Realizing why I just can't buy the TG01

[nir36]

I reviewed a few new devices in pdadb.net today and felt jealous.

the TG01 is obviously a stronger device than any HTC device in the market.

There are actually only two reasons to why i can't purchase it (and why i bought an HD second hand from a member of xda-devs). The reasons are that there's no Xda-devs support for non-HTC devices and that the battery is 1000mA (which is nothing less than pathetic).

Being an active member of Xda-devs makes it impossible to even think of other devices (and while it sounds like it's a bad thing, we all know it is impossible to support all devices in the world). the iPhone feels like a joke and while the TG01 feels like god, without software perfection, ROM cooking, direct device support.. theme and skin creation.. modding.. and so forth, I would feel naked having a device which isn't supported by the biggest PDA community in the world.

I wish HTC figured out it's mid 2009 and upgraded.
I mean.. fuck.. a 1000Mhz processor is a freaking stable pentium 3 (by the way, the most stable processor ever presented (electronicallywise) is considered to be the pentium 3 1000). Having a 4.1 screen on a device which isn't much larger than the HD.. is very thin... good looking.. is like a dream. If not only for saying I don't have a Qualcomm processor.. i'd get the TG01.

From here on.. it's all tragedy. It's somewhat of an analogy to not being able to buy a perfect device because your network doesn't support it.

To be completely honest, I think it's a disgrace that the Touch HD runs on a 528Mhz processor instead of a 628.. and that the Rhodium and Diamond 2 have the same one.

Anyways.. just pointing out the obvious.
Think of the first device you ever had. Think of how it was before you first got involved with this forum.. and think of the after image.
Think of the second device you bought.. and do the same.

...........the day i stepped into this place, i virtually got married. for bad or for good.

mostly for good.

[josefcrist]

i kinda feel the same way but i am looking at the new Toshiba model with a keyboard.

well there is always my site.

[netnerd]

i'm not buying the Toshiba TG01 cus it a freaking BRICK!
we got to stop buying their freaking BRICK!
otherwise they going to make cellphone BIGGER AND BIGGER!
how about TG01+, it' only .5" bigger, .....at 4.6" screen.
then TG01++, it' only 1" bigger! ............ at 5.6" inches!
then SUPER TG01 only 1.3" bigger!.....at 7" screen!
if we dont stop buying their junk, they going try to sell you a 7" cellphone! haha

[oic0]

All you really miss out on are the roms. Almost everything else is somewhat universal ;)
I agree though, the battery capacity is half of what mine is and the phone is 5 times as fast with a bigger screen. Very lame.

[nonzenze]

Thickness is more important than the other 2 dimensions, IMO. It's not a brick cuz it's actually thinner than the iphone.

[yarod_g14]

Hi all, hope everyone is well :)

@ nir36
I wish I could be more appreciative and less critical of the level of elitism that is now being shown by XDA-DEVS but.....its evolution lol

I have been around here since....2003 or something (viewing) - since I got my original SPV and my mate had an original XDA - what a marvel of tech they were lol....and things have swung right around.

I remember being a modaco member and being much more active over there as XDA - DEVS was not such a user forum but more of a dev forum. Buzz lightyear and co made waves and I(we - most people) surfed along - downloaded and experienced as opposed to inputing lol....

Back then HTC were the ONLY (in general) company that made decent PDA's - they were the only company that actually sold them through service providers in the UK and so had a complete strangle hold on the MArket. If you wanted a GSM windows mobile then you had to get an XDA/MDA/SPV - all HTC......

Now things are different in many many ways.

XDA devs is now as much a user forum as a Dev forum.
How many times do you see rude people dissing newbies - dont post here dont ask - Are you stupid why cant you search etc. Pointless elitism. Just help if you can or shutup maybe lol? Of course Ban trolls.....

Also Windows mobile phones are now available from a number of carriers all from different manufacturers......

So, when I got my Omnia (now sold, back to WM 6.5 HTC advantage/N95 8GB combo) I was naturally shocked to hear that XDA were refusing to have a device section for it.....

I was baffled - Omnia is the best small Win mobile device I have ever used in terms of all round ability. It has spot on hardware, very good media capabilities.

Many many users here got one and wanted a device section. It almost destroyed my faith in the device as I realised the level of commaraderie and support would not exist (so I thought)

There were polls and questionaires etc - everyone wanted OMnia to have its own section but it wouldnt come.......
I used to think that HTC paid XDA devs and actually gave us all more rights than others when it came to new builds and ROMS etc.....but now I realise that HTC were the Pioneers and there was no point having a site dealing with win mo specific (not HTC specific) as HTC WERE WINDOWS MOBILE!! When people used to search for Win mo it was either for IPAQ or XDA as that was ALL THERE WAS widely available.

Then I realised that XDA devs is not all there is to the world of Windows Mobile.......there are many many forums with huge numbers of devs all churning out ROMS :)

So what I am getting to here - is that the hardware should be our driving force! We should get the best hardware wise devices and all work together where - ever we have to and apply the fixes and builds from here - to other devices!!

www.omnia.com (or similar) is a great resource and it willl only get better. I expect the same for all new gen devices. We are the users. We are the drivers. If enough people all buy TG01's and club together to buy one for example CMONEX/MITCHYPRIMA or who ever (someone interested in the device lol) then we will get ROMS and the future is orange.

So get a TG01 (- me too if Omnia HD and N97 are both pointless, I can see no reason to get a touch pro 2 - where is my 3.5"?? Where is my direction pad? - duh!? -)

God damn it we will start a forum together :) club in buy some devices and flash until I am bored or happy.....

Toshiba and Samsung sales must be looking over here and saying to them selves - this type of community is the future, it drives sales for the platform.

Hopefully a bigger all in one Windows Mobile forum will start somewhere that will garner support from all users here and all other locations.....

We are all getting more out of Windows mobile as we rip from device to device........seems logical the next step is to include all manufactureres....

[nezz]

What I don't like about HTC is thier market policy. I'm not the type who is going to buy an expensive device with an expensive contract. I want to buy my phones from real, authorised distributors, just like I do with all the PC parts I use in the PCs I sell. Getting an HTC device here in Hungary is way too expensive right now.

[xtop]

is there no chance of having a forum dedicated to non-htc devices? because if the superstar can't match up well against the tg01, i'm going with the tg01. and i'd hate to lose this great wealth of knowledge here :(

[nezz]

Well, nvidia will make sure that snapdragon won't be better (if not then. At least in 3D and watching videos with anything other than WMP :)
If the community is strong enough it will make it's own forum.

[adeltaY]

I would buy the TG01, hopefully some other site will support the ROMs for it, but I'm stuck between it and the Omnia HD . . . :D

[Menneisyys]

i'm not buying the Toshiba TG01 cus it a freaking BRICK!
we got to stop buying their freaking BRICK!
otherwise they going to make cellphone BIGGER AND BIGGER!
how about TG01+, it' only .5" bigger, .....at 4.6" screen.
then TG01++, it' only 1" bigger! ............ at 5.6" inches!
then SUPER TG01 only 1.3" bigger!.....at 7" screen!
if we dont stop buying their junk, they going try to sell you a 7" cellphone! haha

That "junk" is, currently, the only phone to have an 1 GHz Snapdragon... Which, in my real-world H.264 decoding tests, have turned out to be at least 50% faster than 624 MHz XScale CPU's. That is, it has a LOT of computing power.

[Tsadila]

All you really miss out on are the roms. Almost everything else is somewhat universal ;)

True. xda devs came pretty handy with my (brrrrr. trying to shake off the memory) LG KS20

[netnerd]

That "junk" is, currently, the only phone to have an 1 GHz Snapdragon... Which, in my real-world H.264 decoding tests, have turned out to be at least 50% faster than 624 MHz XScale CPU's. That is, it has a LOT of computing power.

i just saw some1 on costco wearing Iphone on belt clip, that thing is big, that is not sexy! this TG01 will make u even more ugly! haha

[slick69]

I love big screens! 2.8" VGA screens hurt my eyes, and 3.5-4" is the sweet spot for size versus clarity. A thin device with a small bezel and a 4" wide screen can still fit in a pocket.

[skaroger867]

eh i kinda like it, sure it is big but i stick my phone in my back pocket so as long as it fits...lol. but really wow it has six more stand by hours than the viva but three less talk time. seems like you would be charging it every day.

[adeltaY]

i just saw some1 on costco wearing Iphone on belt clip, that thing is big, that is not sexy! this TG01 will make u even more ugly! haha

If you like small screens, why not appeal to HTC to make some 2 inch ones specially for you? I think that most of us like bigger screens cuz we're cool like that. :D

[galaxys]

The PPC big screens are great for GPS, Movies, Internet, Touch, Pics, etc...with them I don't have to carry around a PC laptop! That's why the HD, Iphonie, and soon the TGxx are the most popular devices.

[cktlcmd]

i'm not buying the Toshiba TG01 cus it a freaking BRICK!
we got to stop buying their freaking BRICK!
otherwise they going to make cellphone BIGGER AND BIGGER!
how about TG01+, it' only .5" bigger, .....at 4.6" screen.
then TG01++, it' only 1" bigger! ............ at 5.6" inches!
then SUPER TG01 only 1.3" bigger!.....at 7" screen!
if we dont stop buying their junk, they going try to sell you a 7" cellphone! haha

I am a fan of clamshell type devices, so having a big device is a trade off. I don't mind a big device as long as it will still fit in a big pocket or pouch. I agree that a 7 inch screen is too big. I believe it should not be bigger than a 5 inch screen, it can be made a little longer though.

[Zuber]

I believe it should not be bigger than a 5 inch screen, it can be made a little longer though.

I think 5 inch is proably stretching it if you want it as a phone (as in hold it to your ear).

The TG01 is already pushing, but slimness helps. If you had a device same size as TG01 but less of it is border, then you would effectively have 4.5 inch maybe.

Zuber

[Tsadila]

For those of you who are a bit younger, I should also point out that back in the 90s, ALL devices were HUGE and where weighting more than 1 kilo

[cktlcmd]

For those of you who are a bit younger, I should also point out that back in the 90s, ALL devices were HUGE and where weighting more than 1 kilo

Funny that you mentioned those. My Dad still has one of those in the drawer.

[galaxys]

^^LOL, back then they only had big Phones, no PPC's or Smart Phones!

[netnerd]

For those of you who are a bit younger, I should also point out that back in the 90s, ALL devices were HUGE and where weighting more than 1 kilo

so u want to go back to the future? err, go back to the past? haha

[nir36]

First of all, i'm not saying we all have to cling to HTC devices.. what i am saying is.. that it's almost impossible to give up an HTC device because Xda-devs exist.

xda-devs to PDAs is like microsoft is to PCs.. you CAN give up windows and work with linux.. but as windows is so well known and everything fits into it... it's very very hard to move on. so having 2 operating systems is not a problem... but using 2 devices is ... pointless on my part. xda-devs has a monopoly as i see it.. not because it forces people to use HTC devices.. there's no.. XDA-devs prison.. it's because this place is so fucking full of knowledge, applications.. answers.. modding.. that if you got something that isn't supported by it it would be like buying a computer from a company that doesn't provide support.

I understand why we can't add more devices. it was clarified long ago that if we added the Omnia we'd have to add the TG01 and the LG ones and the Acer ones and... so forth. It is impossible.. datawise and.. everythingelsewise.. to keep a tidy, professional forum.. which contains all devices in the world.

I am for creating new forums for different companies/devices.. but that means having to work for YEARS before getting good results. nothing goes easy.

[orb3000]

Well said nir36!

I´m completly agree
Good luck with your new forums!

[adeltaY]

That would be great! Different forums for different companies makes sense. However, I must say that the Omnia is so much more popular than most of the HTC devices represented by XDA-Dev, like the Touch Cruise 09, and some of the older models . . .

[nir36]

That would be great! Different forums for different companies makes sense. However, I must say that the Omnia is so much more popular than most of the HTC devices represented by XDA-Dev, like the Touch Cruise 09, and some of the older models . . .

It doesn't matter... Xda-devs is a forum dealing with HTC devices.. that's all. You don't go into a Nike shoe store and ask them why they aren't selling Adidas.

I'm not going to work on new forums.. first of all because I'm content with this place (disregarding my mod status) and secodnly because i don't have time. I do, tho, encourage people (and have in the past) to start forums for OTHER devices..

[NeoS]

I completely agree, nir36. But that's why XDA is so great. If we (xda) can get those Qualcomm chipsets perform the way they should, it should be less of a problem. Look at the Blackstone. That device has a great screen and alot of users are happy with it, regardless of the performance.

But when people become aware of this, they tend to start great things, like starting a community to better their devices (XDA, htcclassaction.org, etc.)

So, let's make people aware. :)

[miqueloi]

Originally Posted by yarod_g14 "So what I am getting to here - is that the hardware should be our driving force! We should get the best hardware wise devices and all work together where - ever we have to and apply the fixes and builds from here - to other devices!!"I couldn't agree more.
I also agree with you guys, and understand your points... But as I see it, the question is if xda-devs want to be a part of the development that is coming with the snapdragon or newer phones with stronger hardware, instead of limit the developers to htc. It is my understanding that if xda-devs doesn't approve or want to create a platform for developers to gather their knowledge, the developers will have to use other forums, which eventually will appear.

It is my wish to see a sister forum to xda-devs for other brands like Toshiba, blackberry, apple... Especially because I have fed from you guys expert knowledge in xda-devs and i'm more than greatful to you...

Best regards
Miqueloi

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