Best wifi login utility? For internet cafes where you must log onto webpage?

[quicksite]

I've been using T-mobile touchscreen devices for 4 years, and I STILL have problems with basics of accessing wifi at cafes, hotspots, etc.

Connecting to these wifi networks is not a problem; there are multiple ways to do that with my T-Mobile Wing, for instance, but the problem is with accessing the wifi provider's login webpage where you are asked to agree to their terms and conditions.

OperaMini is my primary browser, but I have never been able to access a wifi "terms and conditions login page" via OperaMini, I am guessing due to it's a java app.

Yes, I can use I.E., but it is so damn slow and cumbersome, just to load and then try to hit your default homepage, then having to manually select "Homepage", then have it reload.

There must be better ways. For Starbucks usage, T-Mobile has its own "Hotspot Login Utility" which is supposed to handle all of that. I have never had it simply work... wherein i go to starbucks, launch Hotspot utility, and have it turn on wifi- then auto connect to the ATT network using my stored username & password in the HotSpot Utility.

So what are the best ways people have found to minimize this process and connect fast... I get a headache every time I want to ultilize one of my phone's best features.

For me the ideal app/utility would behave this way:

a) I am using my regular GPRS data connection, which is always on, and which I use for SMS or checking email with opera mini wherever I may be.

b) I enter a place that has free wifi, but requires you access their webpage to accept terms and conditions.

c) I want to click on one utility that loads quickly, turns on wifi, launches & opens that webpage (whether loading a fast non-java browser, or some direct internet connection), then upon logging into that establishment's wifi, I can close that util and have OperaMini launch and use wifi, not gprs data.

What is the app/apps I need? thank you.

[Farmer Ted]

I have no clue, but I'd love the same thing. PIE seems like it's the only browser that will re-direct to the login page automatically. Have you tried just saving the page as a favorite in opera mini? I know it's a pain in the butt, you'll have to cut-and-paste the address from PIE to mini, but that might work for a particular location.

After making a connection with PIE, I can usually switch browsers (I use mini most of the time, too), but the connection seems to drop frequently. Fortunately, my main coffee shop doesn't have one of those forced logins.

[quicksite]

It doesn't work. ... well at least I am glad I am not the only one with this problem.... I feel totally out of the loop on this, which seems like a Wifi-101 question ! :) thanks for replying. (I have also asked the great and powerful Menneisyys (http://forum.xda-developers.com/member.php?u=253842) on this browser thread (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=467173). Hopefully he will have the perfect answer!)

I have no clue, but I'd love the same thing. PIE seems like it's the only browser that will re-direct to the login page automatically. Have you tried just saving the page as a favorite in opera mini? I know it's a pain in the butt, you'll have to cut-and-paste the address from PIE to mini, but that might work for a particular location.

After making a connection with PIE, I can usually switch browsers (I use mini most of the time, too), but the connection seems to drop frequently. Fortunately, my main coffee shop doesn't have one of those forced logins.

[willl]

quicksite, I use the Iris Browser (http://www.irisbrowser.com/) for logging into the free Mc Donalds Free WiFi (http://www.maccasfreewifi.com/) (yes, most if not all Mc Donalds has free WiFi here in Australia!).

Though, I don't actually remember being able to access the net using Opera Mini. But that may be due to the hotspot restrictions more than anything else. So YMMV there.

Also, note that Opera Mini is just a thin client. It must have internet access to be able to access anything at all. Everything gets encoded server side before it reaches your device, hence why you can't use Opera Mini to login with.

And some hotspot providers require you to keep the browser with the login page open whilst you surf. The Iris browser allows for multitabs, so you can always just open another tab to surf.

[tene20]

I use this for logging in automatically on my campus network:

http://devicescape.com/

[quicksite]

but lots to first figure out re how everything gets routed, any hidden costs, etc. Thanks very much for posting! I use this for logging in automatically on my campus network:
http://devicescape.com/

I can't wait to explore this. I figured there had to be some completely innovative ways of handling this very basic function. But just from a cursory reading, so far, it looks like there are many parts to this enterprise... i.e., registering your device with this service, installing EasyWiFi application, there's something about FON network which I don't yet understand... like maybe your device logs onto a cafe's wifi service, supplying that service with "devicescape's" agreement to Terms of Service. Then routing from the provider's wifi network to something called the FON network... But at this point I have to do a bunch more reading.

http://forum.xda-developers.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=215033&stc=1&d=1249978068


For everyone else: Here's what I found in their Terms of Service, which describes a bit how they handle the agreement to wifi provider Terms of Service:

Account-Free Providers

Some providers offer access to their hotspot network without requiring you to create an account. The Service has the capability to automatically connect you to these types of networks without your submission of any provider information to Devicescape. If you wish to use these account-free providers, you may be unable to view their end user license agreements and/or terms of service. You acknowledge and agree that Devicescape may automatically log you in to such providers and may accept end user license agreements and/or terms of service from such providers on your behalf.


Due to wireless device limitations, the Service may or may not allow you to select whether you wish to use these account-free providers. If you do not agree with Devicescape's process of accepting such end user license agreement and/or terms of service from such providers, then you must disable this capability, provided that the Service allows this capability to be disabled. If the Service does not allow for disabling use of these account-free networks, your sole recourse is to cease your use of the Service.
Certain account-free providers request your email address in order to provide access. The Service will allow you to opt-in to supplying your email address whenever requested by such providers, and will not submit your email address without your agreement. In the circumstance where you opt-in to this arrangement, Devicescape is not responsible in any way for the use of your email address by such providers.
Then there's this, re adding your provider to Devicescape's network. They say this is free.

Submit A New Wi-Fi Hotspot

Devicescape supports many hotspots and wireless networks, but if your favorites aren't yet supported, you can help us add them. Start by collecting some info and use this web form to submit it us. We will process submissions on a time-available basis.
Personal Network?

We can only list hotspots in our directory that are operated by organizations and intended for general access by the public, subscribers, students, etc. If this is a personal (e.g., individual or private) network, you can add it your own Devicescape account by using the "Add a Personal Network" button on the "My Wi-Fi" page or clicking here (https://my.devicescape.com/member/edit-service.do).
Open network?

We are currently only adding hotspots that have a welcome or login page to our directory. If this hotspot does not have a welcome or login page, you can add it your own Devicescape account by using the "Add a Personal Network" button on the "My Wi-Fi" page or clicking here (https://my.devicescape.com/member/edit-service.do).
Network requires 802.1x or WPA Enterprise?

Unfortunately we cannot support 802.1x or WPA Enterprise networks at this time. The form below can be used to submit networks that use web-based captive portal authentication only. If you have a network that only uses WEP or WPA Personal authentication, you can add it your own Devicescape account by using the "Add a Personal Network" button on the "My Wi-Fi" page or clicking here (https://my.devicescape.com/member/edit-service.do).
To submit a new hotspot, follow the basic instructions below, or view more detailed instructions. (https://my.devicescape.com/member/new-service-help.do)


Record the provider's Network Name or SSID.
Save all welcome and login pages.
Be sure to capture every page required to get you to online access.
Submit the info to us via the form below.


We will notify you when the new hotspot network is available. Thanks for contributing to building out the Devicescape!
Basic Information: (required) SSID: Name of the hotspot provider:
(e.g., "Wi-Fi Everywhere" or "Hotspots “R”Us") Name of the location:
(e.g., "Joe's Tea Shop") Address:
(Street, City, Region, Country, e.g., "1 Bay St, Toronto, ON, CA") Home page URL for location or provider: Does this Hotspot have a welcome page? no yes Welcome page: Does this Hotspot have a login page? no yes Login Page: Is 802.1X or WPA Enterprise required? no yes In order to add an 802.1X or WPA Enterprise network, we need to have the following information: EAP type (TTLS, PEAP), tunneled EAP type (EAP MS-CHAPv2, PAP, etc.), WPA Version, Certificate Domain, Key Mgmt (Dynamic WEP, WPA Enterprise), Cipher (TKIP, CCMP). If possible, please supply a URL for a web page that describes this information. If not, include the information below. 802.1X information URL (or details):
Additional Information: Provider support page URL: Comments:





I'm just starting to investigate this whole offering... so I'd appreciate it if anyone sees anything just within these quoted sections that sounds ill-advisable?

Finally, for now, here's a video that describes how iphone's use their service, as indicator of how it works:

http://forum.xda-developers.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=215032&stc=1&d=1249977695 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1PrZvF7atSE)

[quicksite]

[Jul 23][WiFi Monster v1.0.52.149] The best WiFi software ever ;) (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=488566)


http://forum.xda-developers.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=215065&stc=1&d=1249983208

Download:
http://www.wifimonster.net/downloads.php

[firefly123]

Stuff like this that shows why iphone is winning the war. It's 2009 and still a hassle to get on to a captive portal !!! :mad:

[montecristo1]

Stuff like this that shows why iphone is winning the war. It's 2009 and still a hassle to get on to a captive portal !!! :mad:

In my opinion, Apple makes it easier to find apps in ONE place...but that doesn't mean there isn't a solution for WM. And definitely don't want to get into the Apple vs WM crap. Windows mobile has many versions of different apps and are scattered everywhere. Looking for them is the challenging part. So far, I have accumulated over 12gb worth of apps for windows mobile-this includes some upgrades, mods. Probably would have had more if I was into cooked Roms.

With my HTC Touch Pro, I am using Opera Mobile v9.5 v2808- a modified version with some Flash support (found it here). Before I screwed up my wifi- i was able to get online at Barnes & Nobles, McDonald's, Borders, home network and many mom and pops coffee shops with NO issues.

I used this OLD app, Hitchiker, that worked on my Touch Pro.

[quicksite]

With my HTC Touch Pro, I am using Opera Mobile v9.5 v2808- a modified version with some Flash support (found it here). ...i was able to get online ...with NO issues... used this OLD app, Hitchiker, that worked on my Touch Pro.

I hope this works for me, thanks for posting. (I've also been meaning to download the modified Opera Mobile browser). Let me ask you, though: It's the security settings and acceptance that make it so cumbersome.

Actually I am thankful that there ARE such security warnings when trying to log onto a non-secure public access point. But .... I should really only have to say "OKAY" once. With Internet Explorer, and with the browser I started using most, Netfront, it took at least 4 if not 6 "OKAY" responses to switching to/from secure page etc. My original post was longer. But the issue for me is: *Sometimes* when I go to a coffee house it's to grab a coffee, check email, send a movie file or picture file, and then go, sometimes to catch bus or train. So I don't have all day. And I have found over and over again that by the time it takes me to accomplish those approximately 15 clicks to activate wifi and launch a new browser and accept login agreement including all the security acceptance, I would have more quickly gotten my email and even uploaded a large set of photo files by just staying connected to Edge and forgetting the whole damn wifi attempt... I've missed trains in San Francisco many a time, seriously, just from trying to take advantage of wifi speed at a cafe and going through so many ridiculous steps. Many a time by the time I had all the clicks accepted and I was able to browse freely, my train was there and I had to run -- completely defeating the whole experience.

Two other comments:

(1) I finally found a utility that was promising: Peek .... but it would be "sabotaged" by the inconsistent behavior of AKtoggle and other wifi on/wifi off utilities avail, vs having to click Settings > Connections > Communication Manager > wifi on > then wifi settings just to select the access point. I have never ever had anyone's version of a wifi on/ wifi off toggle button work consistently and normally. Every other time you try turning wifi on, and no, it doesn;t work. I've come to find out that if your regular edge data connection is either on or off, then the toggle doesn't work, which means once again going to Communicaton Manager and tapping through to the primary command, then once your device sees wifi access points, you still then have to use the other tool (like "Peek") to select the access point... or follow the etxra 4 clicks to do it within the Communication Manager.

(2) I'm completely platform agnostic as I use macs, PCs, WM and now android devices, and if the functions work and I can get the task done, i really don't care whose name is on the object or software... But I have to agree with firefly123, it's stuff like this that Apple knows how to solve with smooth simplicity... But it goes further than that. Apple/iPhone users have a conditioning that automatically expects stuff like this to be simple, whereas I was astounded by, on the other thread I posted about this same login issue, WM users were just fine with the multiple steps, and quite surprised I was even asking/complaining...in other words, a conditioning that says "what's another 3 or 4 or 5 or 6 clicks, as long as you can get the whole process done in a reasonable amount of time?".

That's what baffled me most. I love XDA... yet I was very surprised by the huge yaaaaaaaawwwwwnnnnn I got on this issue: cumbersome and multi-stepped is just fine with hundreds of thousands of Windows Mobile users. Meanwhile I miss my bus or train from staying to finish that last step and finally access wifi to upload my pics... when using Edge would have ultimately been faster. Bizarre.

[hungry81]

I hope this works for me, thanks for posting. (I've also been meaning to download the modified Opera Mobile browser). Let me ask you, though: It's the security settings and acceptance that make it so cumbersome.

Actually I am thankful that there ARE such security warnings when trying to log onto a non-secure public access point. But .... I should really only have to say "OKAY" once. With Internet Explorer, and with the browser I started using most, Netfront, it took at least 4 if not 6 "OKAY" responses to switching to/from secure page etc. My original post was longer. But the issue for me is: *Sometimes* when I go to a coffee house it's to grab a coffee, check email, send a movie file or picture file, and then go, sometimes to catch bus or train. So I don't have all day. And I have found over and over again that by the time it takes me to accomplish those approximately 15 clicks to activate wifi and launch a new browser and accept login agreement including all the security acceptance, I would have more quickly gotten my email and even uploaded a large set of photo files by just staying connected to Edge and forgetting the whole damn wifi attempt... I've missed trains in San Francisco many a time, seriously, just from trying to take advantage of wifi speed at a cafe and going through so many ridiculous steps. Many a time by the time I had all the clicks accepted and I was able to browse freely, my train was there and I had to run -- completely defeating the whole experience.

Two other comments:

(1) I finally found a utility that was promising: Peek .... but it would be "sabotaged" by the inconsistent behavior of AKtoggle and other wifi on/wifi off utilities avail, vs having to click Settings > Connections > Communication Manager > wifi on > then wifi settings just to select the access point. I have never ever had anyone's version of a wifi on/ wifi off toggle button work consistently and normally. Every other time you try turning wifi on, and no, it doesn;t work. I've come to find out that if your regular edge data connection is either on or off, then the toggle doesn't work, which means once again going to Communicaton Manager and tapping through to the primary command, then once your device sees wifi access points, you still then have to use the other tool (like "Peek") to select the access point... or follow the etxra 4 clicks to do it within the Communication Manager.

(2) I'm completely platform agnostic as I use macs, PCs, WM and now android devices, and if the functions work and I can get the task done, i really don't care whose name is on the object or software... But I have to agree with firefly123, it's stuff like this that Apple knows how to solve with smooth simplicity... But it goes further than that. Apple/iPhone users have a conditioning that automatically expects stuff like this to be simple, whereas I was astounded by, on the other thread I posted about this same login issue, WM users were just fine with the multiple steps, and quite surprised I was even asking/complaining...in other words, a conditioning that says "what's another 3 or 4 or 5 or 6 clicks, as long as you can get the whole process done in a reasonable amount of time?".

That's what baffled me most. I love XDA... yet I was very surprised by the huge yaaaaaaaawwwwwnnnnn I got on this issue: cumbersome and multi-stepped is just fine with hundreds of thousands of Windows Mobile users. Meanwhile I miss my bus or train from staying to finish that last step and finally access wifi to upload my pics... when using Edge would have ultimately been faster. Bizarre.

So iphones NEVER take you to the WIFI providers conditions acceptance screen? can some one verify this? cause if so thats good, but truthfully I dont have as much problem as you are talking about on my WM xperia. I use wifi monster or the comm manager that comes with SPB mobile shell and then access opera mobile (9.5), the terms and conditions screen loads up I accept it and thats pretty much it. No real hastle and its easy and quick. I dont know why you are having so much problem. just for comparasin can you outline the steps it takes to connect an iphone?

But at any rate for the developers out there its somthing to consider, a browser with access to a comm manager in it.

regards
Chris

[quicksite]

Chris, thanks... Sorry I was pontificating there. Let me clear up a few things. (1) I don't have an iphone; I've never had one in my hand for more than a half hour exploring, so have never used it in "real life" scenarios. (2) I wasn't suggesting Apple could magically make all the login and acceptance requirements go away! I just meant that they do focus on exactly these kinds of common bottlenecks, to try to reduce the clutter of steps, and get the goal accomplished. (3) #2 above is not based on my having used an iphone at a coffeehouse, nor watching someone with an iphone login at a coffee house. I was commenting because this thread had been dormant for a good while, then suddenly yesterday someone commented about frustration he was having with this very issue -- and HE concluded something like "this is why Apple is winning the war".

I never took that as any kind of fanboy comment, or instigating remark. I am just imagining this person had some similar problems that I have had, and searched XDA, and came upon this thread -- because there are no other threads that I know of on this site on this subject matter of wifi utility to help smooth out the coffee house login process. And he probably read thru it thinking at the end was a solution... only to find the thread dropped off because nobody presented a solution... I merely did my best to comb the web and XDA to find potential solutions, but it stopped there because most of the utilities were about turning your device's wifi on or off, then selecting an access point. But that's not the problem that needs solving.

What I was suggesting is that just like a Google mail app connects to the web within its own UI, and NOT opening up a browser, which on some older devices like mine does take a while just to get the browser open and loaded to its home page... And it queries for username and password then pulls in your mail. And just like T-mobile has a Hotspot Utility that is a very niche specialized version of such a wifi utility limited to its access point locations like starbucks and airports and fed ex kinkos offcies, it similarly establishes a web connection without opening a browser. But it's purpose is exactly what I am talking about: to make that stuff happen as much as possible in the background so that you then get confirmation of being logged in and connected,and you can then use whatever browser you like, including opera mini.

So, though I am not a programmer, it seems to me this would not be so hard to master if someone who IS a developer applied some resource time to the problem (but that's just it, it doesn't seem to be a problem that most feel warrants any resource time applied to it). To me it would be very simple.

(1) Click a button and it queries the state of all data connections on your phone noting if wifi is on or off, and makes sure to turn wifi on if needed. (2) Like most wifi utilities, it then seeks the strongest connection and tries to login to any unsecured access point, or, if it recognizes even a secured access point, follows a login proceedure. (3) I am not sure how best to explain step 3 but to me it happens in the background: A dedicated web client/ thin-browser (something to build) opens and issues the normal commands that = "open my browser and after it loads, hit the home button to then have the browser connect to the coffee house's login page. (4) My hope would be that at this point the thin browser client can present the login page, user clicks "i agree" as normal, then (5) the connection to the wifi access point in made, and (6) the utility puts itself away, opening my preferred or default browser... and (7) I just start using my browser which is now connected via wifi.

As a user experience designer I can envision this thin client speeding up this process because it doesn't have to load a full featured browser, and it includes the wifi on/off function, essentially resulting in this, as far as user is concerned:

(1) arrive at a wifi spot that requires accepting TOS, click "SuperWifiLogonUtility" and all the wifi on/wifi off stuff happens in background.

(2) I select the access point i am trying to connect to, done.

(3) Background processes occur, and the next thing I see is the wifi provider's login page and I check "yes, i agree"

(4) That goes away, my preferred browser opens and I begin using browser connected to wifi.

Of course, I could be wrong, and perhaps this is complicated. It doesn't seem so to me :)

So iphones NEVER take you to the WIFI providers conditions acceptance screen? can some one verify this? cause if so thats good, but truthfully I dont have as much problem as you are talking about on my WM xperia. I use wifi monster or the comm manager that comes with SPB mobile shell and then access opera mobile (9.5), the terms and conditions screen loads up I accept it and thats pretty much it. No real hastle and its easy and quick. I dont know why you are having so much problem. just for comparasin can you outline the steps it takes to connect an iphone?

But at any rate for the developers out there its somthing to consider, a browser with access to a comm manager in it.

regards
Chris

[kellywt]

OperaMini uses a built-in proxy server called Opera Turbo that loads the page from Opera's server, compresses it that send the page to your device in order to reduce bandwidth and increase speeds over mobile networks. My best guess is the the hotspot login page you are trying to access can only be reached locally and is therefor not accessible using Opera Turbo. If you turn off Opera Turbo from the setting page you should be able to use it as any other browser.

[Little812]

OperaMini uses a built-in proxy server called Opera Turbo that loads the page from Opera's server, compresses it that send the page to your device in order to reduce bandwidth and increase speeds over mobile networks. My best guess is the the hotspot login page you are trying to access can only be reached locally and is therefor not accessible using Opera Turbo. If you turn off Opera Turbo from the setting page you should be able to use it as any other browser.

a lot has changed in two years!