT"
When you try to uninstall the program, Windows doesn´t let remove this key, so the uninstall fails and the program isn´t removed from the "programs list"


YES , it is the big problem, I think too :confused:


I´ve made other CAB that remove the keys and the files, but the "Birkov TVOut" still appears into the "programs list". I suppose that the name of the programs are saved in a file instead in the registry.

YES, I can`t found this file :(


Also when you install the cab, a folder ( Windows\AppMgr\Birkov TVOut\ ) is automatically created with the info necessary to uninstall it, but even erasing this folder, the program still appears into the "programs list" :(

It is new infomation for me (this folder), thanks :)

[birkov10]

I believe that I´ve found the solution to uninstall my cab.

First you have to remove the folder Windows\AppMgr\Birkov TVOut\


Second install the Fix_TVOut_Uninstall.cab ( it doesn´t add something to the "programs list" ) then do a softreset

Third Go to System tab and select uninstall Birkov TVOut and do a softreset.

In my Diamond worked fine so I need confirmation of other users to build a new Cab that can be uninstalled without problem.

Removed file until I build one that works

[markdb77]

Has anyone actually had success with getting video out of their Sprint Diamond ?

[riki1]

I believe that I´ve found the solution to uninstall my cab.

First you have to remove the folder Windows\AppMgr\Birkov TVOut\


Second install the Fix_TVOut_Uninstall.cab ( it doesn´t add something to the "programs list" ) then do a softreset

Third Go to System tab and select uninstall Birkov TVOut and do a softreset.

In my Diamond worked fine so I need confirmation of other users to build a new Cab that can be uninstalled without problem.

Sorry , it is not working on my Diamond, I still have Birkov TVOUT in Program list and uninstal is not possible :(

[hamid reza]

Try to hard reset or changing the rom we are waiting !!

[riki1]

birkov10 >

in your fix cab there is a "Archivos de programa" folder , but my windows is ENG. What kind of WM do you use ?

[riki1]

Try to hard reset or changing the rom we are waiting !!

:eek::rolleyes:

[birkov10]

birkov10 >

in your fix cab there is a "Archivos de programa" folder , but my windows is ENG. What kind of WM do you use ?


Upps, sorry I´m Spanish and forgot to change the folders name :p

I will upload a new version ( it´s a pity that in the regkeys you can not use variables like %CE1% )

------------
UPDATED: I´ve uploaded a new version with the correct folder name in the previous post ( the folder is "Program files" so if you have a non english ROM ( like me ) this fix won´t work )

[riki1]

birkov10 >

it is still not working :( , same like prewious version .

[birkov10]

birkov10 >

it is still not working :( , same like prewious version .


Argggh It´s a headache.

Can you try to install again the "Birkov_TVOut.cab"?
I know that it fails, but it will create "Windows\AppMgr\Birkov TVOut\" and inside this folder must be some file with extension .tmp

If you can upload this file I will check it.
In my Diamond I´ve uninstalled fine my CAB modifying this file.

[riki1]

birkov10>

here are

[birkov10]

birkov10>
here are

Aaaaah you installed the program in the "internal storage" not in the main memory, I will kick your ass :p

Wait some minutes and I will upload a new file :D

[birkov10]

Well, new fix with the folders that you use in your Diamond.

Remeber, first remove the Windows\AppMgr\Birkov TVOut\
and then install the new CAB.

The CAB contains the instructions to remove also the files so it could fail if you removed it before.

I´ve removed the file because doesn´t work

[uniqueboy]

This is some cool stuff, but why isn't there more help with this? I don't think there's anything I can do, but I know that there are folks around here that know the inner workings of Diamonds well enough to offer some clues. To my mind this is really fascinating and seems ever closer, so if anyone has any suggestions to help out here.....? :)

[riki1]

Well, new fix with the folders that you use in your Diamond.

Remeber, first remove the Windows\AppMgr\Birkov TVOut\
and then install the new CAB.

The CAB contains the instructions to remove also the files so it could fail if you removed it before.

No, it is not working on my Diamond , but don`t wory about it. If I can chose installing to Internal storage or My device I always chose Internal storage, it is normal I think. But Birkov TVOUT is installing to My device, even if I chose Internal storage.


Now I have installed TVOUT(may be not very good, but ...), if I am going to taskmanager, in a device list there is device "$device\TVO1(TVO1:)" Unloaded.
If I find it in registri there is HKLM\Drivers\BuiltIn\TVOUT, and in this key there is OEM_Misc_Raphael.dll , but if I manually START this device, Diamond is frozen and I have to restart it with red button with stylus :(

[riki1]

This is some cool stuff, but why isn't there more help with this? I don't think there's anything I can do, but I know that there are folks around here that know the inner workings of Diamonds well enough to offer some clues. To my mind this is really fascinating and seems ever closer, so if anyone has any suggestions to help out here.....? :)

We don`t now, if TVOUT will work ever in Diamond, we dont now if TVOUT pin on chip is connected. But we try it !

[riki1]

I have tryed stop (unload) device DEX1 (it is OEM_misc.dll) and then I try START device TVO1 , but effect is same , frozen Diamond :confused:

[birkov10]

I have tryed stop (unload) device DEX1 (it is OEM_misc.dll) and then I try START device TVO1 , but effect is same , frozen Diamond :confused:


Wait some minutes, I´m building a new cab for you

[birkov10]

Hi riki1, first I´m going to explain the file.

When you install any program, Windows automatically creates a folder ( in this case: "Windows\AppMgr\Birkov TVOut" ) with a .tmp file inside.

The .tmp file is really an .XML file ( in fact is the _setup.xml that comes inside the .CAB ) that contains the instructions to uninstall the software.

I´ve edited the .tmp in way that it doesn´t remove some key or file but it should erase the program name from the "programs list" .

So again:

1 - Erase the "Windows\AppMgr\Birkov TVOut"
2 - Install the riki1_TVOut2.cab
3 - Soft Reset
4 - Go to System Tab and select "Uninstall Birkov TVOut"
5 - Soft Reset
6 - Cross your fingers :D
7 - Tell me if works

[riki1]

Sorry, not working , working only "Cross your fingers" :D


Did you read this , I wrote it before :

No, it is not working on my Diamond , but don`t wory about it. If I can chose installing to Internal storage or My device I always chose Internal storage, it is normal I think. But Birkov TVOUT is installing to My device, even if I chose Internal storage.


Now I have installed TVOUT(may be not very good, but ...), if I am going to taskmanager, in a device list there is device "$device\TVO1(TVO1" Unloaded.
If I find it in registri there is HKLM\Drivers\BuiltIn\TVOUT, and in this key there is OEM_Misc_Raphael.dll , but if I manually START this device, Diamond is frozen and I have to restart it with red button with stylus

[birkov10]

Sorry, not working , working only "Cross your fingers" :D
Did you read this , I wrote it before...

Yes I did, with the taskmanager go to Menu->Actions->Install provision.XML
and load the .XML that I´ve attached to this post.

It removes the files related with the TVOut and change the keys to the original values, then do a softreset and tell me if still appears the $device\TVO1(TVO1)

[riki1]

I can remove device TVO1 and all files and keys (except TVOUT key in registry, it is not possible to delete, but I can delete his content) manually, I don`t need program for it.

I want to asked you , device TVO1 is in your Diamond loaded ?

[birkov10]

...

I want to asked you , device TVO1 is in your Diamond loaded ?

Yes, it appears loaded after I´ve installed the original .CAB, if I uninstall it the device doesn´t appears in my taskmanager.

I was doing more tests in my Diamond that makes me believe that the output video can not be enabled, I´ve replaced all the keys that load the OEM_MISC.dll in way that now it loads always OEM_MISC_Raphael.dll.

Problem, now the Diamond is hanged while it is booting the operating system so I have to do a Hard Reset, it makes me believe that the hardware of Diamond and Touch Pro are different, I´m going to do more tests, but ...

[riki1]

Problem, now the Diamond is hanged while it is booting the operating system so I have to do a Hard Reset, it makes me believe that the hardware of Diamond and Touch Pro are different, I´m going to do more tests, but ...


good luck !

[birkov10]

good luck !

Thanks, but after 4 hard resets I desist :(, if I try to replace the original function of Diamond ( oem_misc.dll ) by the library used in the Touch Pro ( oem_misc_raphael.dll ) the system is always hanged. I suppose the only reason because the system works using my original CAB, is because the video hardware output (in case that this exists) isn´t activated so really the system does nothing with the library.

I´ve added the devices one by one replacing the keys in way that it loads the oem_misc_raphael.dll instead the oem_misc.dll but always is the same, the system is completely hanged and it is necessary to do a hard reset.

Sorry for the problems that my CAB has caused but I don´t believe that I can do more to solve it.

[riki1]

I have no problem, because I not used oem_misc_raphalel.dll only , like you .
I wrote it before :

"You tryed restart Diamond with OEM_MISC_Raphael only ?
I am afraid , if I import to register this , my Diamond will be dead "

I learn lot of about WM , thanks you .

[riki1]

birkov10 >

One question : When you used oem_misc_raphael.dll only , you rename it to oem_misc.dll , or you used it with name oem_misc_raphael.dll ?

[birkov10]

birkov10 >

One question : When you used oem_misc_raphael.dll only , you rename it to oem_misc.dll , or you used it with name oem_misc_raphael.dll ?

I´ve used it with name "oem_misc_raphael.dll" and change the register keys in way that load my dll instead of the original "oem_misc.dll", as result the system is freezed during boot and you need to do a hard reset.

The experiment only works if you left the original keys loading the oem_misc.dll and use the oem_misc_raphael.dll with the TVOut keys, so I suppose that none video hardware is initialized and the Diamond works without crashing.

[foolsgold]

@riki1 - no offense, but the term 'douche bag' comes to mind after reading your posts to birkov10. This thread was about getting TV-out working on a Touch Diamond, not about _your_ software uninstall woes.
You have successfully hijacked this thread. :mad:
If you are having issues with a small bit of pre-development software, you should have understood the risks before installing it. And seriously, if your uninstall problems are so confounding, simply head over to a forum that discusses how to flash your phone with a new clean ROM, and stay there until you are sorted out.

@birkov10 - Seems you hit a brick wall. Hopefully something new will come from your developments, because every single Diamond owner is rooting for you and developers like you to unlock the TV-out feature. Best of luck! :D

Cheers!

[dajudge01]

@riki1 - no offense, but the term 'douche bag' comes to mind after reading your posts to birkov10. This thread was about getting TV-out working on a Touch Diamond, not about _your_ software uninstall woes.
You have successfully hijacked this thread. :mad:
If you are having issues with a small bit of pre-development software, you should have understood the risks before installing it. And seriously, if your uninstall problems are so confounding, simply head over to a forum that discusses how to flash your phone with a new clean ROM, and stay there until you are sorted out.

@birkov10 - Seems you hit a brick wall. Hopefully something new will come from your developments, because every single Diamond owner is rooting for you and developers like you to unlock the TV-out feature. Best of luck! :D

Cheers!

Well said - I second that.

Cheers,
Alex

[riki1]

dajudge01,foolsgold > two stupid man :rolleyes:

I was the only , who realy tested TV software for birkov10, you can buy the TV out cable and test it too. Why you don`t test it ? Because you are lazy !

[foolsgold]

:)

It's fantastic that you got the TV cable, HTC should award you with a medal.

Better yet, why not buy yourself your very own medal, and send the cable back to HTC for a refund?

p.s. Don't forget to ask for the medal's uninstallation instructions, in case it gets stuck around your neck. :eek:

:rolleyes:

[uniqueboy]

Some pointless comments here, part of developing a functional app. includes making it removable, at the end of the day we need to keep this thread alive and all problems associated with any developments posted here are up for friendly discussion! :)

[riki1]

Problem is, that OEM_Misc.dll from Raphael don`t work on Diamond, if you replace Diamond OEM_Misc.dll with Raphael dll , Diamond don`t start, Birkov have tested it, and then only hard reset help.

I tryed load TVO1 device manualy (with OEM_misc_raphael.dll) but then Diamond is dead (frozen) .

We need some other software, I think.

[birkov10]

Relax people!

Riki1 was very helpful, the problem was that my cab had a bug causing that it fails when you try to unistall it.

As riki1 has said, when you load the library that I´ve ported from Raphael, the system is hanged, so the problem seem to be in that the Touch Pro and Diamond´s hardware are different.

On the other hand I´ve found other library ( H2W_ACCESSORY.dll ) that could be related with the video output, but I don´t know...

If someone has some interest I can build a new cab.

[rocky50]

Ok.We are so close to positive end.Let's try different ways to reach it.

[riki1]

Relax people!

Riki1 was very helpful, the problem was that my cab had a bug causing that it fails when you try to unistall it.

As riki1 has said, when you load the library that I´ve ported from Raphael, the system is hanged, so the problem seem to be in that the Touch Pro and Diamond´s hardware are different.

On the other hand I´ve found other library ( H2W_ACCESSORY.dll ) that could be related with the video output, but I don´t know...

If someone has some interest I can build a new cab.

Do you have a new cab ? And TVO1 device is "loaded" after you apply this cab on your phone ?

[joey7415963]

Whoa! I never knew this thread was still going, I never received the email updates untill now!!!!!

Good on all of you for keeping this alive!

[rickrugz]

my brain hurts after all that :D

[xelectro87x]

my brain hurts after all that :D

my brain too...i´m reading here since 9am o´clock today...fact is, that the TV-Out doesn´t works currently on the Touch Diamond.

(Sorry for my bad english, but school is a long time ago)

Can i help you? Some tests or something?

kind regards,
Jochen

[nuke1]

*bump*

This thread deserves not to die. Please, keep at it. When I saw the name of this thread, I was getting ready for a laugh as I didn't believe it. But it actually seems a possibility.

Keep it up, birkov10. You're the man, man. :D

[Lord_BlackAdder]

So close, yet so far away:(

I love my Diamond. Only things missing are:

1. TV-OUT
2. Manila HD (stock tab)

[nuke1]

So close, yet so far away:(

I love my Diamond. Only things missing are:

1. TV-OUT
2. Manila HD (stock tab)
Your wish, my friend, has been fulfilled! :D

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=443777

[uniqueboy]

Has anyone seen this thead (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=452077) on the raphael forum? There is a .cab someone extracted posted there.:)

[hdzsound]

All people here try to swap dll and executable from other HTC phone. (Those manipulation IMO, can broke up your phone)Anyway,(keep trying)does someone know how Tv-Out work on other HTC device. Does we have some hardware tips. Someone got to have acess to broken HTC phon!?!??

[Seifeddine]

Guys I do have both the DIAMOND and the USB TV out cable. If you tell me what you want tested I am happy to crash test my DIAMOND.

[mbazdell]

Here is what I don't get. If it's believed to be ROM issue, and the diamond and pro have the EXACT same hardware minus keyboard and blah blah blah... Can't you flash on a Pro ROM onto a Diamond and test the video out? Granted the OS might have a few complaints about missing hardware but if it boots then you can take missing files off the list of possibilities...

[bmxmike]

I was just wondering is this TVOut using the Pro cab file? One of the problems might be that some of the dll's and other things are named differently,or possibly hardware names. Just wondering if the registry has been gone through to look at registry entries with the cable "Detected" from the people who are getting it and some of the entries add by the program

[Mstry4u]

If the Diamond can do it through the cradle then look at the cradle hardware and break it down. Especially if the Pro and the Diamond have same everything else. Could it be a powered cradle or Host/Slave USB registration that kicks the function into gear. I'm about to buy and extra cradle to part into a portable form factor. My goal is to use the diamond as the basis for wrist communicator with video out to MicroOptics heads up display, then pair with Bluetooth QWERTY thumb keyboard and not only do you have the best watch phone ever, because you can take it out and use it for a phone, but I can access Echolink on my main Puter through Logmein.com and control a Ametur Radio Node at home, all from my watch/diamond. APRS/GPS on my wrist! Now that would be badass!

[Chatty]

Who said it works with cradle?

[Mstry4u]

What if you use the USB Host (which does exist now) to hook up a SDIO card reader then use a SDIO video card to video?:)

[avantime]

Thank you! I`ll buy the necessary components. Hope it works!

one question tho`... how do you charge the phone while connected to the sdio card reader?... I want to connect my phone to my car`s 7' LCD display in order to see gps directions. In gps mode the diamond doesn`t last very long...

where did you see that the usb host function works? Do you have a link?

[mancukya]

Raphael was as different as if Diamond watch program as MyMobiler WebCamera or more we can have a TV-out.
you just need good drivers and good program even as Diamond is not compatible can be output tv-out.
with talented programmer xda. I'm sure you can get.
it may be that lightning does not only copy of Raphael and just for diamond.

[Noonski]

The Saga Continues.

Looks like most that needed to be tried has been looked at.

I will need a Cable first to play with My T-Pro.

Read up a bit.

Still some more to explore but maybe i overlooked it in the hasted reading.

1. Check the mentioned OEMmisc.dll files for other file dependencies.
2. Check the Mentioned Files for other Registy settings still missing from the already found registries.
(missing a few extra Regs)
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\OEM\TVOutSetting]
"HiddenConnectSel"=dword:00000001
Tahoma??
SysLangMUI??
DisablePopUp??
UITVMode?? (?? don't know if these are Dwords and which values these should be)
3. RegDump before ever using the TV out on a Pro and RegDump after just incase to make sure no extra registries are being overseen.
4. Compare the Lower intestines of the Diamond Drivers and DLL's (H2W_ACCESSORY.dll & OEM_misc_raphael.dll) and perform a LP while we are at it. (no more House MD for me Tonight)
5. Anyone Cooked the Files Yet?

Also this thread belongs more in the Rom Dev Thread, So i moved.

[rocky50]

some good news?

[xerxesb]

<bump />

has anyone with a cable and diamond had luck with this? following with interest.

[charly_mx]

Why would anyone use the diamond as a TV out??? :( With what purpose???? :)

[XavierGr]

Why would anyone use the diamond as a TV out??? :( With what purpose???? :)

For the same that the Touch Pro has.

[AngelGR]

Mainly for view pictures on your TV, or for use it as portable video player.

[xerxesb]

Mainly for view pictures on your TV, or for use it as portable video player.

yep - i was hoping i could use it as a poor-man's portable media centre

[Scenicview]

I use for Powerpoint presentations using a tV instead of a projector.

[Sergio PC]

Why would anyone use the diamond as a TV out??? :( With what purpose???? :)
Naaa hes just joking. Not really serious.

[AngelGR]

yep - i was hoping i could use it as a poor-man's portable media centre
Don't lie, a poor-man doesn't have a Diamond. :D

[xerxesb]

Don't lie, a poor-man doesn't have a Diamond. :D

That's half-true. ;) If I were richer, I'd have bought the Touch HD and wouldn't be having this discussion

in any event, given that there have been a number of responses i'm guessing that people are still interested in whether there has been progress since last year.

hopefully someone will enlighten soon :)

[leomandelbrot]

any news???

[GriFolle]

Evenif this thread seems to be locked to a "no way point", I'm always pretty sure that (if some "guru" contiues to work on it) it's possible to let the tv-out to work.

So: why don't we make a "REWARD" on this project? If we are a lot to do this maybe someone will be encouraged to work on this development...

I assicure my support donation...and you?

[xerxesb]

agreed - i'm happy to donate for this purpose.....hell, i'm also a dev so i'm happy to try and help if i could get my hands on the cable!

[Lord_BlackAdder]

Me too. I am happy to donate as I think this is the only missing feature for Diamond, now that I have the Manila HD with stock tab from CT's ROM. BTW, the Touch HD doesn't have TV-OUT feature either. Only the Touch Pro has it.

[Noonski]

Cable's been out of stock for a while.

Want it anyway for my Pro and love to do some testing with all that's been tried and documented here so far.

[solidkundi]

bump..any updates...

i have one question....
what if you install the Diamond ROM on the Touch PRO...and see if the tv out doesn't work...

i think that could confirm that its a software /hardware related issue...

my bad if someone else already proposed that!!!

Thnx
looking forward to a possible Tv-out for Diamond

[rmkeizer]

i am willing to donate 20 euro for a working tv out