VZW vs DCD

[JukEboXAuDiO]

Ok so here is a quick question for you. I got my new device and whats better to flash on it? DCD or the new VZW release? Let me know and I will do it?

[evanbriggs1]

DCD is way ahead of the curb to any software release from any company, with his software it pays in spades what you originally got from the phone out of the box. GPS, PAN, DUN, sting SMS, faster better use of CPU and RAM the list is endless. hands down DCD's ROM is the industry standard.

the added value to the phone is nothing short of outstanding.

[lafester]

no question. dcd.

[Pegasus"143"]

There is absolutely no way you can dobetter than DCD's Roms.

[scrosler]

Ok so here is a quick question for you. I got my new device and whats better to flash on it? DCD or the new VZW release? Let me know and I will do it?

Oh boy, don't get me started. Read my rants in the thread I started about the official release. The only think worse you could do to your phone other than putting the VZW release on it is running it over with your car after pulling it out of the back of a dump truck thats filled with molten lava, uranium, and fast flying neutrino radiation. I would rather try conjuring the spirits of my dead grand mother in hopes that she could build a better ROM than this crappy, late to the game, outdated months before it came out, non supported, lacking GPS , bullsh*t ass VZW ROM.

I guess what I am trying to say is I would go with DCD's ROM ;c)

DISCLAIMER: Before anyone gets offended, this is solely my opinion (granted taken to an extreme!). Thank you for taking the time to view.

[lafester]

what i think is sad is all the people who won't flash anything but stock have suffered through all these months with 2.09 only to be rewarded with a crippled 6.1 with useless gps.

at least now you can unlock and flash to dcd knowing that you can revert to stock without bricking since you now have a stock gps rom. that is going to be the only thing this rom is good for.

[scrosler]

what i think is sad is all the people who won't flash anything but stock have suffered through all these months with 2.09 only to be rewarded with a crippled 6.1 with useless gps.

at least now you can unlock and flash to dcd knowing that you can revert to stock without bricking since you now have a stock gps rom. that is going to be the only thing this rom is good for.

Hey, that is a good point I didn't think about. We can use this to flash if we hose our phones.

[deeznuts2]

what i think is sad is all the people who won't flash anything but stock have suffered through all these months with 2.09 only to be rewarded with a crippled 6.1 with useless gps.

at least now you can unlock and flash to dcd knowing that you can revert to stock without bricking since you now have a stock gps rom. that is going to be the only thing this rom is good for.

LOL

Why do people continue to insist that the phone GPS is all that and a side of fries?

Has it ever occurred to you that some people dont give a rat's behind about GPS functionality on their phone? Guess what, I dont - I have a dedicated autonomous GPS which blows the crap out of anything you will get on your 6800's "gps" function.

Its not all about GPS you know - imagine that? There is a universe where things other than GPS is important

I've also tried a few of dcd's roms - great stuff - no doubt about it. But for the apps I run, the stock ROM seems to be better - blows your mind, I know.

[indagroove]

LOL

I have a dedicated autonomous GPS which blows the crap out of anything you will get on your 6800's "gps" function.


What will your gps do that my Titan won't?

[kdj67f]

I would like to know what apps run better on the stock ROM. Seriously... I want to know.

[deeznuts2]

What will your gps do that my Titan won't?

Are you kidding me? Do you even own a dedicated GPS unit like a Garmin or Magellan?

I would like to know what apps run better on the stock ROM. Seriously... I want to know.

I have a number of dedicated business and medical applications that run better with the stock rom than a few custom roms I've tried. For what/how I use my 6800 for, stock edges out custom roms.
If you use your 6800 like a toy, than its possible that a dcd or similar rom offers benefits. But for my purposes, the custom roms werent cutting.

[indagroove]

Are you kidding me? Do you even own a dedicated GPS unit like a Garmin or Magellan?



No, but I run Garmin and TomTom on my Titan, so what can yours do that mine can't? Anything?

[deeznuts2]

No, but I run Garmin and TomTom on my Titan, so what can yours do that mine can't? Anything?

Sorry, but those applications are just that - applications. They arent the same thing as what you can get on a dedicated unit. They are nothing more than maps - just like mapquest

But if you want something that a dedicated GPS unit can do that the 6800 cant with GPS enabled I'll tell you....

Real-Time traffic

And no, you dont have true real-time traffic on the 6800 since it isnt capable of accepting FM RDS signals

Listen, there is no sense arguing about it further - if you are happy with the GPS on the 6800 then isnt that what matters? I was not, hence, the reason I dont care about the whole GPS/custom rom thing. Enabling GPS on the 6800 was such a low priority for me since I didnt need it.

If you are happy with it and it serves your needs, then great.

If you want to continue this conversation, PM me - no sense clogging up this thread anymore

[kdj67f]

Well, I asked. I have never ran one of those programs so I have no idea how they compare to stock/DCD roms.

I use my device like a "toy" as much as I use it for e-mail, Excel editing and other business type applications.

Thanks for educating us.

[frazell]

Sorry, but those applications are just that - applications. They arent the same thing as what you can get on a dedicated unit. They are nothing more than maps - just like mapquest

But if you want something that a dedicated GPS unit can do that the 6800 cant with GPS enabled I'll tell you....

Real-Time traffic

And no, you dont have true real-time traffic on the 6800 since it isnt capable of accepting FM RDS signals

Listen, there is no sense arguing about it further - if you are happy with the GPS on the 6800 then isnt that what matters? I was not, hence, the reason I dont care about the whole GPS/custom rom thing. Enabling GPS on the 6800 was such a low priority for me since I didnt need it.

If you are happy with it and it serves your needs, then great.

If you want to continue this conversation, PM me - no sense clogging up this thread anymore

I usually refrain from posting, but err wha? This confusingly senseless posts seems to have dragged me out of my cave...

Is FM not only used as a very low cost alternative to using Cell Phone Data Networks? It is the same network built out by MS to support their MSN Direct Watches that they are now leasing to services like Garmin for GPS Traffic... Since the tech you mentioned is simply there to give the "real" GPS device access to data, how is it any "better"?

Do they release updates to their non-PDA GPS setups faster? Otherwise, it should be the same (provided the cell phone has data coverage)...

Unless Garmin doesn't provide real time traffic at all on their PDA stuff?

I too am curious on the apps though... As DCD 3.2.6 is the fastest ROM I've ever touched on my Mogul (not saying much since I've only owned it 1.5 months and have only ran Stock + Stock latest + DCD 3.2.5 and 3.2.6). It runs everything faster and just "better".

I don't use my PDA as a "toy" so I'd recommend you not lump anyone who doesn't do exactly what you do into the kid with a toy category.

Depending on your applications needs you might be better off using the kitchen for DCD roms to be sure the stuff you need is included.

I had to add the Enterprise option to my ROM so it would sync with my exchange server (as my phone has to be able to enforce my corporate exchange policies).

[deeznuts2]

I usually refrain from posting, but err wha? This confusingly senseless posts seems to have dragged me out of my cave...

Is FM not only used as a very low cost alternative to using Cell Phone Data Networks? It is the same network built out by MS to support their MSN Direct Watches that they are now leasing to services like Garmin for GPS Traffic... Since the tech you mentioned is simply there to give the "real" GPS device access to data, how is it any "better"?

Do they release updates to their non-PDA GPS setups faster? Otherwise, it should be the same (provided the cell phone has data coverage)...

Unless Garmin doesn't provide real time traffic at all on their PDA stuff?...

Its only a pointless post if you didnt go back far enough in the thread to see where someone was asking me about something specific.

Either the 6800 is capable of receiving live traffic updates or its not - it obviously cant get RDS so we know its not getting updates there. Can it get it over another network?

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I too am curious on the apps though... As DCD 3.2.6 is the fastest ROM I've ever touched on my Mogul (not saying much since I've only owned it 1.5 months and have only ran Stock + Stock latest + DCD 3.2.5 and 3.2.6). It runs everything faster and just "better".

Sorry but I tried 3.2.5 and 3.2.6 and found the stock rom to be faster
I love how people try to tell me that the custom rom is faster and that I must be mistaken :confused: - arguing with someone over their experience with anything is completely pointless. If in your use dcd's rom was faster, then great - in my experience it was not and hence I went back to the stock rom (unhappily since at that time I had to give up RevA)

I don't use my PDA as a "toy" so I'd recommend you not lump anyone who doesn't do exactly what you do into the kid with a toy category.

Point well taken - my apologies

Depending on your applications needs you might be better off using the kitchen for DCD roms to be sure the stuff you need is included.

I had to add the Enterprise option to my ROM so it would sync with my exchange server (as my phone has to be able to enforce my corporate exchange policies).

EXACTLY! Thats what I've been saying all along - depending on your needs, the stock rom will be fine or you may need to go with a custom rom

Now we are back on topic

[calash]

My TomTom software pulls real-time traffic. Live Search can even pull the traffic in real time..provided you have a data connection.

That is the real difference, not that it cannot get the traffic but the method it does and if it costs anything. I got the unlimited data so it is a non-issue to me, but with a limited data plan a dedicated GPS will win out based on that function alone.

[tntopspin]

I have a number of dedicated business and medical applications that run better with the stock rom than a few custom roms I've tried. For what/how I use my 6800 for, stock edges out custom roms.
If you use your 6800 like a toy, than its possible that a dcd or similar rom offers benefits. But for my purposes, the custom roms werent cutting.
What medical app runs better on a stock ROM than on a dcd ROM? Please name any specific app? Lexi-...? PocketMed? Harrison's? Even Epocrates?

If you're going to make this claim publicly, back it up with ANY specific app you've used which runs better on stock in your opinion so others can weigh in or test your claims. That's only fair when you're slandering dcd ROM's as better for "play" than "work." If you have "a number of..... apps that run better with the stock rom" surely you can name at least one, but I notice you don't.

I say, put up or shut up.

[jambrose]

Sorry, but those applications are just that - applications. They arent the same thing as what you can get on a dedicated unit. They are nothing more than maps - just like mapquest

But if you want something that a dedicated GPS unit can do that the 6800 cant with GPS enabled I'll tell you....

Real-Time traffic

And no, you dont have true real-time traffic on the 6800 since it isnt capable of accepting FM RDS signals

Listen, there is no sense arguing about it further - if you are happy with the GPS on the 6800 then isnt that what matters? I was not, hence, the reason I dont care about the whole GPS/custom rom thing. Enabling GPS on the 6800 was such a low priority for me since I didnt need it.

If you are happy with it and it serves your needs, then great.

If you want to continue this conversation, PM me - no sense clogging up this thread anymore

Then why waste your time posting here then? If stock if great for you then why waste your time on a forum for making custom ROMs? I think the GPS in the Titan is just as good as any hand held. TomTom, Live Search, Google Maps and others all can receive realtime traffic through the standard data network. Also TomTom devices are Windows CE embedded devices and use bluetooth connection to a data phone for the real time traffic and other services. So for me having one unit that I can carry to do GPS, email (work and personal), Geocaching, Bible, and internet search is invaluable. Since VZW seems to want to charge for using the GPS then we have DCD. If you don't care about the internal GPS then be happy with the stock ROMs. Better or faster is a matter of opinion that is true, but if I don't have to deal with all the bloatware that comes with the stock ROM the less that will take up precious memory. For me DCD/GC has made my phone a tool that enables me to work outside of my office, it is definitely not a toy.

[frazell]

Its only a pointless post if you didnt go back far enough in the thread to see where someone was asking me about something specific.

Either the 6800 is capable of receiving live traffic updates or its not - it obviously cant get RDS so we know its not getting updates there. Can it get it over another network?


I've read every page of this thread prior to posting. I read far more than I post by a long shot. I rarely post without listening (reading) first.

I posted because FM RDS is simply a data connection. Nothing more, Nothing less. With that in mind it would mean as long as the 6800 has a data connection it should show the same exact traffic information as a standalone "real" GPS device, unless either real-time traffic isn't a provided feature or the traffic provider prioritizes one device class over another.


Sorry but I tried 3.2.5 and 3.2.6 and found the stock rom to be faster
I love how people try to tell me that the custom rom is faster and that I must be mistaken :confused: - arguing with someone over their experience with anything is completely pointless. If in your use dcd's rom was faster, then great - in my experience it was not and hence I went back to the stock rom (unhappily since at that time I had to give up RevA)


I wasn't slamming you as being inaccurate in your usage findings. There are far too many variations of this device to be absolutely certain they don't have more than just cosmetic differences. I was just adding to the thread collective my experience of DCD being a LOT faster than stock. As I also pointed out, my experience with the Mogul doesn't run that long. I just recently moved to it from my HTC Wizard.

Although it does help if you cite specifics. Such as "App XYZ runs faster" or whatnot so someone else using it can chime in and agree or what not. Unless you wrote the app for yourself you can't assume none of us run it ;)

[selytch]

The argument is really void. Yes, Garmin device is faster than garmin app for PPC, but not by much. Garmin uses the same PPC architecture AFAIK anyway, just tweaked for their needs. That is the only benefit of a dedicated garmin device.

Tomtom runs beautifully on PPC. With DCD or nue or stockrom. Live traffic included (which is almost useless anyway - the trafic info has a long way to go for ALL devices, maybe except for DASH implementation).

Any hardware device will struggle to get PPC functionality. Thats the beauty of having an OS with SDK.

And I use medical apps on many roms, both stable and unstable. If there is ever any error, it is due to bad app writing (very characteristic of many medical apps) or .net framework. Lexi, skyscape, sanford and more run perfectly on any rom.

Please, stop inflating this forum. This is flame and an offtopic.

Sorry, but those applications are just that - applications. They arent the same thing as what you can get on a dedicated unit. They are nothing more than maps - just like mapquest

But if you want something that a dedicated GPS unit can do that the 6800 cant with GPS enabled I'll tell you....

Real-Time traffic

And no, you dont have true real-time traffic on the 6800 since it isnt capable of accepting FM RDS signals

Listen, there is no sense arguing about it further - if you are happy with the GPS on the 6800 then isnt that what matters? I was not, hence, the reason I dont care about the whole GPS/custom rom thing. Enabling GPS on the 6800 was such a low priority for me since I didnt need it.

If you are happy with it and it serves your needs, then great.

If you want to continue this conversation, PM me - no sense clogging up this thread anymore

[deeznuts2]

...That's only fair when you're slandering dcd ROM's as better for "play" than "work." ...

I'm not slandering anyone's roms. DCDs rom are a thing of pure genius and are really great. The topic of this thread focuses on the VZW rom versus the DCD rom. It is meant to explore the differences, advantages, and disadvantages. I've relayed my experience with both types of roms. You're experience may be different. The world doesnt revolve around dcd's roms - I've never told anyone that their experience is full of crap, so I wouldnt expect anyone to tell me that my experience is "wrong"

Again, FOR HOW I USE MY DEVICE, the stock roms provided better performance.

I really dont understand why some people just cant accept that.

God forbid a fully designed firmware from scratch would work better than a cooked rom containing parts of different firmwares...

Oh, by the way - where I live, the radio in the new VZW rom works better than any other radio I've tried. I get 2 more bars with the new VZW radio compared to other radios I've tried.

And now, to enjoy my 6800 - I would suggest you all do the same. This conversation is a dead one

[taspankya]

just wanted to add, since this thread seemed to turn into a GPS conversation. a dedicated GPS screen can be much bigger than your Titan. thought i'd mention that in favor of deeznut's opinion on the subject.

but i do believe that dcd is leaps and bounds better in all aspects than stock. but like you said you cant argue with people's opinions its a moot point.

my favorite topics on this forum are the radio and primer/ other type of mod combination that they think is the fastest. "locked in 2.342 seconds indoors!!" :rolleyes:lol.. thats just funny to me. everyone has the same round about time to lock, those topics are ridiculous.. sorry for the rant - well not really i dont care :p

[dbrown2]

Oh, by the way - where I live, the radio in the new VZW rom works better than any other radio I've tried. I get 2 more bars with the new VZW radio compared to other radios I've tried.

On the above note I agree 100%, I have no idea why (not smart enough), but I do find that the stock radio gets more bars in the same location (my work) then any of the other radios (have not tried the latest yet). But I want the gps and love the clean rom and really just love flashing and trying new things out. So I use DCD latest and really enjoy it.

To be honest I am very grateful to DCD and others that work so hard for really nothing to speak of to give me a phone that gives me what I want. Too bad VZW does not do the same thing. When the Touch Pro comes out I might switch to sprint again, but time will tell.

On the GPS NOTE:
I do think a GPS unit works better then the GPS in the 6800. I don't own one mind you, but a friend of mine does and it always locks faster (VZW users here) and has more sats listed. But to save me the money of buying one more toy (wife will kill me) and the number of times I really need one, the 6800 is great with garmin software.

[symyn]

This bar conversation reminds me of when the 3G iPhone came out, it had less bars then its predecessor, but in all reality it had the exact same signal strength. Apple released a patch to fix this, but by all accounts it was just for show and didn't really change anything with the firmware...