Universal and T-Mobile (US) 3G Network....

[ATLDON]

Are our Universals compatible with the new T-Mobile 3G network in the US? Ive searched the internet, some say no, others say yes....

[orb3000]

Are our Universals compatible with the new T-Mobile 3G network in the US? Ive searched the internet, some say no, others say yes....

Well I don´t know in USA, but in México with my Uni I can´t connect to any 3G network as Universal has only for Europe and Asia networks, I think is the same for your country, shame...

[ATLDON]

Well I don´t know in USA, but in México with my Uni I can´t connect to any 3G network as Universal has only for Europe and Asia networks, I think is the same for your country, shame...

Interesting.......no tweaks?

Just have to see....3G won't be available in my area until the beginning of the year anyway

[ATLDON]

UPDATE:

T-Mobile 3G works on my I-Mate Jasjar in the Jacksonville Florida area. The only adjustments I had to make was a minor MMS settings change.

[GRiM_BoB]

Anybody in the northwest US able to connect to T-Mobile's 3G network?

I try to force my band to WCDMA and specify the UMTS freq as 2100, but then it simply doesn't seem to want to register with the network. When I set it to auto, it appears to simply be using GPRS.

Somewhat related, anybody know of a way to force displaying an icon indicating EDGE vs default GPRS connection?

Edit: I just recalled that there's no EDGE support on the Uni, unless I'm mistaken, so disregard that...

Edit (again): So if I'm understanding this properly... The Uni only operates on UMTS/WCDMA/whatever 2100, not 1700, which T-Mobile US uses. It was designed for uk/other 3G usage, not future US 3G usage. So we've got 3G support outside the US, but as far as I can tell - we shouldn't be able to use 3G in the US, at least on T-Mobile's network, since they're using 1700 mhz band/AWS range, and the 2100 mhz band used elsewhere is not compatible. I THINK. I'm honestly just learning about this sort of thing now as I go, despite having had my Uni for a while and having known about T-Mobile rolling out 3G coverage for some time.

UPDATE:

T-Mobile 3G works on my I-Mate Jasjar in the Jacksonville Florida area. The only adjustments I had to make was a minor MMS settings change.

Could you give some more details on this?

Please correct me if I am wrong, but I think the deal is basically, as postulated by orb3000 - no 3G for US Universal users.

[GRiM_BoB]

I was told by a T-Mobile rep on the phone that if I can connect to 1700 or 2100 mhz band, I should be able to use 3G... So I wonder... Huh.

[ATLDON]

I was told by a T-Mobile rep on the phone that if I can connect to 1700 or 2100 mhz band, I should be able to use 3G... So I wonder... Huh.


Ive heard not all areas have 3G on both bands. Probably your area doesnt have 2100 mhz yet.

[GRiM_BoB]

Ive heard not all areas have 3G on both bands. Probably your area doesnt have 2100 mhz yet.

So can you confirm if T-Mobile uses 1700/2100 as:
1700 down/2100 up
1700 voice/2100 data
1700 OR 2100?

Because I've seen a lot of different things saying different things. =/

Incidentally, please go to http://www.dslreports.com/mspeed and tell me what speed you get on your phone. :)

[ATLDON]

So can you confirm if T-Mobile uses 1700/2100 as:
1700 down/2100 up
1700 voice/2100 data
1700 OR 2100?

Because I've seen a lot of different things saying different things. =/

Incidentally, please go to http://www.dslreports.com/mspeed and tell me what speed you get on your phone. :)

T-Mobile uses 1700 AND 2100 mhz bands....sent and recieved data ARE NOT SPLIT between the two bands.....voice and data ARE NOT split between bands.

Ill check my speed tonight when I get off work....

I can see the difference between 3G and GPRS though. I have a HTC Wizard that supports EDGE, and my Imate JasJar is only slightly faster than my Wizard. My girlfriend has the new Mobile G1 and her 3G speed run rings around my Imate JasJar internet speed this is probably so because the age of our Universals.

[Park]

T-Mobile uses 1700 AND 2100 mhz bands....sent and recieved data ARE NOT SPLIT between the two bands.....voice and data ARE NOT split between bands.

Ill check my speed tonight when I get off work....

I can see the difference between 3G and GPRS though. I have a HTC Wizard that supports EDGE, and my Imate JasJar is only slightly faster than my Wizard. My girlfriend has the new Mobile G1 and her 3G speed run rings around my Imate JasJar internet speed this is probably so because the age of our Universals.

I have a Qtek 9000 and am waiting for the 3G coverage for my area with T-Mobile which should be in the spring of 2009. Over the past few years I have done a great deal of research on this and have also spoken to very knowledgeable Tier 3 T-Mobile staff that are familiar with this and this is what they told me. The universal will work on the 2100 frequency with T-Mobile. T-Mobile will be using the 1700 & 2100 frequency bands in the U.S. for 3G frequency. I know when I visited my relatives in Germany in 2004 Year in the summer as I can speak, read & write German as good as English even though I am first generation in the U.S. which I visit my relatives every 5 years and due to visit them in the summer of 2009 year. The 2100 band was already released in the spring of 2004 year in Germany. But since T-Mobile has only certain cities available that have the 3G coverage in the U.S. which is spotty at this time. Since the T-Mobile G1 was deployed in October this should make the rollout faster in the U.S. for the 1700 & 2100 mhz frequency. Can you please confirm on your I-mate Jasjar on what your 3G speeds are? They should be at least 384 k.p.s. It is also nice to know that the send & receive data, voice & data are not slit between the two bands of 1700 & 2100 mhz frequency.

[ATLDON]

MobileSpeedTest.com

533.35 KB/sec

[GRiM_BoB]

Park and ATLDON, thanks for all the info - this is all very good to know, and great news for US Universal users. I'll just have to wait for 3G 2100 to be active here in Portland, then. :D

Oh, and ATLDON - one more question. Under your Phone Settings, where you can select GSM and UMTS band and Network Type, did you set it to Auto, or force UMTs, or did you even change anything?

[ATLDON]

Park and ATLDON, thanks for all the info - this is all very good to know, and great news for US Universal users. I'll just have to wait for 3G 2100 to be active here in Portland, then. :D

Oh, and ATLDON - one more question. Under your Phone Settings, where you can select GSM and UMTS band and Network Type, did you set it to Auto, or force UMTs, or did you even change anything?

I have it set on Auto.

[mr4r4n]

this is interesting stuff, i just got my jasjar as an anniversary gift from my girlfriend and i love the device however anyone that has used HSDPA which i had on my kaiser before i sold it 500-900k going to GPRS has been something that would make one want to cry, and its good news to hear this because i need some form of high speed again, and i'd like to confirm this working because i am going to get a t-mobile prepaid or flex paid sim ASAP to get this going, i am in new york anyone from around here to confirm 2100Mhz?

also anyone able to do a screenshot ?

[GRiM_BoB]

Funny, I was just trying to get an answer as to whether or not there was a delay in deploying 3G over 1700 vs 2100 mhz to a given area, and I ended up being told "definitively" that unless my handset is able to connect to both freqs, I would be unable to utilize 3G access. CONFUSION. I think there are some disconnects between staff at the T-Mobile customer support, and I haven't really gotten much further than what I would imagine to be tier-two tech support.

I trust in ATLDON's success story, so... Maybe I'll just have to wait and see.

Do you get a 3G indicator somewhere in the taskbar or system tray when you're connected? And what was the MMS setting you had to change? What server are you using for net access? Do you have the $6/mo T-MobileWeb access or one of the other plans?

Sorry for all the questions, just very curious and hopeful that I would soon be able to really use my Uni.

[ATLDON]

Funny, I was just trying to get an answer as to whether or not there was a delay in deploying 3G over 1700 vs 2100 mhz to a given area, and I ended up being told "definitively" that unless my handset is able to connect to both freqs, I would be unable to utilize 3G access. CONFUSION. I think there are some disconnects between staff at the T-Mobile customer support, and I haven't really gotten much further than what I would imagine to be tier-two tech support.

I trust in ATLDON's success story, so... Maybe I'll just have to wait and see.

Do you get a 3G indicator somewhere in the taskbar or system tray when you're connected? And what was the MMS setting you had to change? What server are you using for net access? Do you have the $6/mo T-MobileWeb access or one of the other plans?

Sorry for all the questions, just very curious and hopeful that I would soon be able to really use my Uni.

The 3G indicators don't work on the 6.1 Roms I use. I havent tried any of the WM 5 roms to see if their indicators work

The MMS connect, I had to change it from T-Mobile MMS to the Internet to send/receive multimedia.

I have the 19.99 unlimited data plan.

I use epc.tmobile.com

[GRiM_BoB]

Are there any other US Uni users in different areas who can report 3G connectivity?

Thus far I've found my own interactions with T-Mobile tech support to be thoroughly useless in getting any sort of details on AWS/3G/2100mhz deployment ;) (maybe I'm just not talking to the right people?)

[GRiM_BoB]

So, a couple weeks later (and still impatient :p) - anyone else in the US with a Universal able to access T-Mobile's 3G network?

[Confucious]

MobileSpeedTest.com

533.35 KB/sec

Interesting. 3G has a maximum of 384Kbs to get faster you need HSDPA which AFAIK the Uni does not have...

[mr4r4n]

i would like to know as well i am going to be off of ATT by the 10th of January and i am in nyc i would really like to know so i can make the switch ASAP

[Confucious]

In the US T-Mob use 1700Mhz not 2100Mhz.
I believe they did some testing on 2100Mhz in some areas (possibly using someone else's network) whih could explain how some people had access.
The speed of 500k + that ATLDON got is most likely explained by inacuracies on mobilespeedtest.com - it shows me getting speeds of 3000+ whereas Dslreports.ork/mspeed shows 900-1200kbs for me.

I would doubt if you can use the Universal on 3G on T-Mobile in the US.

[mr4r4n]

well so far i can unfortunatly confirm that, i am in nyc and even thought their site
http://support.t-mobile.com/knowbase/root/public/tm23715.htm#top

(taken from their 3g FAQ)
What frequency does your 3G network support?

Our 3G network supports both the 1700MHz and 2100MHz frequencies.
TOP

Can I use T-Mobile 3G devices on another carrier’s 3G networks?

You will not be able to roam with your T-Mobile 3G device on another carrier's 3G network. T-Mobile devices use the 1700Mhz/2100Mhz frequency band (for 3G) and it is specific to T-Mobile. You can however roam on another carrier's 1900Mhz frequency band using GSM. Likewise, another carrier’s 3G devices will not be able to roam on our 3G network.

as i am in nyc and still trying to get it to work with 3g

[baymon]

I've just tried out a prepaid SIM card on my uni, no 3G for me here in College Station TX

[mr4r4n]

i wish i did that got a flex pay monthly, had to do it really cuz att prepaid cut their unlimited internet packages cuz my uni has been soley data and messaging but now with this flex pay plan i get 300 anytime and free weekends so i guess when my verizon phone batt is dead now i have a backup

[KnightmareCS]

bump

how's this working out so far? success? failure? anyone in nyc get it to work?
i don't have my phone at the moment, being returned from repair, so i can't test it.

[boxchevy]

finally found this thread that i saw awhile ago. checking for any updates.

any other success stories? any one care to shed more light on the topic?

any help would be greatly appreciated :)

[Confucious]

It will not work.