seriously guys.. your honest thoughts on the camera...

[darthbane2k]

I find every picture I take with the diamond sub par and not even 3 megapixel standard. my resolution is def set to highest. even my missus's iphone produces sharper more defined pics. diamond pics are soft, cloudy and blotchy when zoomedl auto white balance is useless, always gets things wrong and I have to always fiddle around with manual settings. what are your experiences?

[Wim_1984]

Original files are in zip.. When you hold the td perfectly still the photo's are ok.. when te conditions are worse, i.e. your walking/moving, in darker places, the quality runs back quickly.

[tha_rami]

I found the camera amazing (except for in the dark, while contra-light doesn't seem to matter that match). Good quality, high-res pictures if you allow it to focus correctly and hold still. Some good modes too.

[studz]

Prety much the same. Only way to get a reasonable pic is to remove the back when I need as good a quality as possible, and when I do so they're passable. Find auto WB is ok outdoors, but rubbish indoors (badly washed out), and needs a bit of fiddling to get the best out of it.

Bit of a nause, but I'm not a prolific snapper, so it's not the end of the world for me.

[benko286]

camera is amazing on light.

but in the dark it is really shit.

[tomchap]

Prety much the same. Only way to get a reasonable pic is to remove the back when I need as good a quality as possible,

This is exactly what has been said before, i completely agree and I did some tests on it to. Both my images showed that with the cover on, cloudy, misty pictures and with the cover off, good quality, reasonably sharp pictures.

camera is amazing on light.

but in the dark it is really shit.

I do also agree that indoors and in low light the quality isn't that great but outdoors especially in good light the pictures are pretty good. Would be great if there was some sort of software tweak or software upgrade that would improve the quality of the pictures produced.

But at the end of the day we all know it all goes down to the quality of the camera that the manufacturer has used in the device. Im reasonably happy with the 3.2 megapixel that was used but with things like the Samsung i900 Omnia coming out / recently out with a pretty good 5 mega pixel hopefully HTC will take note and upgrade the cameras in future devices.

Im happy with mine, taking the back cover off can be a pain, but it works for me! (For now, hehe!)

[Silent Shark]

Compared to what I just came from (a terrible VGA cam in a Motorola V3), I think the camera is amazing. It's not up to proper camera levels, but if I was after a camera for more than the occasional picture, I'd buy a proper digital cam or one of these phone/camera hybrids.

It does require a steady hand though, and it very low light it's not good, but even in relatively poor light it still did better than I was expecting.

[blackjones]

Its just 'OK' in the light and useless in dark.

[darthbane2k]

okay. tried with the cover off and theres definately an improvement, although still not perfect. however, its going to be a major pain in the arse to take the back cover off everytime I want to take an improv picture.

[liamhere]

okay. tried with the cover off and theres definately an improvement, although still not perfect. however, its going to be a major pain in the arse to take the back cover off everytime I want to take an improv picture.

push the lense cover out....worked for me

but then you have the problems or crap getting in the back of the phone

[Tendou]

Pretty good during the day, but at night it turns to shit, my guess is that it tries to prolong the shutter speed instead of increase the gain / ISO sensitivity.

HTC need to learn 2 program.

[darthbane2k]

push the lense cover out....worked for me

but then you have the problems or crap getting in the back of the phone

what if we cover the hole with clear screen protector film?

[dazza9075]

it would warp the image, short of proper optics you cant just cover a hole an take a picture through it, what we need it some sort of shutter on the back panel, quite easy to manufacture if someone could be bothered

[glumetu]

Pretty good during the day, but at night it turns to shit, my guess is that it tries to prolong the shutter speed instead of increase the gain / ISO sensitivity.

HTC need to learn 2 program.
you have any idea what does it take in terms of sensor circuitry to increase ISO sensitivity?

you have any idea how expensive a good camera sensor is (not the crap you see in consumer cameras, which are also shit in the dark)?

guys, I think you're just being unrealistic about what a phone camera should do.

[kultus]

I cleaned up my cover lens and I pushed it more that I wanted and ups it is out so now Im glad with clean photos and once a time I clean up hole back under cover...

...but about steady hand and good not blurry pictures...does anybody worked sports or burst mode with resolution higher than size "L"

[darthbane2k]

I cleaned up my cover lens and I pushed it more that I wanted and ups it is out so now Im glad with clean photos and once a time I clean up hole back under cover...

...but about steady hand and good not blurry pictures...does anybody worked sports or burst mode with resolution higher than size "L"

can popping out the lens cover really damage the phone?

[kikakeule]

well
you'll get dust inside, this shall be most notably when wearing it in pocket...

i managed it by putting a plastic seal around it:
i took one of those cable holders which came with the diamond (e.g. holding the headset together) cut it in the middle (so it was half as high as before) and placed it around the lense
now its closed again (teste with very fine sand) and i got much better photos....
(sry for the bad english ;D - I hope you can get what i mean)

[kultus]

Im wearing it in my pocket and its not that horible than I expected so its your choice...no damage btw glue is still there so its the matter of 2 sec to stick it up...:D

[Lord_BlackAdder]

If you don't want to remove the lens cover, then clean the cover. Have a look at your cover and you should see why the picture comes out the way it does.

[Nameless21]

I.ve been watching this forum for more on this issue. The camera is crap. I upgraded to the htc rom because it said it made camera improvements. Bull***t. It’s still the same. I take loads of photos and almost all with the diamond have some sort of blurriness. If you have some sort of movement when the photo is taken then it blurs’. Examples below. Because of what another member posted about the same problem. I will be contacting htc support.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=412397
My old 2.0 mp Artemis and 3.0 mp Tytn II never had this problem.
Photos with the diamond
http://i274.photobucket.com/albums/j.../IMAGE_041.jpg
http://i274.photobucket.com/albums/j.../IMAGE_022.jpg
http://i274.photobucket.com/albums/j.../IMAGE_014.jpg
i.ve tried without back cover and it makes no diference

[KukurikU]

seriously guys....i think you forget that the diamond's camera is just a toy. this is not a real camera. this is something you use when u forgot your real camera at home. want artistic pictures? buy a 7Mpicsel camera, they are small (even smaller than the diamond) and can get you high quality pics! try!
i am so fed up with all this whining and complaining....you can not get the best phone, the best camera, the best recording, the best media player in such a device...not yet. we have to compromise....
here u have a few snapshots i took this morning, all in "auto" mode. are they really so crappy/shitty or what ever word some ppl love to use?
recommendation: if yr hands are not steady enough than stop or even take a break from drinking or sniffing/smoking or ....you know what else...;):D

[studz]

seriously guys....i think you forget that the diamond's camera is just a toy. this is not a real camera. this is something you use when u forgot your real camera at home.

Absolutely!

More than good enough for its design spec IMHO.

[Nuri58]

First thing is to keep the cover lens free of grease, which is a challenge. Then it works reasonably (still better with no back cover). I do not know what HTC has been thinling making such construction. Anyway, HTC has never been known for camaras and it'll still be a while a suppose. But in an emergency it's OK.

[liamhere]

must agree my trinity took way beter photos....

but it i want to take good photos....ill use my 10mp canon

the diamond isn't that bad....remember its a phone 1st...not a real camera

[darthbane2k]

Absolutely!

More than good enough for its design spec IMHO.

not at all.
When the 3Megapixel autofocus diamond camera is producing more blurry, cloudy and less defined pics than 2 megapixel iphone with no auto focus, then something is wrong.
I suspect the plastic cover is to blame, but Im not going to remove the back of my phone everytime I want to take a picture.
This is poor design and poor quality control, and yes I keep my phone in a case at a times.

[Nuri58]

And forget about the MP - it's the optics which is the more important issue and the user of course. Even 8 MP do not get close to the old 4 MP real cameras. The fons will at best remain snapshot kind of cameras as long as you cannot fit a view finder and optical zoom to them.

[Nuri58]

can popping out the lens cover really damage the phone?Anything can mechanical can get dammaged by wear. And if you slide it on not alligned it could get dammeged quickly. It seems that it's one of the cheap spares selling at about 12£ (don't ask me about delivery time).

[tnyynt]

must agree my trinity took way beter photos....

but it i want to take good photos....ill use my 10mp canon

the diamond isn't that bad....remember its a phone 1st...not a real camera
I must disagree, my Trinity stil takes 2 times worse pics.

not at all.
When the 3Megapixel autofocus diamond camera is producing more blurry, cloudy and less defined pics than 2 megapixel iphone with no auto focus, then something is wrong.
I suspect the plastic cover is to blame, but Im not going to remove the back of my phone everytime I want to take a picture.
This is poor design and poor quality control, and yes I keep my phone in a case at a times.

Then sell it and buy a JesusPhone!

[kultus]

oh comon guys what did you expect??? I think that Diamonds photos as well as Kaisers are enought for presentation, moments and also holidays photos and for print too I tried it and was surprised so dont blame manufacterer when you are alcoholism and dont have steady hand or takeing photos in low light enviroment ITS JUST CELLPHONE!!! so learn how to take good photos with mobile camera and dont fu*k around here because you are incopetent and useless in this case...one think I never forgive to HTC that there is no flash only in Touch Pro but thats my compromise...so call me if you will have 100%perfect phone on 555-i m g l a d w i t h d i a m o n d:D:D:D

[Desmondo]

and yes I keep my phone in a case at all times.
This is your problem. Take it out of the case for photos and you'll see a massive improvement.

[Nuri58]

oh comon guys what did you expect??? I think that Diamonds photos as well as Kaisers are enought for presentation, moments and also holidays photos and for print too I tried it and was surprised so dont blame manufacterer when you are alcoholism and dont have steady hand or takeing photos in low light enviroment ITS JUST CELLPHONE!!! so learn how to take good photos with mobile camera and dont fu*k around here because you are incopetent and useless in this case...one think I never forgive to HTC that there is no flash only in Touch Pro but thats my compromise...so call me if you will have 100%perfect phone on 555-i m g l a d w i t h d i a m o n d:D:D:DThat's as such correct. I just don't understand why HTC did not make a movable lens protector for the TD, and then of course it is anoying that an older mobile with lower specs are shooting better pictures. I find the pics OK for mobile phone.

[kultus]

because of less costs one cheap piece of plastic vs. cover mechanism which would also make thicker phone...

look at the list of PPCs and smartphones and write down which has photos with quality enought to print...and then look at their launch date...

[Nameless21]

I think this is the wrong forum for posting about problems with phones. If someone believes they are not getting what they paid for and post here, there are more people waiting to jump down there throats calling them alcoholics or druggies. Than people wanting to help them.

[KukurikU]

I think this is the wrong forum for posting about problems with phones. If someone believes they are not getting what they paid for and post here, there are more people waiting to jump down there throats calling them alcoholics or druggies. Than people wanting to help them.
i think this is not the real thing that bother you. what made you write this last post is the lack of understanding:
1. why others can get decent pictures.
2. when somebody write a post or a sentence that ended with :D this means "joke". like let's have fun.....now try and remember :
smiley "big grin" = joke. repeat after me.....J O K E.
don't know why you are the only one that (it might be my opinion only) felt insulted :confused: (this sign mean confused). maybe for you ir was not a joke? :p (the sign mean stick out tongue, also a kind of "just kidding")
P.S.
by replacing the word "crap" from yr first post with the words "bad", "not good enough", "poor quality", "not what i expected" etc, you could seriously improve yr post and pass on the same message. the b.s. is also uncalled and unnecessary. try next time to better choose yr words in the spirit of this forum.

[tha_rami]

seriously guys....i think you forget that the diamond's camera is just a toy. this is not a real camera. this is something you use when u forgot your real camera at home. want artistic pictures? buy a 7Mpicsel camera, they are small (even smaller than the diamond) and can get you high quality pics! try!
i am so fed up with all this whining and complaining....you can not get the best phone, the best camera, the best recording, the best media player in such a device...not yet. we have to compromise....
here u have a few snapshots i took this morning, all in "auto" mode. are they really so crappy/shitty or what ever word some ppl love to use?
recommendation: if yr hands are not steady enough than stop or even take a break from drinking or sniffing/smoking or ....you know what else...;):D
Wow, the first time I agreed with one of your posts. Those are fine pic's :).

[Nameless21]

So there’s a long list of rules for words to replace words? And it’s ok to insult someone as long as you put a simile at the end? So how do you think someone here for the first time will get on? And just because your diamond takes good pictures it doesn’t mean everyone’s diamond takes the same quality. There’s obviously an issue for some users.

[KukurikU]

So there’s a long list of rules for words to replace words? And it’s ok to insult someone as long as you put a simile at the end? So how do you think someone here for the first time will get on? And just because your diamond takes good pictures it doesn’t mean everyone’s diamond takes the same quality. There’s obviously an issue for some users.
you did take it personal!! that says a lot.
look m8, if two ppl are complaining about something and 12 others said is not true...what is yr conclusion? as u said it in first post: go and replace it. stop being so angry and humorless. it was a joke. it was not intended to offend anyone or you in particular. take a joke and take a hint. "if 2 ppl are saying you are drunk than go to sleep".
i am sorry for yr you and yr diamond but i have no way of helping you. nobody has.
btw, your avatar is exactly the impression you are making.
look, so is mine!!!!

[tnyynt]

If this thread is getting out of line, I may need to close it!
Stop eating each other up and keep it to the subject! It's for everyone's sake!

[kultus]

yes lock it absolutely useless thread because I dont even remember who started this :p and most of ppls have quite decent pictures which correspond to common camera pictures of our times if think nokia and SE is better buy it and before buy something try to inform about product on net there are such a possibilities forums reviews etc...

some good photos from me like proof first two from Kaiser second two from Diamond

[FH1]

Brilliant. Considering it's a phone!

[smithyz]

I spent 250 pounds on a Panasonic bridge camera and it takes phenominally good photos. Doesn't make good phone calls though.

[tnyynt]

I spent 250 pounds on a Panasonic bridge camera and it takes phenominally good photos. Doesn't make good phone calls though.

Upgrade to the latest Radio and ROM! ;)
Don't forget to HardSPL first! :p

[kultus]

diamond doesnt make extremely sharp photos on long distances same as Kaiser after camera fix but photos are more antialiased but after resize they are awesome and thats exactly what printing on normal (15x10cm, 13x9cm)format do so as I said Im GLAD:D

[stevodude]

the diamond camera is cr@p. My Eten M600+ took better photo's being a 2mpixel camera, but if thats all you have, then thats all you have.

I have a canon Ixus400 that I use for instants, and a canon s5is for full shots, so I only use the diamond's in case of emergency, and really try not to use it at all.

[kultus]

LOL I saw pictures from X600 but its definitely bigger crap than Diamond even for photos at dist about meter ...

pls can any MOD finally LOCK this thread??? I wanted to go here everytime but its useless thread:p finnish with my suffering:D:D:D

[kourampies]

camera is amazing on light.

but in the dark it is really shit.
+1 :):D:):D

[StarMonkee]

I was out earlier and it was sunny, so I took a few test shots - make your own conclusions :)

http://www.flightline.co.uk/~kris/diamond/IMAGE_032.jpg
http://www.flightline.co.uk/~kris/diamond/IMAGE_033.jpg
http://www.flightline.co.uk/~kris/diamond/IMAGE_035.jpg
http://www.flightline.co.uk/~kris/diamond/IMAGE_036.jpg
http://www.flightline.co.uk/~kris/diamond/IMAGE_037.jpg

I haven't resized them at all, and it's all using the default settings. I've noticed that there's a fair bit of colour saturation. My old w810i with a 2mp camera took much better photos, but I'd say these are passable.

I did make sure that the lens on the back was completely clean :P

Here are a few samples from my w810i:
http://www.flightline.co.uk/~kris/diamond/DSC00018.JPG
http://www.flightline.co.uk/~kris/diamond/DSC00138.JPG
http://www.flightline.co.uk/~kris/diamond/DSC00140.JPG

[KukurikU]

@ StarMonkee:
Essex is beautiful! lucky you!

[stevodude]

yea lock this already, we all know the camera is crapolla :-)

[Nuri58]

[QUOTE=StarMonkee;2561481]I was out earlier and it was sunny, so I took a few test shots - make your own conclusions :)

I haven't resized them at all, and it's all using the default settings. I've noticed that there's a fair bit of colour saturation. My old w810i with a 2mp camera took much better photos, but I'd say these are passable.

I did make sure that the lens on the back was completely clean :P

Here are a few samples from my w810i:

I'll say quite OK - it counts as snapshoots. I'd like to see the same shoots taken the same day. There may be an issue with the reolution/compression used in the default settings. I'll have to look into this myself one day soon and try to link up with someone having a SE photo phone.

[StarMonkee]

The w810i shots were from a holiday last year at the lake district, Essex isn't that pretty :D

I tried to dig out a few from my tytn but I couldnt find any outdoor ones in decent light to compare.

I've still got all 3 phones, so I could go out and take some identical shots but I'm not sure it's needed. The diamond is good enough in decent light to take snapshots which can be printed. Indoors isn't worth bothering with though :(

[StarMonkee]

Here's one from today, which wasn't sunny but the light was still pretty good. This shot isn't that great, a lot of sharpness is lost and there's a fair bit of colour bleed.

http://www.flightline.co.uk/~kris/diamond/IMAGE_038.jpg

[StarMonkee]

Macro isn't bad either :)

http://www.flightline.co.uk/~kris/diamond/IMAGE_039.jpg

[teddyen66]

I'm actually satisfied with the quality too.

Here is a picture taken outside but on at cloudy day.
And I don't think that I had the settings on the highest possible resolution.

[StarMonkee]

That looks good, seems sharper than the ones I've taken :D

[kultus]

Here's one from today, which wasn't sunny but the light was still pretty good. This shot isn't that great, a lot of sharpness is lost and there's a fair bit of colour bleed.

http://www.flightline.co.uk/~kris/diamond/IMAGE_038.jpg

sometimes looks like pastel painting :) but it looks good on primted photo

[teddyen66]

That looks good, seems sharper than the ones I've taken :D

Might be because I have removed the "lens" on the backcover ;-)

[Nuri58]

Might be because I have removed the "lens" on the backcover ;-)Next you tell us is and used your Olympus he he. No I get same kinda quality with mine.