Bluetooth Problem with Handsfree Profile in Car

[boba23]

Hey Folks,

I have been reading some posts here about BT and/or BT Mute problems, but my issues seems to be a bit different, plust I didn't have it 1-2 Months ago, so I think it might be ROM/Radio upgrade related ...
Right now I am running udK Diamond R8 which works perfectly fine in general.
I got my phone hooked up via BT to my car BT handsfree (it's a Peugeot 207cc which uses some Parrot BT stuff I think). This used to work perfectly fine when I first started using the polaris in the car. I don't remember when the problem started to appear, but now, when I receive and accept an incoming call, it takes 4-5 seconds, till the polaris switches audio to handsfree, meaning after accepting the call, I can't hear the other party on my car speakers ... but I can hear sound from the regular polaris speaker, very quietly of course.
After those 4-5 seconds, everything is fine and the call is switched to the car handsfree set.
The BT connection to the car set is fine all the time ... no problems connecting or pairing.
Anyone experiencing similiar issues?

boba

[bemi]

Hi,
I have exactly the same problem with my C4 BT handsfree system (Parrot BT components) for some months ago. I have had a look at a lot of forum, but no answer and no solution.

Some days ago, I flash my HTC Polariswith the original WM6.1 Fre, but no improvement. I still have the same problem, 4/5 seconds before hearing the caller.
(PS : sorry for my poor english ;))

Bemi

[boba23]

Hi,
I have exactly the same problem with my C4 BT handsfree system (Parrot BT components) for some months ago. I have had a look at a lot of forum, but no answer and no solution.

Some days ago, I flash my HTC Polariswith the original WM6.1 Fre, but no improvement. I still have the same problem, 4/5 seconds before hearing the caller.
(PS : sorry for my poor english ;))

Bemi

Glad to hear I am not alone. But as I said, I am sure it worked before. I'll try to flash back to the original radio rom first. Right now I am using the latest from the radio rom collection thread, 1.64 ....

boba

[bemi]

Same for me, it worked fine before with the original ROM
ROM : 1.25.406.1 FRE dated 12/12/07
Radio : 1.58.21.23
Protocole : 25.65.30.04H
It happened suddenly.
I tryed a lot of modifications in the register, but no improvement.

I hoped to resolv this problem with the new original WM6.1 but no improvement.

Next week, Citroen will change the radio (it stops working many time a day).
I hope this will resolv the problem.

Bemi

[boba23]

Same for me, it worked fine before with the original
Next week, Citroen will change the radio (it stops working many time a day).
I hope this will resolv the problem.

Bemi

Which radio do you have in your citroen? I got the RD4 + JBL Sound System from Peugeot.

boba

[bemi]

I don't know excatelly the model, but it's the one with Bi-Tuner, BT, MP3 and without Navidrive.
Bemi

[boba23]

I don't know excatelly the model, but it's the one with Bi-Tuner, BT, MP3 and without Navidrive.
Bemi

Ah ok, that's probably RT3 or RT4, mine doesn't have built-in navigation.

boba

[bemi]

Same for me "and without Navidrive"
Probably the RD4

Bemi

[bemi]

Today, I tried several other mobiles (Samsung, Sony-Ericson, Eten, Alcatel) for my problem of delay with incoming calls.
All of them work properly and, as soon as I receive and accept an incoming call, the sound switches directly to the handsfree of the car.
So, what is the problem with my HTC Cruise ?
Any idea ?

Bemi

[totolachance]

i'm having the same problem with a Sony DR-BT20NX headset
It has been working earlier.

But now , on incoming calls , the phone ring and later i ear a little signal in the bluetooth headset.
To accept the call , i've to use phone buttons :( ) .
The sound comes out the phone .I've to speak in the phone.

Otherwise i can listen music with the BT headset and make outgoing calls.

Rom : M-Amine 2.FRE
Radio : 1.59.42.15

( same problems with PDA viet Rom's V33 à V35 )

I don't remember if i've the problem since i've upgraded to radio 1.59.42.15 , sorry
Never had answers on differents forums ..

[ys222]

install advance config tool v3.3
go to BT setting
verify that your option is Joined stereo and not mono

[deechte]

I'm using udK Diamond R8. I had a lot of problems with my Parrot ck3100 carkit. It was finally resolved by installing the Murata 1.58.21.23 radio. With the for R8 recommended radio I had bad GSM reception, BT connection failure, random BT mute, Parrot displaying the call would continue when I in fact hang up etc.

[bemi]

Hi,
No change with Advanced Config Tools V3.3
Bemi

[boba23]

I checked some german forums and found that the problem is well known among other car-handsfree users. I am talking about exactly my problem from the first post, 3-4 secs delay till a incoming calls audio is switched to your cars speakers.
Since this worked for me, till a few weeks ago I'd say, it MUST be something related to ROM/Radio Rom version. I will flash back to bepe 0.67 today, since I am pretty sure I had my BT handsfree working fine while I was using bepes rom for quite some time ....

boba

[edwardm]

I have a different BT problem.
i am currently running Touch-IT m2d Beta. but i have always had this problem, even on the original official rom.
i pair my phone with a JVC KD-BT1 CD Head Unit in the car.

i sent this to HTC support (before i started flashing new roms to my cruise):
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HTC Touch Cruise. rom: 1.26.710.1 wwe radio: 1.58.21.23 protocol: 25.65.30.04h. bluetooth problem. when i have BT enabled on the htc, i get in the car and it pairs with my audio system. after i make the first call it disconnects (stops pairing) after the call is finished and then after 60 seconds, it pairs up again and i can make a call again. this happens after every call. i had a nokia and i-mate jasjam before with no problems whatsoever. any patch or update available?
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AND THIS WAS THEIR REPLY:

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Bluetooth should be universal or is marketed as universal although it is far from the truth. Certain chipsets conflict or are incompatible with others. If a device is not fully compatible it will not offer all features or possibly not connect at all. I have included the below for current tested devices.
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I DON'T think this is going to be fixed any time soon, so i'll live with it!

[InSomNiaK]

Hi every body.

I've got the same problem.
A Cruise Rev B, and a BT car's Kit (included in a peugeot, I thing a RD4/parrot stuff)
Actually my first call is ok, and then, heads phones are cutted (sometimes after 3 or 4 seconds), but my microphone still works.
My car's BT is still paired, and sometimes indicates that I'm still phoning, even if I've cutted it on my phone.

I'm happy to find some user's in the same "panade" than me, but I hope we will find a solution...

Who knows how it works and communicate?

[Bodisson]

It has to be radio problem.
Originally I had WM 6.0 Pro on my Polaris, and BT was working flawlessly.
Then I was stupid enough to upgrade to 6.1 WWE, and now I have all kind of trouble with BT connectivity. Downgrading back to 6.0 DID NOT help!

[boba23]

It has to be radio problem.
Originally I had WM 6.0 Pro on my Polaris, and BT was working flawlessly.
Then I was stupid enough to upgrade to 6.1 WWE, and now I have all kind of trouble with BT connectivity. Downgrading back to 6.0 DID NOT help!

Well question is, if it is a radio issue. We should get the old functionality back by downgrading, but I flashed back to the latest radio and it didn't help. If I find the time, I'll try to restore my german O2 Orbit 2 to the original Rom + original Radio Rom, which is supposed to be the one I am running right now ... the first in the list of official radio roms thread: 1.58.21.23
I don't think that my Polaris shipped with a different radio version ... lemme download the original german O2 rom now ....

boba

[interware.ch]

A Cruise Rev B, and a BT car's Kit (included in a peugeot, I thing a RD4/parrot stuff)
Actually my first call is ok, and then, heads phones are cutted (sometimes after 3 or 4 seconds), but my microphone still works.
My car's BT is still paired, and sometimes indicates that I'm still phoning, even if I've cutted it on my phone.



I have exactly the same problem, based on a slightly different configuration:
My car is a Citroen (with the RD4/parrot factory built in BT)...
My phone is a HTC TyTNII.... with WM6 I couldnt even pair the phone, so I upgraded to WM6.1

Actually I had to drive to the workshop to cut the power on the car, because the parrot BT unit wouldnt stop even tho my phone was off in the meantime.

I start to believe this is not a problem caused by my phone, but a fault SW version on the parrot unit.

[bnm7bnm]

I have pioneer deh-p7000bt and it works flawlessly with my polaris in handsfree and a2dp mode.

to have better quality i have to turn srs wow hd off.

in advanced config i set:
-use joint stereo: no
-bitpool: very high
-max bitpool: 64
-min bitpool: 32
-sample rate: 44100
-audio getaway: enabled

[eddytheeagle]

Is there anyone who solved this problem yet? I have the exact same problem. When someone calls me, I cannot hear the other party through my car speakers (Citroën C5 newest model without navidrive)

[eddytheeagle]

I just tried http://www.jetwaremobile.com/ and this seemed to solve my problems. I had to restart my TC after installing this and removed the relationship in my car. After I made a new relationship (pairing) everything seems to work fine. If this changes I'll let you know.

[Mace]

I am having the same trouble, which started after upgrading to WM 6.1. Am I right in understanding that the Bluetooth is controlled by the Radio ROM and if so is it possible to downgrade just the Radio ROM? I think mine originally came with 1.58.25.14 and the upgrade replaced it with 1.59.42.15, is there a procedure to do this, and has anyone had any success.

[Mace]

Sorry had a search and found http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=381600 which shows how to install just radio ROM, am just unclear as to whether you need to install Hard-SPL first as it is an official ROM and as to if changing radio clears all personal data from the phone.

[boba23]

I just tried http://www.jetwaremobile.com/ and this seemed to solve my problems. I had to restart my TC after installing this and removed the relationship in my car. After I made a new relationship (pairing) everything seems to work fine. If this changes I'll let you know.

You simply installed that software and after that you can accept calls and hear your counterpart directly via your car speakers? That would be call, gonna give it a try this week ... upgraded to Touch HD last week, it has WM 6.1 and it has the same problems. Hope that jetaware stuff helps :-)

boba

[asa51n]

I use to have a similar problem with the 4-5 second delay. i found that once the car is paired up with the phone, i ran bluetooth audio toggle, or other bluetooth audio program which makes all audio go through the vehicle all the time, including GPS navigation. This way when the phone rings, the ringtone can be heard through the speaker and when you answer it will be instantanious....... in theory.......... i mean, it worked for me anyway.... :)
Then all you have to do is find some way to auto run the toggle everytime you pair your device to the vehicle...

[deechte]

Is there anyone who solved this problem yet? I have the exact same problem. When someone calls me, I cannot hear the other party through my car speakers (Citroën C5 newest model without navidrive)
A colleague of mine has a 2 year old Renault Laguna. The factory built in system wouldn't work with the Touch Cruise, no matter what ROM. Exact the same problems as you describe. Finally the dealer uploaded new software to the car, that solved the problem. I suggest you pay your dealer a visit.

[boba23]

A colleague of mine has a 2 year old Renault Laguna. The factory built in system wouldn't work with the Touch Cruise, no matter what ROM. Exact the same problems as you describe. Finally the dealer uploaded new software to the car, that solved the problem. I suggest you pay your dealer a visit.

I don't think it is a car software problem. At least I didn't have those problems when I first got it. I am pretty sure it started somehow with WM 6.1 on my polaris. Now I have the same problems with 6.1 on my Touch HD.

boba

[SaBo]

I don't think it is a car software problem.

Of course it is.
With correct firmware on your BT car kit it will work just fine.

Sascha

[boba23]

What care are you talking about? It depends on the car man. My Peugeot has a RD4 Stereo system which integrates the Parrot BT kit. There is no simple "firmware" update just for the Parrot. There would have to be a software upgrade for the whole system.

boba

[Arthurrr]

I just tried http://www.jetwaremobile.com/ and this seemed to solve my problems. I had to restart my TC after installing this and removed the relationship in my car. After I made a new relationship (pairing) everything seems to work fine. If this changes I'll let you know.

Hello,

I have the same problems with a HTC Touch Cruise M-Amine 2.0 ROM.
On the HTC website, there is an update for the WM6.0 ROM. This update is now integrated in the WM6.1 ROM, but the problem still happends.

What about this solution ?
Does someone else try it with success ?

Regards,

[SaBo]

My Peugeot has a RD4 Stereo system which integrates the Parrot BT kit. There is no simple "firmware" update just for the Parrot. There would have to be a software upgrade for the whole system.

Then file a complain with your car dealer or directly with PSA.
It is a simple BT firmware problem.

Sascha

[Mace]

Of course it is.
With correct firmware on your BT car kit it will work just fine.

Sascha

Again with my Parott 3100 the problem only started with the upgrade to WM 6.1 so I dont see how it can be caused by a problem with the car kit

[SaBo]

Again with my Parott 3100 the problem only started with the upgrade to WM 6.1 so I dont see how it can be caused by a problem with the car kit

Because on other car kits with newer firmwares it works flawlessly, that's why.

Sascha

[Bodisson]

Nice. Then why I have problem between Pioneer DEH-P75BT and Polaris?
And I don't have same problem between mentioned P75BT and Blackberry Pearl, Siemens S75, Samsung SGH-350, Nokia 6233...
And as I mentioned before, while I had WM 6.0 WWE on my Polaris, I had NO problems at all with same P75BT?

[boba23]

Nice. Then why I have problem between Pioneer DEH-P75BT and Polaris?
And I don't have same problem between mentioned P75BT and Blackberry Pearl, Siemens S75, Samsung SGH-350, Nokia 6233...
And as I mentioned before, while I had WM 6.0 WWE on my Polaris, I had NO problems at all with same P75BT?

That's simply speculation ... a software/firmware update for the Handsfree Kit "might" also help, but indeed I agree that the problem WAS NOT present when I first got my car in march this year. Everything was working perfectly fine. No delay when accepting calls. Nothing. This started sometime when I started upgrading my Polaris to Roms from people here. So it was definately triggered by a Windows Mobile update in the Bluetooth stack I'd say. I'll give a few other BT cell phones a try this week, see how they behave with the car BT kit. E.g. Samsung U700 or Samsung D600.

boba

[WAS]

Hey All,

After having tehe same problems as you mentioned (with Kaiser, Artemis and Polaris, I figured out that the CarKits can't handle the Bitpool settings.
If you change the Bitpool in 24 and the max Bitpool 30 the carkit will respond very good. You even can take a call by accepting on the phone.

Hope this will help.

Greez, WAS

[boba23]

What do you mean with "the car kits", what car kit do you have? ;-) I don't think everybody here is using parrot car kits, either additional ones or car manufacturer built in ones. Anyway I'll give your bitpool settings a try. What handsfree unit do you use man, and did you have that very same problem, when accepting a call, that it takes a few seconds till the sound is switched to the speakers, either of your handsfree unit or like for to the car audio speakers? Because that is my MAIN issue, which is very annoying.

boba

[houms]

I have a touch runing under PDAViet 42 rom, and a parrot MK6000 as car kit.
So Globaly not so bad but I have some problems:

1- A probem which is specific to this PDAViet rom: MK6000 is an AD2P car kit so I can play music thru it. The music connection is ok but, the parrot car kit music buttons (rewind, forvard, play/pause) are not working: they can not command the player on touch. I do not have this problem with other rom but, as considering all aspect, I prefere the PDAViet rom, I'm for now living with it.

2- This a common problem to all rom I've tested: when I make a call with my touch thru my parrot kit, evry thing is ok during the call. at the end, when I hang off, the car kit is disconnecting from my touch, and after 2minutes, reconnecting to it. then, after this happend, when I go out of the car and want to use my phone directly, there is no sound nowhere: neither for music, neither for phone call. I have to reboot my phone to make it work again.

Any solution? bypass? advice?

[boba23]

Hey folks,

positive news here! Today I received a call and guess what, took it and the sound of my counterparts voice was there right away on my car audio speakers :-)
So what did I change? First I tried to install that tool, that was posted from jetwaremobile.com. Played around with it's settings but then uninstalled it, because it kept telling me that trial period had expired. Didn't test the handsfree kit after that, cause I did that yday night. Then today at work, I used shaps advanced config to change the bitpool settings as suggestd above to min. 24 and max. 30. plus I set "Joint Stereo" to YES. Well, all I can say is, that my very problem seems gone now. Couldn't receive a call in such a "normal" way for months :-) Will do some more testing tomorrow and over the weekend ....

boba

[eddytheeagle]

Hey folks,

positive news here! I used shaps advanced config to change the bitpool settings as suggestd above to min. 24 and max. 30. plus I set "Joint Stereo" to YES. Well, all I can say is, that my very problem seems gone now. Couldn't receive a call in such a "normal" way for months :-) Will do some more testing tomorrow and over the weekend ....

boba

This would be great! I made the same settings just now, but didn't have the chance to check it yet. I'll keep you guys informed about this too!

[SaBo]

plus I set "Joint Stereo" to YES.

This should lead to A2DP in mono instead of stereo.
Don't know if this is helpful at all since your problems aren't A2DP (bt headphone profile) related but bt headset.

Sascha

[boba23]

This should lead to A2DP in mono instead of stereo.
Don't know if this is helpful at all since your problems aren't A2DP (bt headphone profile) related but bt headset.

Sascha

Well I am not sure if that stereo setting did anything. I guess the bitpool settings did the trick. Will try it back with mono again.

boba

[eddytheeagle]

I installed the tool and set the bitsizes, but now voice dialling is not working in my car anymore. So, I uninstalled the tool and reset the bitsizes, but my voice dialling is still not woking. WTF :confused:

[boba23]

Can't tell you about voice dialing, never used it. But for me it definately fixed my 5 sec delay when accepting a call. Still don't know though for sure, if it was the bitpool stuff. Will try to reset bitpool settings as they were before, and see if the problem reappears.

boba

[roberto.portulano]

Hey folks,

positive news here! Today I received a call and guess what, took it and the sound of my counterparts voice was there right away on my car audio speakers :-)
So what did I change? First I tried to install that tool, that was posted from jetwaremobile.com. Played around with it's settings but then uninstalled it, because it kept telling me that trial period had expired. Didn't test the handsfree kit after that, cause I did that yday night. Then today at work, I used shaps advanced config to change the bitpool settings as suggestd above to min. 24 and max. 30. plus I set "Joint Stereo" to YES. Well, all I can say is, that my very problem seems gone now. Couldn't receive a call in such a "normal" way for months :-) Will do some more testing tomorrow and over the weekend ....

boba
Boba:
can you check with me the Bluetoth configuration in Advance tool 3.3 please:
obex:disabled
Use Joint Stereo: Yes (Default)
Bitpool:24
max supported bitpool:30
minsupported bitpool:24
sample rate:default
Audio Gateway service:enable
Audio Gateway power save:disable
let me know your comments
regards

[WAS]

I checked the settings; min bitpool 14, bitpool 24 max bitpool 30, OBEX enabled

Greez, WAS

[eddytheeagle]

I installed the tool and set the bitsizes, but now voice dialling is not working in my car anymore. So, I uninstalled the tool and reset the bitsizes, but my voice dialling is still not woking. WTF :confused:

The voice dial is working again. I installed a new ROM and set the bitsizes to 24-30. Everything seems fine now. I did not install the tool this time.

edit: this eventually did not work for me :(

[SuperMyron]

Hello,
using Schap's
1)BT setting:
I have activated OBEX
disabled Joint Stereo (ensure new BT stack is used)
let Bitpool to normal (min=18, max=53)
sample rate = default
audio gateway = enabled
2) Phone settings:
Remove 3G prefix.

[boba23]

Boba:
can you check with me the Bluetoth configuration in Advance tool 3.3 please:
obex:disabled
Use Joint Stereo: Yes (Default)
Bitpool:24
max supported bitpool:30
minsupported bitpool:24
sample rate:default
Audio Gateway service:enable
Audio Gateway power save:disable
let me know your comments
regards

Ehm, how do you guys set Bitpool to a numeric value? I can only choose from "low, very low, medium, high ...." I can only set min and max bitpool to numeric values, but not "Bitpool" itself.

how do you do it?

boba

[bemi]

Hello,
still and always looking for a solution to this problem of delay before answering an incoming call.
I tried ACT and Jetware on my Touch HD, but no change.
Bemi