iPhone

[denco7]

Just came across this in the HDIII thread

Laughed out loud

New 3G iPhone review
Click here (http://www.camiguin.us/iphone.jpg)

[dimka1989]

omg soooooo funny and so true haha :D:D:D

[sheennick123456]

MOVE ASIDE GUYS LET ME DO THE REVIEW


http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/7315/atgaaad2ncopg4tcl0gjf4zdj6.jpg

[JimmyMcGee]

http://img59.imageshack.us/img59/7638/macbookcommodorecomparetw4.jpg

[sheennick123456]

oops sorry didnt know the pic in the 1st post is the same

hehe even i got this pic and posted it without checking 1st post :)

[Ather]

http://img59.imageshack.us/img59/7638/macbookcommodorecomparetw4.jpg
ROFL!! (the damn thing tells me to write atleast 10 chars)

I HATE APPLE!

[rorydaredkign]

I love those pictures
But I have to wonder why people keep making threads about the phone they hate so much...
R

[DaveShaw]

I love those pictures
But I have to wonder why people keep making threads about the phone they hate so much...
R

Because iPhone fanbois love it so much and it can't do any wrong in thier eyes. :p

Dave

[hotrod101]

This is funny stuff but have already seen it already months ago. I like the macbook air one (have not seen it yet)

[Menneisyys]

I like the macbook air one (have not seen it yet)

Me too. It's stated to have a damn good (not a plain TFT film) screen - dunno if it's an IPS one.

[dzelaya18]

Because iPhone fanbois love it so much and it can't do any wrong in thier eyes. :p

Dave

Yes, the Apple fan boi's are an annoying bunch...but how many WM users here are just as fanatical? Just try and threaten the superiority of WM and watch the flaming begin. I'll probably get beat up and get my lunch money taken away just for mentioning this.

I have both. I'm an OS Agnostic. But many, many are not...

[mikeeey]

ROFL!! (the damn thing tells me to write atleast 10 chars)

I HATE APPLE!
haha I'm with you there!

on another one of my forum's one user said:
"I'm sorry. iPhones < WinMo"

then another user replies:

"LMAO I beg to differ!!!


1.Iphone is the top selling smartphone of 08
2. 3rd Party Apps
3.most advanced touchscreen yet invented and implemented into a phone


Those are only a few reasons that they are better!

Lets hear about winmo?"


lol it's funny when people think so highly of the iphone.

[orb3000]

MOVE ASIDE GUYS LET ME DO THE REVIEW


http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/7315/atgaaad2ncopg4tcl0gjf4zdj6.jpg

LOL!!!!

It´s more than hilarious!!! hahaha!

[Menneisyys]

lol it's funny when people think so highly of the iphone.

well, actually, at least for 1, Web browsing 2, gaming, the iPhone is (way) better than WinMo... (I know both platforms extremely well before you ask me.. :))

[mikeeey]

well, actually, at least for 1, Web browsing 2, gaming, the iPhone is (way) better than WinMo... (I know both platforms extremely well before you ask me.. :))
It's been how many years since the release of the HTC tornado? 3 or 4 years? Back when I had my sda.. when I pictured 3 or 4 years into the future I expected much better gaming. I pictured Full speed GBA, maybe even PS1. The performance has not improved in 3 or 4 years now! it's goten worse! I think the only reason why the iphone is better is because HTC is making it look good. If HTC would have continued to progress in performance we'd probably be matched or better than the iphone.
That's just my take on it lol.

[Kraize]

While the WM platform is more oriented towards the business department, the iPhoney is more oriented towards the young, "hip" generation. I personally say the iPhone is good at what it doesn, and if somehow, someone, hacked it and got tf3d and winmo apps running on it, I'm sold. The OS is just built so muc hbetter. But it bugs me that people want the iPhoney interface >.> I mean it's just a fancy application launcher with big round shiny buttons. What's so cool about that?

[Tabbe]

i remember a song that sing this way
[the "apple" tree that grew for u and me. I watch the "apples" falling one-by-one.]
john lennon is the first to test apple products but also the first to see it fall.

[orb3000]

While the WM platform is more oriented towards the business department, the iPhoney is more oriented towards the young, "hip" generation. I personally say the iPhone is good at what it doesn, and if somehow, someone, hacked it and got tf3d and winmo apps running on it, I'm sold. The OS is just built so muc hbetter. But it bugs me that people want the iPhoney interface >.> I mean it's just a fancy application launcher with big round shiny buttons. What's so cool about that?

Completly agree mate

[Menneisyys]

It's been how many years since the release of the HTC tornado? 3 or 4 years? Back when I had my sda.. when I pictured 3 or 4 years into the future I expected much better gaming. I pictured Full speed GBA, maybe even PS1. The performance has not improved in 3 or 4 years now! it's goten worse! I think the only reason why the iphone is better is because HTC is making it look good. If HTC would have continued to progress in performance we'd probably be matched or better than the iphone.
That's just my take on it lol.

Absolutely agreed. the WinMo platform has had GREAT gaming potential since 2004 (the intel 2700g-based x50v). Too bad Microsoft / HTC didn't bother making the platform a viable gaming platform for games developers. This is why iPhone has blown out of the water the entire WM platform when it comes to gaming.

[GWelker62]

Well let me throw my 2-3 pence in.....

I recently purchased a iPhoney for my oldest son. And one of the rules of him having it is daddy gets to play with it....... to evaluate it of course. ;) My original assessment of the phone from when it first came out hasn't changed. Neither platform (iPhone or WM) is better than the other. The iPhone is far better at being a "toy" and WM is far better at being a "tool". Whose hands you put either phone in determines which one will be better than the other. In my hands (where I need my phone to work like a laptop) an iPhone may be fun to play with, but it just won't cut it in the functionality I need on a daily bases. Put a WM phone in my son's or wife's hands (where all they care about is ease of use, email/texting, music/video, web surfing, games) it is far too complicated for them to ever make full use of the phone.

No doubt the iPhone is one kick ass phone for what it was designed to do. And that is to fulfill the wants of the simple minded masses with the before mentioned functions. The iPhone has the edge in those categories. Some of the things I need in a phone and the iPhone lacks:

1. No bluetooth A2DP
2. No way to explore files
3. No seperate keyboard
4. No native support for Office docs
5. No native way to shoot video
6. No MMS
7. No tethering
8. No USB memory simulation
9. No copy/paste
10. No multi tasking of apps
11. No removable battery
12. No replaceable memory card

I'm with some of the rest of you guys when it comes to iPhone fan bois/gurlz. They completely bought in to Job's "revolutionary" hype so much it makes me gag. Of course there are your WM fanners, but they are not so much the "sheeple" like the Apple lovers.

[behrouz]

Iphone Users - Happy with whatever Steve Jobs gives them.

WinMo Users - Too much is never enough.

Android Users - ...... off in their own little world.

[kyphur]

I have to confess, I'm a recent iPhone convert (it's a long story)..

I've never hated iPhone, just always felt it wasn't the platform for me.

Recently my life goals have changed and I want simplicity where I've always enjoyed customizability.

Here is the rundown of the 12 issues posted earlier on a Jailbroken iPhone 3G

1. No bluetooth A2DP TRUE
2. No way to explore files unoffical apps for this
3. No seperate keyboard there is an add-on wireless keyboard
4. No native support for Office docs unoffical apps for this
5. No native way to shoot video unoffical apps for this
6. No MMS unoffical apps for this
7. No tethering unoffical apps for this
8. No USB memory simulation unoffical apps for this
9. No copy/paste unoffical apps for this
10. No multi tasking of apps unoffical apps for this
11. No removable battery TRUE
12. No replaceable memory card TRUE

I don't know why Turn By Turn GPS didn't make the list but it is my biggest concern. The GPS application is simply Google Maps and that is annoying. TomTom actually wrote their app for iPhone but Apple hasn't approved it.

Now some might say this isn't a good comparison because you have to Jailbreak the iPhone but remember that it's equal to flashing a cooked rom.

In the end it's not about which is better but rather which fits your need at the time.

[DaveShaw]

I have to confess, I'm a recent iPhone convert (it's a long story)..

snip...

Now some might say this isn't a good comparison because you have to Jailbreak the iPhone but remember that it's equal to flashing a cooked rom.

In the end it's not about which is better but rather which fits your need at the time.

The iPhone was built from the ground up to be an "iPhone", where as WM is just patched Windows CE from the old iPaq days, at the bottom level, it just isn't meant to be a phone OS.
I hope WM7 addresses some of the gaps between the Phone and the Windows Mobile, without killing the Windows side of things.

And jailbreaking / flashing might be the same, but you don't need to flash an WM device to use custom 3rd party apps.

Ta
Dave

[kyphur]

But unlike iPhone, you generally have to flash a Cooked Rom to get the kind of proformance that we want :eek:

So I would say that are the same (just in a different way).

And jailbreaking / flashing might be the same, but you don't need to flash an WM device to use custom 3rd party apps

[P1Tater]

Now now BOYS.

My DEVICE is still bigger than both of yours.:p

[DaveShaw]

Now now BOYS.

My DEVICE is still bigger than both of yours.:p

Boys and their toys eh :)

Dave

[kyphur]

Let's not continue THAT conversation here!!!!

Now now BOYS.

My DEVICE is still bigger than both of yours.:p

[P1Tater]

Let's not continue THAT conversation here!!!!

Sorry, couldn't resist.

Back on topic guys. My fault for getting off topic.

2 month ban for me.:D

[Menneisyys]

Guys, get an iPhone 3G along with your WinMo phones and use both for what they really excel at. The iPhone is simply unbeatable at some areas (gaming and probably even Web browsing).

[GWelker62]

I have to confess, I'm a recent iPhone convert (it's a long story)..
You heretic... :p
Here is the rundown of the 12 issues posted earlier on a Jailbroken iPhone 3G

1. No bluetooth A2DP TRUE
2. No way to explore files unoffical apps for this <-Voids Warranty
3. No seperate keyboard there is an add-on wireless keyboard <-Would this really be an acceptable compromise?
4. No native support for Office docs unoffical apps for this <-Voids Warranty
5. No native way to shoot video unoffical apps for this <-Voids Warranty
6. No MMS unoffical apps for this <-Voids Warranty
7. No tethering unoffical apps for this <-Voids Warranty
8. No USB memory simulation unoffical apps for this <-Voids Warranty
9. No copy/paste unoffical apps for this <-Voids Warranty
10. No multi tasking of apps unoffical apps for this <-Voids Warranty
11. No removable battery TRUE
12. No replaceable memory card TRUE

I don't know why Turn By Turn GPS didn't make the list but it is my biggest concern. The GPS application is simply Google Maps and that is annoying. TomTom actually wrote their app for iPhone but Apple hasn't approved it.
I missed the limited GPS navigation.... thanks, I'll add that to my list. And I need to add no support for DRM music files. This list may grow the more I play with it.
Now some might say this isn't a good comparison because you have to Jailbreak the iPhone but remember that it's equal to flashing a cooked rom.
It's not a good comparison. My comparison is out the box and adding legitimate third party apps without voiding a warranty. However, if we are just comparing "jailbreaking" to "cooked roms", then those would be the same in my opinion. Now don’t get me wrong, I will mod and hack just like anybody else. I just want to keep it an apples to apples comparison. *No pun intended* :rolleyes:
In the end it's not about which is better but rather which fits your need at the time.
This is my point exactly. I will always avoid bashing the iPhone because I think it is a great phone. But I will never pass up an opportunity to bash the iPhone fan boyz. :D:cool:

[orb3000]

I do not hate Iphone, and as Menneisyys says, I used both and then I realize that I needed a WM phone because I wanted to have only one device that cover all areas I wanted: Phone, music, agenda, internet, etc with a high customization range.
So I decided to keep a WM phone and get rid of the Iphone, but it is in fact a great device for what is build for and nothing else.

[GWelker62]

Just so I’m fair, let me list the things a really like about the iPhone. And this is an “out the box” look at it.

1. Safari web browsing is second to none. (still better than Skyfire IMHO)
2. User interface is the best I’ve used (and very responsive)
3. Navigation is the easiest I’ve used.
4. Set ups/configurations is the easiest I’ve seen
5. Camera is far better than what I’ve seen on WinMo
6. Multi touch screen is Scha-weet! Finger friendly, so no need for stylus
7. Zooming
8. App store (just the whole browsing and loading apps is just too easy)
9. A few apps in particular, like the MySpace and YouTube apps.
10. Accelerometer (adjusts the screen for you as you tilt it) and comes into use with some of the games.
11. And of course gaming is far better than on WinMo


That’s all I can think of for now. :)

[theclueless]

while you are bashing the iphone to the ground, what makes you different from the apple fanboys praising iphone 2nd to none?

[rorydaredkign]

What you have said (very coherently and un-argumentatively I must say) in teh past few pages is just excellent. No abuse in an iphone thread for the first time ever. But what you users with both iPhones and WM phones have said is the same as me. I had WM, then UIQ and WM, lost my P1i and thought may as well try an iPhone, saves carrying my athena and ipod nano. Got it and never looked back. I never used WM to its full potential, only for calendar and a bit of web, and my iPhone combines my iphone, email and calendar perfectly.
Still got my Athena though :)
R

[theclueless]

Actually the above few posts are not really bashing the iPhone. OK we like to have a laugh, but we all realise the iPhone has some really good qualities and their marketing is second to none.

Mike

well, im sure if ppl start digging around the apple advertising budget, they wont be showing the vista advertising budget ad anymore :D

[Menneisyys]

<-Voids Warranty


You can always (OK, 98% of the time - if it's not the socket that is damaged - or the OS itself) flash back the original ROM if you need to take the iPhone back to repair. That is, jailbreaking is almost absolutely safe.

[kyphur]

Yes, that is one advantage I'll give WinMo Devices (specifically with removable Flash Media). You can flash back original Rom (but not SPL!) if you damage the mini USB socket.

I have to say, I'm impressed that this thread hasn't degraded into a flame war from either side. This must be the most even handed "iPhone Discussion" Thread on XDA-Devs.

You can always (OK, 98% of the time - if it's not the socket that is damaged - or the OS itself) flash back the original ROM if you need to take the iPhone back to repair. That is, jailbreaking is almost absolutely safe.

[DaveShaw]

Yes, that is one advantage I'll give WinMo Devices (specifically with removable Flash Media). You can flash back original Rom (but not SPL!) if you damage the mini USB socket.

I have to say, I'm impressed that this thread hasn't degraded into a flame war from either side. This must be the most even handed "iPhone Discussion" Thread on XDA-Devs.

That's because it's mostly mods doing the posting :p

Also, there are some trick's in the making for flashing SPL's without USB... :)

Dave

[GWelker62]

That's because it's mostly mods doing the posting :p
Dave

Wow...... I'm a "mostly mod" now. I feel so special. :D

[Ather]

LOL, i was wondering the same thing..this is the only post regarding iphone i have seen going to Page :5 :eek:

[owziee]

How can anybody actually buy this [KEEPING IT POLITE]!?

* No way to send/recieve files via bluetooth!
* No way to forward SMS
* No way to do Video calls.
* No copy/paste
* No MMS
* No way to record a video (except with some 3rd party apps)
* Super crappy 2 mpx camera without auto focus!
* No FM radio
* No built in true file explorer
* Blah blah blah...
* No easy multitasking

It's only advantage is a cool ui and some nice games in the app store...

Wake up Apple this is 2009! the iPhone feels so 1990's... I gave my girlfriend one for christmas, she had fun with it for about a week, now she wants her Sony Ericsson C702 back!

[DaveShaw]

How can anybody actually buy this [KEEPING IT POLITE]!?

* No way to send/recieve files via bluetooth!
* No way to forward SMS
* No way to do Video calls.
* No copy/paste
* No MMS
* No way to record a video (except with some 3rd party apps)
* Super crappy 2 mpx camera without auto focus!
* No FM radio
* No built in true file explorer
* Blah blah blah...
* No easy multitasking

It's only advantage is a cool ui and some nice games in the app store...

Wake up Apple this is 2009! the iPhone feels so 1990's... I gave my girlfriend one for christmas, she had fun with it for about a week, now she wants her Sony Ericsson C702 back!

Most of these points were answered a few posts ago: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=3129812&postcount=22

Ta
Dave

[owziee]

Well the unofficial apps for multitasking stinks in comparision to the ones for wm... And the MMS app doesn't work in my country yet, we tried but couldn't get it working at least.

Should anybody really need to install [KEEPING IT POLITE] 3rd party versions of these basic features in a phone nowadays? And you even need to hack the iphone to be able to install them.

[kyphur]

First, a gentle reminder to keep it civil in here. No name calling or such, we're all mature enough for a conversation.

Second, I'll repeat myself regarding the point that we basically have to hack WinMo to get the proformance we want from it so one could basically say the same thing regarding WinMo Devices.

I won't say that I'm lost to WinMo Devices but my experience with the Fuze (six weeks & two devices of living HELL just trying to maintain bacis functionality) was enough to convinve me to drop over $1,000 on 3 iPhones and sit this round out.

Ironically to the iPhone community my iPhone is "Extremely Customized" but to my WinMo buddies it is barely changed!

Again it comes down to filling a need.

Backgrounder is a great little app to allow programs to continue running in the background and it requires no techical skills (unless you consider knowing how to execute a "long press" of the home button a technical skill).

Swirly MMS works spot on for me. I do wish it supported deleting messages but that's a minor complaint.


Well the unofficial apps for multitasking stinks in comparision to the ones for wm... And the MMS app doesn't work in my country yet, we tried but couldn't get it working at least.

Should anybody really need to install [KEEPING IT POLITE] 3rd party versions of these basic features in a phone nowadays? And you even need to hack the iphone to be able to install them.

[AllTheWay]

Second, I'll repeat myself regarding the point that we basically have to hack WinMo to get the proformance we want from it so one could basically say the same thing regarding WinMo Devices.

Couldn't the same be said of automobiles?


I won't say that I'm lost to WinMo Devices but my experience with the Fuze (six weeks & two devices of living HELL just trying to maintain bacis functionality) was enough to convinve me to drop over $1,000 on 3 iPhones and sit this round out.

I don't blame you. Once Qualcomm is no longer the chipset manufacture I guarantee you will see an improvement in quality products. I also recommend you get your hands on a Samsung Omnia somehow, and give that a whirl. I think you will be pleasantly surprised.

I just hope your not basing your disappointment solely on HTC. There are also other quality Windows Mobile devices out there.


Some People know that I am a stringent apple hater. Though I do give apple credit for what they are good at.



Marketing - If anybody thinks that Apple is not #1 in marketing then you need to check yourself.
User Friendly - Apple prides itself on user friendly. If you want a phone that you can just pick up and start to play with then the iphone is for you.
Pricing - Though the iPhone is expensive for what most people would pay for cell phones its still very reasonably priced (through a mobile carrier) in comparison to other top WM devices.

I've always refereed to Apple as Sheeple. SOME people who buy Apple do so because it's the hip and cool thing to do at the time. I honestly think that if a Windows Mobile user showed an iphone user all the applications / functionality that a Windows Mobile phone can do they would be pleasantly surprised.

If you want a phone that can play your iTunes and you can just pick up and go an not think about anything then it's for you.

[GWelker62]

Second, I'll repeat myself regarding the point that we basically have to hack WinMo to get the proformance we want from it so one could basically say the same thing regarding WinMo Devices.

I think owziee still has a valid point when it comes to "out the box" functionality and having to "hack/mod" a iPhone to get some basic functions that WinMo has.

[kyphur]

Of course that's a valid point, counter-point is that not everyone needs or cares for some of those functions.

* No way to send/recieve files via bluetooth! <--- I always disabled this anyway.
* No way to forward SMS <--- Can't remember the last time I ever did this.
* No way to do Video calls. <--- How could the Fuze, Tilt, 8525 or Wizard do Video Calls?
* No copy/paste <--- meh... Not editing documents or anything like that.
* No MMS <--- Even though I've added this functionality it is rarely used and wouldn't be missed (even my 16 year old daughter doesn't mind not having it I mean we e-mail pics)
* No way to record a video (except with some 3rd party apps) <--- When I really want video I have a JVC Camcorder with HDD!
* 2 mpx camera without auto focus! <--- I take so few "Real Pics" that the diff between 2mp & 3.1mp isn't an issue.
* No FM radio <--- again missing on more WinMo devices than included besides stream it from the Net!
* No built in true file explorer <--- The data I need to get to is easily accessable when I need it from my computer.
* Blah blah blah... <--- I actually am glad this was left out! (ha ha ha)
* No easy multitasking <--- Some Apps natively run in the background. Ironically look at how many WinMo users install task Managers that undo this "feature" of WinMo, I mean now it's in every OEM Rom!

Again, I'm not saying one is better than the other, just different devices fill different needs.

The WinMo FanBois are just as retarded in their thinking as the Apple FanBois to be honest.

For this year iPhone fills my needs... A couple of years ago it never would have. How is that bad for either camp?

Say one doesn't fill your need or the other is overkill for what you do that's fine but to say one is crap because it isn't your cup of tea just isn't right.

I think owziee still has a valid point when it comes to "out the box" functionality and having to "hack/mod" a iPhone to get some basic functions that WinMo has.

[dzelaya18]

I think owziee still has a valid point when it comes to "out the box" functionality and having to "hack/mod" a iPhone to get some basic functions that WinMo has.

Do you use your WM device in it's complete "out-of-the-box" state?

The, "Development and Hacking" forum on this site is by far the most popular and widely read forum around here. It didn't get that way because we were all so thrilled with the way our WM devices worked straight out of the box.

The same applies to owning an iPhone. What we don't like or feel is lacking, we will search to find a way to hack around it. Just like folks are modifying their WM phones to have some iPhone functionality. There's a reason that A_C's S2 series of apps are some of the most popular around here.

[GWelker62]

Do you use your WM device in it's complete "out-of-the-box" state?

At this point in time, the answer is yes.

Let me clarify what I consider "out the box". That would be the "shipped" rom and using third party software that doesn't void the warranty. And I don't consider registry editing a hack. It is part of the way Windows is made.

What I use and how I use it is not the point. I just want to make sure I do an accurate comparison. I'll say it again.... apples to apples people.

I think there would be less emotional or childish debating if we keep the stock form and hack/modded comparisons separate.

I'll say this again, I don't see one platform better than the other. As kyphur says, it depends on your needs and likes.

[Menneisyys]

I'll say this again, I don't see one platform better than the other. As kyphur says, it depends on your needs and likes.

Exactly. The iPhone is more of an entertainment device with incomparably better games and gaming support. As far as productivity and other usage is concerned, however, WinMo is better.

[dzelaya18]

I think there would be less emotional or childish debating if we keep the stock form and hack/modded comparisons separate.

Hey, no worries with me, mate. Look at my sig...I live on both sides of the fence. :D

[DaveShaw]

Hey, no worries with me, mate. Look at my sig...I live on both sides of the fence. :D

Better than Kyphur, he fell off the fence into and orchard :D :D

Dave

[kyphur]

Now, that's not entirely true....

I still have 3 Tilts (2 are being used the other one is up for sale) and will probably find my way back. I just have a lot of IRL stuff going on right now....

Better than Kyphur, he fell off the fence into and orchard :D :D

Dave

[DaveShaw]

Now, that's not entirely true....

I still have 3 Tilts (2 are being used the other one is up for sale) and will probably find my way back. I just have a lot of IRL stuff going on right now....

No offense meant. I've read what's happening in RL (well what you've posted anyhow).

Just my sense of humor. (Note to all, I am never serious about anything) :p:rolleyes:

Dave

[kyphur]

DS, no probs... I take it all tongue & cheek...

Just wanted to assure everyone here that I'm not totally lost (yet)....

No offense meant. I've read what's happening in RL (well what you've posted anyhow).

Just my sense of humor. (Note to all, I am never serious about anything) :p:rolleyes:

Dave

[GWelker62]

Hey, no worries with me, mate.
No need to explain your position. I didn't take it as confontational. ;)

Look at my sig...I live on both sides of the fence. :D
Whatta ya say'n? You and kyphur swing both ways now? :eek::D

[dzelaya18]

Whatta ya say'n? You and kyphur swing both ways now? :eek::D

Well, you know...some want it all... ;)

[mikeeey]

Just so I’m fair, let me list the things a really like about the iPhone. And this is an “out the box” look at it.

1. Safari web browsing is second to none. (still better than Skyfire IMHO)
2. User interface is the best I’ve used (and very responsive)
3. Navigation is the easiest I’ve used.
4. Set ups/configurations is the easiest I’ve seen
5. Camera is far better than what I’ve seen on WinMo
6. Multi touch screen is Scha-weet! Finger friendly, so no need for stylus
7. Zooming
8. App store (just the whole browsing and loading apps is just too easy)
9. A few apps in particular, like the MySpace and YouTube apps.
10. Accelerometer (adjusts the screen for you as you tilt it) and comes into use with some of the games.
11. And of course gaming is far better than on WinMo


That’s all I can think of for now. :)
the camera doesnt even have AF... lol.

[dzelaya18]

the camera doesnt even have AF... lol.

I'm using my Tilt right now, and trust me, my iPhone takes equally good well-lit pictures and far better low light pictures than it does. The Tilt just takes way to long as it struggles to capture the frame.

Just because the Tilt has a 3MP camera doesn't mean that it takes better photos than a 2MP one. My old LG flip phone with a 1.3MP camera takes clearer and sharper pictures than my Tilt. It's all about lens and software, not mega pixel muscle.

EDIT: I fully concede on the lack of auto focus, though...I can't take any up-close shots on my iPhone like I can on my Tilt.

[lennie]

my friends, all of you who said the iPhone is the web browsing must be joking. your joking right? please tell me you're joking.

my girlfriend has an iPhone so I technically have an iPhone. and I've tried to use the much hyped safari and found it limiting:
this comparison between out of the box devices (without loading a new rom or jailbreak the iPhone).

1) the age old copy and paste. I wrote a small 5 page essay on my winmo where I had to pull a lot of info off the net, format it properly, spell checked it, and printed it wireless. I couldn't dream of doing that on an iPhone.

2)wordwrap, the iPhone asks "what's that?". I viewed a couple pages with the iPhone and winmo using opera side by side and there were NO wordwrapping on the iPhone while opera was just showing off with it. wordwrap = better navigation.

3) downloading from the web, iPhone say "stop with the foul language". on winmo I can download whatever I want from the web. I've even downloaded full roms many times to my device and flashed it from my device. opera on winmo even has a download manager! I can save/email/mms/ pictures and links, I can call phone numbers from my browser.

tell me where is the superiority in the iPhone's web browser? if someone say "it's in scrolling and panning" then that's opinion not fact, because opera performs pretty well and according to me from my side by side comparison is better than safari.

now away from the web browsing side of things.

4) expandable memory. some people say 8 or 16GB is all I ever need. but I walk around with 24GB: 8 on internal HDD, 8 on microSD, and 8 on microSD in my wallet ready to swap out at any time.

5) on my winmo I can use the space for way more than just music/video or installed apps. I really don't have to head back to my computer to do anything to my phone that I can't do using the phone.

6) customize. I don't think I need to say anything else about that.

7) real multi-tasking on winmo, not so on the iPhone.

I'm not even going to talk about the removable battery and how I have an extra one with me always.

I was going to list 10 but I'll save the rest for rebuttals

the only advantage I see the iPhone having over winmo devices is the form factor and an actual gpu driver.

[Menneisyys]

I'm using my Tilt right now, and trust me, my iPhone takes equally good well-lit pictures and far better low light pictures than it does. The Tilt just takes way to long as it struggles to capture the frame.

Just because the Tilt has a 3MP camera doesn't mean that it takes better photos than a 2MP one. My old LG flip phone with a 1.3MP camera takes clearer and sharper pictures than my Tilt. It's all about lens and software, not mega pixel muscle.

EDIT: I fully concede on the lack of auto focus, though...I can't take any up-close shots on my iPhone like I can on my Tilt.

Yeah, the Tilt my be even worse than the iPhone, camera-wise. However, try comparing the later to a decent camera phone; for example, the Nokia N95. There's simply no comparison - the N95 (which is a two-year-old model!) is simply much better.

I've even published some comparative shots I've taken on my iPhone 3G and N95 - make sure you read http://www.smartphonemag.com/iphone/blog/87/ultimate-comparison-iphone-3g-other-mobile-operating-systems-and-devices-part-i

[Menneisyys]

my friends, all of you who said the iPhone is the web browsing must be joking. your joking right? please tell me you're joking.


Please read my dedicated article at http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=467173 , particuarly the Verdict section, to see why I personally prefer iPhone to the current WinMo models when it comes to Web browsing.

[Menneisyys]

the camera doesnt even have AF... lol.

Yup, there ARE WinMo devices with better cameras (but, of course, nothing can beat the Nokia N95/ N82, camera-wise.)

[GWelker62]

my friends, all of you who said the iPhone is the web browsing must be joking. your joking right? please tell me you're joking.

For simple web browsing, (just viewing web pages and content) I still say the iPhone is better. For all the other web based information manipulation you outlined, then of course WinMo is far better.

Again, most of the negatives you speak of are viewed from a power user's perspective. We are doing those apples to oranges, modded vs stock, and toy vs tool comparison again. Put an iPhone and Tilt in my hands, I will eventually gravitate to the Tilt because my needs are the same as yours. Put the same two phones in my kids or wife's hand, and they will gravitate to the iPhone every time. They want to play, I need to work.

I could do the same comparison with a baseball bat (toy) and pry bar (tool). You can say a bat is better because I can play baseball with it, and use it as a pry bar. Then one could make the opposite argument.

You can see now why anybody having the opinion one is better than the other is illogical thinking.

[DaveShaw]

So after 67 posts we come to the conclusion that everyone should get the phone that works best for them... Which is why we got our phone in the first place isn't it, because we wanted it? :D

Raymond's Nit Picker Corner: I know not everyone likes the phone they have, but most of us do.

Dave

[lennie]

For simple web browsing, (just viewing web pages and content) I still say the iPhone is better.

ok we're having a normal debate, correct? I showed were I drew my conclusion from, that browsing the web on winmo using opera is better than on the iPhone safari, namely, wordwrap (I haven't seen it in safari). so now show me why you feel that safari is better at viewing content.

my case: to read content with opera on winmo the user zooms in and only scroll down.
with safari on iPhone the user has to zoom in and scroll right then left then down, repeat.

I don't think wordwrap is a poweruser feature.
what is your basis?


You can see now why anybody having the opinion one is better than the other is illogical thinking.

a discussion is good and productive as long as there is no flaming or bad blood made. I don't think discussions are illogical, that's how points are made. you say you like a certain product and I'm asking why you like it. I said I liked the other product and I showed why I liked it over the other.

[dzelaya18]

...that browsing the web on winmo using opera is better than on the iPhone safari, namely, wordwrap (I haven't seen it in safari).

my case: to read content with opera on winmo the user zooms in and only scroll down.
with safari on iPhone the user has to zoom in and scroll right then left then down, repeat.



Not entirely so. When I use Safari I tend to use the phone in landscape. The screen is so big that I can read almost anything without even zooming in, and a quick double tap on the screen and Safari will zoom in to view just the block of text that you're reading, thereby negating the need to scroll left and right.

The only thing I really have against it is it's small cache size.

[dzelaya18]

Yeah, the Tilt my be even worse than the iPhone, camera-wise. However, try comparing the later to a decent camera phone; for example, the Nokia N95. There's simply no comparison - the N95 (which is a two-year-old model!) is simply much better.

I've even published some comparative shots I've taken on my iPhone 3G and N95 - make sure you read http://www.smartphonemag.com/iphone/blog/87/ultimate-comparison-iphone-3g-other-mobile-operating-systems-and-devices-part-i

Well yeah, I've been jonesing for an N95 for a long time. A guy at work got one last year and the camera on that thing is ridiculous...beautiful pictures. Makes any phone I have look like a cheap knock off in the camera department.

[dzelaya18]

You can see now why anybody having the opinion one is better than the other is illogical thinking.

Exactly. There's a reason that I own both...both platforms have their strength's, and I use each one for the task that suits my needs. WM is a fantastic OS, but it simply fails to do everything better. Alot of people don't seem to be able to admit this fact and see anyone whom is suggesting that the iPhone does anything better than WM as an attack on WM superiority, and get a little too emotionally riled up about it.

I use my Tilt for mobile computing and whatnot. My iPhone is the better choice for music, video and web browsing. I'm sorry, but I'm not going to need to whip out my Tilt and edit an Excel spreadsheet when I'm having a few pints at the bar; but I might show some videos, music or a website to my friends, so I'll take the iPhone.

No biggie, best of both worlds, you know?

[lennie]

ok, I get your point. I like the animations in the iPhone, it makes the tasks look cool and the hardware form factor too. but that's about it. maybe it's just me but I always feel as if many people get to feel like they're in the "in-crowd", like my friend got the iPhone and now he thinks that no one is as cool as him, and I my girl got one and all of a sudden she feels like I'm jealous of her...I don't get it, but as I said maybe it's just me. many, many times I've read people say it's the greatest phone ever, but I don't see how they could say that ( my opinion).

but now I realize the real reason: it's that the majority of consumers (business excluded) don't really care about features, they just care about what looks good, because most people thinks that when they have something that looks good, it makes them look good and once they feel that they look good it makes them feel good. plus it has some sweet animations to boot.

that's why I was so curious to know why you like the iPhone, to compare it with the other reasons other people told me.
if its about feature, the iPhone lose, so it must be about looks , and yeah it does look good.

I asked my girl why she got the iPhone, she said: because it looks good and everybody is talking about it, lol, she still don't know how to use the phone properly. I didn't even bothered to ask my friend because it's clear, him and his "cool" self. plus on the net and on xbox live, the number one reason I hear is that it looks good.

so from all this I drew the conclusion that most people would rather throw away features for something that looks really good (meant in no way a general statement). I've seen a guy dump a girl who takes care of him really well for another just because the other one looks good (but I digress).

so by this, if a company wants to make money from the average joe/jane all they have to do is make something that looks damn good. yes, also remove the features so it would seem as if it makes things more simpler. then add back these initially removed features in later products little by little, thus making more money in the process. steve jobs or his marketing department are very clever, I saw how they created the "in-crowd" effect.

however, I always wanted to get winmo in that sexy dress the iPhone is wearing, but I think she'd look good in red though :D

(I personified it because my girl always say the my phone is my bitch_ because I'm "always on it touching it all over". now I think about it, I think she's the one who's jealous :D)

[enigma1nz]

Well... I fix gadgets like all of yours for a living these days and believe me, I get to play with them all and own and at some stage owned a fair few. People constantly ask me what I recommend and I always have difficulty recommending anything, because it's such an individual thing and yes, the modern consumer likes to go for cute, otherwise we would not be bombarded by pink Hello Kitty rhinestoned cuteness on the next to nothing features.

Want me to tell you what I keep in my personal every day usage? Imate JasJar (HTC Universal) and LG Prada. One because it's the best (IMHO) and another because it looks cool. When it came to LG Prada, I was just lucky to get a broken one for a few bucks, as opposed to $1299 NZD (about $1000 USD at the time), fix it, make it look brand new and keep it, against my better judgement. Honestly, if I'd be one of those unfortunates who paid retail for that sleek fashion candy, I'd cry. As I reply to those asking me what it's like - It's a $300 phone in $1000 Prada wrapper. Never thought I'd go for looks over substance, but I did.

Which is exactly the reason behind the popularity of the Iphone - it's cute, cool and fun to use, nevermind the features (which are actually not too bad).

I compromised, of course, by keeping my WM toys. :p

[_fm]

Which is exactly the reason behind the popularity of the Iphone - it's cute, cool and fun to use, nevermind the features (which are actually not too bad).


Agreeee,..... :D

But for that reason too, i didnt buy the iphone,. :D

[rockerrock]

My startup screen. Enjoy.

[Isaygarcia]

thats why i do own a TyTN II and an iPod Touch... (32GB are better than 8 or 16 of an iPhone).
and believe me.. i started to get bored with the ipod.. and im playing more with my tytn II.. again!! XD!

[duswdav]

hi guys, my name is duswdav and i used to be a winmo-coholic. but then i watched oprah and realized winmo isn't the only way to god!! haha. now it did take me more than 5 trips to the att store to convince myself that i could get used to not having a hard keyboard, but now i believe there's a phone for everyone and so now i've converted to iphone. i won't be dropping my pc for a mac anytime soon. and who knows, palm's pre looks pretty sweet.

so thank you kyphur, for making me realize that its okay to stray away from windows mobile.

[mlin]

I have just recently started using my Touch as an mp3 player and am really enjoying it, (on top of using it for everything else). The other day at work, I was able to transfer music files to a coworker's computer in exchange for some music of his.

Question: is this sort of file transfer functionality feasible on an iPhone? I use my phone here and there for file storage (it works great as a flash drive as I usually have my usb cord in my backpack), is this possible on the iphone?

Honestly, I have many friends with the iPhone and I usually don't bother to show my phone as their heads are so far in the clouds they couldn't even see it from up there. I have played with them extensively and to be honest, got kind of bored. I like winmo versatility and ability to customize everything. I like that my phone is customized and themed exactly to my preferences, and changes sometimes with my mood. Perhaps if I one day decide I do not want this ability and individuality in a device, I will consider an iPhone. Anyhow, I think the iPhone is quite amazing in two main aspects: browsing and the hardware. If I could have an iPhone running Winmo, I would be one happy character.

I hope windows mobile isn't dying, though sometimes I get the feeling it is.

[denny_1986]

i think iphone is a fun phone which gets most of the job done....its sleek and sexy...c'mon guyz, if it was that bad as some ppl say it is, we wouldn't have imitation icontacts, idialer, ithemes etc etc. Its been over 2 years and ppl are still comparing everything and anything to the iphone....

[lennie]

i think iphone is a fun phone which gets most of the job done....its sleek and sexy...c'mon guyz, if it was that bad as some ppl say it is, we wouldn't have imitation icontacts, idialer, ithemes etc etc. Its been over 2 years and ppl are still comparing everything and anything to the iphone....

because humans are feeble creatures and the majority will always choose form over function.

winmo have been out for years and microsoft left the innovation of the interface to the OEMs and Devs but they didn't do anything but leave it as it was. now that the iPhone is out OEMs and Devs started doing actual work: touchflo/manila etc. but I see many devs still lack the sense to innovate so what they do is copy what the next guy did.

I am in an SMS skinning process with the iPhone sms colors (it will be in many different colors too, not just the iPhone, it'll be in hot red and blue, pink and light pink etc) and this one guy wanted me to remove some functions so it would look exactly like the iPhone. I said no, because I'm not going to choose form over function unless it's a function I'm never ever going to use.

I'm waiting to see what pointUI 2 has to offer, version 1.5a doesn't even startup in my phone.

[Confused Stu]

I have absolutely no problem with the iPhone itself - it's a lovely piece of kit that does what it does very well and is a pleasure to pick up and use. The thing I do have a problem with is the amount of hype Apple has put behind it, and the blind enthusiasm of the Apple-fanboys who truly believe the iPhone was the first phone to have a touchscreen and do more than take/receive calls.

For me, the culture and hype attached to the iPhone and the hysterical worshipping has had the effect of tarnishing the phone itself to me, to the point I now wouldn't be able to get one.

It's a bit like a Ferrari - driving one would be lovely, but as everyone who drives a Ferrari seems to be a knob you couldn't own one yourself!

No offence to any Ferrari drivers, you can't all be knobs but I have yet to see one who wasn't!

[mrwalleyeman]

Ok this a good forum here and i have both and also a blackberry i like them all they all have functions the othe dont for tools i like the blackberry for navigation i like tomtom on the windows mobile but thats about it. i cant really say which one is better just each has functionality the othwers dont or dont do as well.
lennie pointed out that he can call numbers right from the browser well i do that all the time with my Iphone all the time no jailbreaking involed for that, the blackberry does it as well so yippee. hell my brothers samsung instinc does it woohoomy im kinda with a few of the others here its all about what ya need at that point in time. i think they all do things the others dont and visa versa. so my opinion is that they all are good for what you use them for. the most important thing they all do is make Calls and they all do about the same job of that. i think thats the biggest reason why some of us bought them so my opinion is they are all good i dont really have a preferance as long as it doesnt run palm os.

[GWelker62]

I got another iPhone for the wife. She used it for a week and didn't like it and wanted the 3125 back. Although my oldest son is loving his.

So I decide I give the iPhoney a try and actually use it instead of just playing with it like I did with my son's. While I still say it's a great phone, it's obvious it cannot fullfill my needs and I'm gonna return it. Specifically it doesn't seamlessly integrate with Windows. For example, not all Outlook functions are sync'ed without adding more software. I especially need Business Contact Manager to sync and I didn't see any solution for that. No A2DP.... which means the S9's go to waste.:mad: And no tethering without jailbreaking. While I'm ok with the concept of jailbreaking, I feel it will be a no-stop battle with Apple in their effort against it.

So back to the at&t store it goes and I'll eat a 10% restocking fee for my experience.

[jennifersaurya]

it is too funny and it is like hahaha.......

[losttvseries]

I am going to buy one last week!
can not wait to use it!

[denco7]

Have you guys ever even been here ? Here is about 70,000 topics with about 400,000 messages from people having trouble with their crappy iphones. And this is on Apple's own filtered and censored board. Try checking out a non apple board if you think the iphone i so great.

http://discussions.apple.com/category.jspa?categoryID=245

[fallenczar]

Have you guys ever even been here ? Here is about 70,000 topics with about 400,000 messages from people having trouble with their crappy iphones. And this is on Apple's own filtered and censored board. Try checking out a non apple board if you think the iphone i so great.

http://discussions.apple.com/category.jspa?categoryID=245

by the same corollary HTC's phone must be POS - a quick search at ATT's HTC forum reveals that there are close to 50152 topics http://forums.wireless.att.com/cng/search?board_id=cingular&submitted=true&q=A
I wonder if thats why htc hasn't bothered to create ant official forum ???

[blackhove]

have had this iphone thingy for a while now..........wat a waste of time:(

[denco7]

by the same corollary HTC's phone must be POS - a quick search at ATT's HTC forum reveals that there are close to 50152 topics http://forums.wireless.att.com/cng/search?board_id=cingular&submitted=true&q=A
I wonder if thats why htc hasn't bothered to create ant official forum ???

Yes , thank-you , my point exactly , only there is about 10 million more HTC phones out there than iPhones, they are all hi tech, evolving pieces of electronics. I have both, I have a Tilt, I am constantly troubleshooting my wife's iPhone. They are both great, they are both POS.
The bottom line for me is , if I wanted a toy, you can't beat an iPhone, but I run a business, and the Tilt is hands down the best phone I have ever had.
Not out of the box, but thanks to this site.

[fallenczar]

Yes , thank-you , my point exactly , only there is about 10 million more HTC phones out there than iPhones, they are all hi tech, evolving pieces of electronics. I have both, I have a Tilt, I am constantly troubleshooting my wife's iPhone. They are both great, they are both POS.
The bottom line for me is , if I wanted a toy, you can't beat an iPhone, but I run a business, and the Tilt is hands down the best phone I have ever had.
Not out of the box, but thanks to this site.

ohh wow, there are 10 mil htc's on ATT??? can i get your source???

Exactly how does a device running UNIX core become a toy??

Sorry, but The Bottom Line is this, you know nothing bout UNIX and hence have no clue as to what the iphone is capable of.

[DaveShaw]

So long to best iPhone discussion xda ever had, and this thread was Flame free for so long as well. :) :)

Please keep it polite.

Dave

[denco7]

HA HA HA all fired up no place to go. The iPhone is only capable of what Steve Jobs and the Apple copyright and legal department says it is capable of.

Oh and by the way, I was writing code on punchkey terminals and punch cards, long before you were even a glimmer in your father's eye. I know exactly what Unix is capable of, and I know that the iPhone will never ever see even a fraction of that capability.

I have 5 Macs in my house, and Steve Jobs has turned them all into Unix powerhouses.:rolleyes:

[fallenczar]

I know exactly what Unix is capable of, and I know that the iPhone will never ever see even a fraction of that capability.


Please do illuminate us as to why this is not possible.

[denco7]

Please do illuminate us as to why this is not possible.

The iPhone is only capable of what Steve Jobs and the Apple copyright and legal department says it is capable of.

Read much ? I think that since any truly useful content of this conversation is gone,I am done with you :)

Edit : As well as the maturity level, wouldn't you say Dave ?

So long to best iPhone discussion xda ever had, and this thread was Flame free for so long as well.

Please keep it polite.

Dave

[fallenczar]

Read much ? I think that since any truly useful content of this conversation is gone,I am done with you :)

Ever Heard of J-A-I-L-B-R-E-A-K-I-N-G old man??