In protest

[NanoRuler]

Seeing as the admins here are stubbornly refusing to create a dedicated sub forum for the x7510, I've set up a free forum which may be found here: http://htcathena.freeforums.org

Please note: I don't WANT to be running a seperate board and I'd prefer to have a sub forum here. However, for as long as the admins ignore our requests I'll keep that forum running.

Should a dedicated x7510 sub forum be created here I will close that forum down. Closing down may be deleting it, or if there were many useful posts simply preventing new posts, so that it dies a slower death over time.

This is NOT an attempt at blackmail, but rather me trying to avoid more devices being bricked.

PS: Please excuse the ads on that site - I've gone with the completely free option, so I'm saddled with the ads!

[larsuck]

Seeing as the admins here are stubbornly refusing to create a dedicated sub forum for the x7510, I've set up a free forum which may be found here: http://htcathena.freeforums.org


What reason could the xda admins possibly have for not creating a sub-forum for the 7510? Or even an entirely new forum? Look at the Elf and the Vogue.

Anyone know the admins' reasoning on this?

[sergiopi]

Isn't in my mod powers to create a sub section... I am asking to the admins, again. I hope we will have some answers soon

[NanoRuler]

Isn't in my mod powers to create a sub section... I am asking to the admins, again. I hope we will have some answers soon

Thank you, although I have to say at this stage I'm quite annoyed with the admins, especially seeing as they cannot even be bothered to respond to any request!

[rorydaredkign]

elf and vogue are totally different devices which happen to look the same
one is cdma and one is gsm and they work in totally different ways. the vogue has 400mhz prcessor and the elf 201mhz

also to be perfectly honest, how can people not tell the difference between x7510 and x7500/x7501

you bought a device that cost £700 (according to expansys) so surely you know its model name. and because of the cost, if you see x7500/x7501 unlocker you will be wary of using it, even if you think its a typing error

and on the subject of the elf, the elf has 2 variants elf (64 ram and 128 rom) and elfin (128 ram and 256 rom)
both are different and only the elf has hard spl
flashing one rom for one onto the other will brick it
so the same probs as here
but they deal with it and have stickies saying how to distinguish between them and where to go for hat, and seperate guides for flashing roms onto the elf and elfin etc etc
so maybe thats whats neded here
i think the admins are probably fed up of people requesting fora only to have them empty:gene, pharos, juno, sedna are all pretty empty forums that were massively requested and yet not much comes out of them

and now i just counted the votes in the "we want an x7510 section" thread nd there are 33 in 3 months
yes 33
not exactly a huge number is it

But you may all think im just raining on your parade, but im not, I completely understand why you want a new section, but im just trying to highlight why the admins probably dont want it, there are so many new devices which have massive appeal, compared to a £700 device which is essentially an 18 month old device in new casing.

And so in conclusion, I think a sticky explaining he differences between x7510 and stuff is whats needed. Plus, cmones seemed keen to make (or try and make) you guys a hard spl, so why doesnt someone whose a senior (or old) member contact HER and see what she can come up with. she will probably need rom dumps and stuff, but I'm sure she can do it. after all she and others got custom roms on the shift.

night guys, and I hope it works out for you all, and nobody else bricks their devices...

[NanoRuler]

And so in conclusion, I think a sticky explaining he differences between x7510 and stuff is whats needed. Plus, cmones seemed keen to make (or try and make) you guys a hard spl, so why doesnt someone whose a senior (or old) member contact HER and see what she can come up with. she will probably need rom dumps and stuff, but I'm sure she can do it. after all she and others got custom roms on the shift.


Now THAT was helpful! Why didn't anybody else think about it!

But seriously, CMONEX confirmed she is working on a hard SPL/unlocker and happens to agree with the need for a seperate sub-forum, for a number of valid reasons.

The thing is that a sub-forum will not affect anybody else on XDA-Devs - it won't require more resources, nor more bandwidth. It takes a minute to set up and it may well save several devices.

So please tell me in great detail why there SHOULDN'T be a seperate sub-forum? Why SHOULDN'T things be better organised than the current "pile-everything-into-one-pot" mess? And how exactly will YOU be any worse off should a sub-forum be created?

You will be worse off, won't you? Why else would you be against it?

[will_990]

Why SHOULDN'T things be better organised than the current "pile-everything-into-one-pot" mess?

I agree with you on that, NanoRuler. E.g. without the latest Athena ROM link by sergiopi (thanks for it), I wasn't even able to compare all existing ROMs for the x7500 at a glance, there are too many threads spread over the entire forum.

Regarding the x7510, a new sub forum would possibly give a better overview. It hasn't been of major importance until now, but it will become necessary very fast, once the x7510 can be unlocked...we should get prepared for that moment. ;-)

[NanoRuler]

also to be perfectly honest, how can people not tell the difference between x7510 and x7500/x7501

you bought a device that cost £700 (according to expansys) so surely you know its model name. and because of the cost, if you see x7500/x7501 unlocker you will be wary of using it, even if you think its a typing error

Yes, except there was no indication NOT to run various tools against the x7510.

but they deal with it and have stickies saying how to distinguish between them and where to go for hat, and seperate guides for flashing roms onto the elf and elfin etc etc
so maybe thats whats neded here
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My, what an excellent example of good organisation....NOT. Maybe what's required is a rethink in how the forums are structured, eh? And maybe having distinct sub forums for the different models of Athena will help a great deal.


and now i just counted the votes in the "we want an x7510 section" thread nd there are 33 in 3 months
yes 33
not exactly a huge number is it

I suggest you go and count again, bearing in mind there are actually requests in different places (perhaps another fringe benefit of piss-poor organisation?)


I completely understand why you want a new section
Sure, buddy. You have me COMPLETELY convinced that you have our best interests at heart.


And so in conclusion, I think a sticky explaining he differences between x7510 and stuff is whats needed.
And that will sort out the mess how exactly?


night guys, and I hope it works out for you all, and nobody else bricks their devices...
Let me re-phrase your sentiment: I don't want you guys to benefit from a seperate section (even though I'm not directly affected!) and I certainly don't want things to become more organised and anyway there's so few of you that your opinion doesn't matter, but hey, here's to no more bricked devices!

I'll be polite here and let you choose the 1st word, but the second word of my reply is certainly "OFF!"

[rorydaredkign]

I agree with you on that, NanoRuler. E.g. without the latest Athena ROM link by sergiopi (thanks for it), I wasn't even able to compare all existing ROMs for the x7500 at a glance, there are too many threads spread over the entire forum.


you think thee are lots of roms here, go look at damond rom development and then tell us there are loads of roms here...

I really dont mind or care if theres a seperate section, but I can see why you want one, and also why the admins havent made it

I think a seperate section would actually help dev for us, as we could use your roms and port between the two and stuff.. it would lead to a better dev community here

[techntrek]

nano, don't take your anger out on rory. He's not a mod and undeserving of your "fuck off".

How about you have a few drinks and relax?

[NanoRuler]

nano, don't take your anger out on rory. He's not a mod and undeserving of your "fuck off".

How about you have a few drinks and relax?

Yes, he's not a mod, but he also did not need to try and build a case against the wishes of quite a few members here using poorly thought out strategies.

He was dismissive without having any reason to be and essentially stated that our opinion doesn't matter (although he didn't quite put it in those words).

Finally, I specifically did NOT tell him to fuck off, but gave him some choice in the phrase.

Either somebody's part of the solution...

[rorydaredkign]

fair play
hope it works out for you guys

[MikeChannon]

Forum created. This thread closed.
Further discussion here:

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=438035

Mike