I own the only AT&T Touch Pro I know of :O

[Black93300ZX]

Ill take it for 5,000 I dare you to sell it to me for that!

Paypal me the money, tommy.bres@gmail.com ... I'll have it shipped overnight tomorrow. I love the phone, but for 5k... I need the money. :)

[Black93300ZX]

Dammit, I hope that changed keyboard dosen't stay, I was loving the fact that the new model had a row just for number keys.

I mean, seriously, WHAT WERE THEY THINKING, replacing the number row with a symbol row? How likely is somebody going to use / or # or * over 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 0? Why would they do this?

Sigh, I wonder if its possible to import an unlocked phone from somewhere else and flash it with the US firmware..... I wonder if there is a way to keep the second camera functional in this way.

That has been discussed many a time, and from using it I've come to realize I like this keyboard more. I was one of the strongest supporters of the all number row, but seriously, don't knock it till ya tried it. ;-)

[Black93300ZX]

1. Can you speed test your device while on 3G? (Select 1MB from the link below)
http://www.dslreports.com/mspeed?jisok=1&more=1
Sure, but I'm at the border of a 3G zone, barely within it... So if the speed is less than expected, you can blame the network more so than the phone. Since everyone doubts every word I say, here's proof:
http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a258/The300ZX/3gcoverage.jpg?t=1218762905
Pin is me, after entering my address at att.com/wireless

1 bar of 3G, no HSDPA, test came up with 471-502kb/s over a few times run through it.

2. Can you turn off 3G? There's an option to turn off the data connection, but it just reconnects when I try to use something that requires data.

4. Is your ROM the same as the one leaked here?
Indeed, I checked the ROM and radio and they're the same.

[ez345]

4. Is your ROM the same as the one leaked here?
Indeed, I checked the ROM and radio and they're the same.

very good news....cant wait for hardspl to come out and check if 3G is enabled on the EU versions, havent gotten one yet still awaiting for someone to check the AT&T Rom

[lewcamino]

1. Can you speed test your device while on 3G? (Select 1MB from the link below)
http://www.dslreports.com/mspeed?jisok=1&more=1
Sure, but I'm at the border of a 3G zone, barely within it... So if the speed is less than expected, you can blame the network more so than the phone. Since everyone doubts every word I say, here's proof:
http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a258/The300ZX/3gcoverage.jpg?t=1218762905
Pin is me, after entering my address at att.com/wireless

***Battery's charging now, almost done, result pending as I don't want to pull it off power before a full charge (and 3G coverage is even worse in my basement).***

2. Can you turn off 3G? There's an option to turn off the data connection, but it just reconnects when I try to use something that requires data.

4. Is your ROM the same as the one leaked here?
Indeed, I checked the ROM and radio and they're the same.


1. Thanks man. The test results would be best if you had "great" 3G signal.

2. The setting may be under phone > options > Band > "select network type" to GSM. If the "Band" tab is there, a picture of all the options on it may put a lot of arguments to rest.

4. Thanks again.

[Black93300ZX]

1. Thanks man. The test results would be best if you had "great" 3G signal.

2. The setting may be under phone > options > Band > "select network type" to GSM. If the "Band" tab is there, a picture of all the options on it may put a lot of arguments to rest.


1. Yeah, maybe next time I'm down in NY I'll test it, my location is buried in a 3G zone down there (obviously, it's NYC).

2. Not there, just checked. Lame. :(

[jethro_static]

It's about an hour with no posts.Tired of asking guys? LOL

[Black93300ZX]

It's about an hour with no posts.Tired of asking guys? LOL

Haha I think after 51 pages they've run out of questions. Have any yourself?

[darkshadow46236]

I'd like to ask a few questions:
* how slow is the device in switching between landscape and portrait?
Faster than any other WinMo device I've seen when in the same program, when you're in TF3D and it has to transfer it takes 1-2 seconds.

* how long does it take to charge (plugged into wall, not via computer usb)?
Someone asked me earlier this morning, I'd started charging at 3:30AM and when I checked for him at 5:56AM it was full... From completely drained, it died on me. Beyond that, I don't know.

* what is the preformance like with multiple apps open? I know the ram should be fine, but the cpu + graphics are handling a 4x time load drawing the screen than the 400mhz vogue (which is what I have).
Well, since I feel I haven't given any "substance" to this thread, I decided to be nice and run a test for you. Activesync open, opera with 3 tabs open, album open showing 1 picture, solitaire open, youtube app open, teeter open, and i opened up skyfire to view youtube within the browser while panning the window around the video... The results?

Perfect, as if no programs were running at all.

* Wifi signal strength? how is it? I'm not asking you to walk as far as you can till you lose signal, but on average does it seem better or worse than other devices?
A little better than my R20 Satellite laptop (I don't even want to say that out loud)

Hey thanks alot man. It's really nice of you to answer all these questions.

Dang Opera with three tabs alone will make a small but noticeable effect on performance of the vogue. This thing really is leagues better.

One more question - I'm looking at the interface walkthrough by theunwired and while in Opera the guy can zoom in/out by spinning around the dpad like a ipod scrollwheel. Does yours do that too, or was it some extra software not included in the AT&T version?

[jethro_static]

Haha I think after 51 pages they've run out of questions. Have any yourself?I wanna see the 5k offer happen. That is history baby! The most expensive non jeweled phone don't yah think?

[Black93300ZX]

Hey thanks alot man. It's really nice of you to answer all these questions.

Dang Opera with three tabs alone will make a small but noticeable effect on performance of the vogue. This thing really is leagues better.

One more question - I'm looking at the interface walkthrough by theunwired and while in Opera the guy can zoom in/out by spinning around the dpad like a ipod scrollwheel. Does yours do that too, or was it some extra software not included in the AT&T version?

Oh no, that's standard. D-pad is the only way to zoom in and out except double tapping (which only has 1 zoom level). HTC president Peter Chou said they did this to make it a "truly 1 handed PDA experience" and as he said it he made a pinching motion, obviously taking a shot at the iPhone. ;-) It's touch sensitive as well as having 4 click button arrows around the outside.

[darkshadow46236]

1. Thanks man. The test results would be best if you had "great" 3G signal.

2. The setting may be under phone > options > Band > "select network type" to GSM. If the "Band" tab is there, a picture of all the options on it may put a lot of arguments to rest.

4. Thanks again.

I just noticed in the unwired review of the unlocked version the disable 3G function is under settings - connections - advanced network. I'd like to also ask if you could check if it's there or not.

[tupisdin]

Black93300ZX please contact me by PM if you want to unlock your device.

[jethro_static]

I don't know if this was ask already but is there a tv out input?

[darkshadow46236]

Oh no, that's standard. D-pad is the only way to zoom in and out except double tapping (which only has 1 zoom level). HTC president Peter Chou said they did this to make it a "truly 1 handed PDA experience" and as he said it he made a pinching motion, obviously taking a shot at the iPhone. ;-) It's touch sensitive as well as having 4 click button arrows around the outside.

Thanks again man. Yeah I've heard that many of the iPhone users find their device to really be a two handed device. Another point for the touch pro.

[McHale]

Didn't you say you were using skyfire on it? Non related question: What's the big deal about Skyfire? Been using it a couple days and I'm just not that impressed with it. What am I missing?

-Mc

[Black93300ZX]

I just noticed in the unwired review of the unlocked version the disable 3G function is under settings - connections - advanced network. I'd like to also ask if you could check if it's there or not.

Under advanced network there is only 1 setting, and that is PAP or CHAP authentication (as if I have a clue what that means).

[Black93300ZX]

Didn't you say you were using skyfire on it? Non related question: What's the big deal about Skyfire. Been using it a couple days and I'm just not that impressed with it. What am I missing?

-Mc

Supports ALMOST every single type of plugin that a PC browser does, so youtube/break/etc all play right in the browser. I love it, except for compatibility issues with the Raphael. One thing I found that it can't do, MLB.COM GAMEDAY, RAWRRRRRR I can't watch my Mets. :(

[Black93300ZX]

I don't know if this was ask already but is there a tv out input?

TV out cable available, I'll give you a review if you buy me the cable haha. $27.

[Black93300ZX]

By the way, anyone who needs an unlock code for their Diamond/Raphael go to http://www.htccode.com/ , I just got mine. Can't check it now because I only have AT&T sim cards around, but we shall see. Woot.

[jethro_static]

TV out cable available, I'll give you a review if you buy me the cable haha. $27.I buy U cable if the 5k happen. LOL gotcha! Dang I wanna know how good the video on the big screen. Hmmmm. Is the $900 ur last money? LOL again.

[jethro_static]

Can anybody donate a cable? I'm a broke ass MF.

[McHale]

Supports ALMOST every single type of plugin that a PC browser does, so youtube/break/etc all play right in the browser. I love it, except for compatibility issues with the Raphael. One thing I found that it can't do, MLB.COM GAMEDAY, RAWRRRRRR I can't watch my Mets. :(

ahhhh... gotcha. I have been running mobile formatted websites on it and wondering what the big deal was.

I'll give you a tip on the MLB gameday, try watching the Cubs on it. :)

-Mc

[nthdgreee]

So how does the Touch Pro in terms of heat build up. I know when talking on my 8525 it seems to get pretty warm pretty fast.

[Black93300ZX]

I'll give you a tip on the MLB gameday, try watching the Cubs on it. :)

-Mc

Why would I want to use SkyFire to watch a losing team?


OH BURN, gtfo with your 100 year drought. :-D

[Black93300ZX]

So how does the Touch Pro in terms of heat build up. I know when talking on my 8525 it seems to get pretty warm pretty fast.

This thing has been ice cold through all sorts of use, I can't figure out why. Never even gets a little warm, no less hot.

[Technology]

Supports ALMOST every single type of plugin that a PC browser does, so youtube/break/etc all play right in the browser. I love it, except for compatibility issues with the Raphael. One thing I found that it can't do, MLB.COM GAMEDAY, RAWRRRRRR I can't watch my Mets. :(Get that SlingBox and carry the Mets with you anywhere you go....................!:D

[Black93300ZX]

I buy U cable if the 5k happen. LOL gotcha! Dang I wanna know how good the video on the big screen. Hmmmm. Is the $900 ur last money? LOL again.

If I told you all of the debt I was already in BEFORE buying this thing, you guys would think I'm really die hard for sinking myself even deeper. Not to mention, I don't have a job right now... Ugh.

[Black93300ZX]

Get that SlingBox and carry the Mets with you anywhere you go....................!:D

I plan on it! Plant it in my house in NY, then watch them while I'm up here in MA... Perfect!

Except, read the post I just made before this one... I'm broke as **** and in tons of debt, I can't afford another $200+ right now. Haha, if anyone wants to donate, not because I'm contributing with cooked ROMs or software, but because I'm broke and can't get a job (AT&T turned me down most recently, how ironic)... Paypal donation info is now in sig. ;-)

[nthdgreee]

Pay no mind. Double post error

How does the Touch Pro do in terms of heat build up? I know my 8525 seems to heat up pretty quickly even after talking on it for only a short while.

[jethro_static]

If I told you all of the debt I was already in BEFORE buying this thing, you guys would think I'm really die hard for sinking myself even deeper. Not to mention, I don't have a job right now... Ugh.That 5k would really help.

[McHale]

Why would I want to use SkyFire to watch a losing team?

:eek:

How can someone smart enough to watch Gameday not know that the cubs are 9 friggin games above the Mets?!?! :) If we could sweep our next series, we'll be 30 games above .500. Not too shabby for a losing team.

Ya gotta give me this one. May be another 100 years before we see another shot at a trophy!

-Mc

[Black93300ZX]

:eek:

How can someone smart enough to watch Gameday not know that the cubs are 9 friggin games above the Mets?!?! :) If we could sweep our next series, we'll be 30 games above .500. Not too shabby for a losing team.

Ya gotta give me this one. May be another 100 years before we see another shot at a trophy!

-Mc

Doesn't matter, nobody's beating the Angels in the playoffs. :(

[nthdgreee]

This thing has been ice cold through all sorts of use, I can't figure out why. Never even gets a little warm, no less hot.

That's great to hear! I've come so close to buying one from Clove Technology only to chicken out at the last minute. I'm on AT&T so I guess I'm just waiting to hear if one of the cooked ROM's will allow the EU version to work on the US AT&T network.

[McHale]

I'm on AT&T so I guess I'm just waiting to hear if one of the cooked ROM's will allow the EU version to work on the US AT&T network.

We all are...

[ez345]

We all are...

if we're all waiting...whos gonna check to see if it works lmao :D

[lewcamino]

I just noticed in the unwired review of the unlocked version the disable 3G function is under settings - connections - advanced network. I'd like to also ask if you could check if it's there or not.

This is where you would disabled data entirely. I wanted him to just diasble 3G. Use only Edge. Then compare the results.

[Black93300ZX]

if we're all waiting...whos gonna check to see if it works lmao :D

I was all set to preorder the day it became available, then bring it in and flash it... But I went for this obviously, as it's less work and less money.

[Black93300ZX]

This is where you would disabled data entirely. I wanted him to just diasble 3G. Use only Edge. Then compare the results.

Edge is lame. I can do an Edge speed check, but it'd just be in an area of my house where there's not enough signal for 3G.

[McHale]

if we're all waiting...whos gonna check to see if it works lmao :D

there are quite a few people that have it on order and should be delivered any day now. So, we should see within the week...

[lewcamino]

Edge is lame. I can do an Edge speed check, but it'd just be in an area of my house where there's not enough signal for 3G.

3G Data speed working on your device is what we are all waiting to see. We know that the device will get EDGE on AT&T network (voice & slow data) but according to specs it won't do 3G WCDMA data.

This test means everything to me (when it comes to buying one of these).

[nthdgreee]

there are quite a few people that have it on order and should be delivered any day now. So, we should see within the week...

If it turns out that flashing the Touch Pro EU version with the AT&T ROM works as expected, then that's all I'll need to make the jump.

[Black93300ZX]

3G Data speed working on your device is what we are all waiting to see. We know that the device will get EDGE on AT&T network (voice & slow data) but according to specs it won't do 3G WCDMA data.

This test means everything to me (when it comes to buying one of these).

Yeah, well, as I said I'm in a shitty area for getting 3G. AT&T's been known to "stretch the zones" a bit, so I'm probably even closer to not getting 3G than the map shows. 471 kb/s is very acceptable if you ask me, especially for where I am... I'd bet it at least doubles if I were to go into Boston (but I'm too lazy). :-P

[lewcamino]

Yeah, well, as I said I'm in a shitty area for getting 3G. AT&T's been known to "stretch the zones" a bit, so I'm probably even closer to not getting 3G than the map shows. 471 kb/s is very acceptable if you ask me, especially for where I am... I'd bet it at least doubles if I were to go into Boston (but I'm too lazy). :-P

Are you sayign that you are getting 471 kb/s where you are now with the Touch Pro?

[Black93300ZX]

Are you sayign that you are getting 471 kb/s where you are now with the Touch Pro?

Yes, on the very border of a 3G zone I got 471 kb/s on that speed test that someone linked me to. It had 1 or maybe 2 bars of 3G, HSDPA not active. I'll frequently grab an H even here, but I wasn't getting the best signal at the time I tested.

In comparison, when I went on a college tour in Boston I had 3G everywhere I went (with my Duo), and full signal. This phone would blow away the mark of 471 that I have here.

[Black93300ZX]

Just tested on wifi, not that it has anything to do with the phone, but 1300 kb/s

My connection is garbino :P

[lewcamino]

Yes, on the very border of a 3G zone I got 471 kb/s on that speed test that someone linked me to. It had 1 or maybe 2 bars of 3G, HSDPA not active. I'll frequently grab an H even here, but I wasn't getting the best signal at the time I tested.

In comparison, when I went on a college tour in Boston I had 3G everywhere I went (with my Duo), and full signal. This phone would blow away the mark of 471 that I have here.

I think 471 confirms it then, I have never got anything over 300 on EDGE. If you are gettign 471 then you are getting 3G (crappy 3G) but 3G non the less.

Anyone have any more info on that?

[Black93300ZX]

Haha I'm brilliant, I got a program for a screen capture, so if you people want to see anything I couldn't get a picture of before, just ask.

[lewcamino]

Haha I'm brilliant, I got a program for a screen capture, so if you people want to see anything I couldn't get a picture of before, just ask.

Would EVERYTHING be too much? :D

Seriously though... everything not shown in all the videos floating around would be good.

[Black93300ZX]

Would EVERYTHING be too much? :D

Seriously though... everything not shown in all the videos floating around would be good.

HAHA, alright... Expect my next post to have a screenshot of every single tab in TF3D.

[lewcamino]

HAHA, alright... Expect my next post to have a screenshot of every single tab in TF3D.

I think we have all seen that. I was thinking more of the rest of the device. Programs, Settings, Camera, camera settings, ect. You know, the nitty gritty.

[CalifornIyay]

Question for Black93300ZX,

How thick is the phone compared to the HTC 8525 or the iPhone? I use to own the 8525 and liked it but it was to bulky and since I drive a motorcycle it was uncomfortable so I purchased the iPhone. The iPhone is cool but it lacks so much like copy/paste, sms, video recording, hacking, etc.

I am seriously thinking of buying the Euro Pro Touch version but I am not sure if I could live with only having edge (even though thats what I use now on the iphone) especially having a 3G phone.
Do you know if the Touch Pro has visual voicemail, copy/paste or if there is a program out there you can get?

Thanks..

[lewcamino]

Question for Black93300ZX,

How thick is the phone compared to the HTC 8525 or the iPhone? I use to own the 8525 and liked it but it was to bulky and since I drive a motorcycle it was uncomfortable so I purchased the iPhone. The iPhone is cool but it lacks so much like copy/paste, sms, video recording, hacking, etc.

I am seriously thinking of buying the Euro Pro Touch version but I am not sure if I could live with only having edge (even though thats what I use now on the iphone) especially having a 3G phone.
Do you know if the Touch Pro has visual voicemail, copy/paste or if there is a program out there you can get?

Thanks..

It is smaller than an 8525 on all dimensions. It is the same thickness as a Tilt.

[Black93300ZX]

I think we have all seen that. I was thinking more of the rest of the device. Programs, Settings, Camera, camera settings, ect. You know, the nitty gritty.

Uggghhh. I'll see.

[Black93300ZX]

Question for Black93300ZX,

How thick is the phone compared to the HTC 8525 or the iPhone? I use to own the 8525 and liked it but it was to bulky and since I drive a motorcycle it was uncomfortable so I purchased the iPhone. The iPhone is cool but it lacks so much like copy/paste, sms, video recording, hacking, etc.

I am seriously thinking of buying the Euro Pro Touch version but I am not sure if I could live with only having edge (even though thats what I use now on the iphone) especially having a 3G phone.
Do you know if the Touch Pro has visual voicemail, copy/paste or if there is a program out there you can get?

Thanks..

I compared specs once, I think it's like 12mm shorter, 7mm narrower and the same thickness. Something in that range, feels MUCH smaller than a Tilt.

[Black93300ZX]

TouchFlo for now, because it has changed a bit (especially the AT&T tab)

I'll get camera settings next... Maybe.

Also take note, the screen cap program takes horrible quality pictures, they look 100x better on the device.

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a258/The300ZX/Capture.jpg?t=1218779665

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a258/The300ZX/Capture2.jpg?t=1218779702

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a258/The300ZX/Capture3.jpg?t=1218779728

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a258/The300ZX/Capture4.jpg?t=1218779750

[Black93300ZX]

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a258/The300ZX/Capture5.jpg?t=1218779771

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a258/The300ZX/Capture6.jpg?t=1218779798

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a258/The300ZX/Capture7.jpg?t=1218779822

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a258/The300ZX/Capture8.jpg?t=1218779843

[Black93300ZX]

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a258/The300ZX/Capture9.jpg?t=1218779862

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a258/The300ZX/Capture10.jpg?t=1218779886

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a258/The300ZX/Capture11.jpg?t=1218779920

[lewcamino]

Very nice man!

I think the image problems are because you are making the images 320x240.

The screen resolution is 640x480 so the images should be that size.

[Black93300ZX]

Very nice man!

I think the image problems are because you are making the images 320x240.

The screen resolution is 640x480 so the images should be that size.

This program doesn't let me change it, not made for the Raphael obviously. Anyone care to share a screenshot program that allows me to change size? Or better yet, one optimized to the Raphael/Diamond?

[NotATreoFan]

1. Yeah, maybe next time I'm down in NY I'll test it, my location is buried in a 3G zone down there (obviously, it's NYC).

2. Not there, just checked. Lame. :(

Download KaiserTweak and the latest XML file for it. You can turn on the Band Settings page, soft reset to enable, then post a screen for us.

[lewcamino]

Download KaiserTweak and the latest XML file for it. You can turn on the Band Settings page, soft reset to enable, then post a screen for us.

This may or may not work. You may also have to replace phoneSettings.dll like we did on the Kaiser.

[novakry]

Hi I have a question about the touch pro, what I would like to know is what the screen glare is like on this handset. My current phone (Sony Ericsson P990i) has a lot of trouble with screen glare especially when going out side in broad day light. Is this the case with the HTC Touch Pro?

-novakry

[fearthereaper123]

Ill Trade my tilt for it:D

good trade i think.. haha

[thunda_chunky]

Ill Trade my tilt for it:D

good trade i think.. haha

lol yeah *great* trade :rolleyes: I was going to get a Tilt myself now that my contract is up (IM A FREE AGENT NOW!!!) but seeing as how they're out of the refurb versions, I'm definitely going to wait and see if this puppy really comes out for AT&T

Great screens Black! That TF3D looks beautiful IMO

[Black93300ZX]

Hi I have a question about the touch pro, what I would like to know is what the screen glare is like on this handset. My current phone (Sony Ericsson P990i) has a lot of trouble with screen glare especially when going out side in broad day light. Is this the case with the HTC Touch Pro?

-novakry

I've never experienced screen glare with this thing, EXCEPT WITH FINGERPRINTS. On a clean screen, the backlight compensates... but once you get prints all over the screen you can get blinded fairly easily. The backlight can get VERY bright (and of course the light sensor automatically compensates). Works very well, but beware of battery life.

[Lolento]

Black,

Sorry, I'm sure you'd answer this already but the thread is way too long...

Are you able to connect to 850 3g band in the US?

[Black93300ZX]

Black,

Sorry, I'm sure you'd answer this already but the thread is way too long...

Are you able to connect to 850 3g band in the US?

Wow, seriously? Did you just ask that?

This phone is made for AT&T, it came from the factory with no front camera and an AT&T ROM on it. It was made for 850/1900 UMTS bands.

It seems like half the people here are assuming I bought a Euro version and flashed it for AT&T, that's NOT the case. We don't yet have proof that will work, wait a few days.

[anandoc]

Some great (good rez) pics of the TV out cable and the whole action for people who might be interested:

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=417616

How I wish Black had a similar camera to show us pics of his phone

[Black93300ZX]

ANYONE DEBATING RAPHAEL VS DIAMOND:

I just got my 8GB microSD card today, I plan on buying a 32 when it comes out but until then I'll be fine with this.

Got it maybe an hour ago, and I have 5.22 gigs used. That's for the people that have argued with me "Oh there's no way you can use up 4 gigs of space"... Well, you plan on using GPS? My GPS program and all of the maps, buildings and points of interest alone takes up 1.22 gigs. Think about it.

[arkayi]

I think many people have dedicated media players and flash drives to hold their music, movies and files. I'm assuming that's what you filled your phone with, music and movies. I personally wouldn't use my Tilt as a media player given its terrible battery life. Also, how many people regularly listen to all 60GBs on their Ipods and Zunes? I'm pretty sure there are a few of them out there but not a lot.

[Black93300ZX]

I think many people have dedicated media players and flash drives to hold their music, movies and files. I'm assuming that's what you filled your phone with, music and movies. I personally wouldn't use my Tilt as a media player given its terrible battery life. Also, how many people regularly listen to all 60GBs on their Ipods and Zunes? I'm pretty sure there are a few of them out there but not a lot.

I'm not saying you need 60, I'm saying you need more than 4. A 16 gig card would probably do fine for me, but 4? Come on... Seriously? Like I just told you, 1.2 gigs is for my GPS alone, do you not plan on using your GPS function of your Diamond?

[sdlopez83]

I'm not saying you need 60, I'm saying you need more than 4. A 16 gig card would probably do fine for me, but 4? Come on... Seriously? Like I just told you, 1.2 gigs is for my GPS alone, do you not plan on using your GPS function of your Diamond?

ditto, I just yelled at my friend using the same logic. He just bought a tilt and was apprehensive of buying the 8.

[Black93300ZX]

ditto, I just yelled at my friend using the same logic. He just bought a tilt and was apprehensive of buying the 8.

Exactly, why do you think the iPhone's lowest capacity is 8 now? Maybe they realized, hey, 4 gigs isn't shit when it comes to a phone you use for a lot of things. Oh, people have separate storage for their music, videos and files. So what do you use the Diamond for, a conversation piece? "Oh, I don't plan on actually installing a lot of programs or GPS or anything, I just want to look at myspace and text all day." Good call.

[maxdamage2122]

"Oh, I don't plan on actually installing a lot of programs or GPS or anything, I just want to look at myspace and text all day."

lol you would be surprised just how many people use their ppc for this exact reason only. i personally know a few.

[Black93300ZX]

lol you would be surprised just how many people use their ppc for this exact reason only. i personally know a few.

Yeah, but Diamonds go for $5-600 right now and touch pro's are all close to a grand, why would you drop that kinda money on a phone when you won't use it to its fullest capabilities? The people who buy Diamonds when Touch Pro's are available (unless it's a question of money), in my mind, are these kinds of users. They want a phone to say they have a phone, not something to really beat up as a "power user" so to say. If you really want something that looks pretty with flickability and user interface but not something you can customize and use, go buy an iPhone. :)

[roguenode]

Yeah, but Diamonds go for $5-600 right now and touch pro's are all close to a grand, why would you drop that kinda money on a phone when you won't use it to its fullest capabilities? The people who buy Diamonds when Touch Pro's are available (unless it's a question of money), in my mind, are these kinds of users. They want a phone to say they have a phone, not something to really beat up as a "power user" so to say. If you really want something that looks pretty with flickability and user interface but not something you can customize and use, go buy an iPhone. :)

Touch Pro's won't be a grand with contract though.

[Black93300ZX]

Touch Pro's won't be a grand with contract though.

That has nothing whatsoever to do with the fact that people pay tons of money for great phones they don't even know how to use. 4 gigs is not enough when you plan on using your phone for all of its features, that's all I'm saying. Now I'm out, so you kids play nice.

[roguenode]

That has nothing whatsoever to do with the fact that people pay tons of money for great phones they don't even know how to use. 4 gigs is not enough when you plan on using your phone for all of its features, that's all I'm saying. Now I'm out, so you kids play nice.

That may be true, but if the phone is a good fit at something that is valuable to the owner, space may not be an issue, nor is having to use all of the phones features to justify the purchase. TV Out for instance, or true qwerty keyboard along with 3g and wifi.

I plan to use the phone primarily for capturing and transferring data in the field, as well as powerpoint presentations. Neither will require over 4 GB.

[Black93300ZX]

That may be true, but if the phone is a good fit at something that is valuable to the owner, space may not be an issue, nor is having to use all of the phones features to justify the purchase. TV Out for instance, or true qwerty keyboard along with 3g and wifi.

I plan to use the phone primarily for capturing and transferring data in the field, as well as powerpoint presentations. Neither will require over 4 GB.

Could you buy a phone for half the price that would do those things just as well? 9 times out of 10, the answer is yes. I won't argue your particular instance, because there are exceptions to everything... But a Diamond owner started telling me the other day how NO ONE can use that much space, it's useless to have more than 4 gigs... That's all that annoys me, when people talk out of their ass like I could never actually make use of more than they have. If the Diamond is good for you that's awesome, but half of the Diamond owners talk down to Touch Pro owners because of... thickness. Is 7mm worth 28 more gigs and a full QWERTY? To you, maybe not... To me, absolutely.

[sub69]

Well, I upgraded my Diamond to a Raphael mostly because of the limited 4Gb memory (although I did miss the QWERTY too).

I travel quite frequently, so I don't want to carry multiple bits of kit around, with their chargers, cases, etc. I want one device with Sat-Nav, music, video, and PDA functionality. And if you're away from home for a couple of weeks at a time, you need as much storage as you can get.

Garmin MapSource is great for keeping map sizes down, but I still have about 1Gb taken up by them. 1Gb of video, About 500Mb of documents, 250Mb of E-Mail attachments, and 100Mb of cab's that I don't install unless I need. That leaves 1Gb for music, which isn't anywhere near enough for a two week trip, and that's before you start taking any photos...

8Gb is fine -gives me about 4Gb free for music, but I'll be buying a 16Gb card soon, and the music collection will be expanded.

[Black93300ZX]

I'm gonna wait it out for a 32 gig, because I know I'll find ways to use it up over time... But for right now, I threw down $40 on an 8 gig to hold me over.

[roguenode]

If the Diamond is good for you that's awesome, but half of the Diamond owners talk down to Touch Pro owners because of... thickness. Is 7mm worth 28 more gigs and a full QWERTY? To you, maybe not... To me, absolutely.

Agreed. I think we'd all love it if this phone were thinner, but the kb is the big draw for this phone. Add the removable memory, 3g/wifi, etc. and it becomes feasible to use the pro in situations that would normally employ a laptop.

Speaking more directly about your pro, have you found anything "crippled" on yours (being an AT&T unit), like we've heard Verizon will be doing, such as reduced ram, accelerometer nixed, etc.?

Btw, your phone may not be a pro... but a fuze. (There's a new rumor that AT&T's version of the pro will be named the fuze.)

[l3v5y]

The radio has been removed (although this maybe software only)

[Jorlin]

I'm gonna wait it out for a 32 gig, because I know I'll find ways to use it up over time... But for right now, I threw down $40 on an 8 gig to hold me over.

We are still waiting for the 12GB/16GB microSD cards announced in January... 12GB is listed on some websites for pre-order. 16GB? I doubt they will arrive before the end of the year...
32GB? Wait until the summer of 09 or later...

[herg62123]

the new touch pro for at&t is called htc fuze. it is due between now and the end of sept.

[lbhocky19]

i saw the post about it being called the fuze and it should be out sooner rather than later but where did you see by the end of september?? that would be great news im up for an upgrade and my 8525 has the white screen and keeps acting up i cant wait for it

[wshader]

Sorry if this has already been brought up in the last 50 some odd pages but can you just give a quick over view of the differences between the att version and the others? Like did it come with tt7 or crappy old telenav? Did you manage to get the fm radio working? Full ram or gimped like verisons? Any cool new software (or hardware)? Thanks

[stpete111]

the new touch pro for at&t is called htc fuze. it is due between now and the end of sept.

Yeah I just saw this on Engadget. This is great news. I really thought I was going to have to wait until the end of the year to experience the daily techno-orgasms that Black is currently getting to experience. I don't care about the lack of front-facing camera but them taking out the FM radio really pisses me off. Why? I understand removing the FF camera, but not the FM radio.

[herg62123]

i give you a clue:

guess who i work for?

[naveen]

Yeah I just saw this on Engadget. This is great news. I really thought I was going to have to wait until the end of the year to experience the daily techno-orgasms that Black is currently getting to experience. I don't care about the lack of front-facing camera but them taking out the FM radio really pisses me off. Why? I understand removing the FF camera, but not the FM radio.

yeah, i do not understand the reasoning behind the removal of the fm radio. hopefully it is something that can be fixed with a chef cooked up rom.:D

[wshader]

It may be due to different standards for FM signals between the US and Europe, kinda like TV signals with PAL and NTSB (some crap like that). Only way to find out would be to test it.

[lbhocky19]

i give you a clue:

guess who i work for?



haha good news then
i work at best buy mobile ive been bugging my rep for a long time about it. he said he saw a spec sheet a few weeks ago but never a release
is it final? or are their issues just like the bold and we could have to wait a few months cause i want it now

[Cyber Akuma]

That has been discussed many a time, and from using it I've come to realize I like this keyboard more. I was one of the strongest supporters of the all number row, but seriously, don't knock it till ya tried it. ;-)

I don't understand, how is having symbols instead of numbers on the top row better?

[Cyber Akuma]

It may be due to different standards for FM signals between the US and Europe, kinda like TV signals with PAL and NTSB (some crap like that). Only way to find out would be to test it.

ATT has a streaming (and pay) radio service while a FM tuner would be free to use, that might have also have something to do with it...

[Black93300ZX]

We are still waiting for the 12GB/16GB microSD cards announced in January... 12GB is listed on some websites for pre-order. 16GB? I doubt they will arrive before the end of the year...
32GB? Wait until the summer of 09 or later...

16GB should be announced Q4 08 and 32GB Q1 09, idk what you're talking about.

[Black93300ZX]

Agreed. I think we'd all love it if this phone were thinner, but the kb is the big draw for this phone. Add the removable memory, 3g/wifi, etc. and it becomes feasible to use the pro in situations that would normally employ a laptop.

Speaking more directly about your pro, have you found anything "crippled" on yours (being an AT&T unit), like we've heard Verizon will be doing, such as reduced ram, accelerometer nixed, etc.?

Btw, your phone may not be a pro... but a fuze. (There's a new rumor that AT&T's version of the pro will be named the fuze.)

Nope, same specs, same features, same sensors. Some software removed (G-sensor calibration tool, which I downloaded and use anyways) as well as the FM radio, wanna see if I can get software for that.

[Black93300ZX]

Sorry if this has already been brought up in the last 50 some odd pages but can you just give a quick over view of the differences between the att version and the others? Like did it come with tt7 or crappy old telenav? Did you manage to get the fm radio working? Full ram or gimped like verisons? Any cool new software (or hardware)? Thanks

Full RAM, same software nix a few things, came with "Get Telenav" link but I put my own GPS software on there and it works like a dream.

[Black93300ZX]

i give you a clue:

guess who i work for?

OMG RLY? My boi werkz fer AT&T and he doznt know SHIET about thurr insyd relaytiunz. No credibility because of that, sry. :(

Now, if you were actually high up at corporate level, that may be a different story.

[Black93300ZX]

I don't understand, how is having symbols instead of numbers on the top row better?

You would've had to hit the function key 3 times for that sentence on a European keyboard, on the US keyboard you would've hit it 0 times. For this entire post, I would've hit function twice for the numbers I put in, not many more times for punctuation. Get it?

[Kraize]

Pssh. I like the numbers one better anyways rofl. It's green. I hate the blue coloring >.> Green/Black FTW!

[Raspster]

Just to clear some things up. There are 2 ROMS out there. One is labeled AT&T and the other is labeled Cingular. Which one should be used in the US to test if 3g will work or better yet, what are the differences in the 2 ROM's as Cingular & AT&T are the same right..?

[Black93300ZX]

Just to clear some things up. There are 2 ROMS out there. One is labeled AT&T and the other is labeled Cingular. Which one should be used in the US to test if 3g will work or better yet, what are the differences in the 2 ROM's as Cingular & AT&T are the same right..?

It's gotta be the same ROM... Given different names by people who download it. Mine is clearly AT&T, look all over it, and it's the same as the version labeled "RAPHAEL_CINGULAR_US_RUU.exe" or whatever.

[Kraize]

I find one thing weird. X-Cingular was fully taken over by AT&T. Why is the name cingular still being used? Is this some kind of weird inside thing? Cause I sure as hell would like to know. Why keep a dead company's name alive if it is already dead...or is it o.O

[Raspster]

PS - Both same names, one is 4mb larger.

[TheBundo]

I find one thing weird. X-Cingular was fully taken over by AT&T. Why is the name cingular still being used? Is this some kind of weird inside thing? Cause I sure as hell would like to know. Why keep a dead company's name alive if it is already dead...or is it o.O

Company's routinely buy just the name of even a long dead company, like Indian Motorcycle.

[Black93300ZX]

PS - Both same names, one is 4mb larger.

Cool, then find the ROM and radio versions of the new one.

[anandoc]

It may be due to different standards for FM signals between the US and Europe, kinda like TV signals with PAL and NTSB (some crap like that). Only way to find out would be to test it.

FM is FM. Its the same all over the world as in it is frequency modulation (carrying information over a carrier wave etc). Except that in the US, odd numbered frequencies are used by stations (102.1, 99.1 etc etc) and in the rest of the world stations use (102.2, 99.2 etc).

[Black93300ZX]

FM is FM. Its the same all over the world as in it is frequency modulation (carrying information over a carrier wave etc). Except that in the US, odd numbered frequencies are used by stations (102.1, 99.1 etc etc) and in the rest of the world stations use (102.2, 99.2 etc).

If anyone wants to get me the software for the FM radio from a Raphael or a Diamond, I'd be more than happy to test it on the Fuze and let you know if it has the necessary hardware.

[Kraize]

Hey Black. Would it be too much to ask if you could leave wi-fi/gps/data on all day and see how fast it dies and tell us the time. Just so I know the full capacity of the battery. If you have a free day that is. :)

[Black93300ZX]

Hey Black. Would it be too much to ask if you could leave wi-fi/gps/data on all day and see how fast it dies and tell us the time. Just so I know the full capacity of the battery. If you have a free day that is. :)

Haha I always leave all 3 on, and it lasts over 6 hours of pretty much constant use.

[r603]

This might be an ignorant question... (what else would you expect from a first time poster though?)

I've read nothing anywhere about the diamond, or the touch pro having visual voicemail. Is this something that might be available in the future?

By the way, I am with Sprint, and I have read the Touch Pro (Herman for Sprint) should be out in a few months...

Also... Great thread, I've read nearly every post of 60-some pages. Still waiting for some decent pictures and videos though... (not for
proof ... just for fun)

[mrrogers1]

Oh it is, it's awful. I find myself wiping it down with the cleaning cloth after like 10 minutes of use. The worst part is, with the TF3D you make the same swipes consistently (along the bottom, across the center and vertically) so you get fingerprints in a distinct pattern... Looks kinda funny.


Hopefully... Oh wait, I'm going to check Zagg.com now and see if they have a shield for the Diamond. :D

BRB

ETA: buy this, it should help A LOT with the finger print issues. http://www.zagg.com/invisibleshield/htc-touch-diamond-cases-screen-protectors-covers-skins-shields.php

I have had this on my previous device as well as my current and besides being rugged and replaceable, prints don't show up nearly as bad as a bare screen.

[Black93300ZX]

Hopefully... Oh wait, I'm going to check Zagg.com now and see if they have a shield for the Diamond. :D

BRB

ETA: buy this, it should help A LOT with the finger print issues. http://www.zagg.com/invisibleshield/htc-touch-diamond-cases-screen-protectors-covers-skins-shields.php

I have had this on my previous device as well as my current and besides being rugged and replaceable, prints don't show up nearly as bad as a bare screen.

That's for Raphaels with front cameras, I'm using the one that's made for my device so the whole front is protected.

[Black93300ZX]

This might be an ignorant question... (what else would you expect from a first time poster though?)

I've read nothing anywhere about the diamond, or the touch pro having visual voicemail. Is this something that might be available in the future?

By the way, I am with Sprint, and I have read the Touch Pro (Herman for Sprint) should be out in a few months...

Also... Great thread, I've read nearly every post of 60-some pages. Still waiting for some decent pictures and videos though... (not for
proof ... just for fun)

No word of visual voicemail yet, and yeah you can keep waitin, maybe AT&T will release some nice pictures soon. :)

[r603]

No word of visual voicemail yet, and yeah you can keep waitin, maybe AT&T will release some nice pictures soon. :)

Thanks for the quick reply.

[Black93300ZX]

Someone asked for camera settings screenshots...

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a258/The300ZX/Screen01.jpg?t=1218961416

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a258/The300ZX/Screen02.jpg?t=1218961441

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a258/The300ZX/Screen03.jpg?t=1218961458

[starstreak]

did someone already ask you if the battery is compairable to the tilt? As in whatever I was getting for the tilt, the battery life will be similar?

And did I miss the post on how you got a pre-release for a stateside att diamond pro?

Also, can you turn on the flashlight at any time?

[Black93300ZX]

did someone already ask you if the battery is compairable to the tilt? As in whatever I was getting for the tilt, the battery life will be similar?

And did I miss the post on how you got a pre-release for a stateside att diamond pro?

Also, can you turn on the flashlight at any time?

Haven't seen anything for the flashlight, but I got it because I'm cool, and battery life is good. 6+ hours with hard use and everything turned on.

[ukdj78]

Haven't seen anything for the flashlight, but I got it because I'm cool, and battery life is good. 6+ hours with hard use and everything turned on.

I tried installing the Vijay Tools cab which contains Flashlight and Superbright. Flashlight wouldn't work at all for me so I uninstalled it again - didn't even bother trying superbright!

[l3it3r]

Perhaps I wasn't being clear enough...:confused:...I know that the software works with ANY device that has Windows Mobile...That wasn't the issue.
The problem is: even on the Touch Diamond non-3G version, SlingPlayer didn't really perform well since it was only connected to EDGE network speeds.
The issue is: How does it perform on a 3G network?? The Touch Pro here is the perfect test for it.
So the question again is whether "Black.." would be willing to, in the near future, test it? If so, I can privately provide what it takes to test it, and then share that info, not only here, but also with the Sling community.
I hope that's a little more clearer.
thx

PS...For reference: http://www.slingcommunity.com/forum/thread/29155/slingplayer-on-HTC-Touch-Diamond/?highlight=touch+diamond

Slingplayer worked beautifully via 3G on my HERMES (att 8525) so I'm sure it'll work fine on this.

[l3it3r]

Well this is disappointing, skyfire is having all sorts of problems on the Raphael (as expected, it's made for QVGA). If I switch from portrait to landscape or vice versa it only shows half of the program. I realllllly wanted this. :(

That IS a bummer, skyfire would be sick on that phone :(

[lbhocky19]

That IS a bummer, skyfire would be sick on that phone :(

he said at another tim he starts it in landscape its fine. its just when you slide the screen while its started you get issues
hopefuly they make it for vga as well though

[Kraize]

So wait?? The Fuze has flash?!?!?!

[lbhocky19]

So wait?? The Fuze has flash?!?!?!

yes it surely does

[Kraize]

yes it surely does

Holy crap! I didn't know that :eek:

[Slingbox]

Slingplayer worked beautifully via 3G on my HERMES (att 8525) so I'm sure it'll work fine on this.

Ya, but I seem to only get vague answers like it's good or it works.
However, I was hoping of getting an answer like:

"I get _______ fps and my stream is at _________ Kbps"

Instead of: "it depends" on your upload speed, or blah blah blah.

Anyway, if anyone would like to provide specific numbers, I'd really appreciate the info, esp. on the Touch Pro/Raphael...as it's one of the phones I'm seriously considering, together with the SE Xperia X1.
Thanks

[Black93300ZX]

I tried installing the Vijay Tools cab which contains Flashlight and Superbright. Flashlight wouldn't work at all for me so I uninstalled it again - didn't even bother trying superbright!

You can go into the camera and turn the flashlight on... It's not like the camera's any more exposed because it's in use.

[Black93300ZX]

Ya, but I seem to only get vague answers like it's good or it works.
However, I was hoping of getting an answer like:

"I get _______ fps and my stream is at _________ Kbps"

Instead of: "it depends" on your upload speed, or blah blah blah.

Anyway, if anyone would like to provide specific numbers, I'd really appreciate the info, esp. on the Touch Pro/Raphael...as it's one of the phones I'm seriously considering, together with the SE Xperia X1.
Thanks

Buy me the lowest-end slingbox and I'll test it for ya. :)

I need a way to watch Mets games away from home, but after spending a zillion dollars on this phone I'm broke.

[maxdamage2122]

Buy me the lowest-end slingbox and I'll test it for ya. :)

I need a way to watch Mets games away from home, but after spending a zillion dollars on this phone I'm broke.

buy a cheapo tv tuner off newegg for ur desktop pc and steam live tv through orb

[Black93300ZX]

buy a cheapo tv tuner off newegg for ur desktop pc and steam live tv through orb

Yeah, can't get Mets games. The rights to all Major League Baseball games are either to local stations only or to MLB Extra Innings, which is a $200/season service to watch every game. Slingbox is the only way to fix this, as I have a house in NY that gets those local stations but I'm in MA for a good amount of time out of every year.

[Black93300ZX]

OMG OMG OMG HIGH RES PICS

(I didnt' clean it off, so it's dusty/fingerprinted/etcetc) But whatever. Deal with ittt. Oh Also, the screen protector looks like hell, if you can find me a screen protector for a Raphael with no front camera, let me know. I promise there's nothing wrong with the screen. ;-)

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a258/The300ZX/IMG_0258.jpg?t=1219025273

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a258/The300ZX/IMG_0259.jpg?t=1219025303

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a258/The300ZX/IMG_0261.jpg?t=1219025325

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a258/The300ZX/IMG_0263.jpg?t=1219025347

[Black93300ZX]

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a258/The300ZX/IMG_0264.jpg?t=1219025371

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a258/The300ZX/IMG_0269.jpg?t=1219025392

[Lolento]

nice,

another question...and apologize for not reading thru the whole thread.

does this thing record video at 640x320 and in h.264 format?

[Black93300ZX]

nice,

another question...and apologize for not reading thru the whole thread.

does this thing record video at 640x320 and in h.264 format?

h263 or mpeg4, up to 352x288

[Lolento]

h263 or mpeg4, up to 352x288

Is this another difference with the EU model?

I thought this has the same hardware as the x1 but x1 supposedly claims to have vga recording in h264 format.

[Black93300ZX]

Is this another difference with the EU model?

I thought this has the same hardware as the x1 but x1 supposedly claims to have vga recording in h264 format.

No idea... That's what I see for the recording options.

[pazookie]

usa restricts recording higher than than due to the fcc regulations so 640 will never be allowed on usa devices until the fcc changes the rules. They are releasing a seperate x1 model for us as well (X1a) which has the lowered recording resolution

[Black93300ZX]

Good info... By the way, I'm watching a SlingBox right now, the sling is coming from west coast Canada, I'm in east coast US, and it looks so beautiful. He has 1MB/s up, I only have 1.5MB/s down... And even on 3G, without wifi, it looks great.

[TheBundo]

usa restricts recording higher than than due to the fcc regulations so 640 will never be allowed on usa devices until the fcc changes the rules. They are releasing a seperate x1 model for us as well (X1a) which has the lowered recording resolution

Why would the FCC care about the resolution on a video camera?

[Lolento]

usa restricts recording higher than than due to the fcc regulations so 640 will never be allowed on usa devices until the fcc changes the rules. They are releasing a seperate x1 model for us as well (X1a) which has the lowered recording resolution

does this mean the eu model will record at vga resolution?

if so, is it possible to separate this part of the eu rom and flash into the att rom?

[Black93300ZX]

Honestly it doesn't make sense to me why the FCC would regulate video quality, are camcorders regulated by the FCC for their resolution?

[faustiano]

I figured when they said they would add 5 rows of keys, that meant they were going to have a row of numbers at the top... But now that I see they are still in the same place as the Kaiser. I would have rather had the number keys on the top of the keyboard...

Wonder why they did this... Seems like I would be just using the function keys again to do the exact same thing, but now I have an extra row of "special" characters...

[Lolento]

Honestly it doesn't make sense to me why the FCC would regulate video quality, are camcorders regulated by the FCC for their resolution?

I heard about that but didn't pay attention to it initially. What I heard was that hi res video recording devices are taxed differently than lower resolution devices.

[Black93300ZX]

I figured when they said they would add 5 rows of keys, that meant they were going to have a row of numbers at the top... But now that I see they are still in the same place as the Kaiser. I would have rather had the number keys on the top of the keyboard...

Wonder why they did this... Seems like I would be just using the function keys again to do the exact same thing, but now I have an extra row of "special" characters...

Yeah, everyone loves saying how horrible the design is, and all I have to say is this: You have not used the keyboard. You do not know how efficient it is compared to a top row. The fact is, you use punctuation a lot more than numbers in your regular typing, so it makes it faster unless you plan on typing a complete mix of number/letter/number/letter. There, it's been said. I was a big believer in a top row of numbers until I used this to type, so much quicker. Conversation over until you've tried one yourself.

[darkshadow46236]

Yeah, everyone loves saying how horrible the design is, and all I have to say is this: You have not used the keyboard. You do not know how efficient it is compared to a top row. The fact is, you use punctuation a lot more than numbers in your regular typing, so it makes it faster unless you plan on typing a complete mix of number/letter/number/letter. There, it's been said. I was a big believer in a top row of numbers until I used this to type, so much quicker. Conversation over until you've tried one yourself.

I agree - I used to use a treo and recall enough that I used symbol buttons much more than any number values.

usa restricts recording higher than than due to the fcc regulations so 640 will never be allowed on usa devices until the fcc changes the rules. They are releasing a seperate x1 model for us as well (X1a) which has the lowered recording resolution

So here is a question, can we change this via software? Didn't the tilt have a reg hack to enable 640 x 480 and a few other camera modes?

[TheBundo]

Maybe it's because it 640 x 480 is 4 times as much data as 320 x 240

[shalashaska]

my crush over this phone is officially over.
besides its not gono be released on T-mobile anytime soon if ever.

bye bye to touch diamond/pro!
welcome to android OS (the one phone to rule them all)
waiting for HTC Dream! oct 13th

gphone will be successful and will eventually be THE ONE
except maybe if microsoft amp/beef/jazz things up #1000watts with the release of win mobile 7 and leave the iphone(currently in rank 2) a distant third.

sorry to kill the spirit touch lovers
i myself will still be getting the touch pro for my sis with att if it's ever as cheap as $199

[fhsieh]

As great as Android will likely be in the long run, I have no illusions that it will have a rough start. For all the things I want a mobile device to do, I know WM can do it, and I know how to get it done, today. With Android, there's the potential to do everything better than WM, but everyone will be starting from Page 1.

I spent some time with Maemo, and while it was great seeing a lot of opensource activity, it really sucks when there's a few key features you really need which are still "in development", while the solution already exists for other platforms.

Not that WM6 is a perfect platform (that's why there's WM7). But I figure I'll have the Touch Pro for at least 1-2 years, which will give Android time to catch up, as well as give manu's time to (hopefully) put out dozens of Android devices to iron out the initial kinks.

Not that I have anything against early-adopters. I need people like you to fill in the gaps once Android comes out, so my transition from WM to Android later on is as smooth as possible. ;)

[McHale]

welcome to android OS (the one phone to rule them all)

Wow... I don't even no where to begin on this one.

Let's just say that I too am looking forward to Android, but it is fundamentally plagued with isses. Openmoko was also the phone that is supposed to rule the phone world. That's thing's a disaster.

Come back and give us a report after you get it. This should be good for a laugh to compare with your post above.

-Mc

[Black93300ZX]

Wow... I don't even no where to begin on this one.

Let's just say that I too am looking forward to Android, but it is fundamentally plagued with isses. Openmoko was also the phone that is supposed to rule the phone world. That's thing's a disaster.

Come back and give us a report after you get it. This should be good for a laugh to compare with your post above.

-Mc

And the Sony Minidisc is going to replace the CD, right? Haha, all new products are going to be "better" and then there are the very few that actually are.

[citivolus]

Good info... By the way, I'm watching a SlingBox right now, the sling is coming from west coast Canada, I'm in east coast US, and it looks so beautiful. He has 1MB/s up, I only have 1.5MB/s down... And even on 3G, without wifi, it looks great.

can you please report the fps and bandwidth you are receiving after letting it settle down for a few minutes? you have to first tell Slingplayer to turn on statistics under Player Options->Advanced.

thanks.

[Black93300ZX]

can you please report the fps and bandwidth you are receiving after letting it settle down for a few minutes? you have to first tell Slingplayer to turn on statistics under Player Options->Advanced.

thanks.

Well, my connection's pretty terrible (I max out at 180 kb/s on any download from any website) so it won't be accurate of using a decent wifi connection... But it was staying at around 13-15fps, and I found out later the max fps setting was at 15, didn't allow it to go to "true" framerate.

Regardless of statistics, as "fps" is possibly the most overrated stat of them all, the video was always very viewable and never choppy when watching a mixture of baseball, football, golf highlights, and cartoons. Definitely recommended.

[Technology]

Good info... By the way, I'm watching a SlingBox right now, the sling is coming from west coast Canada, I'm in east coast US, and it looks so beautiful. He has 1MB/s up, I only have 1.5MB/s down... And even on 3G, without wifi, it looks great.Beautiful speeds for slinging..................!:D

[Black93300ZX]

Beautiful speeds for slinging..................!:D

Haha well, I'm hoping to get a Slingbox for my house in NY while I'm up here in MA (225 miles away)... He's about 3,000 miles away... And I have 2 MB/s up at my house in NY, so that should make for a VERY pleasurable experience. :)

[Technology]

Haha well, I'm hoping to get a Slingbox for my house in NY while I'm up here in MA (225 miles away)... He's about 3,000 miles away... And I have 2 MB/s up at my house in NY, so that should make for a VERY pleasurable experience. :)And you got your Mets, Knicks, Giants, Rangers and all the TV you want anywhere. So SlingPlayer mobile works perfect with the Raphael, confirmed. Black you are right about those fps, I'm more concern about those Kbps. A SlingBox is a must got to have.........................!:D

[Black93300ZX]

And you got your Mets, Knicks, Giants, Rangers and all the TV you want anywhere. So SlingPlayer mobile works perfect with the Raphael, confirmed. Black you are right about those fps, I'm more concern about those Kbps. A SlingBox is a must got to have.........................!:D

Meh, you can keep the Giants and Rangers as I'm not a fan of hockey and I'm a Packers fan... But I'll love it when I have the Mets games without paying a subscription. :)

[McHale]

METS? I thought we discussed this. They're too far back to have any chance at this point. Root for the Cubs who is *AGAIN* leading the ESPN Power Rankings:

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/powerranking



The Brewers' eight-game winning streak wasn't enough. Neither was the Angels' four-game winning streak. There's just no catching the Cubs -- in the National League Central or at the top of the MLB Power Rankings.

The Cubs are No. 1 for the second straight week, rising into their own stratosphere of excellence. They now have won four straight, seven of their past eight, nine of 11 and 14 of 17. Shall we keep going? OK, one more: They have won eight straight away from The Friendly Confines.

The Angels, who still have the best record in baseball, sit at No. 2, followed by the Rays, the Red Sox and the Brewers, who move up three spots to No. 5.

The top risers and fallers of the week dwell in the NL East, where the Mets climbed five spots to No. 7 and the Phillies dropped six to No. 10.



Don't forget to keep an eye on the MBL overall standings: http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/standings?date=20080818&type=reg&br=9&year=2008&order=false&st=2
-Mc

[Black93300ZX]

METS? I thought we discussed this. They're too far back to have any chance at this point.

2 games ahead, in first place, is "too far behind"? Suuure. :)

[juiceppc]

Whoa just read the last 20 pages or so... Anyway Blackzx thank you for the effort in responding to so many peoples questions. However, since you may be the first and only person to have an actual ATT Touch Pro you kind of are a bit obligated to the community. C'mon man, we are all foaming at the mouth for any media/info on this phone so you have to understand the rabid nature of these readers. You mentioned the back finish was matte. Is it rubberized like the soft touch Kaiser? Also I think I'm not the only one here who shares this thought but,...

MORE PICTURES MORE PICTURES MORE PICTURES!!! :D

Side by side pics would be great. With any device. Anything really , a pencil, coffee mug a dollar bill.

Thanks again.

[Black93300ZX]

Whoa just read the last 20 pages or so... Anyway Blackzx thank you for the effort in responding to so many peoples questions. However, since you may be the first and only person to have an actual ATT Touch Pro you kind of are a bit obligated to the community. C'mon man, we are all foaming at the mouth for any media/info on this phone so you have to understand the rabid nature of these readers. You mentioned the back finish was matte. Is it rubberized like the soft touch Kaiser? Also I think I'm not the only one here who shares this thought but,...

MORE PICTURES MORE PICTURES MORE PICTURES!!! :D

Side by side pics would be great. With any device. Anything really , a pencil, coffee mug a dollar bill.

Thanks again.

No, it's not matte, that's what I like about it. Charcoal gray, maybe closer to a silver, and doesn't attract fingerprints nearly as much as black... But it's still perfectly smooth. As for more pictures, you guys are KILLIN me, haha come onnnn... Maybe later, I'm too busy still figuring out a bunch of the features. (Read my thread about the panoramic pictures)

[juiceppc]

Anyone try flashing the ATT ROM on a Euro Touch Pro yet?

BTW anyone else here fed up with the lack of video calling on ATT in the U.S.? I would love that feature...

[atsitalian]

Anyone try flashing the ATT ROM on a Euro Touch Pro yet?

BTW anyone else here fed up with the lack of video calling on ATT in the U.S.? I would love that feature...

Very anxious to know this myself. I got caught up in the hyps and bought an iPhone 3G and want to come back to Winmo with this device. The sooner I know for sure that if an EU Touch Pro can be flashed with an ATT Rom and 3G works, the sooner I can put my iPhone on ebay, and the mor money I can make/ or less money I lose, on the iPhone

[Black93300ZX]

Stupid questions, I'm so sick of hearing them. "Has anyone flashed it?" Hey smart guys, ya think it MIGHT be posted as soon as it happens? Common sense, it'll be huge news. Stop asking and get some patience.

[atsitalian]

Stupid questions, I'm so sick of hearing them. "Has anyone flashed it?" Hey smart guys, ya think it MIGHT be posted as soon as it happens? Common sense, it'll be huge news. Stop asking and get some patience.

Better than talking about baseball!!!

[juiceppc]

Stupid questions, I'm so sick of hearing them. "Has anyone flashed it?" Hey smart guys, ya think it MIGHT be posted as soon as it happens? Common sense, it'll be huge news. Stop asking and get some patience.


Ok then, here's a technical question. How many bars do you get when you stick it up your @$$?!

Haha j/k. Your reply to how stupid they are is just as stupid/pointless as the question itself. And yes I know it hasn't been posted yet. But don't be so sure someone will post about it. A lot of people don't read the whole thread.

Whatever, go back to baseball. Tigers suck.

[Black93300ZX]

Sorry, I just see this question every day, and it's the same answer every time. HardSPL isn't even out yet, so NO, no one has flashed the AT&T rom yet. Watch the HardSPL thread if you're really that concerned about the AT&T rom.

[atsitalian]

Sorry, I just see this question every day, and it's the same answer every time. HardSPL isn't even out yet, so NO, no one has flashed the AT&T rom yet. Watch the HardSPL thread if you're really that concerned about the AT&T rom.

Thank you very much for providing me with some direction. I will monitor the HardSPL thread. It is just I am very anxious to get my hands on this unit and sell my iPhone 3G on ebay. Thanks Again!!

[addicus]

Black I would like to tell you that you are a total ass and I love you for it. Keep up the good fight and thank you being stupid/brave enough to spend the $900 you don't have to make yourself happy. I think you will be a very rich man and have a completely great life with happiness and balance.

Congrads on graduating fast and good luck on getting out of debt.

The pictures are great and I've had a great time reading all the post and getting all hyped up for a phone that won't even work on my network (TMo USA).

Much love and enjoy your phone man. Peace and go Padres (at least you have a Tony Gwynn card which shows deep down you are a true fan of the Padres j/k).

[symyn]

Seriously... how does the pr0n work on this phone?

[Kraize]

Seriously... how does the pr0n work on this phone?

I just use Skyfire on my Tilt ;) But you could always use a combo of Opera 8.65 + Flash 7 which also seems to work.

[abc12345]

I just use Skyfire on my Tilt ;) But you could always use a combo of Opera 8.65 + Flash 7 which also seems to work.
You need a girlfriend.......:D;)

[Mizzy]

Think I just had an orgasm watching a video of someone unpacking this sic phone! WHY DO WE HAVE TO WAIT SOOOOO LONG FOR THIS??

[lewcamino]

Seriously... how does the pr0n work on this phone?

I know that's what everyone is really asking when they say "How does sling player work?" = "Can I see some boobies on the run or what?"

[Kraize]

I know that's what everyone is really asking when they say "How does sling player work?" = "Can I see some boobies on the run or what?"

I believe I answered that question :D

You need a girlfriend.......:D;)

I have one rofl. She likes to watch with me and get new ideas ;)

[abc12345]

Eew... mental pictures:eek:.... jk:D

[naveen]

http://mobilitytoday.com/articles/htc_touch_pro.html

[Black93300ZX]

Black I would like to tell you that you are a total ass and I love you for it. Keep up the good fight and thank you being stupid/brave enough to spend the $900 you don't have to make yourself happy. I think you will be a very rich man and have a completely great life with happiness and balance.

Congrads on graduating fast and good luck on getting out of debt.

The pictures are great and I've had a great time reading all the post and getting all hyped up for a phone that won't even work on my network (TMo USA).

Much love and enjoy your phone man. Peace and go Padres (at least you have a Tony Gwynn card which shows deep down you are a true fan of the Padres j/k).

HAHA, card? No... Game used wristbands, with COA. :)

[Black93300ZX]

I have one rofl. She likes to watch with me and get new ideas ;)

LOL @ 15 year olds who think they're the man.

LOL @ you, sir.

[Kraize]

LOL @ 15 year olds who think they're the man.

LOL @ you, sir.

LOL @ you for buying $900 phone and trying to be soo cool

LOL @ you for spending $900 on a device you wanted much rather than pay off your student loans

LOL @ you can't believe a 15 year old could do that since all 13-18 year olds do that now a days in California.

[l3v5y]

LOL @ you for buying $900 phone and trying to be soo cool

LOL @ you for spending $900 on a device you wanted much rather than pay off your student loans

LOL @ you can't believe a 15 year old could do that since all 13-18 year olds do that now a days in California.
Can we not have petty bitching?

Also, the Touch Pro is more than that in the UK as a retail device. He got quite a good deal!

[Cyber Akuma]

h263 or mpeg4, up to 352x288

Is this another difference with the EU model?

I thought this has the same hardware as the x1 but x1 supposedly claims to have vga recording in h264 format.

Is this a hardware or software limitation?

------------

Also, any news on the FM radio? Is the hardware still there in the US version?

So, so far, if I read all 70 or so pags of posts right, the hardware chages are:

1. Top row replaced with symbols instead of numbers

2. No FM radio (hardware? software?)

3. No front-facing camera

4. Camera recording at lowered resolution (software?)

[Black93300ZX]

Is this a hardware or software limitation?

------------

Also, any news on the FM radio? Is the hardware still there in the US version?

So, so far, if I read all 70 or so pags of posts right, the hardware chages are:

1. Top row replaced with symbols instead of numbers

2. No FM radio (hardware? software?)

3. No front-facing camera

4. Camera recording at lowered resolution (software?)

I'd imagine the camera recording is a software limitation, it's the same camera.

I ordered headphones with an FM antenna, we'll see if it's hardware or software this week.

[Kraize]

Can we not have petty bitching?

Also, the Touch Pro is more than that in the UK as a retail device. He got quite a good deal!

I meant to compare it to the AT&T Fuze. Which will retail for much much less. It's not a good deal in my eyes. In UK it's about the same. Except with the front camera and the keyboard and no PTT button. So in my eyes, bad deal.

[Black93300ZX]

I meant to compare it to the AT&T Fuze. Which will retail for much much less. It's not a good deal in my eyes. In UK it's about the same. Except with the front camera and the keyboard and no PTT button. So in my eyes, bad deal.

Good, you won't be able to afford the Fuze even when it comes out. Just, stop.

[Kraize]

I shall quote myself.

I didn't repeat myself in the same thread so does it matter? Let it go? I'll never have a at&t fuze? Nah. I'll probably get it in a couple months, but I guess I'l save a couple hundred bucks that I could spend on something else unlike you :rolleyes:

[Raspster]

Nothing here... right..?

[McHale]

http://cgi.ebay.com/HTC-Touch-PRO-3G-GSM-qwerty-GPS-3-2MP-WM6-1-and-more_W0QQitemZ270263903779QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item 270263903779&_trkparms=39%3A1%7C66%3A2%7C65%3A13%7C240%3A1318&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14

Black, yours..? LOL

something looks fishy on this one...

[Black93300ZX]

Black, yours..? LOL

Remove that, right now, please.

[Black93300ZX]

something looks fishy on this one...

It ended the 10th...

Please remove it, don't feel like getting people in trouble... It's idiots like you (the one who posted the link) that get other people ****ed over

[Raspster]

I personally don't think ANYONE is going to get Screwed over. It took me 5 minutes to find this on ebay. You think at&t people looking for this have not seen it yet after you had the info leaked ALL OVER THE WEB! If it took me 5 minutes to find, it would take the at&t police 5 secs!

MOD EDIT: Language Please. ~Jimmy

[Black93300ZX]

I personally don't think ANYONE is going to get ****ed over. It took me 5 minutes to find this on ebay. You think at&t people looking for this have not seen it yet after you had the info leaked ALL OVER THE WEB!

How do you search dead auctions anyhow? Better question, WHY do you search auctions that have ended...

[Raspster]

To see if there are any items that would have fell thru that I was interested in. To search ended auctions, you need to log into ebay. Its VERY easy! I have found bids that I was interested in by doing this MANY times and after asking the seller questions, I sometimes found that the deal did NOT go thru and it was still up for grabs. In all honesty, if this guy DID get screwed over, I think that I would not be the one to blame!! riiiiight..?

[scotchua]

LOL @ you for buying $900 phone and trying to be soo cool

LOL @ you for spending $900 on a device you wanted much rather than pay off your student loans

LOL @ you can't believe a 15 year old could do that since all 13-18 year olds do that now a days in California.

LOL @ 15 year olds who think they're the man.

LOL @ you, sir.

If you guys want to argue senselessly please do it over IM, this kind of petty bickering has absolutely no purpose here. Neither of you are following the forum ettiquette that requires that each of us treat each other with respect. This place is for learning and for sharing. If you don't have something useful to contribute then please don't post. I know that both of you are capable of behaving better than this, so do it.

[JimmyMcGee]

OK. You guys!

Keep it on topic or your post will be deleted.

Treat each other with respect or your post will be deleted.

No Foul Language, If I see it I will delete is.

If I delete too many of your posts, You may be getting a free ticket to BanVille.

[Kraize]

If you guys want to argue senselessly please do it over IM, this kind of petty bickering has absolutely no purpose here. Neither of you are following the forum ettiquette that requires that each of us treat each other with respect. This place is for learning and for sharing. If you don't have something useful to contribute then please don't post. I know that both of you are capable of behaving better than this, so do it.

Okay. I agree. I'll stop with my bitching.

[scotchua]

I meant to compare it to the AT&T Fuze. Which will retail for much much less. It's not a good deal in my eyes. In UK it's about the same. Except with the front camera and the keyboard and no PTT button. So in my eyes, bad deal.

Most people here don't use PTT, so that's really a non-issue for most. I personally am disappointed they take the front camera off, even though i understand it has to do with not having video calling.

As for you not thinking it is a good deal, i think you're point has been made abundantly clear. You should, however, consider that since most of the people who do have one right now have paid serious amounts of money for the device, they obviously do not agree with you. It is okay to express your opinion and be done with it, but the 10th time you say it falls on less gracious ears.

Being an early adopter on any new technology or device is always very expensive. My guess is that the retail price of a Fuze is not going to be less than $600 when it is first released, and even at that price will still probably be locked to the AT&T network. Purchasing an unlocked phone @ retail is always signfificantly more expensive, and i think it is reasonable that a phone which supports video calling would cost significantly more. The Touch Pro is not retailing for all that much more than the Tytn II did when it was released. It's just how this works.

[Kraize]

Most people here don't use PTT, so that's really a non-issue for most. I personally am disappointed they take the front camera off, even though i understand it has to do with not having video calling.

As for you not thinking it is a good deal, i think you're point has been made abundantly clear. You should, however, consider that since most of the people who do have one right now have paid serious amounts of money for the device, they obviously do not agree with you. It is okay to express your opinion and be done with it, but the 10th time you say it falls on less gracious ears.

Being an early adopter on any new technology or device is always very expensive. My guess is that the retail price of a Fuze is not going to be less than $600 when it is first released, and even at that price will still probably be locked to the AT&T network. Purchasing an unlocked phone @ retail is always signfificantly more expensive, and i think it is reasonable that a phone which supports video calling would cost significantly more. The Touch Pro is not retailing for all that much more than the Tytn II did when it was released. It's just how this works.

1. He bought a AT&T one didnt he? I know no one uses PTT here.

2. Retail price will be around the same as the tilt + $100 so yeah. You're close

3. You're right. Retail + unlocked is expensive, but if you call AT&T and ask nicely <sarcasm> then they give you a unlock code. I got one every time by world support

4. Video calling should not cost significantly more. Both phones support video calling, one just has a camera to do it and the other doesnt. If you noticed, the tilt and the kaiser have video support but the only difference was one has a camera to do it and the other was crippled.

[thunda_chunky]

...the 10th time you say it falls on less gracious ears....

I have to agree with scotchua here. Krazie as much as I was on your side about the pricing issue, you're beating a dead horse by calling the purchases these folks have made "bad deals". The price of a new pre release, unlocked device will always cost your left nut and your right middle finger. ALWAYS!! And as the devices get even more powerful, more useful, the price will only go up. Hey man I'm not much older than you at 18 but I've been wide eyed long enough to fully see that these guys on this and other forums are just hardcore. I can't say I'd pass on paying back a loan to buy a phone but if I had the cash I would buy an unlock, front camera toting, Touch Pro in half a heartbeat :D But I can't :( so I will patiently wait for AT&T to release it, then flash it with a home brewed ROM straight from my people here at XDA. Point being, lets get over the price tag on these pre releases and be glad they exist so we can learn EVERYTHING about them and truly make them our own when we get them

[Kraize]

I have to agree with scotchua here. Krazie as much as I was on your side about the pricing issue, you're beating a dead horse by calling the purchases these folks have made "bad deals". The price of a new pre release, unlocked device will always cost your left nut and your right middle finger. ALWAYS!! And as the devices get even more powerful, more useful, the price will only go up. Hey man I'm not much older than you at 18 but I've been wide eyed long enough to fully see that these guys on this and other forums are just hardcore. I can't say I'd pass on paying back a loan to buy a phone but if I had the cash I would buy an unlock, front camera toting, Touch Pro in half a heartbeat :D But I can't :( so I will patiently wait for AT&T to release it, then flash it with a home brewed ROM straight from my people here at XDA. Point being, lets get over the price tag on these pre releases and be glad they exist so we can learn EVERYTHING about them and truly make them our own when we get them

I guess you're right. It all depends on the person. I still don't find it right but I guess the majority that bought it do. So no argument. You spend your money the way you want and I'll spend my money the way I want. We'll see how much money you people have vs me in 20 years or so :rolleyes:

:D

[Black93300ZX]

1. He bought a AT&T one didnt he? I know no one uses PTT here.

Right, that's why I remapped the button.

2. Retail price will be around the same as the tilt + $100 so yeah. You're close

Really? Good prediction, no one knows.

3. You're right. Retail + unlocked is expensive, but if you call AT&T and ask nicely <sarcasm> then they give you a unlock code. I got one every time by world support

Right, just like for the iPhone? Let's count on it, I'm sure they'll do it with all of their flagship devices. Oh wait...

4. Video calling should not cost significantly more. Both phones support video calling, one just has a camera to do it and the other doesnt. If you noticed, the tilt and the kaiser have video support but the only difference was one has a camera to do it and the other was crippled.

Video sharing is what, $9.99 a month for 16 minutes of use? Insane, and it's only 1 way so it doesn't matter if you can see the screen or not while doing it.

[Black93300ZX]

I guess you're right. It all depends on the person. I still don't find it right but I guess the majority that bought it do. So no argument. You spend your money the way you want and I'll spend my money the way I want. We'll see how much money you people have vs me in 20 years or so :rolleyes:

:D

Alright, this is the final comment I make towards you or towards anyone regarding your criticism towards me. "Passing up paying back loans"... Really? Hmmm... I guess a 15 year old knows he's gonna make a ton of money in 20 years, whereas I don't know anything about my future while I'm working towards my bachelor's in electromechanical engineering... I guess I'll be broke. I'm really handling my credit poorly, which is why my credit score is only, oh I don't know, 746? For a 20 year old, that's about as good as it gets, stop talking when you really don't know what you're talking about. If you think I got a bad deal, you must really love trashing everyone on this forum who paid $1100 on preorder for a european model they don't even know will work on 3G where they live... In fact, I believe the person who linked me to the auction said "man, I would've gotten that if I didn't already preorder mine..."

This bickering is over, I'm done with the off-topic-ness.

[thunda_chunky]

I guess you're right. It all depends on the person. I still don't find it right but I guess the majority that bought it do. So no argument. You spend your money the way you want and I'll spend my money the way I want. We'll see how much money you people have vs me in 20 years or so :rolleyes:

:D

lol bingo! Besides me and you both will probably be getting one eventually ;):D

[starstreak]

I use t-mobile. Mainly because I don't need to talk to them(their support/service is bad) and its everywhere I am on this Island.

I thought I read a post back that the Diamond Pro doesn't work on T-mobile? Wouldn't ir work best on t-mobile because of lack of 3g? I mean it supports the frequency and edge right?

[scotchua]

I guess you're right. It all depends on the person. I still don't find it right but I guess the majority that bought it do. So no argument. You spend your money the way you want and I'll spend my money the way I want. We'll see how much money you people have vs me in 20 years or so :rolleyes:

:D

What money you have in 20 years will depend a lot more on the quality of your investments, and you earning potential than on how much money you spent on a phone. To me, even if i spend $900 on the phone it would be less than i make in a week, and as such not as much of a ridiculous amount of money to spend. It really does depend on the person.

1. He bought a AT&T one didnt he? I know no one uses PTT here.

2. Retail price will be around the same as the tilt + $100 so yeah. You're close


3. You're right. Retail + unlocked is expensive, but if you call AT&T and ask nicely <sarcasm> then they give you a unlock code. I got one every time by world support

4. Video calling should not cost significantly more. Both phones support video calling, one just has a camera to do it and the other doesnt. If you noticed, the tilt and the kaiser have video support but the only difference was one has a camera to do it and the other was crippled.

I'm not sure what your point is, thanks for agreeing that i know what i'm talking about...almost like i've been around here for awhile.

[Black93300ZX]

What money you have in 20 years will depend a lot more on the quality of your investments, and you earning potential than on how much money you spent on a phone. To me, even if i spend $900 on the phone it would be less than i make in a week, and as such not as much of a ridiculous amount of money to spend. It really does depend on the person.



I'm not sure what your point is, thanks for agreeing that i know what i'm talking about...almost like i've been around here for awhile.

Alaskan people have phones???

That's it, I'm emailing your igloo to say hi.

[thunda_chunky]

Alaskan people have phones???

That's it, I'm emailing your igloo to say hi.

My man, I have to say the whole A-hole thing you have going on is getting annoying. I've been watching this thread since you posted it and you've been ripping everyone for no good reason. So what they're expressing their opinions, BFD. You have the phone and they don't. That's all that should be said. And last time I checked, Alaska was American turf too.

[McHale]

I thought I read a post back that the Diamond Pro doesn't work on T-mobile? Wouldn't ir work best on t-mobile because of lack of 3g? I mean it supports the frequency and edge right?

If you don't care about 3G, ANY version of the phone will work for you as they are all quad band GSM with EDGE. If you want 3G, it's looking like T-Mobile won't be feeling any Touch Pro love as it's missing the needed freq. for T-Mobile USA's 3G. But if that's not that important to you, you can pick up the UK version now and be all set.

-Mc

[Cyber Akuma]

Actually, something just occured to me, the whole missing drivers/underperforming debacle from the ATT Tilt.

Does your Att Fuse/Fuze have drivers? How well does video acceleration work? Does it lag when the touchscreen is used? How is the performance when using a game or app that renders in realtime 3D? (Like Call of Duty).

... Oh, and has anybody figured out yet if the FM radio's hardware has been removed or just the software?

I hate how these things keep getting crippled in the US release...

[Lolento]

Actually, something just occured to me, the whole missing drivers/underperforming debacle from the ATT Tilt.

Does your Att Fuse/Fuze have drivers? How well does video acceleration work? Does it lag when the touchscreen is used? How is the performance when using a game or app that renders in realtime 3D? (Like Call of Duty).

... Oh, and has anybody figured out yet if the FM radio's hardware has been removed or just the software?

I hate how these things keep getting crippled in the US release...

What the TouchFlo "3D" say?

[EskimoPie]

My man, I have to say the whole A-hole thing you have going on is getting annoying. I've been watching this thread since you posted it and you've been ripping everyone for no good reason. So what they're expressing their opinions, BFD. You have the phone and they don't. That's all that should be said. And last time I checked, Alaska was American turf too.

Aw come one, that was just a joke I'm sure... I heard they strapped their cell towers to the polar bears... you never get the same signal in the same place twice...

And I was born in Seldovia... look it up.

[mrvanx]

OK, havent read the whole thread but the last few pages warrant a warning.

Look up the posting guidelines in my sig, lose the flaming, and dont bring money into the discussion in such a personal fashion...the topic is rather vulgar imho.

Back ON TOPIC please people.

[scotchua]

Actually, something just occured to me, the whole missing drivers/underperforming debacle from the ATT Tilt.

Does your Att Fuse/Fuze have drivers? How well does video acceleration work? Does it lag when the touchscreen is used? How is the performance when using a game or app that renders in realtime 3D? (Like Call of Duty).

... Oh, and has anybody figured out yet if the FM radio's hardware has been removed or just the software?

I hate how these things keep getting crippled in the US release...

Last i heard we were still waiting on a headset to arrive to find out if fm radio could be added back into the functionality.

From what i have heard there hasn't been anyone complaining about the performance of the touchpro, at least thus far. We will all know very soon i imagine as more and more will pop up, but so far i've only heard good things.

For what it's worth, I live so far south in Alaska, i'm closer to Seattle than a polar bear ;)

[mojohio]

Enjoying all of the insight and info from this thread. Black, thanks for sharing. I have one question....Being w/ ATT, I would like to use this phone w/ their 3G service, so I don't want to chance buying a Euro Touch Pro and trying to flash it w/ a US 3G rom. I'm willing to wait for the Fuze to be released. The only dilema is I don't like what ATT has done with the keyboard. **When the Fuze is released, will there also be a true non-branded HTC Touch Pro released as well that supports ATT's 3G? I'm not up for a contract renewal for another year, so I'll be paying $$$ either way. Thanks in advance if someone can advise.

[Lolento]

Enjoying all of the insight and info from this thread. Black, thanks for sharing. I have one question....Being w/ ATT, I would like to use this phone w/ their 3G service, so I don't want to chance buying a Euro Touch Pro and trying to flash it w/ a US 3G rom. I'm willing to wait for the Fuze to be released. The only dilema is I don't like what ATT has done with the keyboard. **When the Fuze is released, will there also be a true non-branded HTC Touch Pro released as well that supports ATT's 3G? I'm not up for a contract renewal for another year, so I'll be paying $$$ either way. Thanks in advance if someone can advise.

I think you're very optimistic if you believe you can just buy the ATT version of the Touch Pro without ending up flashing a custom rom.

From past experience, ATT will cripple a lot of the functions of the device so they can squeeze $$ from you for add-on services; streaming video, ptt, gps, im vs. sms....

From my point of view, if you are throwing out the money for this device, just wait for confirmation on whether flashing the NA radio to the EU version. I don't have very high hopes for the vanilla ATT rom.

[mojohio]

I'm with you. I don't want to have a vanilla ATT rom'd Touch Pro. I guess I'm just asking the same thing as everyone else.....If a flashed euro HTC TP can't receive ATT 3G, will HTC release one that will? Again, I'm trying to avoid buying direct from ATT to get the green #'s along the top of the keyboard layout.

[McHale]

I'm trying to avoid buying direct from ATT to get the green #'s along the top of the keyboard layout

As far as the numbers on the top, that may be an AT&T thing only. As we all know, they did a similar thing with the Tilt and T-Mobile has done it with their own HTC units. As far as the color, don't hold your breath for green. Pre-production HTC units use green and production units use blue. Don't get me wrong, things could possibly change, but it was ALWAYS that way in the past.

-Mc

[mojohio]

Pre-production HTC units use green and production units use blue. Don't get me wrong, things could possibly change, but it was ALWAYS that way in the past.
-Mc

Has anyone heard if HTC plans on releasing a TPro for US ATT 3G (not the cutdown Fuze, but direct from HTC), or do we have to cross our fingers and hope a flash will produce this?

[naveen]

I think you're very optimistic if you believe you can just buy the ATT version of the Touch Pro without ending up flashing a custom rom.

From past experience, ATT will cripple a lot of the functions of the device so they can squeeze $$ from you for add-on services; streaming video, ptt, gps, im vs. sms....

From my point of view, if you are throwing out the money for this device, just wait for confirmation on whether flashing the NA radio to the EU version. I don't have very high hopes for the vanilla ATT rom.

i emailed one reseller here in the States and he told me that we can expect a 3g 850 band touch pro from htc by the end of the year.

[mojohio]

i emailed one reseller here in the States and he told me that we can expect a 3g 850 band touch pro from htc by the end of the year.

Care to share the business where you're looking to buy yours at?

[Black93300ZX]

My man, I have to say the whole A-hole thing you have going on is getting annoying. I've been watching this thread since you posted it and you've been ripping everyone for no good reason. So what they're expressing their opinions, BFD. You have the phone and they don't. That's all that should be said. And last time I checked, Alaska was American turf too.

Hahahahaha you're "defending" someone I was messing around with. I talked to him on AIM last night and joked around about Alaska, he's a nice guy. Maybe you're just paranoid, but don't try to stick up for others when you don't know what's going on. If you don't like my maddox-esque cynical comedy, don't read what I say. It's all in good fun until someone decides to be an idiot, so just get over yourself and let me be.

[Black93300ZX]

i emailed one reseller here in the States and he told me that we can expect a 3g 850 band touch pro from htc by the end of the year.

Yeah, and burger also talked to a reseller who said he was getting 50 US 3G Touch Pro's by the end of the month... Looked at the preorder, 900/2100 UMTS. They don't know what they're talking about, but they'll tell you anything so you keep an eye on their products.

[Raspster]

There will be touch pro's all over the place in the 4th quarter of this year. Sprint, AT&T, Verizon... There will be so many it will start to make us all sick... Remember this thread as in a couple months it will be history and burried...

[Black93300ZX]

There will be touch pro's all over the place in the 4th quarter of this year. Sprint, AT&T, Verizon... There will be so many it will start to make us all sick... Remember this thread as in a couple months it will be history and burried...

Well obviously... Having a Touch Pro before it's even released is cool, only until it's released. But the fact that I have a connection for pre-releases of future models of phones? That's always gonna be cool. :)

[Raspster]

Dude, anyone could have posted for that on ebay... Now he's your hook-up?? LOL

[Black93300ZX]

Dude, anyone could have posted for that on ebay... Now he's your hook-up?? LOL

Haha nah nah, goes farther than ebay... Don't worry about it. :)

All I know, if I realllllly want a phone before release in the future, I can get it. And that's good to know. :)

[Raspster]

Well, looks to me that your pre-release touch pro came from the auction I posted... Infact, I'm 100% positive it did. All I know is if I were your so called hook-up for pre-release phones and after how I saw you posted all over the web how you had the only pre-release touch pro which would be a major violation to begin with, I would NEVER be your hook-up again! Talk about throwing someone under the bus! Personally, If I had what you had, I would NEVER reveal it and keep this guy safe. Thats how you build a relationship with so called connections.

[scotchua]

My man, I have to say the whole A-hole thing you have going on is getting annoying. I've been watching this thread since you posted it and you've been ripping everyone for no good reason. So what they're expressing their opinions, BFD. You have the phone and they don't. That's all that should be said. And last time I checked, Alaska was American turf too.

Hahahahaha you're "defending" someone I was messing around with. I talked to him on AIM last night and joked around about Alaska, he's a nice guy. Maybe you're just paranoid, but don't try to stick up for others when you don't know what's going on. If you don't like my maddox-esque cynical comedy, don't read what I say. It's all in good fun until someone decides to be an idiot, so just get over yourself and let me be.

Black is right, i knew he was joking. I appreciate the sentiment that we should keep the forum respectful toward other members. Please everyone who reads this please remember that if you are offended by something that someone says it is of the utmost importance that you remember that regardless of what another person says you are still responsible for your own actions and ensuring that they are in accordance with the forum policies. That is to say that you should always begin by trying to educate other members, rather than retaliate against them. If they are unwilling to be respectful, then i recommend that you report them to the mods and let the mods deal with it. Remember we are all here to learn and share, so lets keep this place fun.

Well, looks to me that your pre-release touch pro came from the auction I posted... Infact, I'm 100% positive it did. All I know is if I were your so called hook-up for pre-release phones and after how I saw you posted all over the web how you had the only pre-release touch pro which would be a major violation to begin with, I would NEVER be your hook-up again! Talk about throwing someone under the bus! Personally, If I had what you had, I would NEVER reveal it and keep this guy safe. Thats how you build a relationship with so called connections.

Can you please drop this issue? If you guys wanna continue this inane argument can you please take it to IM or PM? There's no real way for you to know where he got it unless he told you or the seller did, and since that isn't the case you're purely speculating. I really think you should have more that conjecture before you call out someone for being untruthful. Who cares where he go it? As i said before, if you MUST continue to talk about it, please do it over IM or PM where we don't all have to hear about it.

[Raspster]

Seriously, its not rocket science. Did you see the ebay link and the posts from Black after that..? I'm not saying he doesen't have it. Hell, I think its pretty cool that someone has it early. All I'm saying is please don't brag like your a rock star when your really not!

oh, PS - I talked to the seller!

[Black93300ZX]

Alright, seriously, PM me. I'm willing to drop this but you just won't.

[scotchua]

All I'm saying is please don't brag like your a rock star when your really not!

Well i haven't seen you say please much, and as i stated already, that is PM material right there. I see that Black has agreed to continue the discussion over PM, and as such i see no need for further commentary about it.

[Kraize]

Rofl. This is a hilarious thread. I wish I lived in Alaska! Everyone get's paid $1000 a year I think? so people can drill oil there. lol. At least that's what I heard =/ How are you willing to drop this though? You yourself admit it that you saw the eBay auction, contacted the seller immediately and asked if you could pay $900 and if he would take the auction down now and he agreeded. So end of story..

[McHale]

oh, PS - I talked to the seller!

Wow, what's your deal? This thread is about the Touch Pro. Please take your petty bickering to PM or drop it. Not only is it off topic and everybody was warned, but it looks like you're just trying to destroy black because you're jealous.


Hell, it might be time to close this thread and for Black to say screw you all. If I were Black, I know I would.

-Mc

[Black93300ZX]

Rofl. This is a hilarious thread. I wish I lived in Alaska! Everyone get's paid $1000 a year I think? so people can drill oil there. lol. At least that's what I heard =/ How are you willing to drop this though? You yourself admit it that you saw the eBay auction, contacted the seller immediately and asked if you could pay $900 and if he would take the auction down now and he agreeded. So end of story..

Exactly, end of story. Let's move on.

[Raspster]

Look, I'm a reasonable guy. I'll drop it right now. All I'm saying is lay off on the 'HAHA, I GOT IT AND YOU DONT!' You gave us ALOT of good info on the US version of the phone and I think that is great!

I'M DONE!

[Black93300ZX]

Wow, what's your deal? This thread is about the Touch Pro. Please take your petty bickering to PM or drop it. Not only is it off topic and everybody was warned, but it looks like you're just trying to destroy black because you're jealous.


Hell, it might be time to close this thread and for Black to say screw you all. If I were Black, I know I would.

-Mc

Actually, that's a great idea. Anyone can IM me on any messenger or email me if they want more info about the Touch Pro, but there will be no more talk of it on the forum. I'm not about to become involved in a mud-slinging contest. Mods, please lock this thread. Thanks.

[TheBundo]

Thread CLOSED

[Kraize]

Hell. Delete it =) Locking does not help. I think we should start a new thread. "Touch Pro vs AT&T Fuze. What is the difference"

[Raspster]

I agree, it would be best for the ebay seller as well! :)

[McHale]

I agree, it would be best for the ebay seller as well! :)

I'm all for banning Rapster if any mods are still with this thread...

[Kraize]

So let's stop posting and let Kraize have the last word :P (I kid I kid) But I guess we can consider this thread locked (hopefully soon before it gets even more out of hand =/) and positioned to be deleted.

Kraize

[scotchua]

Rofl. This is a hilarious thread. I wish I lived in Alaska! Everyone get's paid $1000 a year I think? so people can drill oil there. lol. At least that's what I heard =/

If you wish you lived here then move here, there's plenty of room up here ;). It's not $1,000, it's actually a lot more than that, though your explanation is an extreme oversimplification to the extent i think you got it from watching the Simpson's movie, lol. For the record, i paid $.80/gal more for gas than the national average yesterday, and there are many places here paying over $6/gal, so it's not all free money up here.

Here's a wikipedia article that explains what it is very briefly, i'm sure you know how to search if you'd like to know more.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alaska_Permanent_Fund_Dividend (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alaska_Permanent_Fund_Dividend)

Thread CLOSED

I don't think the thread needs to be closed, i just think people need to act like reasonable adults and remember why we're here. Jimmy will probably end up having to come delete a bunch of posts. He did warn everyone yesterday not to stir up trouble.

I'm all for banning Rapster if any mods are still with this thread...

If you think someone is out of line then the proper procedure is to report the post as offensive or breaking the rules in some way, and provide an explanation why you think so. Then let the mods decide what needs to be done about it, as they are not involved in the situation and will act impartially to simply enforce the rules regardless of the offending parties. Remember that you not liking someone isn't grounds for being banned, and than if you get into a heated exchange often times both parties are ban worthy...so the point is, don't fight...share knowledge...develop things...be courteous.

[Black93300ZX]

I'm all for banning Rapster if any mods are still with this thread...

Nawww, that's excessive... We've worked out our differences over PM. All friends now, problems gone. :)

[Kraize]

If you wish you lived here then move here, there's plenty of room up here ;). It's not $1,000, it's actually a lot more than that, though your explanation is an extreme oversimplification to the extent i think you got it from watching the Simpson's movie, lol. For the record, i paid $.80/gal more for gas than the national average yesterday, and there are many places here paying over $6/gal, so it's not all free money up here.

Here's a wikipedia article that explains what it is very briefly, i'm sure you know how to search if you'd like to know more.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alaska_Permanent_Fund_Dividend (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alaska_Permanent_Fund_Dividend)


Lol. Thanks for the info. But Alaska is a beautiful place to live in I would take it. I just can't really stand the cold. I like the sun better. But it was fun when I stayed in Tahoe for a couple days.


It's not $1,000, it's actually a lot more than that, though your explanation is an extreme oversimplification to the extent i think you got it from watching the Simpson's movie, lol.

LOL how'd u know. +100 to you for knowing that. Now if you could tell me when I watched the movie I'll paypal you $5 :P

[JimmyMcGee]

Seriously, I warned you guys, mrvanx warned you guys. And you don't get it. This is not a elementary school play ground. Thanks for ruining an otherwise awesome thread.

And don't think you can just start another thread to continue this mindless banter. I have eyes everywhere. :D