WM 6.1 vs, WM 6.5

[Make My Day!]

I want know which Rom is better in

Free Ram
Performence
Storage
compatible with software
Battery Drain

[ahraah]

I want know which Rom is better in

Free Ram
Performence
Storage
compatible with software
Battery Drain

6.1 works great with me

[goofy3]

6.1 is better in everything you wrote ;)

[thout]

6.1 will be better

[davidl2]

from what I heard, 6.5 would be slower, memory hunger, cpu eater...

[sole71]

hello
WM6.1 more free RAM
WM6.5 more responsive
This is what I can say comparing the ROMs of CV93+Oggi.
Regards

[zmuda]

Hi to all.

For me , not exist a rom ok for all.
WM 6.1 is ok for any function but is slow.
WM 6.5 is very fast , but again is not regulary ,
with many bugs,

I am waiting a rom very very beautifull ,
without bugs.
When ????

Bye .......

[sohil]

i found 6.1 is much faster and good ram Management, some of rom like i m using NiAx 40 which is very clean, i have tried couple of 6.5 rom but they are very slow and un stable, i would better stick with 6.1, may be 6.5 requires more ram then TRINITY have.

[chanvi93]

Hello all
WM 6.1 is in the end and WM 6.5 is in beginning of development .
6.5 is faster , nicer , smoother etc... 6.1 but use 4 or 5 MB of RAM more , my latest wm 6.1 in Ultra Lite has more than 31 MB of RAM and latest 6.5 has only 27 MB and can to be daily use .
Hope this synthese help you .

[BigE]

Folks,

I think Chanvi gave the best answer so let me just repeat it and add:

1. WM6.1 is at the end of the road. True, there isn't yet a phone that comes with WM6.5 but soon it will start.
2. WM6.1 has an advantage regarding free RAM. However, with some clever tweaks (using kitchens) it is possible to create a ROM that will serve ANY application that runs on WM6.1 to run on WM6.5
3. WM6.5 has more than few annoying bugs of WM6.1 resolved. Original WM6.1 used to have some major issues, such as lock users out with 'wrong password' and other MS crap. It was all fixed in WM6.5
4. The GUI in WM6.5 is great. It takes time to get used to it, and I was between the ones complaining about the change it took from WM6.1 but the naked truth is when i tried to be back to WM6.1 it was bad experience for me.
5. Finger friendly- I hardly use the stylus in WM6.5 So much easier than WM6.1 was.
6. Stability- Sorry to 'disappoint' you, but at least Chanvi came up with a set of ROMs that are too good to be true. not one crash since April (two months) , great memory management (no leaks) and good battery life. It isn't all WM6.5, it is , I think, because Chanvi and Oggi are very talanted. Nevertheless- WM6.5 is , by far, superior to WM6.1

And I was one of the people thinking WM6.5 was too heavy for our trinity..:D

To get you an idea: I run 3 email accounts (one exchange) , my today plugin is home2 (heavy graphics) and I use iGO8 for GPS navigation, with high resolution and 3D (but no TTS).

And lastly- it makes the phone beautiful. Whenever someone shows me his iPHONE/Samsung/HTC Fuze/whatever with standard ROM, and I show him my cooked WM6.5 on a 3 years old phone (!) it is impressive... and runs as good as theirs, if not better. 3 years in phone years is 21 years in dog years.. LOL.. so much for phones, especially XDA ones.

[neato4u]

well apart from the comments above I personally think I like 6.1 better.

Used chanvi 6.5 for 2 weeks, and I can't stand the slow response of the device, especially accessing my SMS (i store lots of em) and it takes more time to load and switch between applications (about 2 - 4 seconds more than when using 6.1).

I even flashed 6.5 onto my friend phone, as to try out the new and latest OS, and he too came back to me after a week, saying please save me and reflash back 6.1 as it's too slow for him.

We are business users hence accessing options like SMS, MMS, and web browser and switching back and fourth between applications should be fast. Unfortunately 6.5 does not provide that. It's fast, but just the today's interface and when clicking start, but when you actually load any application, it will take longer than 6.1 which we can't bare anymore..

In the end, my friend flashed trynnt ROM and I flashed another ROM which uses diamond interface runs on 6.1 and have no speed issues anymore.

[chanvi93]

well apart from the comments above I personally think I like 6.1 better.

Used chanvi 6.5 for 2 weeks, and I can't stand the slow response of the device, especially accessing my SMS (i store lots of em) and it takes more time to load and switch between applications (about 2 - 4 seconds more than when using 6.1).

I even flashed 6.5 onto my friend phone, as to try out the new and latest OS, and he too came back to me after a week, saying please save me and reflash back 6.1 as it's too slow for him.

We are business users hence accessing options like SMS, MMS, and web browser and switching back and fourth between applications should be fast. Unfortunately 6.5 does not provide that. It's fast, but just the today's interface and when clicking start, but when you actually load any application, it will take longer than 6.1 which we can't bare anymore..

In the end, my friend flashed trynnt ROM and I flashed another ROM which uses diamond interface runs on 6.1 and have no speed issues anymore.

Hi neato2u
I'm agree only on thing with you on IE (web browser) is not good in WM 6.5 if you use new IE8 with widgets , it's very slow and lag because our device have not enough free CPU (not ram) .
I use also in professional and business , i don't know exactly how many e mail i have (stored in sd card) but certainly more than 1 thousand with 3 account , Tomtom 7.910 daily use ,more than 2 hours phone (Voip included) by day et... , my rom is a Extra Ultra Full with Titanium + Manila + SPB Mobile as interface , i change interface when in job or wk or holidays . Never problem crash or other , only one thing is true , some app. like "Auto Hibernate" or "Activesync Killer" don't work in wm 6.5 so recently i find and use cleanRAM level3 with settings by run auto all 3 hours .
You can not compare HTCHome interface with Titanium or Manila , of course HTCHome is the lighter interface but older also , you can also install HTCHome in wm 6.5 , it will work better than in 6.1
Regards

[BigE]

well apart from the comments above I personally think I like 6.1 better.

Used chanvi 6.5 for 2 weeks, and I can't stand the slow response of the device, especially accessing my SMS (i store lots of em) and it takes more time to load and switch between applications (about 2 - 4 seconds more than when using 6.1).

Some comments, as you did not mention some crucial info...

1. Have you tried IE6UltraLite ROM?
2. Do you support the phone with any tools like SKTOOLS for memory managment and shadow RAM services?
3. Ever tried opera MINI 4.2? (not opera mobile, don't confuse between the two). IE6 or IE8 are a disaster app, regardless if you use WM6.1 or WM6.5

I am, like you, using this XDA for business. I have no issues with either OS, provided I am taking good care of the installation of the above. Please keep in mind this phobe is not HTC but Dopod (were bought by HTC) and since WM5 there is not much of support for it by HTC. If you intend to keep using the trinity, even if with WM6.1, you can make it more efficient.

If you have installed the full blown IE8 version, yes, I agree with you it is not business oriented. But Chanvi has the lite just for the business side of it.

Besides, if you are really away from a computer and use your phone heavily, making it finger friendly is the main thing WM6.1 is missing. The GUI (and I mean the pull down menus) is what makes the difference for me. I was hesitating a lot with WM6.5 until Chanvi proved me step by step how WM6.5 can give me what i am looking for.

Other than that, the naked truth is a 64M RAM phone is a joke.

BigE

[mur1]

wm 6.1 is better u can do more :)

[gepy73]

Hi all
this is my first fost...sorry for my bad english.
After a lot of change now i'n usin PDA ROM WM6.5 V49.
It works very well...fast and stable. For me is the best one now.
bye
:)

[sohil]

Hello all
WM 6.1 is in the end and WM 6.5 is in beginning of development .
6.5 is faster , nicer , smoother etc... 6.1 but use 4 or 5 MB of RAM more , my latest wm 6.1 in Ultra Lite has more than 31 MB of RAM and latest 6.5 has only 27 MB and can to be daily use .
Hope this synthese help you .

brother u r doing a good job but as u have said "WM 6.5 is in beginning of development" is right i have used ur lite 6.5 rom for couple of days and found is not stable as 6.1. (i m sorry if i have disappointed you)

i really appreciate your contribution to the forum and i will keep track of ur roms.

Thanks
regards

[mobilx]

Please share your findings. How did you conclude its unstable?

Regards

brother u r doing a good job but as u have said "WM 6.5 is in beginning of development" is right i have used ur lite 6.5 rom for couple of days and found is not stable as 6.1. (i m sorry if i have disappointed you)

i really appreciate your contribution to the forum and i will keep track of ur roms.

Thanks
regards

[juan_sck]

Folks,

I think Chanvi gave the best answer so let me just repeat it and add:

1. WM6.1 is at the end of the road. True, there isn't yet a phone that comes with WM6.5 but soon it will start.
2. WM6.1 has an advantage regarding free RAM. However, with some clever tweaks (using kitchens) it is possible to create a ROM that will serve ANY application that runs on WM6.1 to run on WM6.5
3. WM6.5 has more than few annoying bugs of WM6.1 resolved. Original WM6.1 used to have some major issues, such as lock users out with 'wrong password' and other MS crap. It was all fixed in WM6.5
4. The GUI in WM6.5 is great. It takes time to get used to it, and I was between the ones complaining about the change it took from WM6.1 but the naked truth is when i tried to be back to WM6.1 it was bad experience for me.
5. Finger friendly- I hardly use the stylus in WM6.5 So much easier than WM6.1 was.
6. Stability- Sorry to 'disappoint' you, but at least Chanvi came up with a set of ROMs that are too good to be true. not one crash since April (two months) , great memory management (no leaks) and good battery life. It isn't all WM6.5, it is , I think, because Chanvi and Oggi are very talanted. Nevertheless- WM6.5 is , by far, superior to WM6.1

And I was one of the people thinking WM6.5 was too heavy for our trinity..:D

To get you an idea: I run 3 email accounts (one exchange) , my today plugin is home2 (heavy graphics) and I use iGO8 for GPS navigation, with high resolution and 3D (but no TTS).

And lastly- it makes the phone beautiful. Whenever someone shows me his iPHONE/Samsung/HTC Fuze/whatever with standard ROM, and I show him my cooked WM6.5 on a 3 years old phone (!) it is impressive... and runs as good as theirs, if not better. 3 years in phone years is 21 years in dog years.. LOL.. so much for phones, especially XDA ones.

I'm agree with almost everything you said, but I think those few MB of RAM consumption difference are critical. I installed CV93+Oggi WM 6.5 OS 21501 and since can't use iGO (I tried several versions, even the new amigo) and it always says "out of memory" after a few minutes in best case. So if you need any RAM hungry app 6.5 is not for you, in any other case it may be the best option.
My impressions are: battery works for much longer, about 10 more hours with low/normal use (no wifi or bt, just phone). Screen and phone perfomance are better, in apps it's the same than 6.1. And I didn't find any incompatible software.

If there was anyway to close CHome, like manilla, we could get a few more RAM.

[SuperSport]

I'm agree with almost everything you said, but I think those few MB of RAM consumption difference are critical. I installed CV93+Oggi WM 6.5 OS 21501 and since can't use iGO (I tried several versions, even the new amigo) and it always says "out of memory" after a few minutes in best case. So if you need any RAM hungry app 6.5 is not for you, in any other case it may be the best option.
My impressions are: battery works for much longer, about 10 more hours with low/normal use (no wifi or bt, just phone). Screen and phone perfomance are better, in apps it's the same than 6.1. And I didn't find any incompatible software.

If there was anyway to close CHome, like manilla, we could get a few more RAM.

If you use Chanvi's latest WM 6.5 Kitchen, you can leave CHome and Manilla out completely! BigE is getting up to 29MB free in this way on one of his UltraLites. Without TTS, iGO8 breathes quite well on this.

[BigE]

If you use Chanvi's latest WM 6.5 Kitchen, you can leave CHome and Manilla out completely! BigE is getting up to 29MB free in this way on one of his UltraLites. Without TTS, iGO8 breathes quite well on this.

I certainly do.. my best results were with the 21232 IE6UltraLite by Chanvi. 27M free RAM and 78M free storage. I skinned out M2D and CHOME (I use home2) and I run SKTOOLS to optimize memory. Joel from Pointui has created a home2 file that will send graphics to the storage memory, and on top I am using mToday to switch all home pluggins off before i run iGO. I get 23-26M free RAM (23 if I do not soft reset, 26 if I do) and can run iGO in high resolution and buildings, while syncing with 3 email accounts, get text messages and calls. If you have more need than that, than trinity is not for you. It is a 4 years old device with miserable 64M RAM... we are kind of beating a dead horse here, and Chanvi is able to give it a nice push and keep it alive before Diamond2 is released (I mean 3G supported around the world, not just EU, hard SPL released for unlocking, and decent forum activity to support it with cooks and testing).

The thing is, I have to admit, in order to make the device 'behave' it takes some tweaking and knowlegde, and it is not for the lazy or faint heart user.. :)

BigE

[sohil]

Please share your findings. How did you conclude its unstable?

Regards

hi! these r the basic problem i have faced when ever i have used 6.5, but let me clear one thing as my job mostly require mobile communication i have used 6.5 only for a day, as i cant afford to miss a call.

1. during call waiting i cant take another call and it stalls if i take it. (needs to soft reset)

2. i m regular user of garmin xt 5.20 navigation software which get stalls if i try and zoom or changing some setting.(need to soft reset)

3. i have found 6.5 is slower then 6.1

regards

[BigE]

i have found 6.5 is slower then 6.1

regards

Let's try to take it to a more scientific approach..

'speed' is not something one can measure... Let's discuss it as follows:

1. First declare what ROM do you have, how much of free RAM and choose a setup (with today plugin, without, whatever) so we can compare apples to apples.

2. choose an operation as you base test and measure the time it takes. Now you have a tool to compare and state what takes less time, hence faster.

3. I found that if you have platy of RAM you get better results. Many times there are processes in the background (you can see them with task manager) you don't know about.

Personally I have seen faster WM6.1 than Chanvi's WM6.5 as much as I have seen slower ones. The question is what do you pay for the speed. tnyynt used to have a super ultra naked WM6.1 that was very fast. Would i use it? probably not, considering the things one has to give up for a second faster apps... but now we get into taste, and it can not be scientifically measured as well.. :p

bigE

[wabre]

Let's try to take it to a more scientific approach..

'speed' is not something one can measure... Let's discuss it as follows:

1. First declare what ROM do you have, how much of free RAM and choose a setup (with today plugin, without, whatever) so we can compare apples to apples.

2. choose an operation as you base test and measure the time it takes. Now you have a tool to compare and state what takes less time, hence faster.

3. I found that if you have platy of RAM you get better results. Many times there are processes in the background (you can see them with task manager) you don't know about.

Personally I have seen faster WM6.1 than Chanvi's WM6.5 as much as I have seen slower ones. The question is what do you pay for the speed. tnyynt used to have a super ultra naked WM6.1 that was very fast. Would i use it? probably not, considering the things one has to give up for a second faster apps... but now we get into taste, and it can not be scientifically measured as well.. :p

bigE

Obviously you're right that we need to provide more info when stating a comparison which may lead to wrong conclusions. but not everybody will be spending hours/days/weeks tweaking every single setting/app in his phone. some people come here to try something new and flash a winmo 5 based device with 6.1 and/or 6.5. already flashing is not something everybody can or should do. and then the first impression is always the first impression. there is no second first impression, even after tweaking. some people just won't have the time or interest in tweaking to the last thing available.

me personally i prefer 6.5 (chanvi) and tested some apps, an "out of memory" message when using only iGO 8 is something quite annoying - and that's definitely not chanvis error, but we cannot expect too much from this quite old device. i think 6.1 is like XP, it's end of life but proven and stable and there's a lot out there. 6.5 is exciting and new, better in GUI and in basically everything...but...the device is not meant to run it flawlessly. so in the end if think 6.1 is the better choice as a whole for this device. otherwise sell it on ebay and get a newer device.

oh and a question: i want to test 6.5 more but apart from chanvi are there others which can be considered? i know lots of people put some extremely serious effort in developing roms, but in the end there are some few which really are better

[sohil]

Let's try to take it to a more scientific approach..

'speed' is not something one can measure... Let's discuss it as follows:

1. First declare what ROM do you have, how much of free RAM and choose a setup (with today plugin, without, whatever) so we can compare apples to apples.

2. choose an operation as you base test and measure the time it takes. Now you have a tool to compare and state what takes less time, hence faster.

3. I found that if you have platy of RAM you get better results. Many times there are processes in the background (you can see them with task manager) you don't know about.

Personally I have seen faster WM6.1 than Chanvi's WM6.5 as much as I have seen slower ones. The question is what do you pay for the speed. tnyynt used to have a super ultra naked WM6.1 that was very fast. Would i use it? probably not, considering the things one has to give up for a second faster apps... but now we get into taste, and it can not be scientifically measured as well.. :p

bigE

hi

you are right, let us put some time on this testing.

we should make a team of people who are willing to put some time on testing,
and with different 6.1 / 6.5 roms. and with specific programs decided by team installed and then let them use their trinity for at least for one week.
then we can conclude, by asking them to note how many times they have done rest, for what reason etc.

regards

[du9mp]

6.1 works great with me
I am too.;)

[juan_sck]

oh and a question: i want to test 6.5 more but apart from chanvi are there others which can be considered? i know lots of people put some extremely serious effort in developing roms, but in the end there are some few which really are better

nikitto from old niax team still makes spanish roms and shares kitchen.
his latest rom has 3 versions: CHome, Manilla and HTC Home. This version has about 80MB free for storage and 20MB for program, that sounds great, I may try it today.
Check it out here: http://www.htcmania.com/showthread.php?t=49847