Behavior of older members

[Junner2003]

During the past months I have noticed a tendency, or better: arrogance of older members. They sometimes treat "Juniors" like idiots or make unnecessary fun of them. This - even though it is really funny sometimes for the older guys :D - just makes it somehow unpleasant here.

We all habe been there, we all had to learn about our devices, so, what is the point? Juniors should be welcommed better than laught at - they might become the masters tomorrow!

- - -

Another tendency:
I sure know that almost anything in this forums has been discussed already in one thread or another. However, SENIORs, get real! If a new user asks a question, you should help him finding an answer / solution rather than just writing the "USE THE SEARCH" nonsense!
The integrated forum search is not the easiest on the market and it takes a while to get used to it. In addition, this forum is filled with thousands of topics - you sometimes can search and click through threads without finding anything in specific for hours! Sure, there is the attempt of having the WIKI but even this often does not cover it all! So, rather than posting the stupid "USE THE SEARCH", point the guy to the right topic / section / WIKI article - that would make more sense. LOL, just use the GOOGLE SEARCH in this forum and look for "Use the search" - amazing how many threads you find!

Don't get me wrong! I don't mean that we should animate JUNIORS to double-post or 'being lazy', but it is more helpful to guide him to the right topic if you want to help or - in case you just want to be a "smart-ass" - say nothing rather than "Use the search!"!

Well, just my opinion but it always looks a bit hostile to me if I see an old member posting "USE THE SEARCH" - in that aspect the old member is just not better than the junior, who might have been too lazy to perform a search in first place ...
:)

[etnies]

this is my first post in 4 months.

titties.

[Junner2003]

this is my first post in 4 months.

titties.

LOL, see, my post was good for something - at least you replied after 4 months of "shut up, be happy, stop whining" :D

[adderz91]

I do agree with what youve said, but i dont think your going to change human nature.

Ive been guilty of giving slightly unhelpful comments to juniors, i suppose its just frustrating when someone is asking about something we find so simple.

Then again, we had to learn to...

I only discovered the search function not long ago, tis very helpful but i can see why its not used or noticed until youve been here for awhile.

TO be honest i hate the way this forum is set up.

You should all visit http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/

It has a lovely layout and is a pleasure to use. (Its an australian broadband forum)

[gshadow325]

true statement for the most part, but i find that noobs are exceited about joing the forum. they see all that they can do their new device and go nuts. instant gratification is today's society. this is the same on 99.9% of the forums out there. i know i was like that. i wanted my "modded" kaiser to do this and that, but i also didn't want a brick too. so at least i read and read and read some more. there's some users out there that don't want to read even the simple FAQ's and the WIKI. (i know i was one of those users too) i didn't read those threads until 2 weeks ago and i have been effin with my kaiser for 3 months :p

again titties? where?

[Junner2003]

Yeah, that WHIRLPOOL looks neat, however, I guess Igot too used to XDA-Developers.

I do believe that one of the main reasons is the amount of information collected in this forum during the years, and for sure the dayly grow of new devices and features on the market.

Maybe it would be an idea to rethink the XDA structure and set up 3 different forums, one for problems, one for software development and one for ROM Development and hacking ... but if I rethink it, well, I got used to it (almost) so, others will too if we help them rather than pointing them to the SEARCH ... :)

[DaveShaw]

Yeah, that WHIRLPOOL looks neat, however, I guess Igot too used to XDA-Developers.

I do believe that one of the main reasons is the amount of information collected in this forum during the years, and for sure the dayly grow of new devices and features on the market.

Maybe it would be an idea to rethink the XDA structure and set up 3 different forums, one for problems, one for software development and one for ROM Development and hacking ... but if I rethink it, well, I got used to it (almost) so, others will too if we help them rather than pointing them to the SEARCH ... :)

Lots of users are used to the layout and changing it would be a massive operation for the Site Admin. Also, we are limited by what V-Bulletin can do.

With regards to the behaviour of older members, I will not support or condone what they do, if they pass the line then the post should be reported to the moderators for further investigation.

Checkout this old post on Flaming: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=390475&highlight=Flame

And finally, there are some naked chicks in my signature (SFW) to check out.

Ta
Dave

[alijo]

During the past months I have noticed a tendency, or better: arrogance of older members. They sometimes treat "Juniors" like idiots or make unnecessary fun of them. This - even though it is really funny sometimes for the older guys :D - just makes it somehow unpleasant here.

We all habe been there, we all had to learn about our devices, so, what is the point? Juniors should be welcommed better than laught at - they might become the masters tomorrow!

- - -

Another tendency:
I sure know that almost anything in this forums has been discussed already in one thread or another. However, SENIORs, get real! If a new user asks a question, you should help him finding an answer / solution rather than just writing the "USE THE SEARCH" nonsense!
The integrated forum search is not the easiest on the market and it takes a while to get used to it. In addition, this forum is filled with thousands of topics - you sometimes can search and click through threads without finding anything in specific for hours! Sure, there is the attempt of having the WIKI but even this often does not cover it all! So, rather than posting the stupid "USE THE SEARCH", point the guy to the right topic / section / WIKI article - that would make more sense. LOL, just use the GOOGLE SEARCH in this forum and look for "Use the search" - amazing how many threads you find!

Don't get me wrong! I don't mean that we should animate JUNIORS to double-post or 'being lazy', but it is more helpful to guide him to the right topic if you want to help or - in case you just want to be a "smart-ass" - say nothing rather than "Use the search!"!

Well, just my opinion but it always looks a bit hostile to me if I see an old member posting "USE THE SEARCH" - in that aspect the old member is just not better than the junior, who might have been too lazy to perform a search in first place ...
:)



I agree, and the search engine of the forum is not the simpliest one

[DaveShaw]

I agree, and the search engine of the forum is not the simpliest one

V-Bulletin search leaves a lot to be desired, but the google one pastes over the cracks pretty well.

Ta
Dave

[farukb]

i can't remember if i have just once used v-bulletin engine and got a hit...it's a real crap masterpiece...:)

but in the other hand...google does the trick

and we all got "use the search" so what...big deal..


most of the time on the forum i deal with juniors and i tend to give a precise noob answer so i don't mind them and their questions at all....but isn't it natural like food chain...
it may be wrong but it is as it is and few of us can't help or improve it no matter how we try


and there are even worse members than juniors.....those seniors who gained status on off-topics i think there is no need for that but if you want i can provide 2-3 names right now

[deepthroat]

well ... i think the common rule of 'minimum requirement' applies everywhere.

By the name of xda-developers implies that this is the developers site. I can see that the moderators and other senior members here did do attempts to reduce someone creating new thread for just asking "noobs" question, but new members just dont want to spend their time to do reading, reading and reading.

There is nothing really harm to do reading then do searching ....

No offense, just my thought ....:)

[farukb]

i want to mention a moderator and his wall of shame crap in the diamond section...it was very rude and not friendly

[the-equinoxe]

It is unappropiate for any member to flame, if you don't like a post either use the http://forum.xda-developers.com/images/xdabuttons/report.gif report button or ignore the thread.
Also, If you find a response from a (senior)member offensive feel free to http://forum.xda-developers.com/images/xdabuttons/report.gif!

The problem with noob questions is that if allowed it would drown our already massive forum, searching would become even worse.
Next to that: it's often wise to read first and to know what you are doing before acting, a lot of noobs have bricked their devices because they didn't read!
So "read the stickies/wiki" or "use the search" is often GOOD and SOUND advice!

But by no means we condone flaming!

BTW we don't like to be called "older members", please use the term age-challenged-members :p

[P1Tater]

May I also post a link to one of the best posts ever to be written at XDA.

LINK TO BEST POST EVER (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=2031989&postcount=45)

Says all I ever need to say. Developers and hackers working together to better their devices. Not a place for "check what I can do with my phone".

Kyphur said it best with this quote
Now do we go kicking users off who never contribute anything, NO. We tolerate it to an extent. Where the toleration ends is when these users start diluting the usefulness of the forum by repeating the same questions over and over again.

[hendrixus]

Often the old behave like juniors ;)

[scotchua]

May I also post a link to one of the best posts ever to be written at XDA.

LINK TO BEST POST EVER (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=2031989&postcount=45)

Says all I ever need to say. Developers and hackers working together to better their devices. Not a place for "check what I can do with my phone".



I agree that Kyphur said it best with that post.


That is the post i most often love to quote. The issue is always that we have two types of users, those who just LOVE technology and want to learn, and those who treat it like it is tech support, or a paid service. These two sides are always at odds with each other. It is very easy to get frustrated with new users who aren't interested in even taking the time to ask good questions. I have never once put down someone for asking a sincere question, or refused to spend much of my own free time teaching a new user how to do something, IF they were willing to learn. The phrase "i don't have time to read all this" is an automatic call for me to do nothing to help that person. If you don't have time to read and learn, then you shouldn't be be modding your device. It's just too risky if you don't know what you are doing. As for the search function, it is a learning process, but honestly if you know how to search the internet, then you should be a quick study on searching the forum. I love that you can search just the thread, just the forum, or the whole site. After learning the site, i have found it completely functional, and rarely do i waste time looking for answers.

I will say that the "respect all the members" rule is sadly neglected by many users on this forum, regardless of their standing. I try to encourage everyone who sees disrespectful activity to write well thought out replies, via PM or if necessary in the thread. Use the report post button more frequently so that the mods can step in when necessary. Finally, please remember this is an international forum, filled with many non-native english speakers, who may not always grasp the full meaning of what everyone is saying. Be patient, and be clear in what you are saying, because we all say things we shouldn't have and we all have misread or been misunderstood. Let's try to give people the benefit of the doubt. Of course, don't forget to have fun too ;)

[sub69]

P1Tater is spot on.

No more discussion needed...!

[the-equinoxe]

this is my first post in 4 months.

kittens.

2 months :p Your last post was from : 06-09-2008 ;)

[Noonski]

I came here for the reported T!tt!3s.

No such luck.

I haven't seen really harsh "Use the Search Function" posts from Seniors.

I have seen some Touch Love Versions and have even seen some more "I will still answer your Question" posts by seniors.

In the end i think that most senior members are trying to encourage research.

As that is what the majority of people/developers/cooks are doing. Testing, changing Testing Changing and getting feedback from others testing and changing.

Adding a little advice or hint to the "Use The Search Function" , like over at this or that forum. Or "Try these Keywords", makes a post that can seem unfriendly (flat information has that weird quality to invoke an emotion behind it that does not exist), sound a bit more friendly.

But as soon as words as "Dumbass, idiot, Noob, grow up etc" are added to a Search referral post, it's pretty obvious that we should be reported, because that goes over the line.

[ibeqa]

Bottom line is that there will always be people who don't want to read a lot and that they would try to find an answer just by posting a question that already has been answered - human nature.
On the other hand there will be always seniors that sometimes would be harsh on noobs, again - human nature.

The balance: "use the search button" or "use google".

Well, I don't think it's harsh to say use search button because when I first came here I had to read more than 100 pages of Himalaya section and than another 100 in upgrading and Wiki. Thats a lot of reading but it helped a lot. Up to this day I never broke a device, I had more than 4 devices so I read a lot. But thats not it, reading through the posts I could see juniors posting questions that should not be posted and seniors posting answers that should not be postet. That made me think hard before I posted a question. Now I don't have a background in electronics or engineering but I made it just by reading.
So, I don't think that's harsh to say use the search button, anyway this is my two cents.

Cheers

[Noonski]

Maybe should have phrased it more like "Sounds Harsh" ;)

But it isn't harsh.

[ZootHornRollo]

i have been a member for while but didn't use the forum much when i had my hermes.

I have been a lot more active with reading since getting my Kaiser and have noticed a lot of the 'let me gooogle that for you' nonsense from senior members.

I also get the feeling that asking what might be a simple question to some is frowned upon. we wouldn't ask if we knew the answer!

Is it possible to have a [solved] button to prefix any solved post making finding a solution easier?

the google search can be a nightmare as you get a million and one results making it hard to find your specific issue. If you search for multiple terms it is an 'OR' search rather than an 'AND' search creating many more results.

For that reason i think the 'use the search' is a very unhelpful answer.

[TheChampJT]

i have been a member for while but didn't use the forum much when i had my hermes.

I have been a lot more active with reading since getting my Kaiser and have noticed a lot of the 'let me gooogle that for you' nonsense from senior members.

I also get the feeling that asking what might be a simple question to some is frowned upon. we wouldn't ask if we knew the answer!

Is it possible to have a [solved] button to prefix any solved post making finding a solution easier?

the google search can be a nightmare as you get a million and one results making it hard to find your specific issue. If you search for multiple terms it is an 'OR' search rather than an 'AND' search creating many more results.

For that reason i think the 'use the search' is a very unhelpful answer.

There is now an entire Q&A forum avail for those with quesions.

[ZootHornRollo]

i posted one such query in Q&A 5 days ago to which one moderator replied, i responded with further information and noone else has even suggested a possible solution or further troubleshooting.

It is an issue with Pocket Outlook so you can imagine how many results are returned thorugh the search facility!

[loithuxua]

Sometimes I don't dare to ask as I might be laughed at. So to be on the safest side I often have to guess a lot where on the forum I can find the helps I need. Besides I need lots of time filtering the search results. So far at least I get what I need but not only from this forum but a lot from other forums. No forum is perfect and I deeply appreaciate direct and indirect helps from the members in different parts of the world. What to say?! Thanks you all for posting what I find valuable.:D

[hendrixus]

Sometimes I don't dare to ask as I might be laughed at.

That's really sad. Just ask man. Don't be ashamed.They probely don't know what they are laughing about. They are unsure of themselfs!

[stylez]

"Older members" not at all pigeon casting here? i find both searches do there job., using the vbulletin? search while in sub forums and using the google for a wider search, many of the "Older" users see questions repetively asked on a daily bases, thats why the response "use the search" pops up alot, also when some of the "Elders" joined there wasn't all the info you can find today so not only was reseach involved but trial and error, many a hard-reset. Pretty much now most things are documented. So when we as "Elders" see these posts flames come bellowing out of our heads but instead of using the wording that is probably in the tips o our tongues we say "use the search" i'm not really even an "oldy Elder" but have made alot of posts since joining and can't remeber the last thread i made to ask a ?
Don't be afraid to ask questions just use the search before...

[orb3000]

Yeah

Feel free to express yourself, Veterans here if they are not interested on your question they simply will not reply (In general) and if someone treat you badly there is always a way to complain and report any bad behaivour

Cheers,

[liamhere]

we where all n00bs once ;)

i did't get older and wiser with out asking for help :)

[AllTheWay]

we where all n00bs once ;)

i did't get older and wiser with out asking for help :)

Very true but I think it has to more with the manner in which we ask. If you simply just start a new thread without seeing if one is already created then it should be brought to your attention. I myself did this when I first stated on XDA. Created a new thread without searching. I got flamed...big deal...move on. While I don't think we need to give people the third degree each time, being that it could be a language barrier, I do think people should own up to some sense of responsibility.

What's the old saying...“Give a man a fish; you have fed him for today. Teach a man to fish; and you have fed him for a lifetime."

[daeshawn]

I personally think that the seniors should just advise of the search functions and also point them in the right direction i.e link to a posting or thread. That way the noobs don't get heated or the seniors dont't feel disrespected when a noob retaliates with response, next thing you know the thread is flooded with back and forth comments causing moderators to step in. I still have a million and one questions to ask but have learned to search via seniors that were kind enough to point me in the right direction, i soon learned how to use the searches etc and ask only when i cannot find the answer

[Noonski]

Very true but I think it has to more with the manner in which we ask. If you simply just start a new thread without seeing if one is already created then it should be brought to your attention. I myself did this when I first stated on XDA. Created a new thread without searching. I got flamed...big deal...move on. While I don't think we need to give people the third degree each time, being that it could be a language barrier, I do think people should own up to some sense of responsibility.

What's the old saying...“Give a man a fish; you have fed him for today. Teach a man to fish; and you have fed him for a lifetime."

I was writing a whole book, but it basically boiled down to what you just said.

It was Fishy.

[jbailey49]

When i first joined i asked a question and was told to search,i did and couldn't find the answer. After a couple of day's i checked back and stylez without being an ***hole, pointed me in the right direction(THANX STYLEZ):D. Most times i can find what i'm looking for by using search. If i can't find what i'm looking for then i ask and usually someone like stylez or nrg will at least point me to where i need to go. Many props. to all who at least try to help,most of the seniors have a wealth of knowledge and very rarely get the thanx they deserve.

[Addicted2xda]

It is agreed that most of the times it is extremely difficult to find a particular stuff you are looking for using the search function. But at the same time, we find that a lot of new as well as fairly experienced users post even without checking out the stickeys. Or post in threads even without checking out the first post! If you check the SIM unlock thread in Vox, you will find uncountable number of users asking for SIM unlock code, where as in the very first post the thread starter has made it clear that it doesn't work that way.
In the Gene forum, after seeing that pple are bricking their Genes by the dozen, a stickey was created for tutorial about how to go about flashing. Still pple are bricking their devices without checking out the post named "Tutorial". So is it not fair to say that most of the new users are pretty lazy as well, no offence though (I was a noob once too).

[hendrixus]

It is agreed that most of the times it is extremely difficult to find a particular stuff you are looking for using the search function.

No it isn't
But I noticed moderators now seems to remove "use the search option " or similar remarks :D

[Addicted2xda]

No it isn't
But I noticed moderators now seems to remove "use the search option " or similar remarks :D

You didn't read the entire reply did you :rolleyes:? Are you disagreeing that most of the noobs are pretty lazy when it comes to search (or for that matter READ!) ? :p

[l3v5y]

No it isn't
But I noticed moderators now seems to remove "use the search option " or similar remarks :D

We remove things which may lead to a flame war...

We're all for people saying things like:

"Search! Here is a link..."

If it's put more bluntly than that, without a link we may remove it...

[aE3-ink]

It's a well known fact that seniors are just old grumps & haven't the time for the noisy irritations of the young'uns.
They like seeing the youngsters so they can say 'my god, were we once like that ?' & enjoy nothing more than pulling out the stick & swishing the youngsters back into place.
The youngsters pretend they don't like it but they secretly aspire to become stick wielding old fogies.
The worst of them are the crawly teacher's pet types who agree to absolutely everything & anything a senior or mod says, thinking it'll give them a fast road to fogeydom.
But they don't realise that to become a senior one must humbly walk the lower echelons & try not to have too many tantrums in public.

Oh dear, I hadn't quite realized it but today I'm no longer a junior, shyte, does this mean I'm about to face a mid life crisis ?

[aE3-ink]

Thanks for the advice Mr. Stick Wielder, it means that despite everything there's always room for hope.
Or is there ?
http://i44.tinypic.com/wiobbo.jpg
:o

[orb3000]

In my culture we have a big respect for older people, just because they have more time and experience on this world.
I think this apply to this site also
I respect older members because they fund this site, because thay have been dealing with users like me since the creation of the site, they have experience and new users have to learn and respect olders, even if olders sometimes are a little rude (Of course there is a limit)

So, yes please respect older members!
Just my personal opinion, not wanting to offend anyone

Let´s all enjoy this great site respecting it!

[aE3-ink]

hmmm, how about if I go for green ?
http://i39.tinypic.com/34hvpmv.jpg

[nir36]

this isn't exactly "Behavior of 'old'er members" thread.. more like "kiddie behavior" thread :)

[JimmyMcGee]

Hey! I'm a stick wielding FOGEY TOO!

http://img218.imageshack.us/img218/7292/youshallnotpass2zl1.jpg

SEE!

[aE3-ink]

I think I shall invest in a decent piece of head protection

http://i40.tinypic.com/51dcf7.jpg

[addicus]

Of course the seniors get rude when the youngsters just come in expecting gratification with no work. I still find it funny how a lot of the youngsters piss and moan but one of the best developers here is a 15yr old kid. KidNamedAlbert kicked major butt around here because his attitude was to give and take.
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Most 'noobs' just want to take so they ignore the protocols of the site and this begets agitation. I know information flows quickly in today's world but reading is still an essential part of gaining knowledge so new members should do so. That that do actually have a chance to be the next 'masters'. Those that don't and just take are leeches and with most medical progressions now leeches have very little use.
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Still, there is no excuse for rudeness as that is not a part of this site's protocol.

[parleyp]

Of course the seniors get rude when the youngsters just come in expecting gratification with no work. I still find it funny how a lot of the youngsters piss and moan but one of the best developers here is a 15yr old kid. KidNamedAlbert kicked major butt around here because his attitude was to give and take.
-----
Most 'noobs' just want to take so they ignore the protocols of the site and this begets agitation. I know information flows quickly in today's world but reading is still an essential part of gaining knowledge so new members should do so. That that do actually have a chance to be the next 'masters'. Those that don't and just take are leeches and with most medical progressions now leeches have very little use.
-----
Still, there is no excuse for rudeness as that is not a part of this site's protocol.

Here here!...some of the best developers here are teenagers...you wouldn't know it unless you know more about them. But they are among us--contributing on a daily basis. Age is not the issue. Attitude is the issue.

[orb3000]

Here here!...some of the best developers here are teenagers...you wouldn't know it unless you know more about them. But they are among us--contributing on a daily basis. Age is not the issue. Attitude is the issue.

You got a point here, but...
We are talking about older members = Members with more posts here no matter their age...

[l3v5y]

You got a point here, but...
We are talking about older members = Members with more posts here no matter their age...

Just to screw things up a little more, I'm in the top 3 top posters, yet have only been a member for a year and a half, and I'm 16 (for five days...)...

Haha! Older is not necessarily older... If that makes any sense.

Have we (the mods/senior members) not earned a little bit of grumpyness? It gets rather annoying saying the same things over and over again because people can't be asked to search! I try and avoid being overly annoyed, but sometimes I fail... :(

[nir36]

Just to screw things up a little more, I'm in the top 3 top posters, yet have only been a member for a year and a half, and I'm 16 (for five days...)...

Haha! Older is not necessarily older... If that makes any sense.

Have we (the mods/senior members) not earned a little bit of grumpyness? It gets rather annoying saying the same things over and over again because people can't be asked to search! I try and avoid being overly annoyed, but sometimes I fail... :(

you're 16?! you sound like 30!

fuck i feel old!

i was 10 when you popped out.

damn RL newbie :)

[denco7]

Have we (the mods/senior members) not earned a little bit of grumpyness? It gets rather annoying saying the same things over and over again because people can't be asked to search! I try and avoid being overly annoyed, but sometimes I fail...

http://i417.photobucket.com/albums/pp251/denco7/Funny%20pics/old-people-bird-1.jpg

Yeah, me too :)

[orb3000]

you're 16?! you sound like 30!

fuck i feel old!

i was 10 when you popped out.

damn RL newbie :)

And I was 10 when you popped out!:D

I don´t feel old!!

[Farsquidge]

I think the titles for how many posts should just be changed..

Few posts = Short Member
Many Posts = Longer Member

(Hee Hee)

Actually the search Engine (poor as it is) is made a must by actions of Moderators themselves.

Look at the Blackstone Forum. All questions are being placed in one thread??

Normally a Topic is easily followed in its own thread post by post.

Now this created thread is hard to follow as answers for various questions are intermingled by different timed posts (call it one huge thread with many off-topic posts!!)

Newbies torture device! :confused:

[scotchua]

I think the titles for how many posts should just be changed..

Few posts = Short Member
Many Posts = Longer Member

(Hee Hee)

Actually the search Engine (poor as it is) is made a must by actions of Moderators themselves.

Look at the Blackstone Forum. All questions are being placed in one thread??

Normally a Topic is easily followed in its own thread post by post.

Now this created thread is hard to follow as answers for various questions are intermingled by different timed posts (call it one huge thread with many off-topic posts!!)

Newbies torture device! :confused:

Well the other option is to close every redundant thread, and make them search for the answers. The idea is that people will actually post their question in the thread in the first place. We have a thread like that in the Raph Forum, and users still post 10 new threads a day. In a forum that's been open about 8 months, should there really be 6,000 threads started already? I am pretty sure that i could delete 1,000 threads and nobody would even notice. Why? Because most new threads in these sections are people asking questions that have already been answered. Honestly, in my opinion most peoople are looking at having to read, 3 or 4 pages max to find the response to their question and anyone who says they don't have time for that isn't gonna get much sympathy from me. If you're right and creating the thread makes it so difficult that it forces people to have to learn to search for their own answers, then i think that's something i can live with too, cause last time I checked "search first before posting" was in the rules. ;)

[rkwhyte2]

http://i417.photobucket.com/albums/pp251/denco7/Funny%20pics/old-people-bird-1.jpg

Yeah, me too :)

Ditto...I almost fell out of my chair laughing when I saw the picture. Thanks for making my Monday a little brighter.

Kirby

[Farsquidge]

Well the other option is to close every redundant thread, and make them search for the answers. The idea is that people will actually post their question in the thread in the first place. We have a thread like that in the Raph Forum, and users still post 10 new threads a day. In a forum that's been open about 8 months, should there really be 6,000 threads started already? I am pretty sure that i could delete 1,000 threads and nobody would even notice. Why? Because most new threads in these sections are people asking questions that have already been answered. Honestly, in my opinion most peoople are looking at having to read, 3 or 4 pages max to find the response to their question and anyone who says they don't have time for that isn't gonna get much sympathy from me. If you're right and creating the thread makes it so difficult that it forces people to have to learn to search for their own answers, then i think that's something i can live with too, cause last time I checked "search first before posting" was in the rules. ;)


If you follow that train of thought then what is the point of separate device sections in the Forum???

You are advocating one huge XDA question thread and search would be a must then?

Anyway, each to their own...:o

I do agree with the train of thought that the developers forum is being taken over by people who think its a support forum for anything wrong with the phone (usually by tweaking / Flashing without reading the WiKi!)

But, PATIENCE IS A VIRTUE!

OH SOD IT, being grumpy is fun!!!:(:D

[scotchua]

If you follow that train of thought then what is the point of separate device sections in the Forum???

You are advocating one huge XDA question thread and search would be a must then?

Anyway, each to their own...:o

I do agree with the train of thought that the developers forum is being taken over by people who think its a support forum for anything wrong with the phone (usually by tweaking / Flashing without reading the WiKi!)

But, PATIENCE IS A VIRTUE!

OH SOD IT, being grumpy is fun!!!:(:D

My line of reasoning is this:

1) The threads I merge into our Q&A Super Thread are virtually entirely not posts that should be creating a new thread.

2) Should a thread or post need to be pulled out to create a useful thread on a NEW topic, i have gladly done so upon request.

3) If the Q&A Thread is too complicated (reading 3-4 pages of posts per day) THEN I'm okay with people being forced to "turn to the search function" which they are supposed to be using.

4) All the redundant threads are pushing the actually useful threads off the first and second pages of each sub-forum was really my point, and by consolidating them then people can more easily find useful information.

[frogmann]

the search engine of the forum is not the simpliest one, little confusing

[l3v5y]

the search engine of the forum is not the simpliest one, little confusing

That's as maybe, but putting "site:xda-developers.com" into a google search will make google just search xda-devs. You can go further than that with:

site:xda-developers.com - the whole site
site:forum.xda-developers.com - just the forums
site:wiki.xda-developers.com - just the wiki

[Ryanmo5]

I have been on here for some time now and i use the search option all the time, never had a problem on my end. In the dream forum there are 5 sub forums, dream, development, accessories, themes and wallpaper and apps and games. I have counted at least 20 threads that are out of place. Is it really that hard to put an app question in the sub forum that says apps in bold instead of development section? No its not its pure laziness, people who don't read the rules should not be on here. This is a development site not a hey lets get on here and deck out my phone site! I love helping new members and will do so every chance i get, I was new once as well and even though I've been on here for awhile now i don't consider myself any better than anyone. Maybe a little more knowledgeable. The point is if people read the rules and used the search the forum would be better off, unfortunately we live in a world where people want what they want with the least amount of time or effort.