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wolframio74

3rd February 2009, 05:31 AM

what drvers really works o work better for a kaiser with WinMo 6.1... Samsung OMNIA D3D, or this one HTC-CA-Kaiser-Drivers.cab (http://www.htcclassaction.org/driverprogress.php), and where i can find OEM package of HTC-CA-Kaiser-Drivers, Regards!

wolframio74

7th February 2009, 03:43 AM

any chef outthere¿ :confused:

mbarvian

7th February 2009, 03:58 AM

mazin13

7th February 2009, 05:19 AM

I think one of the only differences is that the Omnia driver does not support OpenGLES (I'm pretty sure). My vote would be the HTC Class Action driver, even though it is not fully functional as of right now

of course you know.....your vote "opinion" in particular is taken very seriously :)
so it's HTC CA drivers over Omnia drivers for me from now on lol

b16b

7th February 2009, 02:37 PM

I think one of the only differences is that the Omnia driver does not support OpenGLES (I'm pretty sure). My vote would be the HTC Class Action driver, even though it is not fully functional as of right now

oh i don't know that for openGLES but omnia drivers make the same score on 3ddemo with shiny screen and can see the TEXT with omnia drivers

souskei

7th February 2009, 07:14 PM

so is it possible to play doomGLES with the HTC drivers versus the omnia drivers?
http://kokak.free.fr/DoomGLES.htm

i have ABUs PDAcorner v172g right now and i think it has the omnia driver.. but ive been trying to get this version of doom to work for a while now..

p.s. - if i tried to these drivers... could i go back to the omnia D3D drivers without a problem.. THANK YOU!

b16b

7th February 2009, 08:33 PM

mbarvian

8th February 2009, 12:22 AM

oh i don't know that for openGLES but omnia drivers make the same score on 3ddemo with shiny screen and can see the TEXT with omnia drivers

as far as Direct3D is concerned, the Samsung Omnia drivers might score a little higher, but if you are into gaming, like DoomGLES, then the HTC CA will be the best option.

@soueski: yes, you can just install either driver and install a different driver and it should work fine.

@mazin13: thanks :)

btw, I'm playing with Toshiba Portege g810 right now, which has the same processor as the Kaiser, does anyone know if drivers have been ported from this?

souskei

8th February 2009, 01:06 AM

thanks for the info MBAR..

ok.. im downloading the htc drivers and gonna see if they work a little better as far as gaming and media is concerned..

ajclai08

8th February 2009, 01:36 AM

try the goforce CoD 2 demo with the d3d drivers

mskip

8th February 2009, 03:14 AM

as far as Direct3D is concerned, the Samsung Omnia drivers might score a little higher, but if you are into gaming, like DoomGLES, then the HTC CA will be the best option.

@soueski: yes, you can just install either driver and install a different driver and it should work fine.

@mazin13: thanks :)

btw, I'm playing with Toshiba Portege g810 right now, which has the same processor as the Kaiser, does anyone know if drivers have been ported from this?
I think SJ was trying to port the drivers across quite a few months ago. I know there was some discussion about it in the forum but I dont think he or anyone else got anywhere with them.

wolframio74

8th February 2009, 03:56 AM

thanks for the info MBAR..

ok.. im downloading the htc drivers and gonna see if they work a little better as far as gaming and media is concerned..

that is what i need, i dont have time to test it, but my kaiser graphics sucks, i cant even play snes or whatch some movies, goog look

Pho3niX90

8th February 2009, 05:21 AM

I downloaded thise drivers, but cant seem to get them installed, and i cant find a tutorial, any1 of your care to help me?

souskei

8th February 2009, 04:12 PM

I downloaded thise drivers, but cant seem to get them installed, and i cant find a tutorial, any1 of your care to help me?

isnt it just a cab install?
i downloaded the cab and just installed it on my phone from the HTCclassaction site.. the latest one i belive is from october..

but as far as the driver are concerned..
the triangle (GL)
the D3D demo
the lights (D3D)

all tested flawlessly.. there wernt any tears or artifacts.. and very smooth..

the text 3d tho.. i cant see the text.. it just looks like a mini blue and red castle wall to me

as far as my gaming goes tho..
i havnt gotten doomGLES to work yet.. im still stuck on the certificate error.. although i know it works on kaiser because on another site (which i cant link.. im sorry ;)) .. someone got it to run .. i think ima ask him how he did it

.. i use Morphgear 2.4.0.9 (SNES Emu)...and i can actually play a lil..
mega man i can play with frame skip 3 with sound and stereo (HTC DRIVERS)
vs. frame skip 2 no sound. -- resulting in the same frame rate 10 - 15
(but if disable everything and put framerate to 3 its smooth HTCclass drivers -- couldnt do that before)
so i guess a little improvement there
Mario Rpg actually loads -- unplayable tho.

as far as 3d games go as in athelion 2 and flux challenge.. i did notice when using the touchscreen, its more responsive and dosnt slow down the games as it did before.. (i think these games are software rendered, and i dont know if the drivers have anything to do with how a physical touch of the games FPS.. but really.. it was smoother :cool:)

ill try testing a lil more and maybe tweak some stuff
and benchmark the the different drivers with video playback and rendering rates..

video playback is somewhat smoother using a decent quality file and an oversized resolution.. TCPMP and Coreplayer seem to resize the movie/videos res ratio a bit better for a lil smoother playback.. AUD/VID was a tiny out of sync tho (wasnt with the omnia drivers).. but with a lil adjustment for the A/V timing in the settings.. the movie was much more watchable...
then again i could just be fooling myself :p .. either case.. my movies are smoother now after the HTCclass install

video bitrate @ 182kbps
audio @ 182 kbps
avi file
resolution @ 624 x 336

as far as video playback with a converted video actually made for a 320 x 240 resolution in mp4 format 24 hz audio... it plays flawlessly with dvd quality @ 27 - 29 FPS.. now this i know is better with these drivers

but thats all i got right now.. as far as everyday use.. as in M2D and drawback rates and etc... there pretty much the same..
although the camera does fixate the lighting adjustments a lil faster in a dark room.

but just as a side note.. the phone does tend to get a lil warmer from my experience.. not crazy hot.. jus a lil warmer as in i could actually tell my phones working a lil harder now (when using apps/games)..

(or i could just be crazy and imagining all this stuff) :D

more later.....

wolframio74

8th February 2009, 06:16 PM

OK OK, i am using KaiserKitchen to convert CAB to OEM, its work if i go to OEM with that Tool? or any one out there got OEM package to cook on my own ROM? regards!

b16b

8th February 2009, 11:38 PM

isnt it just a cab install?
i downloaded the cab and just installed it on my phone from the HTCclassaction site.. the latest one i belive is from october..

but as far as the driver are concerned..
the triangle (GL)
the D3D demo
the lights (D3D)

all tested flawlessly.. there wernt any tears or artifacts.. and very smooth..

the text 3d tho.. i cant see the text.. it just looks like a mini blue and red castle wall to me

as far as my gaming goes tho..
i havnt gotten doomGLES to work yet.. im still stuck on the certificate error.. although i know it works on kaiser because on another site (which i cant link.. im sorry ;)) .. someone got it to run .. i think ima ask him how he did it

.. i use Morphgear 2.4.0.9 (SNES Emu)...and i can actually play a lil..
mega man i can play with frame skip 3 with sound and stereo (HTC DRIVERS)
vs. frame skip 2 no sound. -- resulting in the same frame rate 10 - 15
(but if disable everything and put framerate to 3 its smooth HTCclass drivers -- couldnt do that before)
so i guess a little improvement there
Mario Rpg actually loads -- unplayable tho.

as far as 3d games go as in athelion 2 and flux challenge.. i did notice when using the touchscreen, its more responsive and dosnt slow down the games as it did before.. (i think these games are software rendered, and i dont know if the drivers have anything to do with how a physical touch of the games FPS.. but really.. it was smoother :cool:)

ill try testing a lil more and maybe tweak some stuff
and benchmark the the different drivers with video playback and rendering rates..

video playback is somewhat smoother using a decent quality file and an oversized resolution.. TCPMP and Coreplayer seem to resize the movie/videos res ratio a bit better for a lil smoother playback.. AUD/VID was a tiny out of sync tho (wasnt with the omnia drivers).. but with a lil adjustment for the A/V timing in the settings.. the movie was much more watchable...
then again i could just be fooling myself :p .. either case.. my movies are smoother now after the HTCclass install

video bitrate @ 182kbps
audio @ 182 kbps
avi file
resolution @ 624 x 336

as far as video playback with a converted video actually made for a 320 x 240 resolution in mp4 format 24 hz audio... it plays flawlessly with dvd quality @ 27 - 29 FPS.. now this i know is better with these drivers

but thats all i got right now.. as far as everyday use.. as in M2D and drawback rates and etc... there pretty much the same..
although the camera does fixate the lighting adjustments a lil faster in a dark room.

but just as a side note.. the phone does tend to get a lil warmer from my experience.. not crazy hot.. jus a lil warmer as in i could actually tell my phones working a lil harder now (when using apps/games)..

(or i could just be crazy and imagining all this stuff) :D

more later.....

Test Again with omnia drivers now who know your score with htc ca drivers

b16b

8th February 2009, 11:49 PM

here is the 2 drivers OMNIA and HTC CA

mbarvian

9th February 2009, 02:13 AM

OK OK, i am using KaiserKitchen to convert CAB to OEM, its work if i go to OEM with that Tool? or any one out there got OEM package to cook on my own ROM? regards!

yes, it should work flawlessly :)

acehole

9th February 2009, 04:25 AM

Is there anyone checking the other phones with the same chipset for drivers?
I found a lot on http://pdadb.net/
Link to all devices using this chipset http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=pdamaster&posted=1&cpu=a7500
Here is the link for the 7200 chipset phones http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=cpu&id=a7200

Funny even the new treo, (htc device I know) is still using it, Same performance, why upgrade at all?
Funny the reason I was looking was so I could stay away from poor performing phones from companies not willing to make a quality device with full feature set ( aka htc, qualcomm) Please, I am not completely unhappy with the phone, but I know it could be better on the multimedia side.

I found this with the specs being the so close, wonder if there is a driver?
Is there a company like symbol or medical field pda that are utilizing full driver set for the chipset?

Samsung SGH-i777 Saga
Release Date: December, 2008
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b16b

10th February 2009, 12:12 AM

can anyone test this TI d3d Drivers?

false cab i uploading soon the real..

mbarvian

10th February 2009, 02:15 AM

can anyone test this including many dll not only for d3d but don't have registry for the other dll

where is this from?

parleyp

10th February 2009, 02:27 AM

where is this from?

He got them from me--which means some were from Anryl and some from the original Phoenix builds...which were yours. These are the combination of files in the current Phoenix 2.22 rom.

b16b

10th February 2009, 03:54 PM

He got them from me--which means some were from Anryl and some from the original Phoenix builds...which were yours. These are the combination of files in the current Phoenix 2.22 rom.

hahahaha relly the other files is yours hahahahahahaha

so the only d3d.dll is the real from TI?

ok sorry guys i remove the file now

:P

mbarvian

10th February 2009, 09:32 PM

hahahaha relly the other files is yours hahahahahahaha

so the only d3d.dll is the real from TI?

ok sorry guys i remove the file now

:P

who is TI?

parleyp

10th February 2009, 09:40 PM

who is TI?
Texas Instruments...It is in Anryl's files. It looks a lot like the htca driver but there are differences.

parleyp

10th February 2009, 09:40 PM

hahahaha relly the other files is yours hahahahahahaha

so the only d3d.dll is the real from TI?

ok sorry guys i remove the file now

:P

I didn't mind the files being up here. It will help validate what you and I think.

b16b

10th February 2009, 10:47 PM

I didn't mind the files being up here. It will help validate what you and I think.

i do it for good..
i do not know for your files in there.. so i removed from here.. i will upload this clean from anryl..

i have it.. you know i have many things from anryl..

many users say have better video and ....
i don't think is true because OMNIA and HTC CA have only one d3d.dll so is only for d3d use..
this from HTC TI have more dll and one for 2d but no registry for it.. and this dll has not same name with other on official rom.. so i think not working.. :(

parleyp

11th February 2009, 03:58 AM

i do it for good..
i do not know for your files in there.. so i removed from here.. i will upload this clean from anryl..

i have it.. you know i have many things from anryl..

many users say have better video and ....
i don't think is true because OMNIA and HTC CA have only one d3d.dll so is only for d3d use..
this from HTC TI have more dll and one for 2d but no registry for it.. and this dll has not same name with other on official rom.. so i think not working.. :(

Yes I know you have many things from Anryl as do I. I also have many things from mbv and other sources.

Let's figure it out together. I think the rom seems more stable with the ti driver from anryl..but let's test it out.

tricsio

11th February 2009, 03:09 PM

Not sure but if I am not mistaking Leo has a driver (HTCCA_L26) that supposable works fine.

Here's where I got this from

Still no go. I'm running L26's HTCCA driver test ROM, it's a private thing. But TF3D-QVGA runs on it without issue.

b16b

11th February 2009, 08:02 PM

here the HTC TI drivers

Prema999

14th February 2009, 08:21 AM

Is work on 3d & 2D drivers for Kaiser still going on somewhere? The class action driver has not been updated since october...right? Is anyone still working on optimizations.
Are the any plans to implement the additional instruction set from the Omnia driver into the HTC CA driver!

Omnia driver vs. HTCClassaction:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I8uCgsCOJG8

kaiserII101

14th February 2009, 09:09 AM

OK OK, i am using KaiserKitchen to convert CAB to OEM, its work if i go to OEM with that Tool? or any one out there got OEM package to cook on my own ROM? regards!
I already tried this didn't work :x

tricsio

14th February 2009, 04:07 PM

Not trying to discourage anyone but most of the Devs that were working on the HTCClassAction project ended up buying the newer phones with 3D acceleration.

souskei

15th February 2009, 12:35 AM

here the HTC TI drivers

has anyone tried these?
how do they compare the the classact ones or omnia ones?
thanks

Prema999

15th February 2009, 06:38 AM

wolframio74

16th February 2009, 10:22 AM

guys... i am from Chile and i dont know if this is possible but... we cant just get a lot of signs arround the world to send to Qualcomm company, i mean the developers of the chip are the better ppl to develop the drivers, maybe they just need know the fact "a lot of people still want Qualcomm chip hidden power" i know that is the htcclass goal but its seam to be a dead case... regards

xalalalala

20th February 2009, 01:41 AM

Isnt' there any chance to use some of these drivers resources to play 3d games on Kaiser?

drkfngthdragnlrd

20th February 2009, 02:28 AM

This and the open positions @ Qualcomm some time back are giving some hope:

http://www.modaco.com/content/pocket-pc-professional-news/284469/asus-garmin-nuvifone-m20-announced/

It´s an Asus with MSM7200A on board (frequency up to 528MHz).
Looks like 72xx is not a dead product yet...

Maybe we can get some "real" drivers comming from that device soon.

What do you guys think?

There's the Sony Xperia, it has a Qualcom 7200A chipset @ 528 Mhz...

Maybe that can be used to port drivers. I seen in an artical it's advertising the dedicated graphics chip...

wolframio74

20th February 2009, 03:36 AM

well Xpheria its a HTC phone? (maybe i am wrong), and its close to diamond

drkfngthdragnlrd

20th February 2009, 04:08 AM

well Xpheria its a HTC phone? (maybe i am wrong), and its close to diamond

It's a Sony, but it's the same chipset basically. So the drivers should be compatable I would think. Same as how Laptop drivers for the mouse pad on all laptops are the same. It's doesn't matter if it's hp, dell or what ever. they all use the synaptics mouse.

wolframio74

20th February 2009, 07:32 AM

yeah! i know about chipset drivers... about xpheria, i always have the idea that its a SE designed by HTC to Sony :S

Prema999

22nd February 2009, 06:09 AM

since we gather all available files here:

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=3354993&postcount=30

parleyp

23rd February 2009, 10:06 PM

has anyone tried these?
how do they compare the the classact ones or omnia ones?
thanks

The TI drivers are in the Phoenix roms, Anryl's current roms and others. I feel that they are faster than either the omnia or class action drivers. We switched the Phoenix rom to them starting in version 2. Version 1x was pure omnia everywhere.

mbarvian

23rd February 2009, 10:45 PM

The TI drivers are in the Phoenix roms, Anryl's current roms and others. I feel that they are faster than either the omnia or class action drivers. We switched the Phoenix rom to them starting in version 2. Version 1x was pure omnia everywhere.

do these drivers have the same bug when you try and turn off the display while an app utilizing them is running? I'm gonna try running TF3D and compare results :)

parleyp

24th February 2009, 12:12 AM

do these drivers have the same bug when you try and turn off the display while an app utilizing them is running? I'm gonna try running TF3D and compare results :)

I don't know...Please let me know what you find. I haven't been testing tf3d at all for that very reason...if they don't have the issue....thinks will get very interesting.

jorra

24th February 2009, 09:22 AM

It's a Sony, but it's the same chipset basically. So the drivers should be compatable I would think. Same as how Laptop drivers for the mouse pad on all laptops are the same. It's doesn't matter if it's hp, dell or what ever. they all use the synaptics mouse.

HTC does manufacture the xperia for SE...

b16b

24th February 2009, 10:43 AM

do these drivers have the same bug when you try and turn off the display while an app utilizing them is running? I'm gonna try running TF3D and compare results :)

this issue finally coming from d3d drivers?

you know any d3d drivers without this power issue?

anagarika

24th February 2009, 03:36 PM

I can confirm X1 is made by HTC. SE simply doesn't have the expertise. Besides, it's also listed on HTC article on Wikipedia.

The questionis, if the driver really cure the TF3D issue, will it be installable or the whole ROM needs to be cooked again?

(PS: I came from SE UIQ world, this was discussed extensively among forum member at my-symbian)

wolframio74

26th February 2009, 09:36 AM

well i was rigth abut SE X`s then x-D, i gonna recook my ROM removing omnia and tring the resto of the drivers, but i am little lazzy this year xD regards!

Prema999

5th March 2009, 06:17 AM

Could this be helpfull in getting better drivers?:

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=486288

wolframio74

7th March 2009, 08:37 AM

thats for X1 but...

wolframio74

1st April 2009, 07:50 PM

any neews? browsing the forums i read a guy that send his Kaiser to service and when back was a lot more faster in video playback, in the topic think is about QTV, but its a little old

gigagrunt

1st April 2009, 08:11 PM

For playing games all i have been using is FinalBurn to play my MAME ROMs :P
It has worked really well for me so far with maybe very little lag every so often.

wolframio74

1st April 2009, 08:17 PM

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=368832&page=2 this its the topic about QTV...

wolframio74

3rd April 2009, 07:19 PM

just for now, and what i think normal and little avanced user like me can do, i suggest this action, set plan test on different drivers and settings on differents apps...

i suggest for Video/Movie Playback:

-use coreplayer (i use coreplayer) and/or tcpmp in benchmark mode
-post the most complete possible details about the config/settings of the programs (maybe with a reg file)
-we need to test the same file, maybe a short one, i little video, something about 45 sec... (the only web sites where i know to get are pornsites :p i dont think we want to test with that :rolleyes:), so if any can post a nice file here to download, i suggest a legal movie triler/preview

thats all.