Calls if only Wifi is on?

[morfic]

I just got off the phone with t-mobile, i asked my roaming rates if i use the phone in germany (on t-mobile, and still it roams, silly, but oh well)
And i was told i could just make calls if i find a hotspot or just any unsecured wifi connection.
So i was thinking, cool, sounds like t-mobile@home, he agreed, so i'm actually trying this, turn of phone, keeping only wifi on, and what happens when i dial any number? Of course it tells me the phone is off and if i want to turn it on, so can i use the dash on a wifi connection to make voice calls, or was the t-mobile guy just confusing me?

Thanks if anyone could shed some light on this,

Daniel

[tuppaacc]

I just got off the phone with t-mobile, i asked my roaming rates if i use the phone in germany (on t-mobile, and still it roams, silly, but oh well)
And i was told i could just make calls if i find a hotspot or just any unsecured wifi connection.
So i was thinking, cool, sounds like t-mobile@home, he agreed, so i'm actually trying this, turn of phone, keeping only wifi on, and what happens when i dial any number? Of course it tells me the phone is off and if i want to turn it on, so can i use the dash on a wifi connection to make voice calls, or was the t-mobile guy just confusing me?

Thanks if anyone could shed some light on this,

Daniel

hahahahahaha You are sooooo lost! you dont know how the network works and i'd bet your paying big time for phone service hahaha oh man thats funy..... ok ok ill tell you how it works its called VOIP or Voice Over Internet Protocol meaning you will use the internet for making phone calls such as a wifi connection ever heard of phone company VONAGE ? (if your american) well its something like that you will need an internet connection such as a wifi connection and you will only be able to make call when you are connected to to THAT wifi connection you cannot go around and make calls because you will get disconnected from the wifi after you got connected to a wifi spot you will need a service provider I sudgest www.skype.com actually skype rocks its really cheap its like 3 dlls for unlimited usa and 10 dlls for unlimited world or you can get prepaid after that you will need to subcribe and download skype for windows mobile smatphone install the app acess your skype acc and then make a phone call on your wifi network.........

that should save you some money however the thing that sucks about it its that you need to have a wifi connection for it to work or you can get edge or 3g network but you cant i think if your not on your home area....

I sudgest getting your phone sim unlock you can get one for free by contacting tmobile ask for a sim unlock and just use a local sim card you would pay much less than with roaming and you would not need a wifi connections to make phone calls.

if you got more questions just poste hope it helps.......

[themitch]

I obtained a t-mobile dash recently and I am having a similar issue. The phone recognizes my sim card, but will not connect to t-mobile's network. If, however I have wireless on, my phone will make calls, and naturally internet. I am not entirely sure what is going on here, but using an access point for calls actually does work.

[Bupahs]

themitch - Considering the HTC Dash will not work on the T-Mobile hotspot service and will not make VOIP calls without considerable modifications (unless you install skype or another third party voip client) you are blowing smoke. The HTC Dash simply does not have the software or the hardware to connect to a wifi hotspot for calls without help. :mad:

Now you can modify the Dash to work on the T-Mo at home service (and other wifi networks) but it requires installing some files, editing the registry and knowing how to hack your router to get the required information out of it to enter into your Dash.

Anyway,

[themitch]

Bupahs:

I am not blowing smoke. I did not mean to suggest it was using the hotspot@home service, simply that my dash only functions properly if connected to a wireless access point. I do not know how I could prove this to you. I seriously doubt it is using the wireless for anything but internet, but as I said before, the phone detects the network after, and only after, I turn the wireless on. Also, once the wireless is turned off, the phoneceases to make/receive calls, surf the internet, etc. If you could kindly explain how that could be I would love to hear back from you.

[stylez]

Bupahs:

I am not blowing smoke. I did not mean to suggest it was using the hotspot@home service, simply that my dash only functions properly if connected to a wireless access point. I do not know how I could prove this to you. I seriously doubt it is using the wireless for anything but internet, but as I said before, the phone detects the network after, and only after, I turn the wireless on. Also, once the wireless is turned off, the phoneceases to make/receive calls, surf the internet, etc. If you could kindly explain how that could be I would love to hear back from you.

Have you done a hard-reset or tryed another ROM?

[Bupahs]

Bupahs:

I am not blowing smoke. I did not mean to suggest it was using the hotspot@home service, simply that my dash only functions properly if connected to a wireless access point. I do not know how I could prove this to you. I seriously doubt it is using the wireless for anything but internet, but as I said before, the phone detects the network after, and only after, I turn the wireless on. Also, once the wireless is turned off, the phoneceases to make/receive calls, surf the internet, etc. If you could kindly explain how that could be I would love to hear back from you.

The Dash does not have the hardware or software to make calls over the internet or wifi (without considerable help) not to mention the EDGE / GPRS network is specifically designed to make this next to impossible to happen.

Are you sure your not turning on and off the PHONE radio, turning on the wifi will NOT detect a GSM or EDGE network the hardware in the phone does not work that way.

Now it is possible you have the one in a billion HTC Dashes that can do this lol but I doubt it. Proof? its called Video bro, take a video of what your phone does and share it up ;)

[cya]

I've been using VoIP (Internet Calling) over wifi on my Dash for months. I've tested several VoIP providers and have had very little setup issues. Currently my provider is Gizmo which has been great. I have tweeked the registry so my wifi connection is G (as opposed to B) and have tested at numerous cafes that offer free access. The overall quality is very useable but not the quality of that of cell service.

cya
PS It took me more time to get the attached clip made than to setup the VoIP

[Bupahs]

I've been using VoIP (Internet Calling) over wifi on my Dash for months. I've tested several VoIP providers and have had very little setup issues. Currently my provider is Gizmo which has been great. I have tweeked the registry so my wifi connection is G (as opposed to B) and have tested at numerous cafes that offer free access. The overall quality is very useable but not the quality of that of cell service.

cya
PS It took me more time to get the attached clip made than to setup the VoIP

We know it can be done, whats being 'debated' here is whether the topic starters out of the box Dash is doing it with no modifications and if so why. :cool:

Paying attention to whats being discussed helps ya know :rolleyes:

[stylez]

I give up reading as just persumed he could only talk celular "not voip", when wi-fi is on...???

[cya]

I just got off the phone with t-mobile, i asked my roaming rates if i use the phone in germany (on t-mobile, and still it roams, silly, but oh well)
And i was told i could just make calls if i find a hotspot or just any unsecured wifi connection.
So i was thinking, cool, sounds like t-mobile@home, he agreed, so i'm actually trying this, turn of phone, keeping only wifi on, and what happens when i dial any number? Of course it tells me the phone is off and if i want to turn it on, so can i use the dash on a wifi connection to make voice calls, or was the t-mobile guy just confusing me?

Thanks if anyone could shed some light on this,

Daniel

My post was in direct response to morfic's question in post #1 ... "so can i use the dash on a wifi connection to make voice calls".

Bottom line Daniel is that you have options for wifi voice calls. Setup a Skype, Fring, or similar 3rd party software account or setup up a SIP account like Gizmo, install two or three readily available cabs and use the Internet Calling feature MS designed into the operating system.

cya

[Bupahs]

My post was in direct response to morfic's question in post #1 ... "so can i use the dash on a wifi connection to make voice calls".

Bottom line Daniel is that you have options for wifi voice calls. Setup a Skype, Fring, or similar 3rd party software account or setup up a SIP account like Gizmo, install two or three readily available cabs and use the Internet Calling feature MS designed into the operating system.

cya

And as stated you can not make VOIP calls with out system modifications, as you show here (and as I stated) you need to install third party applications and cab files which modify the HTC Dash system. Thus, the answer is NO the T-Mobile rep is quite wrong, the HTC Dash as recieved from T-Mobile will NOT make WiFi / VOIP calls out of the box.

I would be nice if you did not attempt to confuse the facts, it makes communicating with others difficult.

[cya]

Bupahs you may think there's a debate about "out of the box" VoIP but my read of morfic's thread starting post is that of a guy that wants to know if it's possible to eliminate roaming charges in Germany by making use of wifi calling.

In your own words "Paying attention to whats being discussed helps ya know" and "I(t) would be nice if you did not attempt to confuse the facts, it makes communicating with others difficult" .... just my read but I don't see morfic (Daniel) asking about "knowing how to hack your router to get the required information out of it to enter into your Dash" ... only morfic can comment but I'm guessing that he’d just like to get a simple answer to his initial question.

cya
ps just another guess ... but I'm expecting another of your demeaning "put down posts", that seems to be your style

[Bupahs]

Bupahs you may think there's a debate about "out of the box" VoIP but my read of morfic's thread starting post is that of a guy that wants to know if it's possible to eliminate roaming charges in Germany by making use of wifi calling.

In your own words "Paying attention to whats being discussed helps ya know" and "I(t) would be nice if you did not attempt to confuse the facts, it makes communicating with others difficult" .... just my read but I don't see morfic (Daniel) asking about "knowing how to hack your router to get the required information out of it to enter into your Dash" ... only morfic can comment but I'm guessing that he’d just like to get a simple answer to his initial question.

cya
ps just another guess ... but I'm expecting another of your demeaning "put down posts", that seems to be your style

Happy to oblige ya then.

See morfic said "I just got off the phone with t-mobile, i asked my roaming rates if i use the phone in germany (on t-mobile, and still it roams, silly, but oh well) And i was told i could just make calls if i find a hotspot or just any unsecured wifi connection.

As stated time and time again, the T-Mobile rep is wrong no HTC Dash sold will work out of the box over IP (voip) nor will it work on the Hotspot, nor will you be able to circumvent roaming by connecting over WiFi for calls, it cant happen. As further evidence that this is the topic of 'debate' themitch said he had a similar problem, thus this promted the entire rest of the discussion where I already stated you need to modify the Dash and use third party software, something a T-Mobile rep will never recommend nor suggest you do... not to mention I did say to you "We know it can be done, whats being 'debated' here is whether the topic starters out of the box Dash is doing it with no modifications and if so why."

so just where does your oh so unnecessary replies come in here? You simply restated what was already stated and it was not relevant to the actual discussion that themitch, morfic and I were having... so yeah, pay attention.. it helps :rolleyes:

[cya]

Bupahs you didn’t disappoint …. semi-creative use of morfic’s setup information to expound your superior knowledge and the tmobile guy’s perceived misinformation. morfic’s “sounds like t-mobile@home” leaves a little room for some benefit of the doubt for the tmo rep ... I’d bet we could find more than a few reps that understand how the system works. Without the benefit of a transcript of morfic’s phone conversation it’s a stretch to imply he was told specifically that VoIP was an “out of the box” option. Just a wild guess here but maybe that’s why morfic asked “so can i use the dash on a wifi connection to make voice calls”. I’ll just wait for him to decide if he wants to setup Internet Calling or use some 3rd party software. If he should decide to go the Internet Calling route I’ll gladly provide the cabs if he so requests. Bupahs, “so yeah, pay attention.. it helps” and I’ll leave you and your condescending comments to yourself.

cya
ps morfic I feel your pain … I got the $429 bill my daughter ran up using her phone when she was in France for 10 days … I made sure that didn’t happen again when she went back for 4 months by sending her with a phone setup to take advantage of VoIP using wifi. Just so you know the quality of the call was in direct relationship to the quality of the wifi connection.

[themitch]

Stylez- That is correct. I will repeat again for Bupahs' benefit that I am not claiming to be using voip. I have installed several different WM variations, and in every case, the phone only detects the t-mobile network after I turn on the wireless-g connection. I am assuming this is some kind of hardware malfunction at this point, but I am hoping someone knows more about these phones can explain what is going on and how I can fix it.

Oh, and yes, I am smart enough to know the difference between the phone radio and the wireless button in the com manager Bupahs. I have owned several pda's and smartphones, and I know the difference. You may think I am stupid, but since I have not and do not claim to be using voip, your comments are unnecessary. I need help, not some jerk telling me I am blowing smoke. I will post a video for you after I get the phone put back together, as I have disassembled it to see if something is shorted on the panel or something. Hopefully that will satisfy you.

[Bupahs]

Bupahs you didn’t disappoint …. semi-creative use of morfic’s setup information to expound your superior knowledge and the tmobile guy’s perceived misinformation. morfic’s “sounds like t-mobile@home” leaves a little room for some benefit of the doubt for the tmo rep ... I’d bet we could find more than a few reps that understand how the system works. Without the benefit of a transcript of morfic’s phone conversation it’s a stretch to imply he was told specifically that VoIP was an “out of the box” option. Just a wild guess here but maybe that’s why morfic asked “so can i use the dash on a wifi connection to make voice calls”. I’ll just wait for him to decide if he wants to setup Internet Calling or use some 3rd party software. If he should decide to go the Internet Calling route I’ll gladly provide the cabs if he so requests. Bupahs, “so yeah, pay attention.. it helps” and I’ll leave you and your condescending comments to yourself.

cya
ps morfic I feel your pain … I got the $429 bill my daughter ran up using her phone when she was in France for 10 days … I made sure that didn’t happen again when she went back for 4 months by sending her with a phone setup to take advantage of VoIP using wifi. Just so you know the quality of the call was in direct relationship to the quality of the wifi connection.

Aww thats cute.

Its not a wild leap if you actually read what he wrote. Obviously the T-Mo rep thought the Dash was set up for use on the WiFi @Home service (like many of T-Mos current phones) and gave incorrect information. I cleared it up for him that its not and wont make voip calls without help. You got your feelings hurt when it was pointed out your not contributing to the discussion. Using 'big words' now is not helping your case.

[Bupahs]

Stylez- That is correct. I will repeat again for Bupahs' benefit that I am not claiming to be using voip. I have installed several different WM variations, and in every case, the phone only detects the t-mobile network after I turn on the wireless-g connection. I am assuming this is some kind of hardware malfunction at this point, but I am hoping someone knows more about these phones can explain what is going on and how I can fix it.

Oh, and yes, I am smart enough to know the difference between the phone radio and the wireless button in the com manager Bupahs. I have owned several pda's and smartphones, and I know the difference. You may think I am stupid, but since I have not and do not claim to be using voip, your comments are unnecessary. I need help, not some jerk telling me I am blowing smoke. I will post a video for you after I get the phone put back together, as I have disassembled it to see if something is shorted on the panel or something. Hopefully that will satisfy you.

I guess you forgot you made the claim "The phone recognizes my sim card, but will not connect to t-mobile's network. If, however I have wireless on, my phone will make calls, and naturally internet. I am not entirely sure what is going on here, but using an access point for calls actually does work." Now that would seem you are saying what you wrote, that your Dash makes calls over the access point, in other words WiFi. What you wrote here clearly infers your Newly acquired Dash makes voip calls and not normal radio calls. Perhaps you should take more care in what you write to avoid this type of miscommunication in the future huh?

A video would be great.. lets see if it ever surfaces lol

[themitch]

A miscommunication I have repeatedly attempted to clear up, yet you are still being an ass. Don't you have anything better to do?

[Bupahs]

A miscommunication I have repeatedly attempted to clear up, yet you are still being an ass. Don't you have anything better to do?

Umm yeah, whats next your daddy can beat up my daddy? lol

Whatever.

[themitch]

No, I was thinking more since I have realized my original statement was in error, but I still have a problem that you can help with the problem or go away. You are right that voip does not work out of the box, and I was wrong to think that might be working. Yay! Good for you. Now that I know that is not happening, I still have a phone that does not find t-mobile's network when the phone radio is on until after I turn the wireless radio on. If you have any idea what is causing this, please do tell. Otherwise go berate the people who are stealing internet from t-mobile some more. Please and thank you.

[themitch]

Oh, and I put the phone back together and made that video for you. It is too large a file for either my flickr account or this forum, so any ideas would be appreciated. the video is a 122mb avi file

[stylez]

Oh, and I put the phone back together and made that video for you. It is too large a file for either my flickr account or this forum, so any ideas would be appreciated. the video is a 122mb avi file

Recode it to .mp4 320x240 and then put it on YouTube if under 10mins or just place on a hosting site like Mediafire\4shared etc.
Anyway did you try a hard-reset?

[Bupahs]

No, I was thinking more since I have realized my original statement was in error, but I still have a problem that you can help with the problem or go away. You are right that voip does not work out of the box, and I was wrong to think that might be working. Yay! Good for you. Now that I know that is not happening, I still have a phone that does not find t-mobile's network when the phone radio is on until after I turn the wireless radio on. If you have any idea what is causing this, please do tell. Otherwise go berate the people who are stealing internet from t-mobile some more. Please and thank you.

Well, since the hardware only "communicates" via software it would have to be software related. I would start at the obvious beginning and look through the registry specifically the HKLM\Drivers\ specifically for wlan, and radio and HKLM\Comm\ConnMgr it could be a bum chip, in which case phone is useless, but I doubt it

But without having the device in my hands there is little I (or anyone can do)

The quick and easy way to see if it is software related and not a bum chip.. flash it

Yeah, I hate people that steal service and make me have to pay for it.. you have a problem with that?

[themitch]

Stylez- I have hard reset many times, and reflashed firmware to several variations both stock and those cooked by members on this site. All have the same problem.

Bupahs- I will start pouring through the registry later this afternoon and looking for what you suggested. Though I am leaning towards bum chip since the problem seems to be software independent.

[themitch]

Here is a link to that video...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qd5ML9LjOI0

[Bupahs]

Here is a link to that video...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qd5ML9LjOI0

SIM card, a quick call to T-Mo confirms it. Your SIM card is either the older version or defective, if you have not upgraded your SIM card in the last tow to three years (they do this for free at T-Mobile) you can get all sorts of unpredictable behavior, and according to their "tips sheet" this is one of them.