[PRJ][16 Dec: v0.4.5] NEW VERSION! Open-source project:Slide2Send SMS app![NOW $310!]

[longice]

Welcome to the XDA community open-source project:
The building of a lightweight, smooth and sweeeet style
SMS & MMS http://forum.xda-developers.com/image.php?u=665308&type=sigpic&dateline=1243945136 application!



New thread for mb286's S2S app can be found by clicking HERE (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=602638)

This release features:
- Folder View (Swipe from right to left in inbox view
- New SMS (Swipe from left to right in inbox view)
- Slide2Send (in new message view)
- Slide2Reply (in detail message view)
- Some default (color) skinning in the settings.xml
- It should display in both QVGA,WQVGA and VGA,WQVGA.


Google Code repository here (http://code.google.com/p/slide2send/)


Also, check out TeDeV's graphics only alpha version of Slide2Send (v0.02). See his post here (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=3914827&postcount=219)! Direct download here (http://rapidshare.com/files/241991047/s2s.rar) and here (http://charleysburleson.com/other-files/s2s.rar). [/center]



The application development has the following high priorities:
- sending/receiving SMS (of course)
- finger-friendly, sweeeet and attractive UI
- multi-resolution
- being lightweight and fast
- Slide2-buttons (e.g. Slide2Send, Slide2Reply, Slide2NewMsg etc) - check out the mockups

Second priority (other features that hopefully will be possible later on):
- complete WM Messaging replacement
- easily skinable
- easily translatable
- threaded messaging & normal mode, including easy switching
- multiple receivers
- easy to add recipients (like poutlook: Type-and-search)
- preferably small (max. 1-2 mb)
- preferably instant call when pressing a contact picture in message view
- email support and integration
- MMS support and integration
- MMS preview in conversation view
- option to choose between Slide2 slide bar and regular Send button

Remember that the second priority features are not first priority. This means that you can't expect this to be available just yet. But it be available later, so stay tuned to get all the updates!


The bounty will be shared between the most active developers. I don't take any responsibility for others to pay, but I trust everyone to be honest and pay!

Donations in USD (requested functionality):
longICE $20
thatruth132 $20
dickenz §10
rjmjr69 $30 (notification)
eranyanay $10
Naffets $10 (threaded view)
Winker-Omnia $10 (notification & auto-retry-send)
aiiro $10 (QVGA)
norkoastal $10 (complete WM integration)
TheDude1120 $10
Sophos1 $10
PhantomDj $20 (non-threaded view)
heazky $10
atmt $20 (non-threaded view)
_4saken_ $15 (email support & activesync database)
darrenn $5
charm1718 $10
Sean D. $25 (QVGA support & scheduled sending)
DatDereX1 $10 (WVGA)
t1one $10 (QVGA & default SMS app)
iridium21 $15 (total replacement)
cooleydan5 $20



Dickenz has made some great mockups (thnx man!!), check out his newest concept UI - updated June 4th - (his post is here (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=3898791&postcount=134), go read it!):
http://i40.tinypic.com/t9e5io.jpg http://i39.tinypic.com/2cpor47.jpg
http://i42.tinypic.com/2wpqnx3.jpg http://i39.tinypic.com/349cg3p.jpg


Other contributions are found here:
Inbox (http://forum.xda-developers.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=190902&stc=1&d=1243887931)
Black theme image 1 (http://forum.xda-developers.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=190738&d=1243861142)
Black theme image 2 (http://forum.xda-developers.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=190740&d=1243861142)
The "original" mockups are attached to this post.

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[Aegishua]

Hmm a lightweight SMS program would be exceptional.. except the windows Messaging app seems to be as light as it will get.. It doesnt use any unnecessary graphics and its fairly smooth in WM6.5.

Anyways a +1 from me if its smooth, looks alright and is easy to use

[Sean D.]

Yeah, as much as I'd like to see something like this I'm beginning to think its a bit of a pipe dream too.

[hyperfire21]

instead of a new app.. what about skins for the MS app?

[Aegishua]

instead of a new app.. what about skins for the MS app?

A great idea except it would be far too difficult to do.. when creating a new 'light' app is so much more feasable.

[TheParadox]

I have decent Visual Studio Skills. I could MAYBE try to make something like this. I think the current one is very lite as it is though...What do you want so different?

[oknaka1]

+1 for this too. I would like really want a new app for sms in WM as clearly there aren't any decent ones out there atm as far i can see..

[Touchmypro]

I actually searched for this too when I first got my Fuze and started flashing. The default WinMo Sms and it's functions isn't actually bad,but it would be AWESOME to be able to skin it!!! :D

[mohen]

i think M$ kinda mess up with the bulitin SMS app.
will be nice if we had a lighter software than what we got supply with :)

[mohen]

i think M$ kinda mess up with the bulitin SMS app.
will be nice if we had a lighter software than what we got supply with :)

[longice]

Wow, great response on this thread already, it seems that there is a need for an app - or a skinning tool - like this! Please, people, give your opinion about this!

@TheParadox: WMs SMS app is okay, but I have never seen any app as ugly as this one ;) And, it's all so small - adding new recipients, selecting text in the message, pushing buttons etc. If you have the skills for this, I'd LOVE it if you gave it a try! I know nothing about building apps and creating skins from scratch!

@hyperfire21 and Aegishua: There is, actually, one way to "skin" the default WM SMS app. It's called SMS Tweaker (see this post (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=394219)), but it's functionality is VERY limited. It lets you do only two things: Turn off threaded mode and change background on the message window. Last one is a nice feature, but it doesn't make the app much prettier!! :)

[Paul_Days]

Well HTC had an SMS "app" that is light and quick, used it in a Touch Pro 2. I don't know how to port but if we all focus on porting it, it can be done.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HOkZlsS_lFo&feature=fvst

See SMS @ 3:04


Paul

[longice]

Well HTC had an SMS "app" that is light and quick, used it in a Touch Pro 2. I don't know how to port but if we all focus on porting it, it can be done.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HOkZlsS_lFo&feature=fvst

See SMS @ 3:04

Yes, I know. But as far as I know from reading posts about this, it won't be possible to port it unless you're able to port the whole TF3D2. This is because the SMS app is part of the Manila in Touch Pro 2 and Diamond 2. And porting this seems to be hard - no one has been even close yet... :(

[adderz91]

Would love a SMS app.

I hate M$'s one, its so ugly and hard to use, almost requiring a style to use.

I would donate for an App like this.

Perhaps would could start a donation box to give devs an incentive. I saw a similar thing for something else on XDA, they have raised over $400.

Would be quite the incentive.

[longice]

Perhaps would could start a donation box to give devs an incentive. I saw a similar thing for something else on XDA, they have raised over $400.

Wow, that much!? Impressive! I wish I knew how to build an app like this :p Hopefully, someone does.......... I will donate for this as well!!

[Touchmypro]

http://forum.xda-developers.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=190460&stc=1&d=1243761215

[/QUOTE]

I love the concept of this idea,very nice job on the mock up :cool: You know what would actually finish this off is if there was the ability to put a contact picture next to both yours and the recipients name instead of just their pic at the top? Also maybe a little "x" in the corner of each message that you could delete that message individually if you wanted to? Just some suggestions to throw around to keep the ether up ;). I'm stoked at the prospect of this app actually being made!

P.S. The TouchPro 2 thing was ported for us Diamond Pro users and I personally hated it for the most part and wished it would have been removed from my favorite Tf3d2 ROM's

[longice]

I love the concept of this idea,very nice job on the mock up :cool: You know what would actually finish this off is if there was the ability to put a contact picture next to both yours and the recipients name instead of just their pic at the top? Also maybe a little "x" in the corner of each message that you could delete that message individually if you wanted to? Just some suggestions to throw around to keep the ether up ;). I'm stoked at the prospect of this app actually being made!

Great idea! I gave it a try, and with some adjustments I think it'll be a really good way to get quick access functionality.

See the SMS Inbox as well - now added Delete and Reply buttons here :)

Thnx! Keep on posting ideas for this! But please please let me know if you know how to build this app, 'cause I don't!! ;)

[longice]

instead of a new app.. what about skins for the MS app?

This would have been great, but I believe it's to difficult. And, it will limit the changing options. I want bigger and more finger-friendly buttons. And I don't want to have WM top and bottom bar visible, as they will take up to much of the screen. If you've tried S2V or iContact, you'll see that you can have the app running over the entire screen, and that is what I want this app to do as well :)

[l3v5y]

It might be possible to change bits of iContact in such a way as it uses SMS rather than contacts... I'll have a look into how SMS data can be got, but bare in mind I have exams, so it may take some time...

[flaviopac]

Nice! :):)

[longice]

It might be possible to change bits of iContact in such a way as it uses SMS rather than contacts... I'll have a look into how SMS data can be got, but bare in mind I have exams, so it may take some time...

That'll be just GREAT!! I really like iContacts, so if it's possible to "convert" it to be used for SMS, that's just what I want :D

I got exams myself, but this is sooo much more fun ;)

[l3v5y]

That'll be just GREAT!! I really like iContacts, so if it's possible to "convert" it to be used for SMS, that's just what I want :D

I got exams myself, but this is sooo much more fun ;)

Exams are boring, and annoying, but they do get me closer to a job... :S

If you have a look at this (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=497607) it shows what can be done to iContact.

I've also just found a sample threaded SMS application in the WM5 SDK....

[longice]

If you have a look at this (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=497607) it shows what can be done to iContact.

I've also just found a sample threaded SMS application in the WM5 SDK....

I see! This seems to be a perfect starting point for this SMS app... If you manage to build the basics, I'll be most helpful in creating skins ;)

Could you please point me to the SDK thread? Thnx!

[l3v5y]

I see! This seems to be a perfect starting point for this SMS app... If you manage to build the basics, I'll be most helpful in creating skins ;)

Could you please point me to the SDK thread? Thnx!

The SDK is available from MSDN...

The two most related SMS samples are this (http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms881526.aspx) and this (http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms880647.aspx) and

[longice]

The SDK is available from MSDN...

The two most related SMS samples are this (http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms881526.aspx) and this (http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms880647.aspx) and

Okay, thnx alot! I don't know if I got the skills to get into this kind of programming, but I'll have a look at it!

Please let me know if you manage to get an alpha-version of "iSMS" up and running :) (I guess that'll be the name? Hehe)

[alangel]

+1 from me for an app like this! I'm so sick of the WM thing... This is just what we need! :D When can we expect something like this?

[Touchmypro]

Okay, thnx alot! I don't know if I got the skills to get into this kind of programming, but I'll have a look at it!

Please let me know if you manage to get an alpha-version of "iSMS" up and running :) (I guess that'll be the name? Hehe)

iText ;)

No I don't do programing unfortunately otherwise this would be the first thing I would have made! Seriously! I have however been on pc's for a good 23 years and have played with every type of system out,I can find the flaws in anything and would be happy to test and give any input I could see. Good job again on the mock ups,that exactly like I was talking about! The only thing is on the main messaging screen where you pic your conversation it wouldnt need the "+" becasue pushing the big finger friendly button would select it :)

[longice]

iText ;)

No I don't do programing unfortunately otherwise this would be the first thing I would have made! Seriously! I have however been on pc's for a good 23 years and have played with every type of system out,I can find the flaws in anything and would be happy to test and give any input I could see. Good job again on the mock ups,that exactly like I was talking about! The only thing is on the main messaging screen where you pic your conversation it wouldnt need the "+" becasue pushing the big finger friendly button would select it :)

Hehe, I agree on the name! But I don't really like this i-thing on app names.. It gives me nightmares about The Big Brick (also known as iphone:p)! What about myTXT?

I definitively agree on the "+" thingy in the inbox view. I just put it there to see what it would look like... I guess there will be a lot of changes anyways, if this app ever gets made...

It seems like we gotta rely on l3v5y for developing? ;)

[longice]

Dear reader,

if you are really interested in an SMS app like this, you may wanna donate to whoever will create this application?

Post a message stating what you'd like to donate for a full release (version 1.0) of "myTXT"!! I'll put all donations on the first page. Hopefully, this will boost both the development speed and the quality of the product :D

The app needs to have the following:
- finger-friendly and sweeeet design
- sending/receiving SMS & MMS
- threaded messaging
- multiple receivers
- lightweight - gotta be fast to open and fast in use
- easily skinable
- easily translatable
- preferably small (max. 1-2 mb)


I'll be the first one out: I'll be happy to donate $ 20 to the first one releasing an application that satisfies my needs :cool:


Are you up for this, guys?

[supbro]

I don't really like this i-thing on app names..

+1

I didn't originate the "iContact" name :) I did originate "iDialer" but my next app won't be an "i" app!

Nice mockups, by the way. I've been wanting to give iContact a nice UI overhaul.

[longice]

+1

I didn't originate the "iContact" name :) I did originate "iDialer" but my next app won't be an "i" app!

Nice mockups, by the way. I've been wanting to give iContact a nice UI overhaul.

Hehe, that's good! I really love your work, supbro! Supware's great apps does really deserve a better name ;) Any chance that you'll be able to create an SMS app??? So far there's just $ 20 in the pot, but I'm sure it will increase greatly!

[Ang3lo]

I've a suggestion : a page which shows only unread messages (from everybody) with the ability to reply quickly would be a great feature, especially if we can set it as the program S2U2 launchs to view SMSs.

[longice]

I've a suggestion : a page which shows only unread messages (from everybody) with the ability to reply quickly would be a great feature, especially if we can set it as the program S2U2 launchs to view SMSs.

A good idea, but you don't need an app just for that. And it kinda exists already - the Manila 3D messaging tab shows the 25 most recent messages. You can change what app S2U2 opens and even make S2U2 open this tab directly when unlocking while viewing a received message. See this post (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=3860512&postcount=3705) :)

So I don't see the need for an app for just viewing and quick-replying - I want a completely new app for the entire SMS handling. Don't you too? ;)

[alexirsi]

Check this out... ;)
http://www.alexju.be/SMSChat

[longice]

Check this out... ;)
http://www.alexju.be/SMSChat

From the webpage:
Example: You are chatting with your buddy and you have something important to say, but unluckly you don't have money to call, so you can send 'call'-command that will execute on your buddy's mobile and call you.

Well, will you get a bunch of viruses and spyware on your own phone as well? This seems really fishy...!! But thnx for the suggestion :) Have you tried this software?

It looks kinda ugly as well, and has no finger-friendly UI, so I believe that even M$ is just as good..... :p

[moesfeld]

Hi there,
I´m looking for this kind of app since I own a windows mobile device.
Let me throw in the suggestion i had.

- Add Email support. Why? This would be the first finger frendly email app ever! and it could replace poutlook completely (well run on top of it)
If it will go commerical someday this would be a blast (Well if going commercial is possible when using IContact code)
Only MSDN related sample I found this this (http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms880682.aspx)
But the MAPI is quite well documented (Well there is more documented but allso less)
Mabe A_C could allso provide some Info about e-mail accessing since he just implemented e-mail preview into S2U2

P.S.:
Great work on the conversations and messages in the concept art:D:D:D

[longice]

Hi there,
I´m looking for this kind of app since I own a windows mobile device.
Let me throw in the suggestion i had.

- Add Email support. Why? This would be the first finger frendly email app ever! and it could replace poutlook completely (well run on top of it)
If it will go commerical someday this would be a blast (Well if going commercial is possible when using IContact code)
Only MSDN related sample I found this this (http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms880682.aspx)
But the MAPI is quite well documented (Well there is more documented but allso less)
Mabe A_C could allso provide some Info about e-mail accessing since he just implemented e-mail preview into S2U2

P.S.:
Great work on the conversations and messages in the concept art:D:D:D


Thnx for that, moesfeld! I will work on some new concept art when my exams are finished next week!

Regarding the email support: I'd really - really - appreciate it if e-mail support will be included as well. But I suppose it will demand more work and more time in the development process... So as a first release the SMS/MMS part is the most important, at least for me! But maybe v2 will include e-mail support? :)

There's a lot of interest for an app like this, I just hope that the developers will take the time to start working on it!!

You don't happen to have skills for this yourself? I know I don't!! :p

[moesfeld]

You don't happen to have skills for this yourself? I know I don't!! :p
Well I have some skills:
- Drinking beer
- Extreem power chilling on my couch/bed
- Telling other people what they should develop
- Cooking (No roms just food)
- A little mortscript

I looked a bit into the IContact sourcecode and understood most of it but seperating out the kinetic scrolling will be a pain in the arse since there are a lot of dependancies (at least what i saw in IContact AE).

I will start learning how to develop for WM and in 5 years the app might be done (When I have enough money to pay someone to do it for me):D

So I guess this comes down to: No I don´t have the skills to do this

[longice]

So I guess this comes down to: No I don´t have the skills to do this

Hahahaha, I see..!! It's strange though, I too have a lot of those skills that you do have ;)

Well, somebody developed iContact, and someone developed poutlook. So, hopefully, someone will develop this myTXT as well! I'm just about to upload some more concept images on the first post now!

[longice]

Here's a black UI concept as well:)

[oknaka1]

Looks good! +1 for this gd thread.

[masrterk]

Looks good! +1 for this gd thread.

~For Sms Vito sms chat is the best choice :)

[longice]

~For Sms Vito sms chat is the best choice :)

I don't agree with you at all :) I actually prefer WM poutlook over SMS-chat.

SMS-chat is a heavy and big app, which is really slow. And the UI is not easy or finger-friendly. You have to push two buttons just to send a message! Yes, I know it's to prevent sending on mistake. But that is just why I want the 'Send'-button on the top of the screen! And SMS chat has a loooong delay before it starts sending. This delay made me send one sms three times! Hehe...

In my opinion, SMS-chat doesn't integrate good enough, and the design is - if I'm gonna be kind - cheap looking....

The worst about it: $15!!!

So, I think you're wrong, and that's why we need something better ;)

[l3v5y]

I looked a bit into the IContact sourcecode and understood most of it but seperating out the kinetic scrolling will be a pain in the arse since there are a lot of dependancies (at least what i saw in IContact AE).
What I'm thinking of doing utilises most of the code of iContact, and just changes the functions of the lists (IE, the data that gets added to the lists) and the details screen for each section.

[longice]

What I'm thinking of doing utilises most of the code of iContact, and just changes the functions of the lists (IE, the data that gets added to the lists) and the details screen for each section.

Man, if you make this work, I might propose to you :p I'm really looking forward to seeing results of your work!! That Topaz just might get a little closer!

[tcchuin]

the "send" shouldnt at top of screen..quite tiring if we send alot of message

[longice]

the "send" shouldnt at top of screen..quite tiring if we send alot of message

Well, I believe that it won't be a problem. You push the X button in the top right to close all the time, right? I'm not tired of that yet;) The reason for putting it on top, is to avoid accidentally pressing the "Send" button while typing. And I don't like the confirmation-thing in Vito SMS-chat...

[gfandrea]

Vito sms chat looks very ugly on my touch HD, and i think on a vga device to,
i use it on mt htc touch, but now is dont worth the money.

[longice]

Vito sms chat looks very ugly on my touch HD, and i think on a vga device to,
i use it on mt htc touch, but now is dont worth the money.

I know, that's why I want a new app to be created! And preferably free, at least for a while :) I think it's much better to donate $20 than to pay $10 ;)

Sign up for donations, people! So far the pot is $40. If it gets bigger, maybe l3v5y will speed up the development? ;)

[longice]

http://forum.xda-developers.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=190905&stc=1&d=1243888395

So, what do you guys think of my last concept UI??? It's kinda similar to the TF3D2 UI, but isn't that what we want it to look like - but with a few improvements? :D

[alexirsi]

There should also be a small preview of the message. ;)
And of course: date and time.

[longice]

There should also be a small preview of the message. ;)
And of course: date and time.

Ah, of course, forgot about date and time on the last one! Thnx, will fix it tomorrow;)

About the preview - of course there will be one! I want the first part of the message to show in the list instead of just "Message" showing, just like in poutlook (standard WM sms app)! But I didn't bother to enter a separate text there just for the mockup, I hope you can forgive me.. Wait for the alpha for this, where there will be actual text messages (hopefully!!);)

And with more donations, I believe the alpha will arrive sooner......... Hehe!

[computerjunkie]

This is almost like VitoSMS...i've been using that for months...seems very stable and light.

[longice]

This is almost like VitoSMS...i've been using that for months...seems very stable and light.

Well, as I mentioned in the first post, I've already tried it. And I think that it's not good enough. I don't see it as a lightweight app as it's pretty slow, and I think that many things could have been made in an easier way. E.g. for sending a message, you need to press twice on different buttons. And still there's a quite long delay before it starts sending. Me no like :)

And, I don't like the look of it. Or the price:)

So, that's why I'm challenging the developers of the great XDA to create a new app!

[Sean D.]

http://forum.xda-developers.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=190905&stc=1&d=1243888395

So, what do you guys think of my last concept UI??? It's kinda similar to the TF3D2 UI, but isn't that what we want it to look like - but with a few improvements? :D

Okay, yeah... this is getting my vote. And will likely get my donation (assuming it's made for QVGA screens).
You will get even more $$$ from me if you can:
1). Make this accesible by clicking on the native HTC Home Text button (yeah, I'd rather stick with HTC Home!)

2) It would be even better if you can make a matching "myEmail". Threaded messaging, and all that good stuff. :D

[michd43]

I like the new HTC design the most. I'm a big fan of white and black. Hopefully the project will get started.

[oknaka1]

I don't agree with you at all :) I actually prefer WM poutlook over SMS-chat.

SMS-chat is a heavy and big app, which is really slow. And the UI is not easy or finger-friendly. You have to push two buttons just to send a message! Yes, I know it's to prevent sending on mistake. But that is just why I want the 'Send'-button on the top of the screen! And SMS chat has a loooong delay before it starts sending. This delay made me send one sms three times! Hehe...

In my opinion, SMS-chat doesn't integrate good enough, and the design is - if I'm gonna be kind - cheap looking....

The worst about it: $15!!!

So, I think you're wrong, and that's why we need something better ;)
You're quite a joke yeah. You only need to click once to send a msg! LOL.

http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/3928/screen01tso.jpg

[magicalan]

the only thing i dont like its the blue XD the rest its ok =D great work of art :P

[dickenz]

I'm gonna put my hand up here and say I'd love an SMS app also.
I'll happily assist with any graphics. Skinnable and NICE!!! whilst maintaining the threaded view would be the #1 goals in my opinion.

I'm jumping on the bandwagon and thinking we need something awesome so here is my concept UI design (trying to think outa the box! VGA res too):
Inbox:
http://i277.photobucket.com/albums/kk54/dknz13bt/Mytxt-concept1.jpg
Left softkey changes depending on whether a text message is selected or not. If a msg is selected, softkey = Reply. If no msg is selected, softkey = New SMS.

Conversation Screen:
http://i277.photobucket.com/albums/kk54/dknz13bt/Mytxt-concept2.jpg
Slide to send stops accidental sending of texts. The text message status is self explanatory and has a small indicator; Sent, Received, Unread.

New SMS:
http://i277.photobucket.com/albums/kk54/dknz13bt/Mytxt-concept3.jpg
You'd use the Contacts Softkey to select your recipient.

Please note these are just rough graphics and can be improved upon massively...

@Longice: I'll also add $10 USD to the pledge of this app.

I'd imagine I am with most others in this boat but I'd eventually love it to cover emails also.



EDIT: Maybe even a row of buttons somewhere on there would be handy especially in the inbox view. Actually on 2nd thoughts...
Inbox Concept #2:
http://i277.photobucket.com/albums/kk54/dknz13bt/Mytxt-concept4.jpg

[dickenz]

You're quite a joke yeah. You only need to click once to send a msg! LOL.

I still wouldn't pay $15.00 for that POS.

It may work but it looks like it's from Windows 3.1 era.

I'd much prefer a skinnable, free, community driven app that covers all the bases. We can't make changes or upgrades to SMS-Chat. You're living with VITO's constraints. You'd be free of all this with an app developed by someone here.

[moesfeld]

Slide to send stops accidental sending of texts.

Great Idea!

[dwizzy130]

I'm gonna put my hand up here and say I'd love an SMS app also.
I'll happily assist with any graphics. Skinnable and NICE!!! whilst maintaining the threaded view would be the #1 goals in my opinion.

I'm jumping on the bandwagon and thinking we need something awesome so here is my concept UI design (trying to think outa the box! VGA res too):
Inbox:
http://i277.photobucket.com/albums/kk54/dknz13bt/Mytxt-concept1.jpg
Left softkey changes depending on whether a text message is selected or not. If a msg is selected, softkey = Reply. If no msg is selected, softkey = New SMS.

Conversation Screen:
http://i277.photobucket.com/albums/kk54/dknz13bt/Mytxt-concept2.jpg
Slide to send stops accidental sending of texts. The text message status is self explanatory and has a small indicator; Sent, Received, Unread.

New SMS:
http://i277.photobucket.com/albums/kk54/dknz13bt/Mytxt-concept3.jpg
You'd use the Contacts Softkey to select your recipient.

Please note these are just rough graphics and can be improved upon massively...

@Longice: I'll also add $10 USD to the pledge of this app.

I'd imagine I am with most others in this boat but I'd eventually love it to cover emails also.



EDIT: Maybe even a row of buttons somewhere on there would be handy especially in the inbox view. Actually on 2nd thoughts...
Inbox Concept #2:
http://i277.photobucket.com/albums/kk54/dknz13bt/Mytxt-concept4.jpg



That is sexy! I would love that!

dwizzy130

[longice]

You're quite a joke yeah. You only need to click once to send a msg! LOL.

Well, oknaka, the joke's on you. You have you push twice in the newest edition of Vito SMS-crap. When you push the send button in the lower right, there appears a pop-up menu in the top and you have to press send there as well. I tried it three days ago so don't argue. :rolleyes: And paying for that app? Never...

And stop being such an ass. Everyone else is behaving properly, why can't you too? ;)

[longice]

I'm jumping on the bandwagon and thinking we need something awesome so here is my concept UI design (trying to think outa the box! VGA res too)

Well, dickenz, I just LOVE your mockup here!!! This is just what I want it to be!! And the Slide2Send concept is just the best idea ever :D I hope we'll get that to work! And the indicators are great!

About the buttons in the inbox view: Maybe these buttons could appear as popup-buttons? I have an idea. When you push the message on the middle, the thread opens and views the conversation. But if you push the contact picture on the right, this menu appears??? What do you think?


@Longice: I'll also add $10 USD to the pledge of this app.
I'll add it to the list! Thnx alot!!

I'd imagine I am with most others in this boat but I'd eventually love it to cover emails also. and @Sean D:
Yes, hopefully "myTXT" will cover emails as well. But in order to get this app up and running, I suggest we postpone the email development until a later version (maybe as a v2.0 release booster:)).


Keep up the great work, people!! Keep posting ideas! We're gonna make this happen!!

[longice]

Okay, yeah... this is getting my vote. And will likely get my donation (assuming it's made for QVGA screens).
Hey Sean! I hope that this will be available for all resolutions:)

1). Make this accesible by clicking on the native HTC Home Text button (yeah, I'd rather stick with HTC Home!)

When installing ThumbCal on my Diamond, it completely replaced the WM calendar. So I know it's possible, and I hope that we can manage to do that.

Another way of replacing the WM poutlook, is to use SSMaHa. I've just remapped my Contacts link in Manila 3D, and it work like a charm! Read about it and download here (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=493810). I suppose it'll work on the HTC Home as well, but don't blame me if it doesn't ;)

[longice]

I made a new edition on the Slide2Send button, copied right out of the HTC Dialer;) But I think it looks kinda cool! What do you think??

http://forum.xda-developers.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=191102&stc=1&d=1243927216

I changed the left softkey to 'Back', because I think I wanna be able to add contacts by clicking on 'To:'! And, I want the feature from pOutlook - writing one letter and get a popup with names - to persist in this app as well :)

[[germany]merlot]

That's really great what's going on here. I love the mockups of dickenz and the new Slide2Send button from longice (I think it's kinda big, but very functional :D) Go on guys, I hope this will come true.

[longice]

Yeah, I know it's kinda big. But it's not a big deal to make it slimmer :p

[mohen]

wow ! the slide2send is great idea ! loving it !

[dickenz]

Well, dickenz, I just LOVE your mockup here!!! This is just what I want it to be!! And the Slide2Send concept is just the best idea ever :D I hope we'll get that to work! And the indicators are great!

About the buttons in the inbox view: Maybe these buttons could appear as popup-buttons? I have an idea. When you push the message on the middle, the thread opens and views the conversation. But if you push the contact picture on the right, this menu appears??? What do you think?


Slide2send/cancel is a great idea longice.

In the inbox view I'd say the buttons at the bottom would have to be static, It'd be a bit of fiddly although minor annoyance if you couldn't quickly reply, forward or create a new SMS IMHO.

You would make the "To:" area click-able so you can type a name there.

Plus if we had slide to cancel, the back button becomes redundant.
So you can make it Contacts again ;).

[longice]

Hehe, yes, I saw that afterwards.... :p So maybe you're right in the end about putting contacts there! Or maybe "Send later..." and then you can choose what time to automatically send it? Hehe...

About the buttons: Wouldn't it be better to have these choices inside of the message view? So that if you click on a message, you open it, and then get to choose what to do? And the 'New' button can be up on the side at the header! Like in iContact, where you add a new contact... I think maybe I'll prefer that :p And that way, we'll get room for more conversations in the inbox view...

[longice]

Ups, doubleposting :)

[dickenz]

Hehe, yes, I saw that afterwards.... :p So maybe you're right in the end about putting contacts there! Or maybe "Send later..." and then you can choose what time to automatically send it? Hehe...

About the buttons: Wouldn't it be better to have these choices inside of the message view? So that if you click on a message, you open it, and then get to choose what to do? And the 'New' button can be up on the side at the header! Like in iContact, where you add a new contact... I think maybe I'll prefer that :p And that way, we'll get room for more conversations in the inbox view...

Now we're getting advanced with scheduling, maybe in V2.0 :P

The problem I have there is, what if I want to create an SMS to someone who is not in my inbox view?

Say for example, we want to create an SMS to Barry. Barry has never SMS'ed me or I have never SMS'ed Barry. So to create a new txt message to Barry we have to go into a threaded view with Mary (who I already have conversation history with) then create a new message from there? Doesn't fly with me... We need to be able to quickly create a new SMS or forward an SMS without going into previous conversations.

Aesthetically speaking it would be similar to the bottom row of buttons we have in iContact. I think these would be needed.

[longice]

Well, that's why it would be nice with a '+' or something like that in the top - just like on iContact! Then you'll have a one-touch-access for a new message for our friend Barry:) Or, in the inbox view, there could be a New button. Or what about a Slide2Reply/New button???

http://forum.xda-developers.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=191120&stc=1&d=1243931770

About the forwarding, I think this depends on how much one uses it. I don't use it that much, so for me there will be no problem with selecting it, selecting the Menu button and then selecting 'Forward'. Alternatively, pressing and holding on the message until a popup menu gives me the forwarding choice (among others, like Delete, Mark as read/unread, Select several messages etc)....

[dickenz]

Well, that's why it would be nice with a '+' or something like that in the top - just like on iContact! Then you'll have a one-touch-access for a new message for our friend Barry:) Or, in the inbox view, there could be a New button. Or what about a Slide2Reply/New button???

Agreed slide2reply/new would be perfect :) !

About the forwarding....

Also agreed. I don't use it much either to be honest. Now we just need a dev! Maybe change the thread to something along the lines of "[REQ] Need a developer for sweet SMS app!? Mockups inside! [BOUNTY: $50 USD]" :D

[longice]

Now we just need a dev! Maybe change the thread to something along the lines of "[REQ] Need a developer for sweet SMS app!? Mockups inside! [BOUNTY: $50 USD]" :D

Done :)

l3v5y has started to look at it, I think, using the code from iContact. But the more the marrier :D

[cornelha]

Could someone send me the mockup images all cut up in little bitty pieces suitable for skinning so I can have a bash at this. Im finding myself with free time yet again *grinZ* and this seems like a damn nice idea

[dickenz]

Could someone send me the mockup images all cut up in little bitty pieces suitable for skinning so I can have a bash at this. Im finding myself with free time yet again *grinZ* and this seems like a damn nice idea

@cornelha:

I can whip up some finalised PSDs tomorrow morning (10PM here, bed soon) and send them over to you?

Then you can slice them up as you need? Or at least tell me where you need them sliced and I can slice them?

[longice]

Could someone send me the mockup images all cut up in little bitty pieces suitable for skinning so I can have a bash at this. Im finding myself with free time yet again *grinZ* and this seems like a damn nice idea

I don't know if my mockup files are any good, as I've just picked up images from the forums here and "glued" them together... I got my inspiration from EasyContact (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=515706) and ACs apps (http://ac-s2.com/). The Slide2-bar is from here (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=3087652&postcount=1). I've just cutted it out of the images, hence the lack of quality...

Since the quality isn't the best, I guess it won't help you sending over my pieces, as it won't be any good to use for the real skinning ;)

But I still hope you'll get something to work with! Looking forward to seeing the result!!

[tcchuin]

slide to reply isnt necessary..hope there'll be an option to choose how to send a msg(slide or just click)

[longice]

slide to reply isnt necessary..hope there'll be an option to choose how to send a msg(slide or just click)

You mean in the inbox view? Well, it depends on the developer, and how easy it is to enable the option of both. But I think it's a great idea to have there! And in the message writing, I think it's a must! :)

[dancano]

This concept looks just awesome.
If there is someone who can program it so it will really be speedy and lightweight.. it would be perfect.

oh and wqvga would be cool :)

[longice]

This concept looks just awesome.
If there is someone who can program it so it will really be speedy and lightweight.. it would be perfect.

oh and wqvga would be cool :)

Hopefully it will be compatible with most resolutions:) The work has just begun, but I believe that this can be done!

Donations to the bounty will be most appreciated. Just post your desired donation in a reply or PM me if anyone would like to donate!

[kly]

I can try to create this one whenever my Weekly view for the HTC calendar has been finished (in a few days I guess).

[longice]

I can try to create this one whenever my Weekly view for the HTC calendar has been finished (in a few days I guess).

That'd be great!! :D

Btw, weekly view for the HTC Calendar? Sounds interesting, got any more info or a thread about it?

[oknaka1]

I really like this idea and especially this chat window:

http://forum.xda-developers.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=190740&d=1243861142

Support this thread!

[Sean D.]

slide to reply isnt necessary..hope there'll be an option to choose how to send a msg(slide or just click)

Reply, Delete, Forward, are the buttons that shold be at the bottom of the inbox messages. With the Slide 2 feature strictly used for sending, and possibly saving.

Save <------------> Send

or something along those lines.

[longice]

Reply, Delete, Forward, are the buttons that shold be at the bottom of the inbox messages. With the Slide 2 feature strictly used for sending, and possibly saving.

Save <------------> Send

or something along those lines.

Yes, may be a good point when it comes to the inbox view...

Although in the "New message view", I think that the slide-to-left should be 'Cancel' - when sliding here you get a popup-question like you do in poutlook (option to save, not save or return to the message). I think that it should be easy to cansel without saving as well:)

[unga89]

i'll add a "new sms" notification in the roadmap if possible...
default sms notification is small, ugly and useless ihmo.
what do you think??

[longice]

i'll add a "new sms" notification in the roadmap if possible...
default sms notification is small, ugly and useless ihmo.
what do you think??

Yep, that'll be nice. E.g. a different background color on the message (like a bright grey or blue), so that it gets highlighted, but stays smoooooth ;)


Any more contributions to the bounty, people? This will be worth at least $ 5-10, right??? :D:D:D

[djtosh]

i think this would be an excellent app i would donate but I have an omnia and we seem to be often overlooked when this community creates apps so i will definatley donate if this app is completed and a wqvga version became available.

[longice]

i think this would be an excellent app i would donate but I have an omnia and we seem to be often overlooked when this community creates apps so i will definatley donate if this app is completed and a wqvga version became available.

I absolutely understand your point of view. As I have no knowledge at all when it comes to programming and developing apps, I can't guarantee anything. This must be answered by our heroic developers. But my intention for this app is that it'll be available to everyone. So, hopefully, you will be able to enjoy S2S on you Omnia as well :)

[ioulian]

Well, will you get a bunch of viruses and spyware on your own phone as well? This seems really fishy...!! But thnx for the suggestion :) Have you tried this software?

It looks kinda ugly as well, and has no finger-friendly UI, so I believe that even M$ is just as good..... :p

Hi,

Very funny to find my own software here :D About your comment on virusses and spyware: NO, you won't get any. Right now there are only 2 commands included in this program: calling and executing a program. You already know what calling does but that execute command: it was made for launching a webpage in internet explorer, BUT can be used for launching virusses or spyware that are ALREADY on your PDA. So if your PDA is clean, with this software it stays clean.

You're right about no-finger-friendly-ui, but you must keep in mind that i'm an amateur coder, I know C# for 4 month now and don't expect some cutting-edge programming :D

Anyway, thanks for commenting on it, it helps me to improve this software.

[longice]

Hi,

Very funny to find my own software here :D About your comment on virusses and spyware: NO, you won't get any. Right now there are only 2 commands included in this program: calling and executing a program. You already know what calling does but that execute command: it was made for launching a webpage in internet explorer, BUT can be used for launching virusses or spyware that are ALREADY on your PDA. So if your PDA is clean, with this software it stays clean.

You're right about no-finger-friendly-ui, but you must keep in mind that i'm an amateur coder, I know C# for 4 month now and don't expect some cutting-edge programming :D

Anyway, thanks for commenting on it, it helps me to improve this software.

Hehe, didn't mean to cause any hard feelings, bro'! Just seemed scetchy about the message trigging calling function! But creds for creating this! ;)

As I said, it lacks some finger-friendly functionality... but perhaps you can contribute with your programming skills when it comes to sending and receiving SMS/MMS? Together I believe we can create a killer SMS app! And some day we'll send it to HTC and get it baked into the next ROMs :p

[ioulian]

Hehe, didn't mean to cause any hard feelings, bro'! Just seemed scetchy about the message trigging calling function! But creds for creating this! ;)

As I said, it lacks some finger-friendly functionality... but perhaps you can contribute with your programming skills when it comes to sending and receiving SMS/MMS? Together I believe we can create a killer SMS app! And some day we'll send it to HTC and get it baked into the next ROMs :p

Ok, I can help, but for questions, please mail me at: ioulian [at] alexju [dot] be because I never check this forum (not much time to check all ;)) I found this topic on google when searching for my software, haha :D Contact me and I'll provide the information I know ;)

[longice]

Ok, I can help, but for questions, please mail me at: ioulian [at] alexju [dot] be because I never check this forum (not much time to check all ;)) I found this topic on google when searching for my software, haha :D Contact me and I'll provide the information I know ;)

Hehe ok:) I will direct developers to you! Thnx alot, man, you're great!! :D

[magicalan]

nice i wanna c this working on my phohe all ress? :P

[dickenz]

nice i wanna c this working on my phohe all ress? :P

Planning on supporting all resolutions.

I'm going to create some more polished PSD mockups today.

[rjmjr69]

I'm in for $20 US.

As long as a majority of the donors are happy with the end product I'm good to go.

Good luck to all who try

[longice]

I'm in for $20 US.

As long as a majority of the donors are happy with the end product I'm good to go.

Good luck to all who try

Great, thnx alot!! Yes, we need an end product which is good to go, but I guess we'll see an alpha and beta first, so be patient for the complete version;)


Really looking forward to the new mockups from dickenz now :D

[kly]

That'd be great!! :D

Btw, weekly view for the HTC Calendar? Sounds interesting, got any more info or a thread about it?

I'll create a thread when the first beta arrives ;-)

[longice]

I'll create a thread when the first beta arrives ;-)

Cool! Give me a notice when it does ;)

[eranyanay]

Hello,
I've been watching this thread for a while,
Im willing to donate 10$USD for a good sms software that will please me =)
I hope that helps.

[longice]

Hello,
I've been watching this thread for a while,
Im willing to donate 10$USD for a good sms software that will please me =)
I hope that helps.

Every cent helps;)

[JackTheJacker]

The mockups of Dickenz are simply amazing!!!
And the creation of such an application would be the most fantastic program ever, i think :cool:

[dickenz]

The mockups of Dickenz are simply amazing!!!
And the creation of such an application would be the most fantastic program ever, i think :cool:

Thanks mate and to everyone for their kind words.

The mockups are taking a little longer than expected so I might have to finish them off tomorrow morning. Trying to cover all the bases and really polish it off.

[neptune68]

Developping such an app is a great idea ! I'm looking for a better "touch friendly" alternative to PocketCM Contats for weeks !

[cornelha]

@cornelha:

I can whip up some finalised PSDs tomorrow morning (10PM here, bed soon) and send them over to you?

Then you can slice them up as you need? Or at least tell me where you need them sliced and I can slice them?

The psds need to be sliced in sections ie: the slider at the bottom should be 2 sections, the actual slider and then the underlying red and green image. Same with message bubbles and the default contact image.

I will fiddle with the mockups as far as I can. I really like the idea of this app. The suggestion for notifications is also damn cool even if it can be done as a seperate app

[laocheebye]

i think most importantly it's gotto be able to integrate into wm itself.

[Naffets]

Aslong as it is indeed threaded/conversation view, based on the mockups I pledge $10 to the bounty :)

[longice]

Aslong as it is indeed threaded/conversation view, based on the mockups I pledge $10 to the bounty :)

Threaded/conversation view is mandatory for this app, so there will be;) Please keep in mind that the mockups are not a final UI. But I believe that these mockups are nothing compared to how sweeet the app will look like when it comes!! I think it'll kick some M$ and iphone ass:D:D

Thnx alot for the contribution!

[eranyanay]

is it still just a fiction or there're people actually working on it?
I wanna know if this small dream will come true one day

[longice]

is it still just a fiction or there're people actually working on it?
I wanna know if this small dream will come true one day

Well, the thread was started less then four days ago, so there are not that much happening yet, of course. But if you look at this post (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=3866249&postcount=19) and this post (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=3879649&postcount=84), you'll see that people are working on it or will start soon.

But, as this is not just a walk in the park, I guess we'll have to be a bit patient:) Stay tuned, though, the activity on this thread is surprisingly high!


Please keep posting comments and opinions! And mockups, if anyone got some skills! I'm really looking forward to the new mockups from dickenz:D

[eranyanay]

Im not that good in graphics,
but I can help with translations to my language when the time comes :)

[cleanmonk]

i dont link an interface as iphone

[ajskhan]

Aslong as it is indeed threaded/conversation view, based on the mockups I pledge $10 to the bounty :)

I'd love to see this, it may earn\ a few bucks from me too :)

[tcchuin]

i prefer slide left to send than sliding right...perhaps i use my right hand most of the time..perhaps any option?

[longice]

i prefer slide left to send than sliding right...perhaps i use my right hand most of the time..perhaps any option?

This is a very good idea for the final version. But I guess it implies a bit more work, so in my opinion this is not first priority ;)

[dickenz]

Alright guys...

Bit belated... Sorry busy work day!

Here are some more more refined mockups ;) - Enjoy!

Inbox view:
http://i42.tinypic.com/1zc3b10.jpg
Buttons across the top are for new SMS, forward and toggle delete mode (entire convo).

Conversation View:
http://i40.tinypic.com/24y68sk.jpg
Only one button here, delete to toggle delete mode to delete individual messages - On which a little delete button would appear to the right of each message. Then touch that to delete the specific message.

New SMS:
http://i43.tinypic.com/25qvqdi.jpg
No buttons this time round as I couldn't think of any that would be useful (ideas?!?!) I did put a character counter and SMS counter there though. I also figured you'd make the 'area' next to 'To:' be touchable so we can type names there.

Let fly the comments my friends!

@longice: I didn't opt for the slide to reply simply because to reply to **most** messages you're going to enter the conversation view anyway.

[longice]

Here are some more more refined mockups ;) - Enjoy!
@longice: I didn't opt for the slide to reply simply because to reply to **most** messages you're going to enter the conversation view anyway.

Well, man, this is just the most beautiful thing I've ever seen. Fantastic work!!!!! I'll put this up front right ahead!

Great idea with the static buttons up right, it looks really smooth!

How 'bout putting the white Manila background on this as a wallpaper? I think that'll look sweet both in the inbox view and in the write view!

Everything with this design is just so sweeeeet, I love it all. I do have three small comments though:

1) There were made a comment earlier in the thread regarding highlighting the unread messages. Maybe it's an idea to make the background for this message a bit darker then the read ones? Maybe a hint of either blue or grey... It's kinda like the poutlook thingy, but I like that feature.

2) I am a bit concerned about the text input field when writing messages. Will this be to small?? What we could do, is put the header (the "New SMS" bar including the counter) up all in the top. This is what happens when you reply directly from Manila 3D - the counter is in the taskbar instead of the app's name. But if this will be coded from iContact, maybe that won't be a problem, as iContact has its own, slimmer taskbar!

3) I guess there should be an easy access to the rest of the folders (like Drafts, Sent, Deleted etc...). So I guess we should put some kind of arrow (that points down) to the left of the "Inbox" text. What do you think? Check out the header of one of my mockups, at the very right (image here (http://forum.xda-developers.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=190902&stc=1&d=1243887931)).


Well, I think people would REALLY like this!! This is growing into such a great app!!!

[Sean D.]

What keyboard is this?? :confused:

http://i43.tinypic.com/25qvqdi.jpg

Oh, and nice mock up, btw! :)

[dickenz]

What keyboard is this?? :confused:

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Oh, and nice mock up, btw! :)

HTC EZInput 2.0 is the keyboard - EzInput 2.0 VGA (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=486227)

There is a QVGA thread somewhere in Development and Hacking too. Just search for Ezinput and you'll find it.

And thank you.

1) There were made a comment earlier in the thread regarding highlighting the unread messages. Maybe it's an idea to make the background for this message a bit darker then the read ones? Maybe a hint of either blue or grey... It's kinda like the poutlook thingy, but I like that feature.

2) I am a bit concerned about the text input field when writing messages. Will this be to small?? What we could do, is put the header (the "New SMS" bar including the counter) up all in the top. This is what happens when you reply directly from Manila 3D - the counter is in the taskbar instead of the app's name. But if this will be coded from iContact, maybe that won't be a problem, as iContact has its own, slimmer taskbar!

3) I guess there should be an easy access to the rest of the folders (like Drafts, Sent, Deleted etc...). So I guess we should put some kind of arrow (that points down) to the left of the "Inbox" text. What do you think? Check out the header of one of my mockups, at the very right (image here).

1) I was thinking of highlighting the background of the conversation in the inbox view for unread. Just like you said, with a shade of colour, and of course organise the inbox by receive time - So the most recent received message is always at the top.

2) Okay... I thought about this and that was why I added the keyboard into the mockup so we could have a realistic view. Now I think having the heading bars keeps it neat. But you need to remember WM default currently allows us to view only 2 lines of text. If we could get someone who could code the input text size to be slightly smaller than default we could have a solution whilst keeping it pretty. As the keyboard governs the space we have.

3) I was also thinking about this on my way home this afternoon. It was my opinion that the FWD button in the top row isn't as important because you cannot forward an entire conversation. So why not enable a 'forward mode toggle' button in the conversation view, similar to the delete toggle that would allow us to forward an individual message as opposed to deleting it. The folder view would be very similar to the inbox view, but have an icon to the right and folders instead of people's names.

[longice]

2) Okay... I thought about this and that was why I added the keyboard into the mockup so we could have a realistic view. Now I think having the heading bars keeps it neat. But you need to remember WM default currently allows us to view only 2 lines of text. If we could get someone who could code the input text size to be slightly smaller than default we could have a solution whilst keeping it pretty. As the keyboard governs the space we have.

Well, this depends - with my current settings and font size, I actually get 7 lines of text;) But the text is pretty small, though... Since we're "stealing" some space for our Slide2Send-bar, I think we should set as a goal to get as much space for the text as possible... But we'll figure that out along the road! :)

3) I was also thinking about this on my way home this afternoon. It was my opinion that the FWD button in the top row isn't as important because you cannot forward an entire conversation. So why not enable a 'forward mode toggle' button in the conversation view, similar to the delete toggle that would allow us to forward an individual message as opposed to deleting it. The folder view would be very similar to the inbox view, but have an icon to the right and folders instead of people's names.

Yes, I believe this is the way to do it. This way, we'll keep it clean and nice, and at the same time every command will be no more than two pressures away. I like it!

How 'bout my suggestion regarding a white Manila background? The black one you can find here (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=2787823&postcount=3), then just invert the colors so that it goes white. I think it may be perfect for a wallpaper?

[dickenz]

How 'bout my suggestion regarding a white Manila background? The black one you can find here (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=2787823&postcount=3), then just invert the colors so that it goes white. I think it may be perfect for a wallpaper?

Yeah sure dude... We can add a wallpaper later though - I myself would prefer a plain colour for ease of reading. I guess it could be an option, to use a wallpaper or not to.

The only other thing to consider is it might not be possible as per the coder... So we'll have to see. Unfortunately programming falls out of my area of expertise. I just know websites :(

[longice]

The only other thing to consider is it might not be possible as per the coder... So we'll have to see. Unfortunately programming falls out of my area of expertise. I just know websites :(

Hehe, then I suppose I'm not even at your level;) But as long as some one knows what to do, I think we'll see something soon!

With these new mockups I hope that people will pledge! The bigger the bounty gets, the more interesting for the developers! ;)

[dickenz]

I'm gonna make those small changes to the mockup. I might make the To: region smaller, giving us more text room.

Try get them as close to a finalized product as possible, so a dev can start as soon as one officially jumps on board.

[longice]

That's great:)

We've actually passed 7 000 viewings of this thread in just a few days. I think that says a little something about the interest for this!

I don't know if l3v5y has started yet, or how far he's got. And, kly is also up for a look at it in a few days, I think...

If anyone of you are reading, do you guys have any chance to announce an alpha release date? :)

[dickenz]

If anyone of you are reading, do you guys have any chance to announce an alpha release date? :)

Hehe little bit optimistic there dude - I wouldn't pronounce a release date as I'm sure it's a fair bit of work. 'When it's done' is usually the best way to go ;).

You never know what you may encounter along the way, good or bad!

[oknaka1]

Well, man, this is just the most beautiful thing I've ever seen. Fantastic work!!!!! I'll put this up front right ahead!

Great idea with the static buttons up right, it looks really smooth!

How 'bout putting the white Manila background on this as a wallpaper? I think that'll look sweet both in the inbox view and in the write view!

Everything with this design is just so sweeeeet, I love it all. I do have three small comments though:

1) There were made a comment earlier in the thread regarding highlighting the unread messages. Maybe it's an idea to make the background for this message a bit darker then the read ones? Maybe a hint of either blue or grey... It's kinda like the poutlook thingy, but I like that feature.

2) I am a bit concerned about the text input field when writing messages. Will this be to small?? What we could do, is put the header (the "New SMS" bar including the counter) up all in the top. This is what happens when you reply directly from Manila 3D - the counter is in the taskbar instead of the app's name. But if this will be coded from iContact, maybe that won't be a problem, as iContact has its own, slimmer taskbar!

3) I guess there should be an easy access to the rest of the folders (like Drafts, Sent, Deleted etc...). So I guess we should put some kind of arrow (that points down) to the left of the "Inbox" text. What do you think? Check out the header of one of my mockups, at the very right (image here (http://forum.xda-developers.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=190902&stc=1&d=1243887931)).


Well, I think people would REALLY like this!! This is growing into such a great app!!!
I really like your design dickenz.. looks good. The text input is just nice, not too small nor oversized.

[Winker-Omnia]

Hey - look at how this thread has grown.

Can I add the following suggestions.

* The app is handles all available resolutions and is winmo 6.5 compliant.

* There is an option to auto retry if the sms cannot be sent - rather than the current error message

* There is a pop up on screen to tell you a new sms is here - maybe with various options.
- Fall from top of screen
- slide in from left/right
- start small and grow to centre of screen.
something to jazz up the NEW SMS alert

I am in for $10 if the above is possible - I have tried almost all the freeware sms apps and they just dont have the fluid motion I would like to see.

Cheers all and finger crossed this can happen

[Drybonz]

Are people actually working on this? It would be amazing. The concept screenshots are very cool. I would love this thing if it somehow comes about.

[longice]

Are people actually working on this? It would be amazing. The concept screenshots are very cool. I would love this thing if it somehow comes about.

Try read the whole thread ;) I answered this yesterday, check it out here (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=3887913&postcount=113), my man:)

[badaas]

needs smiley gifs, if that hasnt been mentioned.

[dickenz]

Ok guys...

Finalised mockups!

Inbox View:
http://i40.tinypic.com/t9e5io.jpg

Conversation View:
http://i39.tinypic.com/2cpor47.jpg

Folders:
http://i42.tinypic.com/2wpqnx3.jpg

New SMS:
http://i39.tinypic.com/349cg3p.jpg

Enjoy!

[dwizzy130]

Ok guys...

Finalised mockups!

Inbox View:
http://i40.tinypic.com/t9e5io.jpg

Conversation View:
http://i39.tinypic.com/2cpor47.jpg

Folders:
http://i42.tinypic.com/2wpqnx3.jpg

New SMS:
http://i39.tinypic.com/349cg3p.jpg

Enjoy!



Those look amazing! The only thing i'm not too sure about is the text size for the actual texts... I personally wouldn't have a problem reading them but others might.

dwizzy130

[dickenz]

Those look amazing! The only thing i'm not too sure about is the text size for the actual texts... I personally wouldn't have a problem reading them but others might.

dwizzy130

Don't go off the mockups for text size - I imagine it won't be hard to adjust. And I'm hoping when/if it's released we could even have an option to set input text size.

[dwizzy130]

Don't go off the mockups for text size - I imagine it won't be hard to adjust. And I'm hoping when/if it's released we could even have an option to set input text size.

I'm not going off, and I didn't mean it to sound that way if it did. I just know that not all of us are teenagers with good eyesight so I was just looking out for others.

dwizzy130

[dickenz]

I'm not going off, and I didn't mean it to sound that way if it did. I just know that not all of us are teenagers with good eyesight so I was just looking out for others.

dwizzy130

You're right mate... I understand...

As I said I'm hoping we can have it as an option so we can cater for everyone inclusive of those that have not so great eye sight :)

[ace10134]

I might be able to help develop this. I am just starting to learn Visual Studio, but I could possibly make this as my first app. I'll see what I can do. Idk if I could do the slide2send feature, but I could possibly make a light sms app. Slide2send would be included in a later version of the app then.

[oknaka1]

They look great dickenz! Props to you for implementing this app and working on it.

[kly]

Indeed, they do look sweet !

My Diamond2 Weekly Calendar is almost finished (a project to get reacquainted with .NET after a couple of years in native C++ on Linux).
Maybe I can start next week on this one.

In my opinion, this should be an open-source project.
If you look at the amount of views and reactions, there's a whole community behind it.
If someone (me or someone else) can create a base program, a lot of input of the community can be added.

I don't know what yo guys think about it.

Depending a bit on the choice 'open-source or not ?', we can choose the programming language.
Programming in c# is easy, so we can expect more community input.
It's also a lot faster to develop in, so the project will be finished earlier.

C++ on the other hand has the advantage of being faster (in execution), especially for drawing graphics.

I'll let you know when I start developing :-)

[aiiro]

If this will work on my Asus P550 (QVGA) count me in for 10$.

So far I have seen only VGA screens - which are very nice of course. For QVGA the slide buttons definitely need to be a bit larger.

[dickenz]

Indeed, they do look sweet !

My Diamond2 Weekly Calendar is almost finished (a project to get reacquainted with .NET after a couple of years in native C++ on Linux).
Maybe I can start next week on this one.

In my opinion, this should be an open-source project.
If you look at the amount of views and reactions, there's a whole community behind it.
If someone (me or someone else) can create a base program, a lot of input of the community can be added.

I don't know what yo guys think about it.

Depending a bit on the choice 'open-source or not ?', we can choose the programming language.
Programming in c# is easy, so we can expect more community input.
It's also a lot faster to develop in, so the project will be finished earlier.

C++ on the other hand has the advantage of being faster (in execution), especially for drawing graphics.

I'll let you know when I start developing :-)

Awesome kly. Open source sounds good to me dude. I am quite happy with a community driven project.

Just PM me for ANYTHING you need done when you're ready to get started.
I have PSDs of everything I have created ready for slicing so I'm ready to rumble.

[longice]

I might be able to help develop this. I am just starting to learn Visual Studio, but I could possibly make this as my first app. I'll see what I can do. Idk if I could do the slide2send feature, but I could possibly make a light sms app. Slide2send would be included in a later version of the app then.

This is great, ace10134! The more working on this, the better it'll be! Hopefully, together we'll find a good way to make the S2S function work. I think this feature is quite important, as this is what will distinguish our app from every other SMS app! Good luck!

If you have any questions, just post them in this thread, and everyone will be happy to help! :)

[longice]

Awesome kly. Open source sounds good to me dude. I am quite happy with a community driven project.

Just PM me for ANYTHING you need done when you're ready to get started.
I have PSDs of everything I have created ready for slicing so I'm ready to rumble.

I agree with dickenz and kly on the idea about this being an open source project. This way, the whole community is able to help out:)

Concerning programming language, I don't have much to say as I don't have a clue about programming :p But the intention of the app being light, fast and easy is very important for me, and for a lot of other people as well. Although, I really would like to see a quick development ;)

Will there be a great difference in the app's functionality speed depending on C# or C++ being the programming language? If it is not a very big difference, I'll say go with C#. But, as I said, I don't know a thing about this... :)

[longice]

As this seems to be turning into an open-source project for our community, I changed the title to be more accurate.. I hope no one minds :)

[kane159]

I'm working of this too
can some one pot the silder picture up ?
we just start at today so.....it might not be so quickly...

[dickenz]

I'm working of this too
can some one pot the silder picture up ?
we just start at today so.....it might not be so quickly...

Which image do you need?

[kane159]

Which image do you need?

I need the slider and the buttom 's pic we need to try first about it's comvenient or not

[md_bluelily]

Greate Idea,

But please consider memory usage which is a problem for old devices,
Using C# as the programming language makes it easy and fast in development phase but the performance is about 10 times lower that C++ and the memory usage is higher.

Best Regards,

[Touchmypro]

This is such a great idea!!!!:):):):):):):)
I love the idea of open source it just always ends up being a better application in the end,while also achieving better interest to help further its development.
This is one area the winmo has always been lacking severely IMHO. I don't know if it is quit necessary(although it looks cool) to have "slide" though,but maybe
the option of push button or slide in settings? What about a mockup to have the look of Yota dialer\contacts? Yes,The skin thing is a must!

BTW,those new mock ups look soooo nice longice!
P.S. The ability to just tap the contact picture and instantly dial the contact would be a plus,and a button for instant accessing the "new message feature" instead of having to go to a sub menu ;)

[longice]

Using C# as the programming language makes it easy and fast in development phase but the performance is about 10 times lower that C++ and the memory usage is higher.

Thnx for the enlightenment! I guess the language will be C++ then? The app needs to be light and fast in order to be competitive! I will just have to be patient and wait a bit longer :) I see that iContact also is written in C++, which may be a possible basic for S2S...

I guess, that when we first start in one language, it's not possible (or at least very difficult) to "convert" to another language later?

[longice]

I don't know if it is quit necessary(although it looks cool) to have "slide" though,but maybe
the option of push button or slide in settings? What about a mockup to have the look of Yota dialer\contacts? Yes,The skin thing is a must!

Well, I think that the Slide2Send option is pretty much the coolest thing about this app! ;) But of course, it'll be great to have the choice!

BTW,those new mock ups look soooo nice longice!

I can't take much credits for these, it's all thnx to my hero dickenz:)

P.S. The ability to just tap the contact picture and instantly dial the contact would be a plus ;)

I love that idea!! Shouldn't be too hard to build it into the app???

[dickenz]

I need the slider and the buttom 's pic we need to try first about it's comvenient or not

Do you need it sliced up? I'll slice it up; left cancel box, slider button and right send box? Is that suitable?

And lastly as PNGs?

Or would you prefer the entire PSD?

[Touchmypro]

Oh one more thing,a quick easy button for spell check would be most excellent :)

[kane159]

Do you need it sliced up? I'll slice it up; left cancel box, slider button and right send box? Is that suitable?

And lastly as PNGs?

Or would you prefer the entire PSD?
OK,put them all up please.
psd is grate;)
thanks very much

[dickenz]

OK,put them all up please.
psd is grate;)
thanks very much

Done - They are all in the attached zip file.

I'm sorry kane, I am lazy and haven't named most of the layers. But the layer sets are named. I'm sure you know but if you need to know what layer is what, just hide it's visibility then make it re-appear.

[longice]

Oh one more thing,a quick easy button for spell check would be most excellent :)

Hehe, maybe not first priority but a nice feature for the final version;)

[longice]

If this will work on my Asus P550 (QVGA) count me in for 10$.

So far I have seen only VGA screens - which are very nice of course. For QVGA the slide buttons definitely need to be a bit larger.

I've put you on the list, thnx for contributing:) The goal is to get this app ready for all resolutions! And keeping it an open-source project, I believe that won't be an issue!

[longice]

Inbox View:
http://i40.tinypic.com/t9e5io.jpg

Hey, dickenz, I got an idea: How 'bout turning that almost black titlebar background upside down? So that it's all black at the top and brighter at the bottom? Maybe it'll be more seamless and better looking? Care to give it a try? :)

[oknaka1]

Hey, dickenz, I got an idea: How 'bout turning that almost black titlebar background upside down? So that it's all black at the top and brighter at the bottom? Maybe it'll be more seamless and better looking? Care to give it a try? :)
I prefer dickenz current idea.. it looks fantastic.

[Sean D.]

Oh one more thing,a quick easy button for spell check would be most excellent :)

Isn't spell check kind of natively built into the standard MS messaging apps already.

[Touchmypro]

sorry for posting again :o But I just love this whole idea so much I keep thing about it:). So I was just wondering if this would be possible at all,what if for the spell check and other menu options you have a transparent a bar that could pop up on the bottom of the screen by touching a certain part of the screen? Similar to that of the HTC photo album? Kind of like the one in the attached pic but with the spell check option,the add a picture option,call contact etc..?
Possible,or to much?
It would also be real nice if the said sms program will actually take over the built in text app in winmo so that all the linking from touchflo,spb mobile shell or similar actually link to the new text program instead.

[LilGBlood]

Okay, I don't mean to be rude. This idea is great, and I'll even donate for it.
But we seriously need to stop with the i(Insert App name here). Its annoying. If I wanted i(Whatever), I would've wasted $200 on an iPhone instead of $350 on an AT&T Tilt or $720 on a Rhodium. I am sort of tired of seeing i(Everything). I like the Slide2Send name and concept, and to the last concept, it looks awesome. I have a Rhodium, and I love the SMS on it.

[Sean D.]

Okay, I don't mean to be rude. This idea is great, and I'll even donate for it.
But we seriously need to stop with the i(Insert App name here). Its annoying. If I wanted i(Whatever), I would've wasted $200 on an iPhone instead of $350 on an AT&T Tilt or $720 on a Rhodium. I am sort of tired of seeing i(Everything). I like the Slide2Send name and concept, and to the last concept, it looks awesome. I have a Rhodium, and I love the SMS on it.

I couldn't agree more.

[norkoastal]

If this app can be launched (become default) using Titanium and be used exclusively without a stylus (minus typing), I am willing to donate $10..

Thanks!

[TheDude1120]

damn that looks good....ill add 10 to that bounty when i get home

[Sean D.]

Everybody has some really good ideas, and suggestions for what will undoubtedly make one of the best apps out there IF it can be built. But lets remember one of the original requests/criteria that this app be LIGHT.

If all of this stuff can be packed into one app it would in fact be great, but can it be done and still keep the app "light"??

I know Pocket CM seems very light, but the latest version that I have been running (.29) has some memory leak issues (especially when you have a lot of sms messages). Even though, I'd hope the developers would look at PCM at least for some of it's 'flow' characteristics if nothing else.

[longice]

Okay, I don't mean to be rude. This idea is great, and I'll even donate for it.
But we seriously need to stop with the i(Insert App name here). Its annoying. If I wanted i(Whatever), I would've wasted $200 on an iPhone instead of $350 on an AT&T Tilt or $720 on a Rhodium. I am sort of tired of seeing i(Everything). I like the Slide2Send name and concept, and to the last concept, it looks awesome. I have a Rhodium, and I love the SMS on it.

Hehe, yes, I agree as well. Relax, the 'i' is gone forever;) I believe that Slide2Send is a great name, at least as long as the Slide-function will work properly!

[longice]

Everybody has some really good ideas, and suggestions for what will undoubtedly make one of the best apps out there IF it can be built. But lets remember one of the original requests/criteria that this app be LIGHT.

If all of this stuff can be packed into one app it would in fact be great, but can it be done and still keep the app "light"??

I know Pocket CM seems very light, but the latest version that I have been running (.29) has some memory leak issues (especially when you have a lot of sms messages). Even though, I'd hope the developers would look at PCM at least for some of it's 'flow' characteristics if nothing else.

You got a very good point here, Sean. This is important to keep in mind! Of course, all of the mentioned features would be great to have, but IMO most of them are not first priority. Three things remain important to me:
- a light app
- smooth graphics (from dickenz;))
- finger-friendly UI

And of course Slide2Send! Hehe:)

[Sean D.]

You got a very good point here, Sean. This is important to keep in mind! Of course, all of the mentioned features would be great to have, but IMO most of them are not first priority. Three things remain important to me:
- a light app
- smooth graphics (from dickenz;))
- finger-friendly UI

And of course Slide2Send! Hehe:)

Exactly. If all these sweet ideas cna be built in without "weighing it down" then hellz yeah, do it!

But I'd rather not sacrifice ease, or usability for functions that drag it down.

[Sophos1]

I'm in for $10.......and just my 2 cents, it would be pretty awesome if the bottom bar would disappear upon opening the keyboard (like in PocketCM Contacts SMS). It leaves more room on the screen.

Love the idea. Cheers!

[michd43]

You got a very good point here, Sean. This is important to keep in mind! Of course, all of the mentioned features would be great to have, but IMO most of them are not first priority. Three things remain important to me:
- a light app
- smooth graphics (from dickenz;))
- finger-friendly UI

And of course Slide2Send! Hehe:)

I agree. Those four ideas should be the core for this project. We need to get a stable beta working before we start adding anything else.

[longice]

I'm in for $10.......and just my 2 cents, it would be pretty awesome if the bottom bar would disappear upon opening the keyboard (like in PocketCM Contacts SMS). It leaves more room on the screen.

Love the idea. Cheers!

Yes, I've been thinking about this. I do agree with you, but the problem is that there will be less buttons available and more buttons to press to get to the menus...

[Jclarkk]

This guy has developed a free SMS program in which he is also intending to release the source code which I guess can be a HUGE help for the devs.

http://www.alexju.be/SMSChat/#screenshots

[dickenz]

This guy has developed a free SMS program in which he is also intending to release the source code which I guess can be a HUGE help for the devs.

http://www.alexju.be/SMSChat/#screenshots

Hi Jclarkk, thanks for the input however I think you'll find the creator of that app has already posted in this thread and offered his assistance :)

[PhantomDj]

I am willing to donate 20 Euros or even more, IF (and only IF) the app is going to support standard SMS view besides Threaded View. I love the entire concept of the app, but I HATE threaded SMS view...

Also, I'm going to help with skins and translation to my native language too!

Thanks!

[longice]

I am willing to donate 20 Euros or even more, IF (and only IF) the app is going to support standard SMS view besides Threaded View. I love the entire concept of the app, but I HATE threaded SMS view...

Also, I'm going to help with skins and translation to my native language too!

Thanks!

I agree, it should be possible to choose. I've put you up for USD $20, as it is easier to have all in one currency;)

[christcomes]

I'm not a coder but I am a designer. No sorry I'm quite caught up with things to help with the designs but for what it's worth I'd like to offer my 2 cents for the current mockups we have. The default typed in text should be much larger than what we see currently and the slide to send bar should be shorter than the width of the app. The colors need not be red and green because it simply doesnt match an sms app. Let it be a more monochromic S2S bar. Trust me it'll look better. Let both sides of the slider be the same off white or grey color. The slider bar must be thicker (taller) than it is and the text inside the bar should be smaller and less opaque. An etched feel would be better. The bar separating the typing area and the current message should be one thin line which isn't so pronounced as what we see in the mockup. Good luck!

[longice]

I'm not a coder but I am a designer. No sorry I'm quite caught up with things to help with the designs but for what it's worth I'd like to offer my 2 cents for the current mockups we have. The default typed in text should be much larger than what we see currently and the slide to send bar should be shorter than the width of the app. The colors need not be red and green because it simply doesnt match an sms app. Let it be a more monochromic S2S bar. Trust me it'll look better. Let both sides of the slider be the same off white or grey color. The slider bar must be thicker (taller) than it is and the text inside the bar should be smaller and less opaque. An etched feel would be better. The bar separating the typing area and the current message should be one thin line which isn't so pronounced as what we see in the mockup. Good luck!

Well, I disagree with most of this, christcomes. The sliding bar should not be shorter than the width of the app, that'd just look silly :p And it will also reduce the functionality of it. It's not supposed to be a button. If the slider is made shorter, it will soon be just that - a button.

Of course the text will be a bit larger, this is the easiest thing to adjust. The mockups are made like this in order to show the possibilities.

If you're such a fan of grey, why don't you just buy an iphone;)

[TeDeV]

dwizzy130 can you plz make the NEW Message button bigger? remember this is a finger friendly app, and the one problem i always have with sms apps, is that the new sms button is not big enough for my finger.

great graphics by the way :) maybe i can make a graphics only app for u guys to see how it is going to look on ur pda. i am a vb.net dev, but i really don't have time to finish this soon.

[dickenz]

I'm not a coder but I am a designer. No sorry I'm quite caught up with things to help with the designs but for what it's worth I'd like to offer my 2 cents for the current mockups we have. The default typed in text should be much larger than what we see currently and the slide to send bar should be shorter than the width of the app. The colors need not be red and green because it simply doesnt match an sms app. Let it be a more monochromic S2S bar. Trust me it'll look better. Let both sides of the slider be the same off white or grey color. The slider bar must be thicker (taller) than it is and the text inside the bar should be smaller and less opaque. An etched feel would be better. The bar separating the typing area and the current message should be one thin line which isn't so pronounced as what we see in the mockup. Good luck!

Yeah we're hoping the font size can be dynamic in most views so I wouldn't run off the mockups for that.

As for the slider I like the green and red, gives it a bit of colour that the app is currently lacking. However I agree it does need to be slightly thicker. It will be entirely skinnable though (so we're hoping) so anyone can add a monochromatic bar - We're just trying to get the app off the ground.

Once again the text will be skinnable as part of the button.

As for the separator bar I wanted something nice that wasn't just a simple line that kept with the feel of the app. Again, it will be skinnable so there will be nothing stopping people from replacing it with a 1px line image.

As I am sure you know the idea of making it skinnable is to provide a nice interface as a base. Everything will be change-able for whatever suits your tastes. I am hoping we'll be able to use PNG images to support transparency too.

dwizzy130 can you plz make the NEW Message button bigger? remember this is a finger friendly app, and the one problem i always have with sms apps, is that the new sms button is not big enough for my finger.

great graphics by the way :) maybe i can make a graphics only app for u guys to see how it is going to look on ur pda. i am a vb.net dev, but i really don't have time to finish this soon.

The graphics are my doing not dwizzy130's ;)

The current size transitions to about a regular thumb size button I'd say. I'm basing this off the fact that I currently use PointUI and it has smaller buttons in it's title bars that are press-able with a thumb but are slightly smaller than a thumb. My buttons are a good size bigger than those on the PointUI interface so hopefully it won't be too hard to press. All in all it works to be a compromise - finger friendly without taking up too much screen real estate. The problem with increasing that button size is the whole title bar would need to be increased in size and thus take up too much room in other views where the room is definitely needed.

Thank you, and a graphics app might be a good starter too!

[TeDeV]

sorry for posting the wrong name :)

[dickenz]

sorry for posting the wrong name :)

No dramas mate - No biggie :)

[md_bluelily]

Thnx for the enlightenment! I guess the language will be C++ then? The app needs to be light and fast in order to be competitive! I will just have to be patient and wait a bit longer :) I see that iContact also is written in C++, which may be a possible basic for S2S...

I guess, that when we first start in one language, it's not possible (or at least very difficult) to "convert" to another language later?

I think the main application is better to be on C++ and things like configuration which do not need too much perfomance can be on C#.

Convertion between languages is really difficult in my idea. Let's say that you will be using some language features in C++ which do not have equivalent in C# (or any other .net languages).

Best Regards,

[Touchmypro]

Just a thought,if the goal is to have an app that is more finger friendly(while being nicer to look at :) ) what if the spell check and other useful features where launched from a slightly smaller button in the top section between the name and the contact picture? I know it may sacrifice a little of the clean look,but it would add finger friendly ease of use while not wasting usable space.

Another small detail devs might want to consider when building is increasing the size of that tiny little icon that winmo gives you when you receive a picture message,I always found it so finicky to hit it just right on my Fuze I always pull out the stylus. Yes I know it's a minor issue to bring up,but I just want to throw it out there so it can be thought of when devs are contemplating layout space and design.

This is going to easily be one of the most popular applications downloaded for Winmo ever! :cool:

[dickenz]

Just a thought,if the goal is to have an app that is more finger friendly(while being nicer to look at :) ) what if the spell check and other useful features where launched from a slightly smaller button in the top section between the name and the contact picture? I know it may sacrifice a little of the clean look,but it would add finger friendly ease of use while not wasting usable space.

Most of the secondary features to the program will be housed in the Menu area of the various views. It keeps the interface clean and provides two touch access to most not-so-commonly used features.

Another small detail devs might want to consider when building is increasing the size of that tiny little icon that winmo gives you when you receive a picture message,I always found it so finicky to hit it just right on my Fuze I always pull out the stylus. Yes I know it's a minor issue to bring up,but I just want to throw it out there so it can be thought of when devs are contemplating layout space and design.

Yes definitely. I was thinking of having a different status icon (in the conversation view) for an MMS and having it finger friendly. Although we want to get SMS handling covered first.

This is going to easily be one of the most popular applications downloaded for Winmo ever! :cool:

I hope so - That'd be awesome :)

[bstylz911]

to make this more interesting, why dont u post up a DEAD LINE to this contest? and make the developers post up there ideas and let us the TESTERS vote on who wins?

[TruPlaya187]

Hi,
i don't know if this has been mention but it would be nice to be able to put this nice app into landscape...

Thanks!

[dickenz]

to make this more interesting, why dont u post up a DEAD LINE to this contest? and make the developers post up there ideas and let us the TESTERS vote on who wins?

Simply because it's not a contest - it's a project. A deadline is ludicrous when you consider we need time for bug testing, fixing etc. You never know what you may encounter from here to the finish line.

It's an open source project so everyone can contribute.

[LilGBlood]

This is coming along perfectly. Hmm, I'm trying to see what I can do. I'm trying to grab the final mockups and make .PNG's out of every little detail. Then, I'll try writing up a beta. I don't have much free time, let me see if I can get to it.

[TeDeV]

ok guys, i made an alpha - graphics only application to check how this is - should work.

as you will propably see, i moved the picture from the people in the sms list to the left, the reason is that when there are more sms in the list, and the scrollbar needs to appear, it covers the image, and this doesn't look nice.

the second change i did, was at the top bar. i moved the new sms button to the right so that it is much easier to press it with my finger. i placed a messagebox there so u guys can test it too.

i tested it on VGA and WVGA, and it worked fine. you can also click on a sms item to display a simple form i have made so far. it took me some hours to make it work, but there are a lot of things, that i don't know how to make work, like display some gradient color when there a user selects an existing sms to right click or open....

i am also going to move the slide bar from the bottom, to the middle (above the new sms area) because it is VERY easy for the user to press the 2 soft buttons instead the slide bar, and this is not finger friendly :)

here is a link for this version, just copy it to ur pda and run the exe

http://rapidshare.com/files/241604801/s2s.rar.html


and once again, i don't get credits for the graphics. i just altered the order a bit.

[odyssey96]

Hi TeDev, what language are you using to code your app? Just curious how you plan to access messages in the message stores, because if you are going down the .NET route you will need to use some sort of MAPI wrapper (that may have to be written in C++) as the PocketOutlook class does not allow access to the stores (what a b**ch), only allows you to intercept new messages and send messages?

I was putting together the UI then run into this problem, I am no C++ coder, and the In The Hand components cost $199 which provide a PocketOutlook class to handle everything you need??

[TeDeV]

i am using vb.net

i haven't got to the "retrieve sms" thing yet. and i don't know c++ .

vb.net and c# are kinda "not good enough" for this kind of things. (stupid microsoft devs)

i will keep on looking tomorrow for more fixes on this thing, even though i am SURE i will stack somewhere because of coding language problems.

i am sure that i can read, send sms with vb.net but i am not sure if i can retrieve the already existing ones.

if anyone is willing to help or has the experience feel free to contribute :)

[ajskhan]

The file has been downloaded the maximum amount of times.

If you would like, I can host the file for you. It's the least I can do. Shoot me a PM.

[bstylz911]

Simply because it's not a contest - it's a project. A deadline is ludicrous when you consider we need time for bug testing, fixing etc. You never know what you may encounter from here to the finish line.

It's an open source project so everyone can contribute.

so who will get the money???

[josh_boyd90]

yah can we somehow get the link uploaded again?

[dickenz]

so who will get the money???

I'm sure we can all be grown up enough to diligently split the money up between those that work on the project.

I personally don't want any. I'd just be happy with a decent SMS app.

[longice]

We need to get TeDev's graphics-alpha-version available for download again ASAP! Anyone got the file? Upload it and pass it on to ajskhan, please!

[JukEboXAuDiO]

Doesn't work on QVGA? Also this graphics alpha isn't functional? Also will this make texting on slide keyboards as fast as VITO SMS? VITO SMS is the fastest one out there.

[ace10134]

Doesn't work on QVGA? Also this graphics alpha isn't functional? Also will this make texting on slide keyboards as fast as VITO SMS? VITO SMS is the fastest one out there.

If Vito SMS is soo fast, then why are we even bothering ourselves with creating another SMS app? I personally love Vito SMS, the only problem is the loading screen when you initally start it up, but since we can multitask, there's no problem with that. Idk, vito sms might be a little heavy on the RAM usage. But honestly, I bet our "light" sms app with be just as resourse intense as the others.

[JukEboXAuDiO]

If Vito SMS is soo fast, then why are we even bothering ourselves with creating another SMS app? I personally love Vito SMS, the only problem is the loading screen when you initally start it up, but since we can multitask, there's no problem with that. Idk, vito sms might be a little heavy on the RAM usage. But honestly, I bet our "light" sms app with be just as resourse intense as the others.

Thats good insight but I use VITO SMS because its quick and easy and it doesn't cause in issue when I slide my keyboard on my Titan. When I use teh straight messager it freezes all the time to process. Its a pain. I want to know if this light one will be smooth like VITO SMS with less loading screens and Resource hogging.

[aidandj]

What if the red and green matched the red and green from htc's s2a because those look really nice

[longice]

What if the red and green matched the red and green from htc's s2a because those look really nice

The idea was that they were gonna match... but I haven't seen what has been done in the graphics-only-alpha release, since I'm not one of the 10 lucky ones that got to download it;)

[TeDeV]

i am uploading it again guys just a sec

here it is. i uploaded it to my account so u should be ok without the 10 times download

http://rapidshare.com/files/241779260/s2s.rar

[Kraize]

i am uploading it again guys just a sec

here it is. i uploaded it to my account so u should be ok without the 10 times download

http://rapidshare.com/files/241779260/s2s.rar

Holy shit! Very nice Proof of concept! I know you can go further :) We'll definitely get new apps up like this by posting concepts and accumulating bounty :)

i am using vb.net

i haven't got to the "retrieve sms" thing yet. and i don't know c++ .

vb.net and c# are kinda "not good enough" for this kind of things. (stupid microsoft devs)

i will keep on looking tomorrow for more fixes on this thing, even though i am SURE i will stack somewhere because of coding language problems.

i am sure that i can read, send sms with vb.net but i am not sure if i can retrieve the already existing ones.

if anyone is willing to help or has the experience feel free to contribute :)

[Suggestions]

Think you could replace windows messaging later on? Like when you click Messaging, it leads to this app instead (I don't mean change shortcut, but actually make it call upon S2S instead of regular Messaging)

Instead of having received, sent, and unread symbols on the side, you only need the received and sent. In a threaded message, it'd be awkward to do unread :P

Have the typing box expand as you type more, just like Messaging does in the new wm6.5 builds.

I think instead of having it like S2A and doing a Cancel and a Send, Just have a slide to answer because you already have a back button. It might get redundant after a while and it wouldn't make much sense to have the Sent, Received, Unread texxt above the message when you have the icons on the side, you should not add those. It'll save space as well :)

Like: http://i277.photobucket.com/albums/kk54/dknz13bt/Mytxt-concept2.jpg

MyTXT is a better name then S2S.

Make sure it integrates with the messaging notification and regular popup notifications, or have your own popup notifications that has something like slide to reply/cancel, but that might get annoying after a while.

Make sure the slider is bigger than the one in the screenshot, because people like me have big fingers lol

Have the picture next to the contact sync with the contact picture in the contact app.

Make the S2S optional! I would also just love a new SMS app that is skinnable and more customizable than the regular threaded sms! More people would be interested if you go this route

Biggest suggestion: Backup/Restore Threaded SMS in chronological order! If it's possible for you, Add a backup/restore option. I do this with PIM Backup, but the only problem, it does it in a way that it restores Received then sent messages, not in chronological order. This would be helpful :)

[Questions]

How do you plan on making this skinnable?

How do you plan on integrating MMS?

Is it possible to show a preview of the MMS?

Would this be possible with e-mail?

Could this fully replace the internal SMS? Like all sms and mms would be directed towards this app rather than messaging and you cannot access messaging unless you uninstall this app (or include an option to switch between them).


I know all this may not be possible for you to do and it might be asking a lot, but I'm hoping some other developer gets interested in this.

[dancano]

Please don't forget WQVGA.
The Interface isn't aligned right. the concept itself looks good though :)

http://www.abload.de/img/screen01557l.jpg

[TeDeV]

thank u guys, for ur replies, i am working right now on making it fully orientation aware, as for the QVGA and the WQVGA don't worry, as u can see, the messages work correctly, except the pictures. All we have to do is create smaller pics for the qvga :) so this is a "theme-problem", not coding problem :)

as for the windows messaging, i didn't get it. what is wrong with pressing a different button to open S2S instead of the original icon?

[longice]

i am uploading it again guys just a sec

here it is. i uploaded it to my account so u should be ok without the 10 times download

http://rapidshare.com/files/241779260/s2s.rar

Man, this is just beautiful!!!!!!!! It looks so great, I'm in love with it already!! We just gotta get this up and running :D:D:D

[Kraize]

thank u guys, for ur replies, i am working right now on making it fully orientation aware, as for the QVGA and the WQVGA don't worry, as u can see, the messages work correctly, except the pictures. All we have to do is create smaller pics for the qvga :) so this is a "theme-problem", not coding problem :)

as for the windows messaging, i didn't get it. what is wrong with pressing a different button to open S2S instead of the original icon?

Why not make it muti resolution compatible? Like let it scale to device size maybe? That would be easier. Just start with a base vga and wvga and svga. They can then be scaled to qvga, wqvga and sqvga. :)

[TeDeV]

because this will make the application even slower. it will need to resize all the time the pictures as you move inside the application, and this is not smart :) or quick

[longice]

Don't know if this helps, but FingerMenu has quite a nice UI for the menus... anything to pick from this? Check out the thread here (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=459125)..

[odyssey96]

i am using vb.net

i haven't got to the "retrieve sms" thing yet. and i don't know c++ .

vb.net and c# are kinda "not good enough" for this kind of things. (stupid microsoft devs)

i will keep on looking tomorrow for more fixes on this thing, even though i am SURE i will stack somewhere because of coding language problems.

i am sure that i can read, send sms with vb.net but i am not sure if i can retrieve the already existing ones.

if anyone is willing to help or has the experience feel free to contribute :)

Cool in that case I shall download your app and work on one aswell, although I code in C#, and maybe we can collaborate?

[dickenz]

Don't know if this helps, but FingerMenu has quite a nice UI for the menus... anything to pick from this? Check out the thread here (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=459125)..

We don't need to skin menu's. I prefer it to be handled by the system menus. Some people use finger menu, some use Rhodium menu enhancement and some prefer 6.5 default. So let's cater for everyone.

Great work TeDeV. Looks great on the device, appreciate the effort.

EVERYONE please note this is just a graphical preview to see how it would look on a VGA device. The goal is not to fit on your other screens yet or have any UI changes, features/functions etc - it's merely a preview and not an application that is ready for multidevice use. We're only just beginning. Layout changes may happen, design choices may change, we'll see. There is a long way to go yet :)

This is by no means a final product in my mockups. It's just an insipiration if you will, a base to start with and fine tweak until we have a lovely SMS app that is more than good enough to replace WM messaging.

@Kraize:

I'm sure we ca replace WM messaging somehow. VITO does right?

[ajskhan]

In case that link goes down:
http://charleysburleson.com/other-files/s2s.rar
if there is a problem hosting it, please do let me know and it will be taken down ASAP.

[magicalan]

In case that link goes down:
http://charleysburleson.com/other-files/s2s.rar
if there is a problem hosting it, please do let me know and it will be taken down ASAP.

what is this i open the s2s.exe on my computer and at picture came out xD

[longice]

what is this i open the s2s.exe on my computer and at picture came out xD

Please read the posts carefully. You are supposed to open this on your device, not on your computer:p

And be aware that this is NOT a functional app, it is just a graphics preview. The app doesn't do anything. It's just a preview, so that you can see what the app will look like when it gets done.

[sinoo]

Looks awesome... Amazing...

[TeDeV]

ok guys, here are the "today's fixes". it might seem as a little bit of work, but trust me. i am dealing with all the crapy disadvantages i am getting from the language.

http://rapidshare.com/files/241991047/s2s.rar

as u might notice again, i haven't include the "circle-type" message, as i don't know what that is, and i can't think of any usage for that. i have also thought about the slide bar (which is not included in this version), and my opinion is that it shouldn't exist since it takes space (enough space), which we could use to display more of a new typing message, or of an existing one.

that's my opinion :) tell me what u think. i have also a problem that i don't know how to solve yet. as u might notice, when u open the keyboard.... the textbox doesn't move up so the keyboard goes above it. i need to find a way to over come this.

if this goes well, i might start finding a way to import the already existing sms and make this app kinda working (as a VERY alpha version, don't start me on mms etc)

[ace10134]

...i have also thought about the slide bar (which is not included in this version), and my opinion is that it shouldn't exist since it takes space (enough space), which we could use to display more of a new typing message, or of an existing one...

I second that. No slide2send necessary, it's just an extra hassle to use, really.

[d4nii]

I love the idea of the sidebar =( haha

[Kraize]

I second that. No slide2send necessary, it's just an extra hassle to use, really.

That's why one of my suggestions was to make it optional because some people would prefer it.

[Touchmypro]

Ok so I have a question for everyone.
The main concern surrounding this application seem to be how to add features while keeping the memory footprint down correct?

Now I no NOTHING about programing at all,but "in theory" wouldn't it be possible to make a larger file that has all these options compiled mainly into one executable file then compress it with an executable compression program like this one >>http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=493628&highlight=squeezer

I use this program on applications installed on my phone all the time and it works very nicely,it just cant be used on .Net files(it prefers c languages)
This program IS NOT to compress files to a RAR,Zip,ARC type format,but rather to compress *.exe files internally so they are smaller. The result is always a dramatically different memory footprint and faster loading times.

YotaContacts.exe: Original - 3,379 kb \Compressed - 883 kb
Opera9.exe: Original - 6,475 kb \Compressed - 2,484 kb
GoogleMaps.exe: Original -1,689 kb \Compressed - 598 kb
(SPB) MobileShell.exe: Original -1,689 kb \Compressed - 581 kb

So if there were as little as possible additional files and the main *.exe program was built around the idea that it was going to be compressed before distribution,wouldn't this help when it came to adding more features that may have otherwise been left out?

also for real estate space if the S2S bar was made smaller so there wasnt so much of a glide distance it may make the feature less annoying in the long run,so if you were to actually locate that bar about a half inch form the edge and end it a half inch early it would achieve two things, one place your thumb at a more natural position naturally when reaching for it,and secondly give you space on each side of the slide to place function buttons.

Just thoughts, Cheers everyone!
:)

[dickenz]

Guys as an alternative to the Slide bar - What about a thumbable 'Send' button on the right hand side of the input box? Big enough to touch with a thumb but maintain maximum input space? That way we cater for all?

[d4nii]

Guys as an alternative to the Slide bar - What about a thumbable 'Send' button on the right hand side of the input box? Big enough to touch with a thumb but maintain maximum input space? That way we cater for all?

Good for me =)

[longice]

Hey guys!

TeDeV, this newest graphics alpha looks really great! I think this is going the right way! I'm impressed by you work! Do you have an option to remove the scroll bar at the right? It's really not needed, as thumb scrolling is easy by just dragging in the list.

Regarding the Slide-button: I think this is one of the most important features of this app. I understand that it might be a challenge to develop, but still it's my opinion that this just be included. If not for the alpha versions, then at least for the betas. The Slide2 is -- together with the graphical UI - what is gonna separate this app from everything else, and make it so much better!

Now, I'm no programmer, so I don't know what challenge it would be, but I think that we should look into it. Others has made it work (S2U2). If we move the message history up as the on screen keyboard pops out, there will still be plenty of room for the new message.

[kly]

Haven't had the chance to start on this one yet.
Looks like others will be in front :-)

Nevertheless, it's never a bad idea to have some different developers working on the same thing and exchanging ideas, to obtain the best result with the best ideas as possible.

I've been working on my HTC weekly Calendar for the Topaz and it's almost finished.
Development for this project will start this weekend at the latest.

[longice]

Haven't had the chance to start on this one yet.
Looks like others will be in front :-)

Nevertheless, it's never a bad idea to have some different developers working on the same thing and exchanging ideas, to obtain the best result with the best ideas as possible.

I've been working on my HTC weekly Calendar for the Topaz and it's almost finished.
Development for this project will start this weekend at the latest.

Sounds great, kly, looking forward to getting you on board! :)

[TeDeV]

thank u guys for ur replies. i have included the Thumb Send button as a soft-key.

as for the thing to remove the bar in the sms history, it is a good idea, but i think that some devices can't finger scroll. correct me if i am wrong.

and sorry but the Slide button is not the most important thing in this app :). easy-to-use is the key word. i know that by taking the slide bar out there is no reason to call this app "Slide2Send" but still :). i might find a way to include it.

[kly]

Might be interesting ;-)

http://sourceforge.net/projects/mapidotnet
http://www.codeproject.com/KB/mobile/PocketPCandSmartphone.aspx

It's written in c#, but with the little information I could find, I think the best option is to go with c# at the moment.
I know it's slower (not 10 times as mentioned before, but more in the region of 5 to max 10 percent) compared to c++.
I think if we really take care with memory usage and such, we can build a fast application in c#.

I would be happy to code in c++, if somebody finds some useful information on how to retrieve all existing messages.
I don't have Visual Studio here at work (only the express editions), so I can't try these out for myself at the moment :-)

[TeDeV]

c# is the same as vb

[larbke666]

c# is the same as vb

C# is definately not the same as VB, VB requires much more text to define something and is slower imo.

C# is imo the way to go, it's easy to work with, normally fast enough...

[TeDeV]

haha ok whatever u say..... some people know vb, some know c#. but in the end the differences are too few. c# can also be compared with java to the coding style they have. if u know java u can EASILY know c# too. if u are used to vb.net (which is more easy to understand for a human) then c# seems stupid in some cases like when u have to use ";" or "{ }" instead of a simply end sub or somthing. so don't tell me that it's easy to work with.

[larbke666]

haha ok whatever u say..... some people know vb, some know c#. but in the end the differences are too few. c# can also be compared with java to the coding style they have. if u know java u can EASILY know c# too. if u are used to vb.net (which is more easy to understand for a human) then c# seems stupid in some cases like when u have to use ";" or "{ }" instead of a simply end sub or somthing. so don't tell me that it's easy to work with.

Lol i've done plenty of projects in C# and VB so i know what it is...

It's not that it's easy to work with (if you don't know it), there are few things you should know indeed.

Every programming language is actually almost the same: Java, C#, C++, VB, MortScript. If you know 1, it isn't hard to learn the other. :)

But in what i've seen in my projects, C# really is easier than VB, and it's much less typing work, e.g.: Int X (C#), Dim X As Integer (VB)

It are small things, but it are differences. I don't care in which language this program will be written, as long as I can use it :p and it's not to slow :p

[heazky]

Lol i've done plenty of projects in C# and VB so i know what it is...

It's not that it's easy to work with (if you don't know it), there are few things you should know indeed.

Every programming language is actually almost the same: Java, C#, C++, VB, MortScript. If you know 1, it isn't hard to learn the other. :)

But in what i've seen in my projects, C# really is easier than VB, and it's much less typing work, e.g.: Int X (C#), Dim X As Integer (VB)

It are small things, but it are differences. I don't care in which language this program will be written, as long as I can use it :p and it's not to slow :p

Furthermore C# has the ability to code in unmanaged ("unsafe") mode. This makes C# way more performant than VB. For example: you'd never want to code a motion detection program (where there is a need for very-fast bitmap analyzation) in VB; though in C# unmanaged mode, it's no problem.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not here to critisize VB.NET, it's a great language, but imho more suit for learning purposes. If you want more advanced stuff, and wannt to stay with .NET, then C# is your best choice.

For this project, the choice of C# vs VB probably wouldn't make much of a difference. C++ vs .NET (C#/VB) would have a greater impact.


Anyway, on-topic. These are great concepts! When I'm done with finals, and I might find the time beside my other projects, I'll see if I can help hack this application together. Otherwise count me in for a $10 donation to the project.

[longice]

... I'll see if I can help hack this application together. Otherwise count me in for a $10 donation to the project.

Thnx for sharing, heazky! I'm putting you up for a $10 donation, but I hope that you can contribute on development, if you have the time;)

[l3v5y]

C++ would be my language of preference, since it's much faster than C#/VB etc and doesn't need any thing like .Net CF 3.5 to run...

[stylez]

Looks awesome :) Folowing thread and looking forward to what youz programmers come out with as a product.
Sorry can't help as no programming language infact my English is bad too :rolleyes:
Good luck all :cool:

[odyssey96]

C++ would be my language of preference, since it's much faster than C#/VB etc and doesn't need any thing like .Net CF 3.5 to run...

True, but I see a lot of ROMS being cooked with .Net CF 3.5 anyway, and it is a free distribution so it is not like the user base will be limited.

Also, from the community point of view, c# is far more accessible, therefore as an open source application bug fix and feature implementation would be more frequent.

I think the fundamental design approach is of equal interest, for example in a little mock up I was designing I created a class for the item list which would draw button information to its own bitmap which was used to draw directly to the form background during the OnPaint event, as user controls do not seem to fully support transparent backgrounds in .NET CF. This way, it avoids having the user control capturing the background image of the form within its region and drawing to the background of the user control, therefore saving precious processing time :) As there seems to be a number of people with programming experince with interest on this project, collecting the best practice "how to's" to handle each component of the application would be an idea, i.e. this would be the best way to incorporate message interception handling, this would be the best way to incorporate message store access, this would be the best way to incorporate animations, etc.

[TeDeV]

well as i see it, we all have different opinions on this, so we should all combine to get this right.

i am developing this app just for fun and not for any money or something. if it comes up good, then it's ur choise to keep it or not :)

[nihawk]

very very lovely

[Sean D.]

Guys as an alternative to the Slide bar - What about a thumbable 'Send' button on the right hand side of the input box? Big enough to touch with a thumb but maintain maximum input space? That way we cater for all?

Alright, this is just like Pocket CM. Which isn't really a bad thing... but why put in this much input and effort to essentially mimick another app? :confused:

I have no problem with the button, but maybe it can be made as an option. Either choose the slide bar, or the send button...?
if for no other reason, bu to differentiate it from anything else out there.

[digiblur]

If it doesn't have the keyboard lag like the MS one does I'm all for it!

[longice]

Alright, this is just like Pocket CM. Which isn't really a bad thing... but why put in this much input and effort to essentially mimick another app? :confused:

I have no problem with the button, but maybe it can be made as an option. Either choose the slide bar, or the send button...?
if for no other reason, bu to differentiate it from anything else out there.

Couldn't agree more, Sean (except that PocketCM looks like shit:p). The app needs to be something different than everything else. Of course a sweet design and fast to work with, but I believe that the Slide-button is what will make this app famous :)

[dickenz]

Alright, this is just like Pocket CM. Which isn't really a bad thing... but why put in this much input and effort to essentially mimick another app? :confused:

I have no problem with the button, but maybe it can be made as an option. Either choose the slide bar, or the send button...?
if for no other reason, bu to differentiate it from anything else out there.

Because PocketCM replaces your contacts, call history etc. And not to mention it doesn't even replace the Windows messaging just adds its own messaging function. This will be a COMPLETE REPLACMENT for SMS/MMS.

Yes the idea out there at the moment is for an option, either a button or the slide bar if preferred. But you're looking at this project from the wrong angle... The idea is not to differentiate but create a base app that is ten-fold more smooth, slick and finger friendly that the current WinMo SMS app that people can then add their own personalised flare to.

That way everyone has an SMS app they love and aren't like 'ARGH' waiting for and looking at WinMo's current SMS app.

[ace10134]

...This will be a COMPLETE REPLACMENT for SMS/MMS...

Not sure if that can be done. You can intercept messages and everything, but you can't remove the traditional Windows Mobile Messaging program.

[dickenz]

Not sure if that can be done. You can intercept messages and everything, but you can't remove the traditional Windows Mobile Messaging program.

Doesn't VITO SMS Chat replace it?

I didn't mean to removing poutlook/tmail, but replace it's links etc in the system. Just like the TF3Dv2 SMS app does. Cover it up, blanket it. Hide it so no one ever knew it was there ;) :p

[Sean D.]

Doesn't VITO SMS Chat replace it?

I didn't mean to removing poutlook/tmail, but replace it's links etc in the system. Just like the TF3Dv2 SMS app does. Cover it up, blanket it. Hide it so no one ever knew it was there ;) :p

If this is the case, than I'm ALL for it. Even more so than I was at the outset.

:D

[k1sr]

I just gotta say: AWESOME...!!!

But pretty pretty please add some email interface into this too...

It's a funny world we live in: I love WM because of the development community, but I hate WM because of the crappy ugly interface, but I love WM because of the community that fixes the ugly interfaces, and then I love WM again...

[ace10134]

I just gotta say: AWESOME...!!!

But pretty pretty please add some email interface into this too...

It's a funny world we live in: I love WM because of the development community, but I hate WM because of the crappy ugly interface, but I love WM because of the community that fixes the ugly interfaces, and then I love WM again...

Yea I say what we need is a Pre-like messaging app! Combine texts, emails, and IM's in one thread! That would be new and necessary on WinMo, compared to just another SMS app. If we made that, then we would be the first, and the app would be necessary, not just another option.