Anything new worthy of replacing Kaiser ?

[RacerX10]

I've been google'n for 2 days and haven't been able to find anything worthy of an upgrade from a Kaiser ..

My mom needs a pda/phone and she wants my trusty Kaiser, but unless I find something worth having she's not getting it.

The Touch HD looks fantastic .. but .. isn't coming to the US ?@#$@


Anybody know of something coming soon, available now I should be looking at ?

ATT Fuse doesn't look like any kind of an upgrade.

Thanks for your comments !

What I use the Kaiser for :

#1 Web Browsing
#2 VPN via PPTP to work network, and telnet to a as/400 machine from there
#3 Handful of WinMO apps that I use for various things (weather, poker blind timers, etc)

I occasionally talk on the phone too :)

[mikemorris]

hey man AT&T Fuze, it's called the Raphael on these forums, it's a sexy phone and has Opera 9.5 built in. and it can do everything the Tilt does minus some buttons and has a G-sensor
-Mike

[Junner2003]

Next to the KAISER I had the MWg ZINC II for a while. It had an incredible performance, much better than on the TYTN. However, there are 2 things I couldn't stand on that thing: no hardware softkeys underneath the screen and a weird keyboard with strangely arranged characters. Other than that it was a great device. I still would have gotten used to its keyboard but I couldn't stand the fact that it did not have any HW softkeys underneath the screen.

However, even though this seems to be an interesting question, I do believe that this thread is misplaced since you ask for something "that is not the KAISER"! :D

It might have been better placed in the GENERAL BOARD (http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=256)?

[RacerX10]

hey man AT&T Fuze, it's called the Raphael on these forums, it's a sexy phone and has Opera 9.5 built in. and it can do everything the Tilt does minus some buttons and has a G-sensor
-Mike

I guess I could run over to ATT and look at one. It just doesn't look all that appealing at first glance. I see nothing on it other than a VGA screen vs the tilt, and I'm losing the "tilt" function that I've grown to enjoy.

I don't think I'll ever use a G-Sensor for anything. I have opera 9.5 on the Tilt.

Maybe I'll like it better in-person.

[RacerX10]

However, even though this seems to be an interesting question, I do believe that this thread is misplaced since you ask for something "that is not the KAISER"! :D

It might have been better placed in the GENERAL BOARD (http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=256)?

I'm looking for opinions from current kaiser owners since they'll know what I'm replacing. I want something better than a kaiser. Only a kaiser owner would know what that is.

I never use my softkeys so I don't think losing them would be an issue.

I guess the Fuze might be an option but the screen on that thing looks smaller than a fuze. I want a BIGGER screen :(

[nektoinphx]

Well, I upgraded from an 8525 to the Fuze, and am throughly dissapointed.

The screen is awesome, amount of memory is awesome, and the keyboard is awesome.

Everything else sucks. The hardware buttons at the bottom are extremely spotty. If you don't press the perfect spot, with the perfect amount of pressure, the device presses the wrong button for you.

http://http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=446246&highlight=hardware+buttons

I flashed to the Elite ROM, and that made things a little better in general, but the usability of the device is getting me down.

So I'm off to research the Tilt/Kaiser.

[Lev00]

I looked for what's the next upgrade after the Tilt/Kaiser but didn't find anything worthy. I think much of this stems from just how significant the upgrade the Tilt/Kaiser was from it's previous models, the 8525 and 8125.

I looked at the Fuze but while it does have some additional features and speed, it's not the leap ahead that the Tilt/Kaiser was. The Touch HD which you already found is the only thing I also found that I'd consider a worthy successor. I thought of buying one and having it imported but from everything I read the radio won't work here in the USA.

So for now and the foreseeable future, I'm still on my Tilt.

[RacerX10]

I looked for what's the next upgrade after the Tilt/Kaiser but didn't find anything worthy. I think much of this stems from just how significant the upgrade the Tilt/Kaiser was from it's previous models, the 8525 and 8125.

I looked at the Fuze but while it does have some additional features and speed, it's not the leap ahead that the Tilt/Kaiser was. The Touch HD which you already found is the only thing I also found that I'd consider a worthy successor. I thought of buying one and having it imported but from everything I read the radio won't work here in the USA.

So for now and the foreseeable future, I'm still on my Tilt.

I think the radio works fine here, you just don't get 3G.

I'm not in a 3G area, so maybe I could overlook that. It seems like I tend to turn OFF 3G on those rare occasions when I am since it sucks the battery down so bad.

Touch HD looks very nice but maaaaaaaaan it's pricey !

[RacerX10]

Well, I upgraded from an 8525 to the Fuze, and am throughly dissapointed.

The screen is awesome, amount of memory is awesome, and the keyboard is awesome.

Everything else sucks. The hardware buttons at the bottom are extremely spotty. If you don't press the perfect spot, with the perfect amount of pressure, the device presses the wrong button for you.

http://http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=446246&highlight=hardware+buttons

I flashed to the Elite ROM, and that made things a little better in general, but the usability of the device is getting me down.

So I'm off to research the Tilt/Kaiser.

Thanks for your comments .. this is exactly the kind of stuff I was looking for !

[RacerX10]

I think the hardware for a G1 looks good, too bad it's running android and not winmo.

It's got everything I want. Nice display size, hardware keyboard, 3G support

:(

[maessen]

Nobody took a look at the Touch Pro(Raphael) or Sony X1 ?

[mikemorris]

Touch Pro is the Fuze, which was mentioned in the first post.

Racer i would look in the Raphael Forum and see if the problems/complaints are going to affect you terribly, from what i gather i'll be happy with the upgrade.

Best of luck!

-Mike

[RacerX10]

Nobody took a look at the Touch Pro(Raphael) or Sony X1 ?

Mentioned Touch Pro in first post (att fuze)

Not really much, if any, of an upgrade.

Sony X1 might be possible, but it's SOOOO darned expensive !

[wshader]

Another option would be an unlocked Palm Treo Pro.... runs win 6.1, decent phone, same specs as the tilt I believe

[trjons]

Thanks for your comments .. this is exactly the kind of stuff I was looking for !

I'm returning mine as well. The D-pad is useless when surfing the net, the keyboard is really cramped compared to the Tilt, and button placement very odd.

The screen is amazing and the amount of RAM phenomenal, but it isn't quite as fast as I'd hope for and there just aren't enough programmable buttons to make it useful for me.

[burtcom]

When my ETEN Glowfiish M700 died I spent weeks debating -- do I spend $600 for a new Tytn II or do I go for broke and get a Touch Pro for $900?

In the end, while the features of the Pro sounded very nice, I decided I just better save some money and get the kaiser.

Very impressed with the Kaiser so far. Video slowness not-withstanding it is still much more responsive than the Eten. And there is certainly tons of help, software recommendations and more available on these very forums :)

I recently came into a little extra money, so I could get the Pro now if I wanted to. But I'm going to keep the Kaiser and wait to see what the WM7 machines look like next year -- or should I say in two years :)

[P1Tater]

Perfectly happy with my Fuze. TF3D, VGA screen, abundant storage room, extremely fast and responsive, absolutely love the hardware KB (many more buttons without having to press the FN key) and more. Suffice it to say, I am extremely happy with my Fuze. Very much so.

[RacerX10]

Perfectly happy with my Fuze. TF3D, VGA screen, abundant storage room, extremely fast and responsive, absolutely love the hardware KB (many more buttons without having to press the FN key) and more. Suffice it to say, I am extremely happy with my Fuze. Very much so.

Guess I better just run over to ATT and play around with one (fuze). Maybe I'll like it better in person than I do in "spec sheet" :)

What phone did you trade from, P1Tater ?


Thanks !

[P1Tater]

Guess I better just run over to ATT and play around with one (fuze). Maybe I'll like it better in person than I do in "spec sheet" :)

What phone did you trade from, P1Tater ?


Thanks !

Tilt. Which I still have as a backup. Especially after my OIL fiasco.:)

EDIT:
Let me do say that the stock rom sucks. It is extremely slow and constantly lagging behind. I've flashed a new BlackStone radio and a custom rom and I absolutely love it. But let me emphasize, in the store, the Fuze is slow at best. It even has a ATT tab with all of their bloatware locked to that tab. However, NATF has already done a stock rom fixing most, if not all of the slow/laggy responsiveness. I have literally flashed every single rom already cooked for the Raphael/Fuze and found my favorite (today:D). This thing flies.

[scotchua]

Perfectly happy with my Fuze. TF3D, VGA screen, abundant storage room, extremely fast and responsive, absolutely love the hardware KB (many more buttons without having to press the FN key) and more. Suffice it to say, I am extremely happy with my Fuze. Very much so.

I agree, i'm completely satisfied with my upgrade to the fuze as well.

[AthenaLod]

the tilting screen is the biggest thing stopping me from upgrading to the fuze/touch pro from from the tilt/kaiser! i can just lay the tilt on any surface and watch whatever I want! useful for typing too. and the tilt/kaiser is the only HTC product with this feature! talk unique!

so, for anyone who upgraded tilt to the fuze, don't you guys miss the tilting screen?

[P1Tater]

the tilting screen is the biggest thing stopping me from upgrading to the fuze/touch pro from from the tilt/kaiser! i can just lay the tilt on any surface and watch whatever I want! useful for typing too. and the tilt/kaiser is the only HTC product with this feature! talk unique!

so, for anyone who upgraded tilt to the fuze, don't you guys miss the tilting screen?

Not one bit. Honestly.

[denco7]

X1 is supposed to hit US stores on " black friday " very sleek, does everything but, some people hate the panels. Needs a good looking at though.

From a pure " lemmings doing what they are told " standpoint and for pure entertainment, can't beat an iphone. ipod ,youtube, brainless games and apps. The wife has one and loves it.( We're Mac people ) Wouldn't want to try to be productive on , one but it is a great bauble.

[mech_supernova]

if you like your Kaiser so much you should just get another one for your mom, I love my Kaiser and I dont see my self trading up for a while especally if those drivers ever happin.

[RacerX10]

if you like your Kaiser so much you should just get another one for your mom, I love my Kaiser and I dont see my self trading up for a while especally if those drivers ever happin.

That's starting to look like the best plan. I just don't see anything better out there :(

[azuka]

If only the Touch HD tilts. Would have been a perfect replacement/upgrade to the Kaiser. But right now there is nothing out there that comes close. Hopefully one day HTC will make a real TYTN III that comes with all enhancements on the current Kaiser combined with those of the Touch HD.

[Junner2003]

Damn, how much I I would give for a Windows Mobile 6.x device with the shape of the good old HP Jornada 720 rather than this slide-out keyboard crap! :D

http://www.northstarcases.com/images/screenshots/HP%20Jornada.jpg

[wshader]

Does it have an external screen or do you have to flip it open everytime to view the caller id?

[tiltdeez]

I'm also happy with my fuze. I upgraded from the tilt and never really used the tilt screen.

[anoano]

The ASUS P565 seems promising, details here http://www.asus.com/news_show.aspx?id=13428. I don't know about the availability.

[Flying Kiwi]

I'm with AthenaLod on this one. Whats the point of having a slide out keyboard if when you put it on the table in front of you (eg when on the train), you cant see whats on the screen. That would make it a hopeless device for typing emails, watching videos and using GPS, the three things that I use my TyTN II for the most. Yes you can hold the device to do these things and I often do when navigating on foot for example but thats for just a few minutes. No way would I want to have to hold it to watch a recorded TV program or ripped DVD (albeit with less than ideal video playback capability).

Thank you HTC for not offering a better successor for the TyTN II. My phone can actually grow old before it's retired (nearly 14 months now) :D

[ajclai08]

I'm with AthenaLod on this one. Whats the point of having a slide out keyboard if when you put it on the table in front of you (eg when on the train), you cant see whats on the screen. That would make it a hopeless device for typing emails, watching videos and using GPS, the three things that I use my TyTN II for the most. Yes you can hold the device to do these things and I often do when navigating on foot for example but thats for just a few minutes. No way would I want to have to hold it to watch a recorded TV program or ripped DVD (albeit with less than ideal video playback capability).

Thank you HTC for not offering a better successor for the TyTN II. My phone can actually grow old before it's retired (nearly 14 months now) :D

I agree..unlike some other companies(Apple) HTC makes their devices unique and different from each other..even comparing old and new models..but not enough difference to kill one or the other..inless its the same type of phone like the Titan and kiaser. There will always be a reason to stick with your year old phone over the "upgrade". I dont think HTC intended this phone to replace the Kiaser...Only ATT thinks so ( for obvious money reasons) The Kiaser is one of the first HTC phones.. or phones period, to feature everything that PDA or smart phones absolutly need now..The Kiaser has Wifi, 3G+ data, GPS Chipset, more RAM, 12 front Keys(5 navigation keys, 5 programable keys, 2 softkeys) and 4 other side keys not including the scroll wheel.. the storage/sim card is easy to access on kiaser and qwerty keyboard with a 40 degree "tilting" screen..all negitives seem to carry over to the FUZE as well or most HTC phones for that matter.

The ATT Fuze isnt really considered a HTC PDA phone..even if it uses winmo pro... you can check the HTC site...the fuze is under their touch phone line and its more of a PDA/Touch Media phone hybrid..and lesss then a PDA power user the kiaser fills. Also..just because ATT believes this phone is the Tilt replacment...theres will always be people who believe having the phyiscal aspects of the TILT over the larger screen and slightly beefed up specs and G-sensor of the ATT fuze is a good enough reason to keep that 550$ or alot easier to wait for the that contract to come up.