Palm Treo Pro v.s. Kaiser

[lewcamino]

I have both of them here until I am able to sell the Tilt.

I am willing to take requests on features anyone wants to compare between the two and do some controlled tests.

[mrphatpat]

1What are you wanting for the tilt?

2our accountant just got his PRO and he is in love with it. but he didnt let me play with it. is it fast and clean????

I really like the flush screen.

[ChumleyEX]

That looks stupid in comparison to the tilt.

Does it even have a touch screen? Smartphone = no touch screen right..


either way this phone fails when pitted against the might TILT..


Puny little tug boat VS The deadly bird of prey

http://www.boygeniusreport.com/wp-content/uploads/bgr-treo-850.jpg


http://pocketables.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/2007/12/04/att_tilt_backstory.jpg




oh and another thing.. If you do a google image search for the word tilt, you get a naked girl I think.

[lewcamino]

1What are you wanting for the tilt?

2our accountant just got his PRO and he is in love with it. but he didnt let me play with it. is it fast and clean????

I really like the flush screen.

1. $300

2. It is fast and clean. The shit just works!

3. The flush screen is a little strange at first but I like it.

[lewcamino]

That looks stupid in comparison to the tilt.

Does it even have a touch screen? Smartphone = no touch screen right..


Wrong. It is a touch screen. Windows Mobile 6.1 Pro



either way this phone fails when pitted against the might TILT..


Puny little tug boat VS The deadly bird of prey


Um... wrong. This device is faster than my Tilt when it comes to usability or "Perceived Speed"

I can do more specific tests if requested.


oh and another thing.. If you do a google image search for the word tilt, you get a naked girl I think.

Meh. You can't use Googles flaws to say the Tilt is better.

[slovoflud]

I'd recommend you to keep your Tilt and see how Android suits you..

French street artist FTW!

[lewcamino]

I'd recommend you to keep your Tilt and see how Android suits you..

French street artist FTW!

Dirty!

The whole point for me IS windows mobile. Since I have the Tilt laying around though, I may give android a roll.

[ChumleyEX]

Wrong. It is a touch screen. Windows Mobile 6.1 Pro




Um... wrong. This device is faster than my Tilt when it comes to usability or "Perceived Speed"

I can do more specific tests if requested.



Meh. You can't use Googles flaws to say the Tilt is better.



The tilt is still way better. Now go to treocentral or something.

[lewcamino]

The tilt is still way better. Now go to treocentral or something.

Keep telling yourself that.

Maybe it works for you because you DON'T use;

1. Camera
2. Video
3. Keyboard
4. Internet

I suppose if I didn't use that stuff I too could just keep the Tilt :p



That said. I don't want to turn this into a Kaiser bashing thread (there are enough already)
I want real comparisons that people are interested in when shopping for a device to replace their current device.

[ChumleyEX]

To be honest you had no reason to start this thread...




I use the keyboard, internet and camera all the time, (well camera sometimes).. The kayboard is way better than the one from the treo I have before, the intenet works swimmingly on the tilt, and the camera is on a cell phone.


--edited--


stupid treo pro

Platform Microsoft® Windows Mobile® 6.1 Professional Edition
Processor Qualcomm® MSM7201 400MHz
Display 320x320 transflective color TFT flush touchscreen
Radio HSDPA/UMTS/EDGE/GPRS/GSM radio
Tri-band UMTS – 850MHz, 1900MHz, 2100MHz
Quad-band GSM – 850MHz, 900MHz, 1800MHz, 1900MHz
Wi-Fi 802.11b/g with WPA, WPA2, and 801.1x authentication
GPS Built-in GPS
Wireless Technology Bluetooth® 2.0 + Enhanced Data Rate; Infrared (IR)
Memory 256MB (100MB user available), 128MB RAM
Camera 2.0 megapixels with up to 8x digital zoom and video capture
Dimensions Length: 4.49", Width: 2.36", Depth: 0.53", Weight: 4.69 oz (omg 2.36" wide??? Finger cramp anyone)

THE TYTN 2/ Tilt

Processor Qualcomm® MSM7200TM, 400MHz (we all know it has the 7201 also)
Operating System Windows Mobile® 6 Professional
Memory ROM: 256MB
RAM: 128MB SDRAM
Dimension 112 mm (L) X 59 mm (W) X 19 mm (T) (holy crap that means the keyboard is like 4 inches wide, not a crapy 2.36)
Weight 190g with battery
Display 2.8 inch, 240 X 320 QVGA TFT-LCD display with adjustable angle and backlight
Network HSDPA/UMTS: Tri-band 850, 1900, 2100 MHz
HSDPA: Up to 384kbps for upload and 3.6Mbps for download
UMTS: Up to 384kbps for upload and download
GSM/GPRS/EDGE: Quad-band 850, 900, 1800, 1900 MHz (The device will operate on frequencies available from the cellular network)
Device Control Finger scrolling and panning
5-Way navigation control
Keyboard Slide-out QWERTY keyboard
Connectivity Bluetooth® 2.0
Wi-Fi®: IEEE 802.11 b/g
HTC ExtUSB™ (11-pin mini-USB and audio jack in one)
GPS antenna connector
Camera Main camera: 3 megapixel CMOS color camera with auto focus
Second camera: VGA CMOS color camera

If you take the back cover off, the camera is actually very nice, oh wait, is that 1 more megapixel then the treo.. aaaahh

So we are really looking at the treo having a square screen, a smaller keyboard, lower quality camera (spec wise) and everything else is the same.. I really don't know what your singing about buster..

http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2007/05/i-shall-not-tolerate-such-rubbish-good-day-sir.jpg

http://www.highhatstudios.com/imgs_ext/lolrats/macros/isaidgooddaysir.jpg

[lewcamino]

Thats enough Chumley. Now leave this thread for people who are considering switching from the Tilt to the Treo Pro.

[ChumleyEX]

Wouldn't that be a thread for another place?

[lewcamino]

Wouldn't that be a thread for another place?

No. This is the appropriate forum as the thread is directed toward current Kaiser owners.

Please stay on topic. Anything you would like to see tested between the two Chumley?

[NuShrike]

That looks stupid in comparison to the tilt.

Does it even have a touch screen? Smartphone = no touch screen right..
Uh, you FAIL if you can't even remember that Palm started the PDA w touchscreen revolution (not counting the Newton) with their formerly ubiquitious PalmPilots and such, and they started the touch-screen smartphone revolution (with Handspring) with the Treos.

Palm FAILs because they've made poor choices for the last 5 years based on MBAs instead of Engineering degrees.

The fact also that Palm always had instant screen rotation, and never a problem with their screen drivers unlike HTC's software attempts (albeit Palm uses HTC hardware and the Treo Pro is HTC made) makes it a really good WM6.1 Pro alternative to HTC's crippled, flashy, current releases.

Treo Pro even has better IE scrolling which means 2D acceleration. Some people enjoy being able to text with one-hand that's not a Blackberry, and it's a world 3G phone (which most other phones aren't).

[ChumleyEX]

Uh, you FAIL if you can't even remember that Palm started the PDA w touchscreen revolution (not counting the Newton) with their formerly ubiquitious PalmPilots and such, and they started the touch-screen smartphone revolution (with Handspring) with the Treos.

Palm FAILs because they've made poor choices for the last 5 years based on MBAs instead of Engineering degrees.

The fact also that Palm always had instant screen rotation, and never a problem with their screen drivers unlike HTC's software attempts (albeit Palm uses HTC hardware and the Treo Pro is HTC made) makes it a really good WM6.1 Pro alternative to HTC's crippled, flashy, current releases.

Treo Pro even has better IE scrolling which means 2D acceleration. Some people enjoy being able to text with one-hand that's not a Blackberry, and it's a world 3G phone (which most other phones aren't).

Omg I might have been in middle school when this happened. And it was a question, I was under the assumtion that if it was called a smartphone it ment non touch screen.

[lewcamino]

Omg I might have been in middle school when this happened. And it was a question, I was under the assumtion that if it was called a smartphone it ment non touch screen.

That assumsion is incorrect (in context and spelling.) That is the old definition. Clearly you don't like change because your stuck on your Kaiser as the best device ever.

However, if you were paying any attention to the windows mobile world you would have noticed that with the introduction of windows mobile 6.1 the definition of touch/non touch was denoted by 6.1 professional/6.1 standard.

Now please stop getting off topic. If you can't help it then do not post in this thread again.

[dtag]

Just passing through gentlemen...I just wanna ask lewcamino a few comparison questions....

1. How is the overall responsiveness on the touchscreen of the treo pro?

2. If you have TCPMP (latest build), how does the treo pro score on it's benchmark?

Thanks!!!

[vw_krazy]

I was also thinking of switching my tilt for a treo pro too. That said,

1. Does browsing on a smaller screen bother you, I'd think on a screen substantially smaller it would get annoying?

2. I actually like the keyboard on the tilt, but I want a keyboard I could comfortably type using one hand, is this possible on the treo pro?

3. Responsiveness of touch screen, I hate the touchscreen on my tilt.

4. Have you tried the gps? I feel like its the strongest point of my tilt.

5. Would love to see a camera comparison.

I know some of these concerns are primarily objective, but i'd still like to get your opinion.

[DJ_Bizarro]

why compare the two, other than both being touchscreens with WM 6.x and querty pads, they are not in the same league... why downgrade your screensize, keyboard size and camera?

[Photopuppet]

The phone I have is an HTC Kaiser.

I think the Treo Pro has two main advantages:

1) Transreflective display. I think HTC really screwed up putting a normal TFT in most of the Kaisers, display performance is poor outdoors. :(

2) More resolution - the square display is pretty nice.

3) More stylish & less bulky. I think Palm know about good aesthetics.

It's not enough for me to switch from the Kaiser I have now, but I think I'd probably have gone for the Treo Pro just for the outdoor-suited transreflective display (not bothered about the camera, I have a proper one! :D)

[lewcamino]

Just passing through gentlemen...I just wanna ask lewcamino a few comparison questions....

1. How is the overall responsiveness on the touchscreen of the treo pro?


Much more responsive than the Kaiser.


2. If you have TCPMP (latest build), how does the treo pro score on it's benchmark?

Thanks!!!


TCPMP Version 0.72RC1 Benchmark Results

Average Speed 33.52%
Video Frames 1805
Audio Samples 2918214
Amount of Data 12200 KB

Bench. Time 2:59.684
Bench. Frame Rate 10.05
Bench. Sample Rate 16240
Bench. Data Rate 556 kbit/s

Original Time 1:00.226
Original Frame Rate 29.97
Original Sample Rate 48000
Original Data Rate 1.7 Mbit/s

URL \My Documents\My Videos\Gears Of War - Mad World Commercial.mpg
Size 12492804
Platform PocketPC
OS Version 5.02
OEM Info Palm Treo 850
Clock speed 385 Mhz
Video output DirectDraw 320x320 16bits Lookup
Video zoom 480x272 -> 320x181
Audio output Wave Output 48000Hz 16Bits 2Ch.


On a side note, I copied the mpg over WiFi to main memory (not SD) 12 megs in 45 seconds with the Treo Pro. The Kaiser took over 3 minutes to copy the same file.

[lewcamino]

I was also thinking of switching my tilt for a treo pro too. That said,

1. Does browsing on a smaller screen bother you, I'd think on a screen substantially smaller it would get annoying?


The screen is a little smaller but it has a better resolution, 320x320. I like it better because it renders pages way faster than the Kaiser and does not become unresponsive while loading pages as my Kaiser sometimes does.


2. I actually like the keyboard on the tilt, but I want a keyboard I could comfortably type using one hand, is this possible on the treo pro?


I typed this entire response on the treo in less than 30 seconds.


3. Responsiveness of touch screen, I hate the touchscreen on my tilt.


It is solid.


4. Have you tried the gps? I feel like its the strongest point of my tilt.


The cold start is always less than 20 seconds. The GPS is solid as well.


5. Would love to see a camera comparison.


I have attached pictures taken with each. The camera on the Kaiser is laggy, does not respond well to movement, and slow to take the picture. The treo does not lag, is okay with movement (no blur), and very quick to take the picture.

I have a video from behind both devices (at the same time) while doing this test. It is 18 Meg MOV.

You can really see the long delay in the last picture. The Treo is ready to take another picture and the Kaiser is still capturing...

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=1KGGEQOO

First two pictures are Kaiser, the other two are Treo. I will see if I can get some identical "real life scenario" pictures. This will of course require me to carry my tilt around with me :(

[lewcamino]

why compare the two, other than both being touchscreens with WM 6.x and querty pads, they are not in the same league... why downgrade your screensize, keyboard size and camera?

I would agree that we are not comparing apples to apples but I do think that different people have different priorities when it comes to their device.

I am just trying to compare the two for people specific interests. ex. camera

The camera on the Kaiser is a higher resolution but very laggy and slow where as the Treo is smaller res but MUCH faster. The plastic cover on the Kaiser can distort images where as the treo has a glass cover. Things like that.


I am not trying to say what device is better but simply posting the results and letting everyone decide for themselves.

[dtag]

Thanks a lot lewcamino...Looks like Palm is bringing sexy back...Too bad HTC is able to do a better job when the phone is not branded as theirs...:(

[vw_krazy]

The screen is a little smaller but it has a better resolution, 320x320. I like it better because it renders pages way faster than the Kaiser and does not become unresponsive while loading pages as my Kaiser sometimes does.



I typed this entire response on the treo in less than 30 seconds.



It is solid.



The cold start is always less than 20 seconds. The GPS is solid as well.



I have attached pictures taken with each. The camera on the Kaiser is laggy, does not respond well to movement, and slow to take the picture. The treo does not lag, is okay with movement (no blur), and very quick to take the picture.

I have a video from behind both devices (at the same time) while doing this test. It is 18 Meg MOV.

You can really see the long delay in the last picture. The Treo is ready to take another picture and the Kaiser is still capturing...

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=1KGGEQOO

First two pictures are Kaiser, the other two are Treo. I will see if I can get some identical "real life scenario" pictures. This will of course require me to carry my tilt around with me :(


Thanks! Looks like i'll be getting a treo pro... id get a Touch HD but I HATE touch screen keyboards. Anyways thanks again lewcamino!

[NuShrike]

Hate to buy Palm again, but sounds like real transflective screen, Palm finally bringing PalmOS 320px width to WinMob, no driver issues, sexy design, and lots less $$$ wins over any HTC branded.

[lewcamino]

Happy to help.

[webedc]

Can you try testing GPS with commercial GPS software such as Garmin Mobile XT?

Also, how's the battery life? (I know it's a broad question).

[dzelaya18]

It definitely seems like Palm has done a much better job with the Pro than the previous WM Palm devices. My brother in law has a Treo 700W and it's pretty much bad news all around...I use his phone and I understand why people hate WM phones.

This new Pro looks worth a try out.

[ndcart]

You know, I have both the Tilt and the Treo 750. I'm not sure why everyone is down on the Treo. I happen to think it works better than my Tilt, just doesn't have the GPS. With that said, if the Pro is an improvment over the 750, I may just have to entertain the idea of the Pro.

[lewcamino]

Can you try testing GPS with commercial GPS software such as Garmin Mobile XT?

Also, how's the battery life? (I know it's a broad question).

I actually do use Garmin with the Treo Pro and it works very well. Faster drawing than the Tilt and the keys on the front make it more convenient to use. There is no waiting for the screen to rotate.

The battery is about the same as the Tilt from what I can tell. I am playing with the Pro all the time so it kinda skews the result.

[CrozB]

Just ordered my Treo Pro... Anyone want to buy a tilt? ;-)

As for GPS, has anyone tested iGO 2006 or iGo 8 on the TREO Pro?

-D

[lewcamino]

I had a rather typical day with the Treo Pro today. normal e-mail, txt, and phone usage (for me). I also spent about a half hour watching videos on myspace via skyfire.

I took it off the charger 15 hours ago. I am now at 47% battery. It is better than the Tilt and to be perfectly honest I never had a problem with the Tilts battery life.

[shawndh]

I have both of them here until I am able to sell the Tilt.

I am willing to take requests on features anyone wants to compare between the two and do some controlled tests.

Wow. Seems like this thread has started a lot of controversy but I'm glad that you started it. I'm on the fence btwn the two devices because I can't find exactly what I want in the new devices coming out. I hate all the iphone all touch wannabe phones, I don't usually like slide out keyboards nor, have I cared for the small square screen cramped on a fully exposed querty phone. But this phone strikes me as different. I remember looking at this on coolsmartphone when it came out and I thought it was a great phone from what I saw. But I just want to verify a few things:

1) Is the screen actually bigger than the Tilts? I'm assuming it is since the resolution is 320X320 as opposed to 320X280 and I've seen specs of 3.2in

2) How is the keyboard compared to the Tilts? Typing one handing seems like it would be easier.

3) Does Voice Command work will over BT? (my brother had BT stack problems with 2 different units with his jawbone) I use a BT Parrot in my car and this would be a major deal breaker for me.

4) How is it to carry around compared to the Tilt?

5) Does it have any type of finger scrolling? I guess I could add this with a custom ROM or SPB Mobile Shell.

I'm considering this phone because it seems the screen is as wide as a regurlar 2.8 screen in landscape mode. I do a lot of Excel editing on my device and if I didn't have to go to landscape, that would be great.

This phone is reall a real sleeper to me. I hope they open a developement forum for it.

Oh yea. Have you had any problems with programs working with the 320X320 resolution?

[lewcamino]

Wow. Seems like this thread has started a lot of controversy but I'm glad that you started it. I'm on the fence btwn the two devices because I can't find exactly what I want in the new devices coming out. I hate all the iphone all touch wannabe phones, I don't usually like slide out keyboards nor, have I cared for the small square screen cramped on a fully exposed querty phone. But this phone strikes me as different. I remember looking at this on coolsmartphone when it came out and I thought it was a great phone from what I saw. But I just want to verify a few things:

1) Is the screen actually bigger than the Tilts? I'm assuming it is since the resolution is 320X320 as opposed to 320X280 and I've seen specs of 3.2in


The video in the previous "camera" post shows the screens pretty much next to each other. The screens are apples and oranges since one is 320x320 (square QVGA) and the other is 320x240 (standard QVGA). However, the Tilt is bigger in terms of physical size. The Treo is bigger in terms of screen real estate. The bottom line is there is nothing lost in my opinion. Hope that helps.


2) How is the keyboard compared to the Tilts? Typing one handing seems like it would be easier.


I already answered this as well. It is not just easier, it is easy. See the previous post for my example. I would consider this next to impossible on the Tilt.


3) Does Voice Command work will over BT? (my brother had BT stack problems with 2 different units with his jawbone) I use a BT Parrot in my car and this would be a major deal breaker for me.


Good questions. Testing...

1. Jabra BT620s with JUST hands free enabled: Activate and use Voice Command with single press works as well as announcements.

2. Motorola H700: Activate and use Voice Command with single press works as well as announcements.

Works like it is suppose to. Nice.


4) How is it to carry around compared to the Tilt?


How is what to carry around? :p Oops, I forgot that I had the Treo in my pocket ;) Seriously, SO much nicer than the "bricks" (Blue Angel, Wizard, Hermes, Kaiser)


5) Does it have any type of finger scrolling? I guess I could add this with a custom ROM or SPB Mobile Shell.


Not installed by default. Mobile shell has some of that and it does work on this device.


I'm considering this phone because it seems the screen is as wide as a regurlar 2.8 screen in landscape mode. I do a lot of Excel editing on my device and if I didn't have to go to landscape, that would be great.


Technically you have more space.


This phone is reall a real sleeper to me. I hope they open a developement forum for it.

Oh yea. Have you had any problems with programs working with the 320X320 resolution?

I have had a few not work. So far most have been resolved by getting the newer version. I am however stuck without my beloved Worm World Party... :(

[lewcamino]

As a bonus for the Bluetooth question I also tested Bluetooth Sterio with the BT620s. It also works as expected. It is clearer and can get loader than my Tilt. It is "true" sterio not joint (listened to left/right MP3 test file). The device can be turned off and even locked if you wish while the music keeps playing and you can still controll it with the headset.

So it pretty much works like it is suppose to :D Not really use to that from HTC :p

[nucentury08]

I have both of them here until I am able to sell the Tilt.

I am willing to take requests on features anyone wants to compare between the two and do some controlled tests.
Dude I have a TyTN 2 and it Kills The Treo pro I have Dual Cameras And a Powerfull PPC:cool:

[nucentury08]

I love My HTC TyTN 2 Not Tilt By the way...lol I love My Dual Cameras No Bloatware 3mp camera Front camera is Vga cmos And yes my Tytn 2 is Moded up a Storm A few pics of my Tytn 2 Home screen Below.........

http://i299.photobucket.com/albums/mm300/nucentury08/Screen017.png


http://i299.photobucket.com/albums/mm300/nucentury08/Screen009.png

http://i299.photobucket.com/albums/mm300/nucentury08/Screen001.png
:cool:

[lewcamino]

Dude I have a TyTN 2 and it Kills The Treo pro I have Dual Cameras And a Powerfull PPC:cool:

Dude! Dual cameras are useless in the states. Define "powerfull".

As previously stated, I am NOT trying to tell everyone the Treo Pro is the BEST DEVICE EVER. I am just comparing features that are important for individuals when it comes to choosing a device.

Is the something specific you would like me to test on the Treo Pro against a Tilt? I also have access to a "real" Kaiser (dual camera) if you prefer?

[lewcamino]

I love My HTC TyTN 2 Not Tilt By the way...lol I love My Dual Cameras No Bloatware 3mp camera Front camera is Vga cmos And yes my Tytn 2 is Moded up a Storm A few pics of my Tytn 2 Home screen Below.........


I bet that screen rotation time is great with all that running huh? When you open the keyboard, do you go get a cup of coffee? :D

Treo Pro (Drivers... INCLUDED)

Now lets stay ON TOPIC. Something for me to test? 3G race? WiFi race? Typing race? ANYTHING that can be scientifically compared with little or no variables other than the devices themselves.

[nucentury08]

Let me School you Go To www.ivisit.com And you tell me how useless Dual cameras are in the us Buddy Also my Tytn 2 Laps The Treo pro As I am a Power user And Also Have A Treo 800 And it cant Compare to The power of my Moded And Hacked TyTN 2:eek:

[nucentury08]

I bet that screen rotation time is great with all that running huh? When you open the keyboard, do you go get a cup of coffee? :D

Treo Pro (Drivers... INCLUDED)

Now lets stay ON TOPIC. Something for me to test? 3G race? WiFi race? Typing race? ANYTHING that can be scientifically compared with little or no variables other than the devices themselves.
No my 12 years of coding and working for Htc has tought me how to Build a ppc That Runs And that Desktop picture Runs as Fast as Ever in Both Modes I have a Treo 800 And it Sucks in my Eyes its Back in The Box waiting to be Sold .....:mad:

[lewcamino]

Let me School you Go To www.ivisit.com And you tell me how useless Dual cameras are in the us Buddy Also my Tytn 2 Laps The Treo pro As I am a Power user And Also Have A Treo 800 And it cant Compare to The power of my Moded And Hacked TyTN 2:eek:

That looks like a cool app. Wish it was out when I had my Hermes (Dual Cam)

I am sure that having been a member since January with 16 posts you are a pro.
I am also sure you know everything and whatever device you own is always the BEST DEVICE EVER.

I have had my Tilt for almost a year now (several ROMs) and I (like others) are tired of the issues and looking for another device.

I am glad you are happy with your Kaiser.

I assume there is nothing you want to see compared and you will stop posting in here now.

[lewcamino]

No my 12 years of coding and working for Htc has tought me how to Build a ppc That Runs And that Desktop picture Runs as Fast as Ever in Both Modes I have a Treo 800 And it Sucks in my Eyes its Back in The Box waiting to be Sold .....:mad:

Really? Perhaps you should have helped them with the drivers? Power tool, I mean power user.

20 years of code wont fix lacking hardware.

Please post video of your device in use by a power user such as yourself. I (and others) would love to see how well you have it running.

[nucentury08]

This is not a Debate Im Here in Fun I Mean AS I Also own a Touch Diamond Im Just Saying I Don't have Any prolems With my TyTN 2 I have All the Video Drivers I need Everything Works And My Treo 800 I Dont Use Becuase For one Nothing Works With it Becuase of the Screen Display And its lack of power it Has Some kool Features But not Enough To make it a power ppc And if you Are a power user like me you can See That That's All Im Saying And I have over 15 Videos on Qik And Youtube Also im Admin At Smartphone Junkies So I do This Everyday And Know My Stuff..Man

[lewcamino]

This is not a Debate Im Here in Fun I Mean AS I Also own a Touch Diamond Im Just Saying I Don't have Any prolems With my TyTN 2 I have All the Video Drivers I need Everything Works And My Treo 800 I Dont Use Becuase For one Nothing Works With it Becuase of the Screen Display And its lack of power it Has Some kool Features But not Enough To make it a power ppc And if you Are a power user like me you can See That That's All Im Saying And I have over 15 Videos on Qik And Youtube Also im Admin At Smartphone Junkies So I do This Everyday And Know My Stuff..Man

I searched for "nucentury08" on the two sites you mentioned with no results. I am only interested in these videos if they show your Kaiser working as great as you say it is.

Please post links to these videos as soon as possible. It will help users who may want to keep their Kaiser and get it running as good as yours.

[nucentury08]

Hey I Will Theres So much people Dont know That there ppc can Do not just a Tilt are Treo 800 I mean I control my Tytn 2 with a Mini Bluetooth Mouse And Keyboard Some people Know Some people Don't know you can use a Mouse I Have over 40 gigs of ppc Software to Share With you Guys Check out VirtuMouse it puts a Real Mouse pointer on your Screen you control it With your Treo D-pad you might Like It Man ...lol I have Lots more to Share with people Thats how my Tytn 2 runs So Well Becuase of all the programing I do to it and All my ppc For That Matter it's all How you Program And What you know...As you will Find out the longer you Stick with Windows mobile..:cool:

[NuShrike]

Hey I Will Theres So much people Dont know That there ppc can Do not just a Tilt are Treo 800 I mean I control my Tytn 2 with a Mini Bluetooth[blahblahblah]Quit trolling. Ever heard of periods? Hate to see your "code" if it's anything similiar to your posts.

May be you should actually do a Treo 850 comparison instead of continually referring to off-topic, older devices.

[Photopuppet]

The biggest turn off for me with the Kaiser is the lack of transflective screen, which severely hampers the usability in sunlight.

If it had that, it'd be pretty fine for me then. :)

[nucentury08]

Like I Said Before I have a Treo 800 And it's not a power ppc And That's That I would never use it Again Ever.:mad:

[lewcamino]

Like I Said Before I have a Treo 800 And it's not a power ppc And That's That I would never use it Again Ever.:mad:

800w is not a Palm Treo Pro. Please stay on topic.

I have an 800w as well. It is my work phone. I like the 800w as well but for different reasons.

Now, on with the show.

I was very pleasantly surprised to see Voice Command working properly on the Treo Pro. I have NEVER had all features working on any of my previous devices or any of the versions of Voice Command.

[bittermormon]

Like I Said Before I have a Treo 800 And it's not a power ppc And That's That I would never use it Again Ever.:mad:

Yeah I have a Palm Vx...and my tilt is way better, so the treo pro sux!! Fanbois FTW!!

[lewcamino]

Yeah I have a Palm Vx...and my tilt is way better, so the treo pro sux!! Fanbois FTW!!

Nice! LOL. :)

[eatonjb]

I think the Tilt and the Palm are almost the same asfar as the internal hardware features

but the palm is nice.. it's thin, and the KB is easy enough for 1 hand operation..

but the larger screen the the tilt is really useful sometimes.. but the 320x320 screen is epic.

so i am tied, i like em both.. but the size is the winning factor.. it also seems a little quicker. and 6.1 built in , makes life easy,. less hacking to be done ;)

[lewcamino]

I think the Tilt and the Palm are almost the same asfar as the internal hardware features

but the palm is nice.. it's thin, and the KB is easy enough for 1 hand operation..

but the larger screen the the tilt is really useful sometimes.. but the 320x320 screen is epic.

so i am tied, i like em both.. but the size is the winning factor.. it also seems a little quicker. and 6.1 built in , makes life easy,. less hacking to be done ;)

I would agree with all of that statement. Some things you cant change with a cooked ROM. (Like the size of the device)

[stevebrooks]

So do I have it right that the Treo Pro Does have the hardware acceleration enabled? The video in TCPMP is choppy or not choppy?

I just ordered one today and I am hoping that the Video playback is ok.

Can any one answer this for me? I am not really sure how to read those benchmarks. I currently have the Vogue and the video sucks even though the chipset and CPU are the same as the Treo Pro.

[lewcamino]

So do I have it right that the Treo Pro Does have the hardware acceleration enabled? The video in TCPMP is choppy or not choppy?

I just ordered one today and I am hoping that the Video playback is ok.

Can any one answer this for me? I am not really sure how to read those benchmarks. I currently have the Vogue and the video sucks even though the chipset and CPU are the same as the Treo Pro.

Video playback is not choppy. I dialed up some video last week on a plane ride. Four hours of working perfectly.

[NuShrike]

Does the Treo Pro have OpenGL-ES support? I like to see some benchmarks from GLBenchmark for comparison. Thanks!

[stevebrooks]

Video playback is not choppy. I dialed up some video last week on a plane ride. Four hours of working perfectly.

Excellent!!!.. Thanks for the reply. What kind of apps are you running that are compatilbe? Sbp Mobile Shell? UL Launcher?.. Better yet.. Do you know if anyone has a working copy of HTC Home in 320x320?

[tweaked]

I find the treo ugly. But I am sure it does what its supposed to. /Shrugs
This thread is odd.

:confused:

[stevebrooks]

I find the treo ugly. But I am sure it does what its supposed to. /Shrugs
This thread is odd.

:confused:

? What ? Amazing how 2 people can look at the same thing and think the exact opposite thing. :rolleyes::confused:

[RubberDucky451]

? What ? Amazing how 2 people can look at the same thing and think the exact opposite thing. :rolleyes::confused:
assuming your talking about this sexy device?

http://www.unwiredview.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/08/palm-treo-pro1.jpg
It honestly looks worlds better then the kaiser.

Ahhh, I'm surprised no one has brought up the iPhone!

http://digitaldaily.allthingsd.com/files/2007/06/iphone_34.jpg

:[ sorry guys....

[bnycastro]

I'm considering moving from the HTC Kaiser to the Treo Pro. Mainly because of the form factor...

To the OP can you test if mapking r12 [it is a gps application] displays correctly on 320x320?

Thanks for starting this thread :)

[LIVEFRMNYC]

I have owned the Kaiser and the Treo 750, along with many other devices. And now own a Treo Pro.

I can say if your a current Kaiser or Treo 750 owner, the Treo Pro is an upgrade that is worth it.

[P1Tater]

Well it's obvious that this thread has turned to rubbish. Thread closed.