[RADIO][Update Feb 11th] Topaz Radio ROM list

[BeeGee_Tokyo]

Hi all !
Here is a thread for all Radio version available for Topaz device.

For the Newbies here:
The radio ROM is responsible for Wifi, phone signal, GPS. Changing the radio ROM can improve your phone (or make it worse) regarding Wifi sensitivity, phone signal availability, GPS satellite receiving and GPS lag.

Unfortunately there is no confirmed measurement available yet to tell you which radio ROM is the best for you. It depends on the OS ROM you use, the region you are living and your personal needs.

Radio list
3.43.25.19-------------Link1 (http://www.giesecke.tk/xda/index.php?dir=Radios%2F)--Link2 (http://bitroad.net/download/5423ccc7b87cb826a9edd4c41e9811c2a/Topaz_Radio_3.43.25.19.rar.html)--Link3 (http://rapidshare.com/files/272830006/Topaz_Radio_3.43.25.19.rar)------------3.44.25.27-----------Link1 (http://www.giesecke.tk/xda/index.php?dir=Radios%2F)--Link2 (http://bitroad.net/download/30c1d1aa6373974dcf96a5e325651bca3/Topaz_Radio_3.44.25.27.rar.html)--Link3 (http://rapidshare.com/files/272830004/Topaz_Radio_3.44.25.27.rar)
3.45.25.22 AT&T-----Link1 (http://www.giesecke.tk/xda/index.php?dir=Radios%2F)--Link2 (http://bitroad.net/download/1e224793a6fc75247e23fda3790963c4e/Topaz_Radio_3.45.25.22_AT&T.rar.html)--Link3 (http://rapidshare.com/files/272830144/Topaz_Radio_3.45.25.22_AT_T.rar)------------3.45.25.22 HTC-----Link1 (http://www.giesecke.tk/xda/index.php?dir=Radios%2F)--Link2 (http://bitroad.net/download/8d9327b22ad5b2cdfd3523af61abdf45d/Topaz_Radio_3.45.25.22_HTC.rar.html)--Link3 (http://rapidshare.com/files/272830140/Topaz_Radio_3.45.25.22_HTC.rar)
3.46.25.18-------------Link1 (http://www.giesecke.tk/xda/index.php?dir=Radios%2F)--Link2 (http://bitroad.net/download/1c3eaf9b0ce576cc73ff9bc14569e32ab/Topaz_Radio_3.46.25.18.rar.html)--Link3 (http://rapidshare.com/files/272830106/Topaz_Radio_3.46.25.18.rar)------------4.47.25.01-----------Link1 (http://www.giesecke.tk/xda/index.php?dir=Radios%2F)--Link2 (http://bitroad.net/download/577a5b30bca0693771b65bff2e4fb336e/Topaz_Radio_4.47.25.01.rar.html)--Link3 (http://rapidshare.com/files/272830109/Topaz_Radio_4.47.25.01.rar)
4.47.25.09-------------Link1 (http://www.giesecke.tk/xda/index.php?dir=Radios%2F)--Link2 (http://bitroad.net/download/02a0647f5b20ee306cf2bfe3bc63ba9e4/Topaz_Radio_4.47.25.09.rar.html)--Link3 (http://rapidshare.com/files/272830031/Topaz_Radio_4.47.25.09.rar)------------4.47.25.13-----------Link1 (http://www.giesecke.tk/xda/index.php?dir=Radios%2F)--Link2 (http://bitroad.net/download/89b10a36f87cd3338070d83cfb1f73773/Topaz_Radio_4.47.25.13.rar.html)--Link3 (http://rapidshare.com/files/272830215/Topaz_Radio_4.47.25.13.rar)
4.47.25.21-------------Link1 (http://www.giesecke.tk/xda/index.php?dir=Radios%2F)--Link2 (http://bitroad.net/download/00c8f271e5341b4e0afbbaba15a6f4f3b/Topaz_Radio_4.47.25.21.rar.html)--Link3 (http://rapidshare.com/files/272830145/Topaz_Radio_4.47.25.21.rar)------------4.47.25.31-----------Link1 (http://www.giesecke.tk/xda/index.php?dir=Radios%2F)--Link2 (http://bitroad.net/download/57707def8a66eb70ef316a54b4efa0b3c/Topaz_Radio_4.47.25.31.zip.html)--Link3 (http://rapidshare.com/files/272831643/Topaz_Radio_4.47.25.31.zip)
4.48.25.13-------------Link1 (http://www.giesecke.tk/xda/index.php?dir=Radios%2F)--Link2 (http://bitroad.net/download/95f57b87adacd6203c32198049db9d74d/Topaz_Radio_4.48.25.13.rar.html)--Link3 (http://rapidshare.com/files/272831367/Topaz_Radio_4.48.25.13.rar)------------4.48.25.20-----------Link1 (http://www.giesecke.tk/xda/index.php?dir=Radios%2F)--Link2 (http://rapidshare.com/files/282032494/Topaz_Radio_4.48.25.20.rar)--Link3 (http://www.brsbox.com/filebox/down/fc/8194c380177c558647591a32e577b970/rand/65775134)
4.48.25.28-------------Link1 (http://www.giesecke.tk/xda/index.php?dir=Radios%2F)--Link2 (http://rapidshare.com/files/288805196/Radio_4.48.25.28.rar)--Link3 (http://rapidshare.com/files/288801575/Radio_4.48.25.28.rar)------------4.49.25.05-----------Link1 (http://www.giesecke.tk/xda/index.php?dir=Radios%2F)
4.49.25.17-------------Link1 (http://www.giesecke.tk/xda/index.php?dir=Radios%2F)--Link2 (http://netdrg.htc.free.fr/htc/topaz/rom/Topaz_Radio_4.49.25.17.exe)---------------------4.49.25.57-----------Link1 (http://www.giesecke.tk/xda/index.php?dir=Radios%2F)--Link2 (http://rapidshare.com/files/330577547/Topaz_Radio_4.49.25.57.rar)
2.49.25.204-----------Link1 (http://www.giesecke.tk/xda/index.php?dir=Radios%2F)--Link2 (https://docs.google.com/leaf?id=0BwTMFWnxj8h8M2RmYjNiYTktZGVhYi00YTc3LWE1M WItMGFiMWFjZWE0MjA1&hl=en)--Link3 (http://www.multiupload.com/MC70CW199K)------------4.49.25.88-----------Link1 (http://www.giesecke.tk/xda/index.php?dir=Radios%2F)--Link2 (http://htcpedia.com/forum/showthread.php?t=437) Only with Security/CID unlocker
4.49.25.91-------------Link1 (http://www.giesecke.tk/xda/index.php?dir=Radios%2F)--Link2 (http://rapidshare.com/files/347420058/Topaz_Radio_4.49.25.91.rar)--Link3 (http://netload.in/dateiKZZNM8bjYS/Topaz_Radio_4.49.25.91.rar.htm)------------NextRadio------------Link1 (http://www.giesecke.tk/topaz)--Link2 (http://www.giesecke.tk/topaz)

Recommended radio
4.49.25.17 has received good feedback from Germany, Brasil, Hongkong, GreatBritain, Italy, Austria, Netherlands, India, Bulgaria, Singapore, France, China.
4.49.25.57 got as well good feedback. I saw now difference on 4.49.25.88 and it needs CID/Security unlock, because it comes from Rhodium.
2.49.25.204 got some good feedback from Croatia. Some users report problems with Wifi WPA.
4.49.25.91 got good feedback from Europe, Japan, USA. This ROM is my recommendation!

How to flash a radio?
HardSPL (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=520312) your device, then
either
Use included CustomRUU for flashing from your PC
or
Rename radio to TOPAIMG.nbh, copy to your SD-Card, go to bootloader (Reset with VolumeDown pressed)

How to benchmark a radio?
Difficult, we do not have a real good method yet.
Thanks to akirius we have a tool to see Cellar System Available------Cellular System Connected------Signal Strength(percent)------Signal Strength RAW(percent). You can get it from this post (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=4379281&postcount=67).
You can use the FieldTest application. Check the values RRSI 1 or AGC (under WDCMA). Check this post (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=4415860&postcount=110) and the followings to learn more about it.


* Wiki Radio version for Topaz HERE (http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=Topaz_Radio_ROM)


If u found any newest version available , just pm me for an update of this page and the WIKI (http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=Topaz_Radio_ROM)!

BeeGee !

[cyron_at]

Thanks to our new radio chief :-)
Any experiences with 4.47.25.31?

br, Chris

[eatmyshorts]

Lol,

I've just flashed back from 4.47.25.21 to 4.47.25.13 because it wasn't stable for me with O2 Germany in my village... Now there is 4.47.25.31 :eek:

[tom_codon]

Sticked this thread and replace to old thread , sorry not have times update

Cheers guys !

[tuxing]

Thanks for the new .31 radio and new thread
rapidshare link for the same not working

[elmalote]

Edited:

Thanks for the new radio :)

[timsah1]

10. Radio version v 4.47.25.31
Link1 (http://giesecke.tk:8090/privat/topaz_rom/index.php?dir=Radios%2F) Link2 (http://rapidshare.com/files/266547993/Topaz_Radio_4.47.25.31.zip.html)



Hi BeeGee,

The Limit for Link2 (RS) is reached, I reuploaded on RS with my premium account.( no limits)

if you want to change the link, there you go...

http://rapidshare.com/files/266663736/Topaz_Radio_4.47.25.31.zip

cheers,
timsah

[DaBountyHunter]

Yes Link2 is reached.

I've also uploaded 4.47.25.31 on to my premium account because Link 1 was soooo slow 3kb a second ack!

http://rapidshare.com/files/266666258/Topaz_Radio_4.47.25.31.zip.html

No delays on this one pretty fast :)

[Mr Anderson]

Nice, thanks! :)

I'm grinding to a complete halt on the giesecke.tk link at the moment.

[Cruzy2000]

Yes Link2 is reached.

I've also uploaded 4.47.25.31 on to my premium account because Link 1 was soooo slow 3kb a second ack!

http://rapidshare.com/files/266666258/Topaz_Radio_4.47.25.31.zip.html

No delays on this one pretty fast :)

Great job, thanks!

[tuxing]

using .31 radio on TESS 2.0
appears good on short use

[belt001]

Yes Link2 is reached.

I've also uploaded 4.47.25.31 on to my premium account because Link 1 was soooo slow 3kb a second ack!

http://rapidshare.com/files/266666258/Topaz_Radio_4.47.25.31.zip.html

No delays on this one pretty fast :)

Thank you :)

[BeeGee_Tokyo]

Thanks to our new radio chief :-)
Any experiences with 4.47.25.31?

br, Chris

Have it since last nite on my Topaz, so far good, but I am at a special place, maybe not comparable with Europe or US.

Battery drain normal with the TESS 2.0 ROM.

[BeeGee_Tokyo]

Thanks for the new .31 radio and new thread
rapidshare link for the same not working

Sorry, links updated this morning (Japanese time).

All links should be ok now.

[BeeGee_Tokyo]

Hi BeeGee,

The Limit for Link2 (RS) is reached, I reuploaded on RS with my premium account.( no limits)

if you want to change the link, there you go...

http://rapidshare.com/files/266663736/Topaz_Radio_4.47.25.31.zip

cheers,
timsah

Yes Link2 is reached.

I've also uploaded 4.47.25.31 on to my premium account because Link 1 was soooo slow 3kb a second ack!

http://rapidshare.com/files/266666258/Topaz_Radio_4.47.25.31.zip.html

No delays on this one pretty fast :)

Thanks for the mirrors, updated post 1

[jeppe188]

What are the main differences between Radio version v4.47.25.21 and v4.47.25.31?
Does somebody know that?
I'm now using the v4.47.25.21 radio and my battery life is very good.
thank you :)

[BeeGee_Tokyo]

What are the main differences between Radio version v4.47.25.21 and v4.47.25.31?
Does somebody know that?
I'm now using the v4.47.25.21 radio and my battery life is very good.
thank you :)

I was using the .21 and I was happy with receiption quality and battery life.
Testing at the moment the .31 and cannot see any difference.

But I am on Japanese network, so the improvements might be for other regions.

[emile75]

using v4.47.25.31 for one day now. No complaints, good reception, nice battery.

[duongla]

Testing 4.47.25.31 for one day: no significant improvement compared with .21
Recommended radio from 4.47.25.21 for good GPS reception.

[htcd2fan]

Hi,

flashed 4.47.25.31 yesterday (from 3.46.25.18). Using Topaz WM 6.1 Stock ROM (germany).
Provider: (germany) blau.de (using the "e-net", as e-plus and o2)

Having the same issues i had with every 4.X-ROM 'til now. General receiving quality is between "ok" and "bad", sometimes the device loses connection to the provider completely.

Data-connections switch excessively between "3G" "E" "G", causing many data-transfer-pauses and really often connection-losts (even when it shows 2 bars of signal-strength), so i have to reconnect manually.

gps seems fine so far. wlan works as i'm used to it ;)
Battery life (compared to 3.46.25.18) seems better.

nevertheless, it just seems as if the 4.X Radio-ROMs don't play good with a WM6.1 (stock) ROM. At least not for me, causing the same troubles every time.

I'm going back to 3.46.25.18 when i come home later, as this one is a lot better (for me) when it comes to signal quality and keep-alive of data-connections... :)

edit: Interestingly enough, after having posted the above text my device is running well currently. The weather has become better and the overall signal quality seems to be higher - so it seems, that the 4.x radios behave different in poor signal areas.

[Xinot]

Hi,

flashed 4.47.25.31 yesterday (from 3.46.25.18). Using Topaz WM 6.1 Stock ROM (germany).
Provider: (germany) blau.de (using the "e-net", as e-plus and o2)

Having the same issues i had with every 4.X-ROM 'til now. General receiving quality is between "ok" and "bad", sometimes the device loses connection to the provider completely.

Data-connections switch excessively between "3G" "E" "G", causing many data-transfer-pauses and really often connection-losts (even when it shows 2 bars of signal-strength), so i have to reconnect manually.

gps seems fine so far. wlan works as i'm used to it ;)
Battery life (compared to 3.46.25.18) seems better.

nevertheless, it just seems as if the 4.X Radio-ROMs don't play good with a WM6.1 (stock) ROM. At least not for me, causing the same troubles every time.

I'm going back to 3.46.25.18 when i come home later, as this one is a lot better (for me) when it comes to signal quality and keep-alive of data-connections... :)

edit: Interestingly enough, after having posted the above text my device is running well currently. The weather has become better and the overall signal quality seems to be higher - so it seems, that the 4.x radios behave different in poor signal areas.

I have had same behavior. Best radio for me have been 3.46.25.18 with 6.1 here in Finland. Now im running 4.47.25.31 with TESS 2.0 and so far everything seem to work ok.

[BeeGee_Tokyo]

Having the same issues i had with every 4.X-ROM 'til now. General receiving quality is between "ok" and "bad", sometimes the device loses connection to the provider completely.

Data-connections switch excessively between "3G" "E" "G", causing many data-transfer-pauses and really often connection-losts (even when it shows 2 bars of signal-strength), so i have to reconnect manually.

gps seems fine so far. wlan works as i'm used to it ;)
Battery life (compared to 3.46.25.18) seems better.


Have the signal loss in poor signal areas as well, but here in Japan the 4.x radios are working better than the 3.x.


nevertheless, it just seems as if the 4.X Radio-ROMs don't play good with a WM6.1 (stock) ROM. At least not for me, causing the same troubles every time.


I don't know about stock ROM, the original ROM on my phone last only until HardSPL was available :rolleyes:
But since then I am using TESS ROM's and the 4.x radios are better.


I'm going back to 3.46.25.18 when i come home later, as this one is a lot better (for me) when it comes to signal quality and keep-alive of data-connections... :)

edit: Interestingly enough, after having posted the above text my device is running well currently. The weather has become better and the overall signal quality seems to be higher - so it seems, that the 4.x radios behave different in poor signal areas.

I have had same behavior. Best radio for me have been 3.46.25.18 with 6.1 here in Finland. Now im running 4.47.25.31 with TESS 2.0 and so far everything seem to work ok.

My feeling is that the 4.x radios are better in Asia and 3.x radios are better in Europe.

[Tatsch]

Hi, I can confirm that 3.46.25.18 seems to be the best so far with my HTC stock ROM - WM6.1. Used in Germany with e-plus.

Best signal (phone, Wifi, GPS) and good battery life. (Battery life of 3.44.25.27 was a little bit better, but signal worse)

[Bandis710]

I am always using the newest radios and there isn't much difference for me. I almost always have full signal strength, fast GPS and good 3G/HSDPA connection,. I live in the Netherlands and my telco is Vodafone ... Maybe I am just very lucky :p

[ea66]

Just flashed the v 4.47.25.31 and much improvement since .13.
The signal is almost at maximum all the time, the phone stopped losing it every couple of hours, battery is fine.
Didn't check the GPS or 3G [no coverage here] but it's the best version for me... so far.
Using Orange, Poland and EnergyRom v.14 aug.

[brahmanto]

I am in Asia and been using v4.47.25.21 for couple days..
Low signal reception therefor battery drain fast.....
Best so far.. 3.44.25.27...
Someone can package v4.47.25.09 in .nbh file?
I can not flashed with cooked rom.

[BeeGee_Tokyo]

I am in Asia and been using v4.47.25.21 for couple days..
Low signal reception therefor battery drain fast.....
Best so far.. 3.44.25.27...
Someone can package v4.47.25.09 in .nbh file?
I can not flashed with cooked rom.

I can do it for you. Which ROM do you want to have it packed with?

[brahmanto]

Thanks BeeGee...
Now I am using uDK Rom 2.06 Manila 2.1 WM 6.5, but I changed it time to time.
The first post link of the radio is in exe as originally downloaded from HTC, so when I put it into my WM 6.5 ROM, it showed error (forgot what error message).
Just don't want to flash it to original ROM then switch back to udK just to install the radio.
If you can help cook it into nbh so I can flash it into any ROM, would be great.

[BeeGee_Tokyo]

Thanks BeeGee...
Now I am using uDK Rom 2.06 Manila 2.1 WM 6.5, but I changed it time to time.
The first post link of the radio is in exe as originally downloaded from HTC, so when I put it into my WM 6.5 ROM, it showed error (forgot what error message).
Just don't want to flash it to original ROM then switch back to udK just to install the radio.
If you can help cook it into nbh so I can flash it into any ROM, would be great.

That's quite easy.
If you get the radio packed in an .exe file, then you open the .exe file with WinRAR. You will see that there is an .nbh file inside. Just extract the .nbh file and then flash it with CustomRUU.

This time I did it for you, download this RAR file (http://www.giesecke.tk/xda/index.php?dir=Radios%2F&download=Topaz_Radio_4.47.25.09.nbh.rar), extract it and run the CustomRUU.

[brahmanto]

That's quite easy.
If you get the radio packed in an .exe file, then you open the .exe file with WinRAR. You will see that there is an .nbh file inside. Just extract the .nbh file and then flash it with CustomRUU.

This time I did it for you, download this RAR file (http://giesecke.tk:8090/privat/topaz_rom/index.php?dir=Radios%2F&download=Topaz_Radio_4.47.25.09.nbh.rar), extract it and run the CustomRUU.

BeeGee.... Thanks a lot... I didn't know is that simple.

[akirius]

Any one figured out which rom is the best for Tmobile USA?
I am having a horrible reception no matter which rom I try

[-KJ-]

Will I lose my warranty if I flash a new radioversion? Will it improve overall reception, because mine is very poor (radio 3.43.25.19)?

[criszz]

i got 5 days with last radio 4.47.25.31 and tess 1.5 . 74 min talk , minor use, soft reset every 24 hours. Damn , so good combination.

[BeeGee_Tokyo]

Any one figured out which rom is the best for Tmobile USA?
I am having a horrible reception no matter which rom I try

Sorry, no answer for this. I tried to compile the feedback on the different radios to get an overview, but its confusing. Same radio versions from people in the same region seem to behave different.:D

For now you can just try and hope.

[BeeGee_Tokyo]

Will I lose my warranty if I flash a new radioversion? Will it improve overall reception, because mine is very poor (radio 3.43.25.19)?

Yes, flashing the ROM will break your warranty. But you can flash back your original radio version before sending the phone back for repair. In this case I don't think they will find out.

[guide144]

Yes, flashing the ROM will break your warranty. But you can flash back your original radio version before sending the phone back for repair. In this case I don't think they will find out.


To keep warranty, after you restore the original rom. You also need to restore your SPL too. This way, they don't even know it.

:)

[cowonman]

thank you.

[akirius]

Sorry, no answer for this. I tried to compile the feedback on the different radios to get an overview, but its confusing. Same radio versions from people in the same region seem to behave different.:D

For now you can just try and hope.

Thanks for your reply
After doing extensive testing, the only thing I can really conclude is that the radio for TD2 just sucks, period.
however, 3.46.25.18 does seem to work better than 4.xxxx ROMS on tmobile USA

[BeeGee_Tokyo]

Any one figured out which rom is the best for Tmobile USA?
I am having a horrible reception no matter which rom I try

I collected all input from Tom's old thread and from this thread and wrote it down in an excel file.

If anybody else wants a headache as well, check it out :mad:

We need a solution to be able to compare the radios. Any ideas welcome. Anybody knows about other threads having a good solution for this?

[akirius]

I collected all input from Tom's old thread and from this thread and wrote it down in an excel file.

If anybody else wants a headache as well, check it out :mad:

We need a solution to be able to compare the radios. Any ideas welcome. Anybody knows about other threads having a good solution for this?

ご苦労様でした　^^

Is really hard to get an objective measurement on this issue without some kind of software help. For starters, I might be able to write one that pings google and test the quality of connection + test the download speed of an particular file.
For more accurate benchmark, some type of TCP packet analysis might be useful. What we need is a program that can analyze TCP package though things such as TCP Timestamps, as well as testing flow control performance.
Is anyone here experienced with TCP error handling/package acknowledgment?
im not sure about GPS testing since it is too dependent on external factors. Battery life is also hard, if not impossible, to measure accurately
By the way, during ROM testing, i found out that increasing TCP window size does help quite a bit on tmobile EDGE network.

[BeeGee_Tokyo]

ご苦労様でした　^^

Is really hard to get an objective measurement on this issue without some kind of software help. For starters, I might be able to write one that pings google and test the quality of connection + test the download speed of an particular file.
For more accurate benchmark, some type of TCP packet analysis might be useful. What we need is a program that can analyze TCP package though things such as TCP Timestamps, as well as testing flow control performance.
Is anyone here experienced with TCP error handling/package acknowledgment?
im not sure about GPS testing since it is too dependent on external factors. Battery life is also hard, if not impossible, to measure accurately
By the way, during ROM testing, i found out that increasing TCP window size does help quite a bit on tmobile EDGE network.

Maybe one solution would be to use the fieldtest.exe that is available on some devices.
I do not know exactly what data it shows, but my idea would be
to collect signal status over a day and write it into a file for later examination. The fieldtest program gives data for GSM, GPRS, WCDMA, 3G, ...
that might be helpfull to compare signal quality.

[koizinho]

In Portugal i am having really good reception with Radio version v 4.47.25.31.
I used 4.47.25.01 but this one is really better.
Increased GSM signal in one bar and most of the time in two bars.
BT OK.
Wi-Fi OK.

[-KJ-]

To start the fieldtest on a Touch Diamond 2 just "dial":

*#*#364#*#*

[akirius]

I tried fieldtest_157.exe
Is nice, but kind of useless if we cant record and plot the data
I hope somebody can write a capture tool to record the data so we can plot it using excel

[rspillo]

With my old HTC Cruise used the Phone Today and I was good to record the signal GSM:


http://img36.imageshack.us/img36/5649/screenshot5qg81.th.png (http://img36.imageshack.us/i/screenshot5qg81.png/)

I installed it on the Topaz, but it does not work
:(

[BeeGee_Tokyo]

I tried fieldtest_157.exe
Is nice, but kind of useless if we cant record and plot the data
I hope somebody can write a capture tool to record the data so we can plot it using excel

fieldtest can record, at least it is somehow in the menu, but I do not know what it is recording or where it is stored.

You can even set an interval. See on the screenshots.

[paokaras45]

fieldtest can record, at least it is somehow in the menu, but I do not know what it is recording or where it is stored.

You can even set an interval. See on the screenshots.

this just enables refreshing of the values.
try pressing stop an look at the screen

[akirius]

this just enables refreshing of the values.
try pressing stop an look at the screen

^exactly

What we need is a hex viewer that can extract memory data from the phone:)

[akirius]

With my old HTC Cruise used the Phone Today and I was good to record the signal GSM:


http://img36.imageshack.us/img36/5649/screenshot5qg81.th.png (http://img36.imageshack.us/i/screenshot5qg81.png/)

I installed it on the Topaz, but it does not work
:(

WAIT, is that an output file from fieldtest?

[BeeGee_Tokyo]

WAIT, is that an output file from fieldtest?

no, this is a screenshot while fieldtest is running. I misunderstood Start/Stop in the menu. I thought its to write the values into a file.

I do not know if you can start fieldtest with parameters to write the output to a file.

if we could find out what registers fieldtest is reading to produce this screen, it would be not too difficult to write a program which does the same and writes it to a file.

[akirius]

no, this is a screenshot while fieldtest is running. I misunderstood Start/Stop in the menu. I thought its to write the values into a file.

I do not know if you can start fieldtest with parameters to write the output to a file.

if we could find out what registers fieldtest is reading to produce this screen, it would be not too difficult to write a program which does the same and writes it to a file.

No, I was talking about the picture rspillo posted
It has both time and signal strength, which is exactly what we need for statistical analysis

[jonj]

Thanks for your reply
After doing extensive testing, the only thing I can really conclude is that the radio for TD2 just sucks, period.
however, 3.46.25.18 does seem to work better than 4.xxxx ROMS on tmobile USA
Are you able to get 3g on T-Mo US?

[BeeGee_Tokyo]

No, I was talking about the picture rspillo posted
It has both time and signal strength, which is exactly what we need for statistical analysis

This is from the prog Phone Today. I tried it, it runs on my WM 6.1 TESS ROM. I added some more screen shots.

The problem is that Phone Today is not free and it is working only on WM today screen, not with Manila.

I attached some screenshots.

[akirius]

Are you able to get 3g on T-Mo US?

Nop, EDGE only
Even if you have full internet(not web2go), you still will only get EDGE
I have web2go btw

[akirius]

This is from the prog Phone Today. I tried it, it runs on my WM 6.1 TESS ROM. I added some more screen shots.

The problem is that Phone Today is not free and it is working only on WM today screen, not with Manila.

I attached some screenshots.
Oh ok,
that is unfortunate
I will not pay a cent for a simple program like this....
Did some googling and found out that the phone signal strength is stored at HKLM\System\State\Phone\Signal Strength
Will try to write a data logger when I get back

[BeeGee_Tokyo]

Nop, EDGE only
Even if you have full internet(not web2go), you still will only get EDGE
I have web2go btw

I think I found what we need, but now I need a programmer :(

In MSDN (http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa919482.aspx) a datastructure is explained which has the information we need.

typedef struct {
DWORD cbSize;
DWORD dwParams;
int nSignalStrength;
int nMinSignalStrength;
int nMaxSignalStrength;
DWORD dwBitErrorRate;
int nLowSignalStrength;
int nHighSignalStrength;
} RILSIGNALQUALITY;

Someone able to write a small application with

RIL_Initialize
Do
HRESULT RIL_GetSignalQuality( HRIL hRil);
Write HRIL to StorageCard
While forever

or something like this.

[BeeGee_Tokyo]

Oh ok,
that is unfortunate
I will not pay a cent for a simple program like this....
Did some googling and found out that the phone signal strength is stored at HKLM\System\State\Phone\Signal Strength
Will try to write a data logger when I get back

Either this, or can you try to use the data structure I found on MSDN?

[65coupei6]

It would really be hard to find which radio is best. Too many roms change on a weekly basis. It is not only the ROM that effects radio performance but also the build. Plus, the reg files also effect radio performance. Radio affects ROM and ROM affects radio.

Example, I was building my ROM. I used an .rgu from a ATT rom and my phone signal was cutting in and out. So, I edited the .rgu and removed some RIL entries and now it works great.

[BeeGee_Tokyo]

It would really be hard to find which radio is best. Too many roms change on a weekly basis. It is not only the ROM that effects radio performance but also the build. Plus, the reg files also effect radio performance. Radio affects ROM and ROM affects radio.

Example, I was building my ROM. I used an .rgu from a ATT rom and my phone signal was cutting in and out. So, I edited the .rgu and removed some RIL entries and now it works great.

That might be of interest for the US users. Can you post the changes you did? Can they be done in the registry for users or is it only possible while cooking a ROM?

[akirius]

Wrote some code, but cant debug it because I dont have "the latest framework" installed on the debugger...and I have NO idea how to install that on the virtual machine for visual studio; this is the first mobile program i attempted to write
Running it on my phone did not work because the thread terminated by itself for some reason....
All i did was using the "Microsoft.WindowsMobile.Status.SystemState.PhoneSi gnalStrength" function to fetch the data
This should be an easy program, I think i got something really wrong with threading:confused:
Will look into it again tomorrow



using System;
using System.Linq;
using System.Collections.Generic;
using System.ComponentModel;
using System.Data;
using System.Drawing;
using System.Text;
using System.Windows.Forms;
using System.IO;

using System.Threading;
namespace SmartDeviceProject1
{
public partial class Form1 : Form
{


public Form1()
{
InitializeComponent();
}

private void Form1_Load(object sender, EventArgs e)
{

}

private void button1_Click(object sender, EventArgs e)
{

Fetch fetchonce = new Fetch();
Thread newThread = new Thread(fetchonce.DoWork);

if (Start.Text=="Start")
{
Start.Text="Stop";
newThread.Start();
}
else
{
Start.Text="Start";
newThread.Abort();
}
}

public class Fetch
{
public void DoWork()
{
while (true)
{
using (StreamWriter data = new StreamWriter("data.txt"))
{data.WriteLine(Microsoft.WindowsMobile.Status.Sys temState.PhoneSignalStrength.ToString());
}
Thread.Sleep(100);
}
}

}



}
}

[varitimos84]

man, do you know about Greece which Radio is better?
thank you...

[DaBountyHunter]

Been using the new .31 radio for awhile now in London on O2 and have to say it's worse than .21 and .13 ... loses connection after checking email in outlook and at times just keeps dropping to GSM. Fail! Think I'll have to try a better radio for UK.

[BeeGee_Tokyo]

man, do you know about Greece which Radio is better?
thank you...

Sorry, no recommendation for Greece. You have to find out by trying.

[varitimos84]

Sorry, no recommendation for Greece. You have to find out by trying.

ok man....thank you....

[EgorLev]

can report significant battery improvement and overall reception improved since 4.x radio. .31 radio seems to be bit more stable then .21. reception status bar still shows less bars then my "old" Cruise, but I ‘cant say that there is some places were Cruise works, and Dimond2 not. Official RUS rom, Russia St.Petersburg.

[s2t2s]

man, do you know about Greece which Radio is better?
thank you...

Hello. I use the latest radio posted in this thread (4.47.25.31.). For me this is the best radio i have tried. Battery life seems to be almost 2 times better, wifi signal is stronger and i can see more hot spots or wireless adapters in the same locations i used the stock radio (V3.43.25.19). Gps locks VERY fast. Gsm signal is about the same or a little better but i am not sure.
These are the device stats with the first charge with the latest radio:
standby: 79h 3m
talk: 12m
usage: 4h 38m
These stats were taken with battery level at 5%.
I have the stock rom: 1.39.405.2 (47382) wwe, I m from Greece, and i am on Vodafone.

I am currently on my third full charge with this radio and i the battery level is at 35% with:
42h 25m standby,
13m talk,
3h 14m device usage.

Device usage is: wifi for internet browsing, some games (not 3d), photo and some video viewing as well as some mp3.

[akirius]

I implemented a radio rom test tool
It will pull data every 0.5 seconds for from the point when user hit start to the point when user hit stop. The data will be saved to data.txt in root directory, and is listed in the following format

Cellar System Available------Cellular System Connected------Signal Strength(percent)------Signal Strength RAW(percent)

for more information regarding cellular system, see this page...http://www.pluralsight.com/community/blogs/jimw/archive/2007/04/20/46866.aspx


This is an sample output over 2seconds.
8 0 30 46
8 0 30 46
8 0 60 74
8 0 60 74

From what I can tell, 30 percent is about 1 bars, 60 percent is about two bars

Remeber if you want to use this tool to test the connection, you should stay at same place and run this for at least an hour or two to get enough sampling point. You should be able to plug this right into excel and do data analysis
*Note: you can run this in your background


This is more or less just a test of concept, so the program is really simple with no user interface...but it should work, so give it a try
I will add additional functionality as well as user interface if this tool has proven to be useful

[BeeGee_Tokyo]

I implemented a radio rom test tool
It will pull data every 0.5 seconds for from the point when user hit start to the point when user hit stop. The data will be saved to data.txt in root directory, and is listed in the following format

Cellar System Available------Cellular System Connected------Signal Strength(percent)------Signal Strength RAW(percent)

for more information regarding cellular system, see this page...http://www.pluralsight.com/community/blogs/jimw/archive/2007/04/20/46866.aspx


This is an sample output over 2seconds.
8 0 30 46
8 0 30 46
8 0 60 74
8 0 60 74

From what I can tell, 30 percent is about 1 bars, 60 percent is about two bars

Remeber if you want to use this tool to test the connection, you should stay at same place and run this for at least an hour or two to get enough sampling point. You should be able to plug this right into excel and do data analysis



This is more or less just a test of concept, so the program is really simple with no user interface...but it should work, so give it a try
I will add additional functionality as well as user interface if this tool has proven to be useful

Nice, I give it a try. About available and connected, these are bitmask, but which bit is what?

1XRTT - CSD - EDGE - 1XEVDO - EVDV - GPRS - HSDPA - UMTS
Bit 0 - Bit 1 - Bit 2 - Bit 3 - Bit 4 - Bit 5 - Bit 6 - Bit 7

??????

It is not very clear on the website you mentioned.

[katsj]

man, do you know about Greece which Radio is better?
thank you...

I also use the latest version. I live in Larisa. But for a long time now I switched my phone permanently to GSM. Only when I need to try a 3G call or serf the net through 3G I turn 3G on. Since that I never had any problem with the phone's reception.
In my opinion the 3G network of all companies here in Greece is CRAP!!! Its not our Topaz's fault at least not only! I have the same problems with 3G connection with my Nokia too. Everybody in this thread seems to believe Nokias are better on 3G Reception. Have you ever tried to make a 3G call at the same time next to a Nokia with your Topaz? I did!!! Nokia's video frame rate was so awful compared to Topaz!
So I am 100% pleased with my Topaz (and Tess's stable ROMS) that it will take a really long time to change my Topaz for a new one! What we SHOULD do is demand better reception from our telecoms and not from HTC. HTC will release a ROM that will be a lot better than the first ROM but without a good network will never be enough!

[akirius]

Nice, I give it a try. About available and connected, these are bitmask, but which bit is what?

1XRTT - CSD - EDGE - 1XEVDO - EVDV - GPRS - HSDPA - UMTS
Bit 0 - Bit 1 - Bit 2 - Bit 3 - Bit 4 - Bit 5 - Bit 6 - Bit 7

??????

It is not very clear on the website you mentioned.

lolol i dont actually know
it should be really obvious though
i have '0' when i dotn have any data connection and '8' when i have EDGE

UPDATE: I decided that this program is useful enough that is worth making a more polished one
Fixed a bug that limits the amount of data you can save
added a status indicator
and also added in date/time

[Hyena]

Nice, I give it a try. About available and connected, these are bitmask, but which bit is what?

1XRTT - CSD - EDGE - 1XEVDO - EVDV - GPRS - HSDPA - UMTS
Bit 0 - Bit 1 - Bit 2 - Bit 3 - Bit 4 - Bit 5 - Bit 6 - Bit 7

??????

It is not very clear on the website you mentioned.

Just for your statistics:

In Hungary with my service provider, the 4.47.25.31 radio works great (with TESS 2.2 Rom), i think the GPS slightly better than the 4.47.25.21.
After i flashed my phone a few times (mostly with TESS ROMs) i think the radios works better (for me) if i reinstall them after a rom update. ( e.g. the GPS found more sattelites...)

[fozzieb]

Does anyone know which would be best for O2 in the UK?

Cheers.

[nourpon]

hello,

I've test Radio version v 4.47.25.31 for 7 days in France on Bouygues Telecom, it work very good for GSM, 3G and GPS for me.

bye.

[chris5s]

Just updated from .13 to the latest radio here. I'm hoping for an improvement in both phone reception and GPS capability over the last radio so will keep an eye on things over the next day or so (orange uk :) )

[RealZac]

I'm still using 4.47.25.01. This radio ist still the best for me.
(vodafone ger)

btw.:
Tested 4.47.25.09 yesterday - one question: could it be that this radio-rom-update makes the device do a hard reset?
Filename is "RUU_Topaz_hTC_ASIA_WWE_Radio_61.33tc.25.27_4.47.25 .09_Only.exe".

[BeeGee_Tokyo]

btw.:
Tested 4.47.25.09 yesterday - one question: could it be that this radio-rom-update makes the device do a hard reset?
Filename is "RUU_Topaz_hTC_ASIA_WWE_Radio_61.33tc.25.27_4.47.25 .09_Only.exe".

I had the 4.47.25.09 Radio for a while and I had no problems. Where did you download it? I used the one listed on post 1 of this thread.

[lanfriki]

I'm still using 4.47.25.01. This radio ist still the best for me.
(vodafone ger)

btw.:
Tested 4.47.25.09 yesterday - one question: could it be that this radio-rom-update makes the device do a hard reset?
Filename is "RUU_Topaz_hTC_ASIA_WWE_Radio_61.33tc.25.27_4.47.25 .09_Only.exe".

+1

and i had just flashed without checking this post :(

[BeeGee_Tokyo]

+1

and i had just flashed without checking this post :(

Where did you get this radio version from. A warning should be applied. I never had a hard reset when flashing a radio.

[DaBountyHunter]

Also did you use CustomRUU.exe instead of the Topaz one??

[RealZac]

Where did you get this radio version from. A warning should be applied. I never had a hard reset when flashing a radio.

Post #1:
"7. Radio version v 4.47.25.09" -> Link 2
(d/l file name: "Topaz_Radio_4.47.25.09.rar", file inside rar: "RUU_Topaz_hTC_ASIA_WWE_Radio_61.33tc.25.27_4.47.25 .09_Only.exe")

Think there would be no problem if one extract the RUU_*.exe and the use only the *.nbh with custom RUU.

[BeeGee_Tokyo]

Post #1:
"7. Radio version v 4.47.25.09" -> Link 2
(d/l file name: "Topaz_Radio_4.47.25.09.rar", file inside rar: "RUU_Topaz_hTC_ASIA_WWE_Radio_61.33tc.25.27_4.47.25 .09_Only.exe")

Think there would be no problem if one extract the RUU_*.exe and the use only the *.nbh with custom RUU.

OH, I see :eek:

;) Corrected the link. Rapidshare link for 4.47.25.09 is now for a nbh file with customRUU for flashing.:D

Sorry to all that had problems with that :(
I checked the links if the files are complete, but I didn't flash all the radios.

[RealZac]

OH, I see :eek:

Will correct it immediately.

Thank you. ;-)

[jlccarv]

is it possible to flash the radio from an SD card? if so, how exactly?

[BeeGee_Tokyo]

is it possible to flash the radio from an SD card? if so, how exactly?

It is possible. It is the same as for a ROM. You rename the radio .nbh file into TOPAIMG.nbh, copy it to your SD card, go into Bootloader mode by holding volume down while reseting. The Topaz will then flash the radio, and there is no hard reset, your data will not be lost.

[pauln]

To go to bootloader turn the phone off -hold the ON butt- after push ON till hold the voll down ...
The same way to flash another ROM ...rename topaimg.nbh and go planet... shortest time compare with active sync....

[paokaras45]

To go to bootloader turn the phone off -hold the ON butt- after push ON till hold the voll down ...
The same way to flash another ROM ...rename topaimg.nbh and go planet... shortest time compare with active sync....

Actually i had problem flashing a ROM because of the file name.
I had to use capital letters to recognize it (the ROM file).
So for sure, rename it to TOPAIMG.nbh:)

[mvtodoorv]

Been using the new .31 radio for awhile now in London on O2 and have to say it's worse than .21 and .13 ... loses connection after checking email in outlook and at times just keeps dropping to GSM. Fail! Think I'll have to try a better radio for UK.

HI,

do you found the most proper ROM for O2 in UK.
I'm in UK and using O2 as well and just wonder which is the best one.

Thanks,
Miro

[arashi]

New radio 4.48.25.13. Thanks to Udk!
http://rapidshare.com/files/271924408/Topaz_Radio_4.48.25.13.rar
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=GAO8HQRN
Found on Udk's site: http://forum.myppc.it (:

[BeeGee_Tokyo]

New radio 4.48.25.13. Thanks to Udk!
http://rapidshare.com/files/271924408/Topaz_Radio_4.48.25.13.rar
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=GAO8HQRN
Found on Udk's site: http://forum.myppc.it (:

Thanks for the tip. Downloading right now. Test it over the weekend.

[DaBountyHunter]

Not really sure to be honest but I had the .31 rom on my topaz then flash TESS 2.2.1 then flashed the .31 rom again and it seems to be working ok now... Lets see what this new one will bring though...

[RealZac]

Please post your test results in the RADIO thread (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=547276).

Thanks.

I tested 4.48.25.13.
Poor GPS-reception (only 5 sats in google maps). Switches from HSDPA back to 3G at places, where I've had HSDPA before...

I'm back at 4.47.25.01. ;)

[obsydian]

Getting an extra bar (3) where I sit at work and thats normally a dead area, so for signal its good so far, more testing to do.

A question, I ran the RUU and it basically hard reset my device also, I thought radios only soft reset after installation ?

[!Aman!]

it depends upon which RUU do you use. it is possible that the RUU used by you wasn't patched to avoid HR, means it could be the shipped RUU and not custom RUU

[BeeGee_Tokyo]

Getting an extra bar (3) where I sit at work and thats normally a dead area, so for signal its good so far, more testing to do.

A question, I ran the RUU and it basically hard reset my device also, I thought radios only soft reset after installation ?

Second issue with hard reset. It looks like I should open all radio ROM archives and make sure that the correct CustomRUU is included.

[katsj]

At the moment the ROM seems fine! As for the Band dropping from HSDPA to GSM easier that is how is should be since before it was staying at HSDPA when not enough signal was available and you were missing parts of the conversation and the call was dropped! Seems to be the best Radio ROM so far! I tried to make a call in an area that I used to have the Band to Auto and it was receiving low HSDPA signal and I was loosing parts of the conversation till the call was dropped and now the phone drops to GSM without loosing a single word! That is the first Radio ROM that I use with Band set to Auto without dropping calls! HTC got it right this time. The only problem seems to be a bit worse GPS reception but I am not sure yet about that! As for calls WELL DONE HTC, my Topaz finally works fine as a phone and my friend's iphone 3GS seems to have the problem I used to have with all previous ROMS. That is why I believe its not only 3G phones problem but also the low quality 3G networks from the telecoms!

[criszz]

Second issue with hard reset. It looks like I should open all radio ROM archives and make sure that the correct CustomRUU is included.

im used TopazRUUWrapper from Daveshaw. flashed just fine. testing now

[adigraham]

Hey Aman,

Does your latest Rom have the orange uk radio in it? i had a quick look on your rom page but didnt see it? 4.48.25.13?

it depends upon which RUU do you use. it is possible that the RUU used by you wasn't patched to avoid HR, means it could be the shipped RUU and not custom RUU

[!Aman!]

Hey Aman,

Does your latest Rom have the orange uk radio in it? i had a quick look on your rom page but didnt see it? 4.48.25.13?
my ROM never has a radio. i prefer users to decide their own radio version.

[adigraham]

Thx for replying so quick!

So as i understand it, if i put on the right one i could get better coverage etc? I want to try it but i just built my pjone up from installing your latest rom yesterday! Dont want the radio to HR my moby again?

[ea66]

Just flashed the new radio... since 2 hrs I have maximum stable signal strength:eek:
That's just to good to be true... more testing on the way:)

[!Aman!]

Thx for replying so quick!

So as i understand it, if i put on the right one i could get better coverage etc? I want to try it but i just built my pjone up from installing your latest rom yesterday! Dont want the radio to HR my moby again?
just use the customRUU by udK, that won't HR the device.

[!Aman!]

sorry, double post.

[htcd2fan]

Just for my interest: Where do people find new radio-ROMs? I mean - who creates and releases them?

I'm going to test the new one right after i come home in 1,5 hours - maybe this 4.X-release will work fine with a better signal strength...

[adigraham]

Aman, thanks man all installed!

Now getting constant 2 bars @ work which usually drops out from 1 bar so all good!

11. Radio version v 4.48.25.13 thanks to UDK


just use the customRUU by udK, that won't HR the device.

[Fru T Bunn]

Area: UK - IP22 (Diss, Norfolk)
Operator: T-Mobile


Rather un-scientific but I've gone from two blobs to a full house!

Respond back from home tonight (Ipswich, IP2) which is usually a one blob location.

Fru

[BeeGee_Tokyo]

Just for my interest: Where do people find new radio-ROMs? I mean - who creates and releases them?

I'm going to test the new one right after i come home in 1,5 hours - maybe this 4.X-release will work fine with a better signal strength...

The radio ROM's are coming from HTC. I have no idea how they create it. And there is a possibility to influence the radio ROM's thru registry settings, but I have no idea how to do that.

[htcd2fan]

Well, installed 4.48.25.13 and have to say (after ~2 hours of testing). Best Radio so far in my opinion.

Shows more signalstrength than any previous radio i had flashed, data-connections seem to be pretty stable and fast. GPS seems to be as good as always (monitored with iGo 8 R3, GPS-Infoscreen which shows the connected satelites, drove a short trip).

so far, it's looking good. has to show its quality over a longer time at more different locations, but currently it's looking really good... :)

[emile75]

AVIRA signals a DR/Delphi.Gen - Dropper on the Topaz_Radio_4.48.25.13-

[deechte]

On my device (WM6.1) 4.48.25.13 performs much worse than Topaz_Radio_4.47.25.31, unfortunately. :(

[hermes77]

if you want a real mesurement active the fieldtest (*#*#364#*#*) on the diamond2 then look the RRSI 1 in db

put your device on a table , do not touch it or move it then look at the receive strenth meter and you ll be able to see if there is an improvement of the sensitivity
you can run several test with several rom but the most important think is : do not move the device or touch the device just read the rssi1 result and compare
the best the reception is the best the number is near -50
the worst is near - 110

[criszz]

if you want a real mesurement active the fieldtest (*#*#364#*#*) on the diamond2 then look the RRSI 1 in db

put your device on a table , do not touch it or move it then look at the receive strenth meter and you ll be able to see if there is an improvement of the sensitivity
you can run several test with several rom but the most important think is : do not move the device or touch the device just read the rssi1 result and compare
the best the reception is the best the number is near -50
the worst is near - 110

my RSSI 1 is always at 255 dbm :D is that cool ??

[daffie]

my RSSI 1 is always at 255 dbm :D is that cool ??

Mine as well!

[rooibos]

Me too - 255 dbm, what does it mean?

[Fru T Bunn]

Location : UK - IP2, Ipswich, Suffolk
Carrier: T-Mobile

Meh. 1 blob.

RRSI 1 = -91 - not good but then given my location I wasn't expecting miracles.

[hermes77]

if -255 it mean your are under 3G umts coverage ( not gsm)
so you have to go in group ; then WCDMA and look for agc

[Fatamegana]

What is a good value (range) for RSSI 1 or AGC(WCDMA)?? :confused:

[hermes77]

please read the post
my english is so bad ? ok sorry ...

you should read a value between -50 ( the best ) and -110 ( the worst )
but those values are to be compared to old values from another rom at the same place without touching the diamond
it is only for comparison and it is the best way to see the radio signal

so you ll be ready if there is an improvement between an other rom

[hotshiver]

location :Italy - Abruzzo_Penne (PE)
Carrier: Vodafone
RRSI 1 : -74

[adigraham]

location :UK- Oxford
Carrier: Orange
RRSI 1 : -91

[adigraham]

I tried both and they seem almost identical!

On my device (WM6.1) 4.48.25.13 performs much worse than Topaz_Radio_4.47.25.31, unfortunately. :(

[adigraham]

Be good to have the field test instructions on the front page? with the roms?

if you want a real mesurement active the fieldtest (*#*#364#*#*) on the diamond2 then look the RRSI 1 in db

put your device on a table , do not touch it or move it then look at the receive strenth meter and you ll be able to see if there is an improvement of the sensitivity
you can run several test with several rom but the most important think is : do not move the device or touch the device just read the rssi1 result and compare
the best the reception is the best the number is near -50
the worst is near - 110

[losdrivare]

Correct me if I've misunderstood anything, but these values in themselves doesn't say much apart from how far your nearest cell-tower is. The values only become meaningful if you compare different Radio ROMs with the same phone in the same spot.

To post one value for one radio ROM in one location is absolutely meaningless, even for another user in the same city since that other user could have a different distance to the cell tower and thus a different value on the reception.

[pauln]

Here I have RRS -60 -80 max I understand from your posts -50 -110?
I have the best soo far :)

[aalirezaa]

Can someone help me or refer me to a thread how I can change my radio,please?
My current Rom is " udK Leo R1 WM6.5 - Build 21840.5.0.60 - Base v2.08 - Hero UI Manila 2.6 ".

Should I Hard Spl again?
Should I flash my Rom again?

[losdrivare]

Can someone help me or refer me to a thread how I can change my radio,please?
My current Rom is " udK Leo R1 WM6.5 - Build 21840.5.0.60 - Base v2.08 - Hero UI Manila 2.6 ".

Should I Hard Spl again?
Should I flash my Rom again?

No, if you already have hardSPL you don't need to flash it again, hardSPL is write protected and stays on your phone. That's why it's called hardSPL.

Just flash Radio with attached customRUU. You won't lose any data, there will be no hard reset.

[chris5s]

@ aalirezaa : you can use activesync - with your phone connected to the pc via its usb cable - and run the RUUWrapper.exe which will do it automatically (after going thru the standard yes/no process) or you can copy it to an sd card, rename it TOPAIMG.nbh and then reboot holding down the 'volume down' button.
Chose whichever method you used when you flashed the main rom, as you will be familiar with that way - it's just the same, and just as easy.

[akirius]

The 4.48 is much much nicer than 3.46
I ran it through my test software(i posted in earlier page of this post) and this is my result after plotting it with excel:

*note each data point is 1/2 of a second
The 4.48 never dropped below 90%(3 bars) during 20 minutes of data recording http://img29.imageshack.us/img29/7292/448e.png

while 3.46 dropped to 60% (2 bars) twice in 5 minutes
http://img137.imageshack.us/img137/8219/346.png

[BeeGee_Tokyo]

Be good to have the field test instructions on the front page? with the roms?

Good idea - reworked post#1.

[RealZac]

Did a few field tests.

v3.46.25.18 - WCDMA ServingAGC @table: -94dB, @balcony -82dB
v4.47.25.01 - WCDMA ServingAGC @table: -95dB, @balcony -81dB
v4.48.25.13 - WCDMA ServingAGC @table: -97dB, @balcony -82dB

although v3.46.25.18 seems to be better, I'll stay at v4.47.25.01 because of the gps-reception.

[PhilipL]

Hi

You need to check other things to ensure what you are seeing relates to better signal strength.

3G cells breath, this means the signal can rise and fall depending on demand. If demand is high those connecting at the edges of the cell will be dropped or handed over to another cell that is less congested but may be further away so reporting a lower signal.

Also if you are in between the overlap of several cells you can be swapping between different cells every few minutes, with each cell having a different signal strength, this can mean making comparisons between radios and reported signal strength quite random.

You need to ensure when you make the comparisons and/or plot you also record along with that plot the cell ID, only then can you be sure the differences in reported signal strength are to do with the radio and not just because you are connected to a different cell.

In addition those radios that report a lower signal may be the better ones, as they are more sensitive and are able to connect to a weaker cell signal that is preferred if it is less congested and so less prone to dropping you, again it goes back to comparing the cell IDs.

Regards

Phil

[adigraham]

Wicked cheers fella!

Good idea - reworked post#1.

[jeppe188]

The 4.48 is much much nicer than 3.46
I ran it through my test software(i posted in earlier page of this post) and this is my result after plotting it with excel:

*note each data point is 1/2 of a second
The 4.48 never dropped below 90%(3 bars) during 20 minutes of data recording http://img29.imageshack.us/img29/7292/448e.png

while 3.46 dropped to 60% (2 bars) twice in 5 minutes
http://img137.imageshack.us/img137/8219/346.png

Hmm this seems nice. I'm gonna experimenting with your program later :)
Can you do a plot of the 4.47.25.31 radio also? That gives us a good image of the previous radio and the newest one.

[aussie1234]

Firstly thanks to BeeGee Tokyo for this thread and all the other helpful things that he has done.

I am using TESS 2.F ROM (which I personally think is a fantastic ROM) and the latest 4.48.25.13 radio.

I found the clarity a little better and battery life slightly better than the previous radio (UDK).

Thanks for your great work!

Aussie :)

[adigraham]

Same as me mate, can actually get a signal in my g/f house now which is sweet!

Firstly thanks to BeeGee Tokyo for this thread and all the other helpful things that he has done.

I am using TESS 2.F ROM (which I personally think is a fantastic ROM) and the latest 4.48.25.13 radio.

I found the clarity a little better and battery life slightly better than the previous radio (UDK).

Thanks for your great work!

Aussie :)

[ea66]

The latest 4.48 radio has an issue with automatic data connection switch off.
If the phone is set to drop the connection after eg. 1 min of idle time, after about 12 hrs of usage (and some data connection reconnects and drops) it stops dialing voice or data connections.
This does not happen with the 4.47 line.

[BeeGee_Tokyo]

The latest 4.48 radio has an issue with automatic data connection switch off.
If the phone is set to drop the connection after eg. 1 min of idle time, after about 12 hrs of usage (and some data connection reconnects and drops) it stops dialing voice or data connections.
This does not happen with the 4.47 line.

Strange, I have the radio now for several days on my phone and I have set my automatic disconnect to 10 seconds.
Here in Japan ew have push-email by default, so the phone connects often to the Internet and then is disconnected again. But I had no problems with voice or data connections so far.

[uiqjirka]

The latest 4.48 radio is good,GSM and GPS works perfect!

[jlccarv]

Firstly thanks to BeeGee Tokyo for this thread and all the other helpful things that he has done.

I am using TESS 2.F ROM (which I personally think is a fantastic ROM) and the latest 4.48.25.13 radio.

I found the clarity a little better and battery life slightly better than the previous radio (UDK).

Thanks for your great work!

Aussie :)

same combo on my Topaz. working great!

[jeppe188]

It is possible. It is the same as for a ROM. You rename the radio .nbh file into TOPAIMG.nbh, copy it to your SD card, go into Bootloader mode by holding volume down while reseting. The Topaz will then flash the radio, and there is no hard reset, your data will not be lost.

I wanted to test this method of flashing but my bootloader is saying that there is no imagefile. I renamed the 4.48.25.13 radio to TOPAIMG.nbh and copied it then to the root of the sd card.
What is wrong with my method :p

[paokaras45]

I wanted to test this method of flashing but my bootloader is saying that there is no imagefile. I renamed the 4.48.25.13 radio to TOPAIMG.nbh and copied it then to the root of the sd card.
What is wrong with my method :p

Same here!
One day i was able to flash a ROM usin SD card.
Suddenly .... noooo!!!
Don't know what causes this???
Capital OK, SD root OK, format FAT32 ok but.... nooooo!!!!:mad:
Just use CustomRUU for topaz to apply new radio without hard reset.

P.S.: If you try CustomRUU under windows and usb@activesync, it asks for at least 50% battery.
If you connect usb@bootloader... no battery limitation!!! ;)
Just wait after plugging usb to see on the bottom of the screen the "serial" to became "usb" and you are ready.

[jeppe188]

Same here!
One day i was able to flash a ROM usin SD card.
Suddenly .... noooo!!!
Don't know what causes this???
Capital OK, SD root OK, format FAT32 ok but.... nooooo!!!!:mad:
Just use CustomRUU for topaz to apply new radio without hard reset.

P.S.: If you try CustomRUU under windows and usb@activesync, it asks for at least 50% battery.
If you connect usb@bootloader... no battery limitation!!! ;)
Just wait after plugging usb to see on the bottom of the screen the "serial" to became "usb" and you are ready.

Did you make also some energy settings on the sd card? I was thinking of that to be the reason of this..

[paokaras45]

Did you make also some energy settings on the sd card? I was thinking of that to be the reason of this..

No. It's not that.
During bootloader, no user settings are loaded.

[jeppe188]

Hmm maybe we should start a thread about this. If we brick our topaz, we cannot fix it..

[paokaras45]

Hmm maybe we should start a thread about this. If we brick our topaz, we cannot fix it..

Yes we can.
Look at the P.S.in my post above.
Enter bootloader normally, and at then plug usb and wait the "serial" to become "usb" at the bottom. Then run CustomRUU on pc and flash whatever you like.

[jeppe188]

Yes we can.
Look at the P.S.in my post above.
Enter bootloader normally, and at then plug usb and wait the "serial" to become "usb" at the bottom. Then run CustomRUU on pc and flash whatever you like.

I tested it and it worked :)
Its a little bit faster than running the customRUU from windows mobile.
To bad that I can't update from sd card :confused:

[rfbrandao]

I had around 8% better RSSI1 in Brazil using 4.48.25.13:

Country: Brazil
City: São Paulo
Carrier: Claro (unfortunately, there is nothing I can do now about this)

RSSI1 - 4.47.25.31: -66 ~ -70
RSSI1 - 4.48.25.13: -62 ~ -64

Still testing GPS. For my experience, 4.47.25.31 takes longer than .13 and .21 to fix.

Regards.

[chris5s]

Is there any kind of change log available that details the specific changes that were made from radio to radio - i.e. why was a newer version released each time? This might help users to decide if it's worthwhile moving to a new rom. Also might help in choosing a better rom, even if this means going to a 'retrograde' radio rom.

Just a thought.

[slavislavi]

Is there any radio which is not disconnecting when switching from 3G to GSM? All the radios I tried for Polaris and for Topaz are drop connection if I am on the phone. It seems to be irrelevant to my localization.
Already tried all the available for both phones and always is the same.
Always drops regardless of signal level.
Best,

[pauln]

If I understand well you want to switch from 3G to GSM/Edge manually and you don't want to stop your phone.
I don't think you will find a Radio or ROM to made something like this. If you change this setting ALWAYS the radio need to restart with the new setting.

[BeeGee_Tokyo]

Is there any kind of change log available that details the specific changes that were made from radio to radio - i.e. why was a newer version released each time? This might help users to decide if it's worthwhile moving to a new rom. Also might help in choosing a better rom, even if this means going to a 'retrograde' radio rom.

Just a thought.

I have no change log file available. Maybe someone here with connections to HTC can give some details.

It would be at least interesting what the different parts of the version number mean and what the letters mean.

[slavislavi]

If I understand well you want to switch from 3G to GSM/Edge manually and you don't want to stop your phone.

No, I just want to talk without breaking the connection. No manual switching.

[losdrivare]

No, I just want to talk without breaking the connection. No manual switching.

If you set your phone to only use GSM and not 3G then it won't break the connection. I've done this and it works fine. Whenever I want to use internet and need faster data connection then I set it back to Auto.

You can set it in settings/personal/phone/band

[slavislavi]

If you set your phone to only use GSM and not 3G then it won't break the connection. I've done this and it works fine. Whenever I want to use internet and need faster data connection then I set it back to Auto.

You can set it in settings/personal/phone/band

Yes I know, but it is annoying to change frequently. :(

If I am connected to HSDPA, how do I know that someone will just ring me?
Answered a lot of phones as well as many use the Internet.

In other 'normal' phones there is no such problem.

[pauln]

I think when you are in HDSPA and somebody call you, if you answer to speak it will stop the connection...The phone it's not off if you are on HDSPA.

[slavislavi]

I think when you are in HDSPA and somebody call you, if you answer to speak it will stop the connection...The phone it's not off if you are on HDSPA.
Yes Internet connection is suspended on talk time, never mind.

Why during call switches between 3G <-> GSM and drops voice connection? This is problem with all available radios! (I have this with polaris, and topaz)

[slapnutcity]

Since the 4.47.25.21 version and above my phone seems to shut itself down at random times. Reverting back to 4.47.25.13 has resolved this problem for me. Is anyone else experiencing this?

[MBastian]

4.48.25.13 is the first version, which let me charge my battery completely.

I was really excited, to see the green light at the morning ;)

But somehow the battery is "discharged" by -10% at a reboot.
I'm not quite shure if this is connected with the radio version.

[paokaras45]

Same here!
One day i was able to flash a ROM usin SD card.
Suddenly .... noooo!!!
Don't know what causes this???
Capital OK, SD root OK, format FAT32 ok but.... nooooo!!!!:mad:
Just use CustomRUU for topaz to apply new radio without hard reset.

P.S.: If you try CustomRUU under windows and usb@activesync, it asks for at least 50% battery.
If you connect usb@bootloader... no battery limitation!!! ;)
Just wait after plugging usb to see on the bottom of the screen the "serial" to became "usb" and you are ready.

OK!!!!!!
THAT IS F@@@NG WEIRD!!! :eek::eek::eek:
As i told you, i couldn't flash using SD card!!!
At least i thought so!!!:confused::confused::confused:
Right now, i am flashing energys rom (29/8/09 with manila2.5) wising SD METHOD!!!!
The only difference is that the nbh file was already named TOPAIMG.nbh in the rar file downloaded!!!! WTF!!!!

I renamed the files in the past using pc and resco explorer.
I am one step before eat my sd card!!!!:mad::mad::mad::mad:


PS. Sorry for the offtopic but there are some people discussed this issue in this thread before :D

[hermes77]

when you active field test the first screen is GSM

arfcn : is the current channel used
lac : mean local area code (the geographic area where you are currently registred on)
mnc : 3 firts numbers is the country ( 208 is for france) the 2 others is for the provider ( 01 is orange - 10 is SFR - 20 is BOuyGUES Telecom etc etc ...)
rssi : is the Received Signal Strength Indication
ncell info is the second channel ready to take your call after the current channel (the same for other ncell)
you can see here the number of the next channel ready to use

but the most important is RSSI1 which show you the received signal from the tower radio
the number change as you move with your device
- 60 db mean you are in a very good condition to phone someone and you are very near the tower radio
- 90 db is a normal received signal
- 100 db is not so good
- 110 db mean you are going to loose the tower (the signal) because the received signal is not good and your device is going to change the channel because you are going away from the tower radio

of course all those numbers are exemples
it juste mean that the best reception is near the -50 and a "no good" reception is near -110

[hermes77]

if you active the field test to see the 3G
go to the 3G reselection status menu

serving PSC : is the number of the current radio channel you are registred on
uarfcn : is the geographic area where you are registred on
AGC is the received signal in db
num3Gcell : is the number of channel the mobile can see to register on

[hermes77]

but do not forget philipL says :

You need to check other things to ensure what you are seeing relates to better signal strength.

3G cells breath, this means the signal can rise and fall depending on demand. If demand is high those connecting at the edges of the cell will be dropped or handed over to another cell that is less congested but may be further away so reporting a lower signal.

Also if you are in between the overlap of several cells you can be swapping between different cells every few minutes, with each cell having a different signal strength, this can mean making comparisons between radios and reported signal strength quite random.

You need to ensure when you make the comparisons and/or plot you also record along with that plot the cell ID, only then can you be sure the differences in reported signal strength are to do with the radio and not just because you are connected to a different cell.

In addition those radios that report a lower signal may be the better ones, as they are more sensitive and are able to connect to a weaker cell signal that is preferred if it is less congested and so less prone to dropping you, again it goes back to comparing the cell IDs.

Regards

Phil

[guide144]

4.48.25.13 is the first version, which let me charge my battery completely.

I was really excited, to see the green light at the morning ;)

But somehow the battery is "discharged" by -10% at a reboot.
I'm not quite shure if this is connected with the radio version.


I can Confirm about radio 4.48.25.13 is also allow me to fully charged (green light)... however I dont see "discharged" by -10% at a reboot

GPS also good compare to other 4.xx.xx.xx versions.

[adigraham]

Have you found any difference in the gps lag issue with the new radio?I havn't!

I can Confirm about radio 4.48.25.13 is also allow me to fully charged (green light)... however I dont see "discharged" by -10% at a reboot

GPS also good compare to other 4.xx.xx.xx versions.

[chris5s]

The connect time for GPS apps on my phone doesn't seem to be any better under the 4.48 radio. To be honest I haven't found a radio that connects as fast and stable as the original rom that shipped with my phone! Phone signal strength was good on that too.

[guide144]

Have you found any difference in the gps lag issue with the new radio?I havn't!

For GPS lag issue, I'm personaly can't say it's no GPS lag because I only using few PDA device (Touch cruise, Xperia, D2) and most of them hae GPS delay (not sure it's call lag or not) for 1-2 delay.

many time I often edit my GPS registry for make it better even I not see any lag. So I think it ok for everyday use.

:D

[anarchyuk]

but do not forget philipL says :

You need to check other things to ensure what you are seeing relates to better signal strength.

3G cells breath, this means the signal can rise and fall depending on demand. If demand is high those connecting at the edges of the cell will be dropped or handed over to another cell that is less congested but may be further away so reporting a lower signal.

Also if you are in between the overlap of several cells you can be swapping between different cells every few minutes, with each cell having a different signal strength, this can mean making comparisons between radios and reported signal strength quite random.

You need to ensure when you make the comparisons and/or plot you also record along with that plot the cell ID, only then can you be sure the differences in reported signal strength are to do with the radio and not just because you are connected to a different cell.

In addition those radios that report a lower signal may be the better ones, as they are more sensitive and are able to connect to a weaker cell signal that is preferred if it is less congested and so less prone to dropping you, again it goes back to comparing the cell IDs.

Regards

Phil

where do you get your info from, is it a miss match of truths and random made up things? when a cell breathes the trx's do not lower the -dbh at all, the open connection with the handset is either soft handed to the supporting cell or disconnected from the data connection.


and the radios that report a lower signal may be the better ones? the radio's have very little changed in them, the main reason for signal reporting issue on the handsets are how the rom is interpreting what the radio is reporting.

and for handsets being swapped between cells every few mins? have you ever seen a network metrica report and understood it? a normal operation on over lapping cells will show mainly 1 cell unless very highly conjested.

sorry to dampen the spirit but ive worked in telecoms for 10 year.

[PhilipL]

Hi

and for handsets being swapped between cells every few mins? have you ever seen a network metrica report and understood it? a normal operation on over lapping cells will show mainly 1 cell unless very highly conjested.

Not sure I understand you completely. However where I live on 3G and 2G I can swap between cells a few times a minute. This is easily seen using field tools and seeing the cell ID change. Also very amusing if using Google Lattitude as of course my reported position (which is based on cell ID) changes considerably each time :)

I'm sure you know much more than me regarding telecoms and any extra info or myth busting you can give us is appreciated, although I do know a sentence starts with a capital letter :p

I thought some 3G cells had motorised antenna so they could physically shrink the cell size which would cause those on the edges to see reduced signal? Also isn't there more noise when 3G cells become busy that means a lower signal to noise ratio at the terminal?

Regards

Phil

[anarchyuk]

Hi



Not sure I understand you completely. However where I live on 3G and 2G I can swap between cells a few times a minute. This is easily seen using field tools and seeing the cell ID change. Also very amusing if using Google Lattitude as of course my reported position (which is based on cell ID) changes considerably each time :)

I'm sure you know much more than me regarding telecoms and any extra info or myth busting you can give us is appreciated, although I do know a sentence starts with a capital letter :p

I thought some 3G cells had motorised antenna so they could physically shrink the cell size which would cause those on the edges to see reduced signal? Also isn't there more noise when 3G cells become busy that means a lower signal to noise ratio at the terminal?

Regards

Phil

Sorry Phill, I did not realise the kings English and grammar was needed as its a forum and not thesis, Never heard of motorised antennas, and breathing as i said is the cell dropping users who are at a set db away from the site to conserve the normal 2-6 meg bandwidth provided by the local exchange.

Swapping between 2g and 3g constantly means that you are either in low signal and the site is handing you off or the site is very congested, it is not normal operation as when your data has to go through the base controller having the data fragmented like that and having to through-put all of this through to the mobile switching center will cause a very slow Internet connection and dropped calls. The phones that do this the best are nokias, due to nokia being the sole developer of UMTS nodes.

Hope the grammar and punctuation will suffice.

I like myth busting when people "think" fact from fiction makes for good reading.

[Xfantasy]

Which RADIO you recommend on Topaz with WM 6.1 for Czech Vodafone- Edge/GPRS,WiFi

I examine various, and last ,but pass over of no difference sensational.

[BeeGee_Tokyo]

Které RADIO vy doporučit na Topaz s WM 6.1 pro Czech Vodafone-Edge/GPRS,WiFi

Já zkoušet různé, i poslední ,ale nevšiml si žádného rozdílu pocitově.

Sorry, I don't understand. Please try to post in english language.

[LeandroMoreira]

Sorry for my ignorance, but what is a radio update? and this update will perfome any alteration in my phone?:confused:

[cyron_at]

Sorry for my ignorance, but what is a radio update? and this update will perfome any alteration in my phone?:confused:
...a radio update is a new version of your radio.
Radio: Responsible for: Wifi, GSM signal, 3g signal, GPS ...and for the battarie life!

[adigraham]

It may be a good idea to have a brief explanation on the 1st post as i faced the same question when i saw this thread?

[sehtowe]

Hi

I have tried this but it seems to drain my battery, and the phone get's warm when talking for more then 10min.
Anyone else experianced this ?

I'll try 4.47 and see if that works better on my HTC DII(topaz)

Thanx for an exellent forum.

[LeandroMoreira]

When I installed the version 4.48 my battery did not carry until full, and with 4:47 now seems to work. :confused:

[BeeGee_Tokyo]

It may be a good idea to have a brief explanation on the 1st post as i faced the same question when i saw this thread?

Every improvement proposal is welcome!

Post 1 updated.

Thanks for the suggestion.

[jfitzell]

I've used the DumpROM software to extract my current ROM, however as far as I can tell from the RebuildROM software the RAW memory parts do not contain the radio ROM?

For reference, my stock ROM details are below... I've seen the ROM mentioned here and even uploaded, but I haven't seen the Radio anywhere.

CE OS 5.2.21041 (Build 21042.1.6.1)
ROM 1.43.720.2 (51718) WWE
ROM Date 06/15/09
Radio Version 3.44.25.27A
Protocol version 61.25at.25.19U

[BeeGee_Tokyo]

I've used the DumpROM software to extract my current ROM, however as far as I can tell from the RebuildROM software the RAW memory parts do not contain the radio ROM?

Correct. For dumping your radio ROM you need a different solution. It is not that easy than dumping the ROM. Search for Dump Radio on xda-developers and you will find how to do it.

I never tried it by myself, but it seems to be a little bit more complicated and requires some special SW.

[bjfong]

hi beegeetokyo how do i update radio rom? do i need to hardspl first? i tried doing custom ruu but it hangs at 0%. I formatted my sd card to fat32 and tried to update from sd card but it gets stuck in the tricolor mode. pls help

[BeeGee_Tokyo]

hi beegeetokyo how do i update radio rom? do i need to hardspl first? i tried doing custom ruu but it hangs at 0%. I formatted my sd card to fat32 and tried to update from sd card but it gets stuck in the tricolor mode. pls help

You need to HardSPL first, then both methods (CustomRUU and SDCard) will work.

[Tane71]

Thanks alot BeeGee_Tokyo for this very usefull topic !
I finally can improve my Diamond2 radio which was pretty bad with the original one (3.43.25.19 with HTC French ROM). I tried the 4.47.25.31 since 2 days and can say that it's much better :

Small Compare (same places / same conditions) :
With Radio 3.43.25.19 =
. GPS fix ~10 seconds / max 9 satellites
. Recovering GPS signal after losing it ~5 sec'
. Wifi ~2 bars (/4)
. 3G ~3 bars (/4)
. HSDPA (data connection) ~2 bars (/4)
. No stable signal (switching very often between 3G / Edge)
. Bluetooth connection max ~6 meters (with BT handset connected)

With Radio 4.47.25.31 =
. GPS fix ~6 seconds / max 12 satellites (!)
. Recovering GPS signal after losing it ~2 sec'
. Wifi ~4 bars (/4) (!)
. 3G ~4 bars (/4)
. HSDPA (data connection) ~3 bars (/4)
. Signal more stable (no switch between 3G / Edge)
. Bluetooth connection max ~9 meters (with BT handset connected)

Hope it helps...

[Tane71]

[EDIT] Sorry / double posting. Thanks to delete.

[BeeGee_Tokyo]

Thanks alot BeeGee_Tokyo for this very usefull topic !
I finally can improve my Diamond2 radio which was pretty bad with the original one (3.43.25.19 with HTC French ROM). I tried the 4.47.25.31 since 2 days and can say that it's much better :

Thanks Tane for posting your experience. Hope it helps other french users.

[prabhat]

I have current radio version "3.43.25.19" which comes with my TD2.
Want to upgrade to "4.48.25.13" when Official ROM will be availabe for Asia.

Can you all share any good/bad experience with this (4.48.25.13) Radio? As this is the Core where the mobile communicates (Signal Strength or Batery Life or Voice Clarity etc etc...)

[BeeGee_Tokyo]

I have current radio version "3.43.25.19" which comes with my TD2.
Want to upgrade to "4.48.25.13" when Official ROM will be availabe for Asia.

Can you all share any good/bad experience with this (4.48.25.13) Radio? As this is the Core where the mobile communicates (Signal Strength or Batery Life or Voice Clarity etc etc...)

Sorry, for now you have to go thru the posts here.
I did this one time, just before the 4.48..... ROM came out, need to update this. You can find it in post 1 of this thread.
But I am on business trip in China right now, so no time to update the list.

Anyway, its just a collection of feedback, no technical data. There was a lot of discussion here about how to measure the quality of a radio ROM, but no conclusion. :(

[MBastian]

The file Topaz_Radio_4.47.25.01.rar contains the Trojan.Win32.Swisyn.dyg
(\Topaz_Radio_4.47.25.01.rar/CustomRUU.exe/PE_Patch.UPX/UPX)

Concerning all three download locations.

Can anybody confirm?!

[Tane71]

[...]
Small Compare (same places / same conditions) :
With Radio 3.43.25.19 =
. GPS fix ~10 seconds / max 9 satellites
. Recovering GPS signal after losing it ~5 sec'
. Wifi ~2 bars (/4)
. 3G ~3 bars (/4)
. HSDPA (data connection) ~2 bars (/4)
. No stable signal (switching very often between 3G / Edge)
. Bluetooth connection max ~6 meters (with BT handset connected)

With Radio 4.47.25.31 =
. GPS fix ~6 seconds / max 12 satellites (!)
. Recovering GPS signal after losing it ~2 sec'
. Wifi ~4 bars (/4) (!)
. 3G ~4 bars (/4)
. HSDPA (data connection) ~3 bars (/4)
. Signal more stable (no switch between 3G / Edge)
. Bluetooth connection max ~9 meters (with BT handset connected)


Suite: I now test the 4.48.25.13 and I prefer the 4.47.25.13 (following are the compares in the same place / same conditions than before).

With Radio 4.48.25.13 =
. GPS fix ~14 seconds / max 10 satellites :mad:
. Recovering GPS signal after losing it ~6 sec' :mad:
. Wifi ~2 bars (/4) (!) :mad:
. 3G ~4 bars (/4)
. HSDPA (data connection) ~3 bars (/4)
. Signal is switching between 3G / Edge sometimes when I launch a call (not everytimes but anoying anyway)
. Bluetooth connection max ~7 meters (with BT handset connected)
. Battery drain : not enough tested (back to the 4.47.25.13) ;)

[bl4ckb1rd]

Suite: I know test the 4.48.25.13 and I prefer the 4.47.25.13 (following are the compares in the same place / same conditions than before)....

Hi Tane71

big thanks for this excelent comparison
such information is very helpfull.

[syserror]

I tested the 4.48.25.13 in comparison to the 4.47.25.13 and I'm going back to the 4.47.25.14 for sure. Reasons:
- Better reception
- Faster GPS lock (tested both AFTER updating sat. ofcourse)
- Definately better bluetooth

- Most important 4.48.25.13 drains my battery way faster than the 4.47.25.13: After driving for 2 hours with GPS on and calling for about 30 minutes my battery was empty. The 4.47 gave me 1 hour more GPS and about 50 minutes calling.
I couldn't believe it myself so I tested the same situation again yesterday.
Almost same result, a bit shorter calling, but that's probably because used the browser to look up a location the navigate too.

Testing enviroments were ALL the same. Start/end situations, battery, etc. etc. too.

Still can't believe the big difference, anybody another idea why it's that big?

[pauln]

The file Topaz_Radio_4.47.25.01.rar contains the Trojan.Win32.Swisyn.dyg
(\Topaz_Radio_4.47.25.01.rar/CustomRUU.exe/PE_Patch.UPX/UPX)

Concerning all three download locations.

Can anybody confirm?!

The customruu it's the "problem". But it's a fals alarm.
You can copy the .nrg file in to the sd card and flash it from there. Not use customruu.exe

[BeeGee_Tokyo]

The file Topaz_Radio_4.47.25.01.rar contains the Trojan.Win32.Swisyn.dyg
(\Topaz_Radio_4.47.25.01.rar/CustomRUU.exe/PE_Patch.UPX/UPX)

Concerning all three download locations.

Can anybody confirm?!

No virus, false detection. See this post (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=3463996&postcount=1)!

I will change the CustomRUU.exe in the package.

[DeathJester]

Can anybody explain why 4.47.25.31 is 2MB larger than any of the other radio versions? Seems extremely odd. It comes in aat 10.5MB compared to the others which average at just over 8MB. Checked all sources listed, all are the same.

[orik13]

Suite: I now test the 4.48.25.13 and I prefer the 4.47.25.13 (following are the compares in the same place / same conditions than before).

With Radio 4.48.25.13 =
. GPS fix ~14 seconds / max 10 satellites :mad:
. Recovering GPS signal after losing it ~6 sec' :mad:
. Wifi ~2 bars (/4) (!) :mad:
. 3G ~4 bars (/4)
. HSDPA (data connection) ~3 bars (/4)
. Signal is switching between 3G / Edge sometimes when I launch a call (not everytimes but anoying anyway)
. Bluetooth connection max ~7 meters (with BT handset connected)
. Battery drain : not enough tested (back to the 4.47.25.13) ;)

I guess you mean the 4.47.25.31 (and not the 4.47.25.13), right?

[orik13]

Can anybody explain why 4.47.25.31 is 2MB larger than any of the other radio versions? Seems extremely odd. It comes in aat 10.5MB compared to the others which average at just over 8MB. Checked all sources listed, all are the same.



because it's archived with ZIP, and others - with RAR
;)

[BeeGee_Tokyo]

because it's archived with ZIP, and others - with RAR
;)

It is packed as a ZIP file not as a RAR file, That is the reason. If you check the radio.nbh files they are the same size.

[popkid]

Trying to flash latest radio from SD Card, just says "Loading..." and never goes past that

Paul

[TheMelin]

Trying format your microSD card to FAT 32.

[popkid]

Hi, it is FAT32 already.

Tried customRUU too, but that doesn't get past progress bar at 0%

Assume it doesn't just jump 0-100%?

I left it 20 minutes or so

P.

[paokaras45]

Hi, it is FAT32 already.

Tried customRUU too, but that doesn't get past progress bar at 0%

Assume it doesn't just jump 0-100%?

I left it 20 minutes or so

P.

SD method not always work. Not confirmed when and how!!!
As for CustomRUU i suppose you are aware of HardSPL....!!!???

[popkid]

Hi, thanks for your response: I specifically looked to see if Hard SPL was mentioned in this thread before trying the flash btw... perhaps adding that it is necessary to the sticky?,

But that'll be it, I don't have HardSPL installed on this device, I didn't know/realise it was necessary for Radio update only. I don't want to risk putting HSPL on just yet as the phone is still new and under warranty.

Guess I'll have to wait for the official 6.5 and see if that sorts out all the bugs :(

I am still on 3.43.25.19, GPS hangs all the time during navigation, really annoying!

P.

[losdrivare]

Hi, thanks for your response: I specifically looked to see if Hard SPL was mentioned in this thread before trying the flash btw... perhaps adding that it is necessary to the sticky?,

But that'll be it, I don't have HardSPL installed on this device, I didn't know/realise it was necessary for Radio update only. I don't want to risk putting HSPL on just yet as the phone is still new and under warranty.

Guess I'll have to wait for the official 6.5 and see if that sorts out all the bugs :(

I am still on 3.43.25.19, GPS hangs all the time during navigation, really annoying!

P.

You can restore your Topaz to stock SPL if you should need warranty. HardSPL is not irreversible...

[popkid]

Does installing HardSPL require a hard reset?

P.

[japester36]

Applying HardSPL doesn't require a hard reset and is very quick to do.

John

[popkid]

Applying HardSPL doesn't require a hard reset and is very quick to do.

John

Indeed... thanks for the clarification, didn't want to hard reset at the moment! Just installed HardSPL, no problems, no loss of data, thanks guys.
Haven't tried re-flashing radio yet, will report back in a couple of days once I've tried the latest.

P.

[tiwas2]

Any recommendations regarding radio? Still running the stock radio and just flashed to Dutty's R1 ROM.

Cheers!

[adigraham]

Update your profile with carrier / country and we can advise you better ;)

Any recommendations regarding radio? Still running the stock radio and just flashed to Dutty's R1 ROM.

Cheers!

[katsj]

Suite: I now test the 4.48.25.13 and I prefer the 4.47.25.13 (following are the compares in the same place / same conditions than before).

With Radio 4.48.25.13 =
. GPS fix ~14 seconds / max 10 satellites :mad:
. Recovering GPS signal after losing it ~6 sec' :mad:
. Wifi ~2 bars (/4) (!) :mad:
. 3G ~4 bars (/4)
. HSDPA (data connection) ~3 bars (/4)
. Signal is switching between 3G / Edge sometimes when I launch a call (not everytimes but anoying anyway)
. Bluetooth connection max ~7 meters (with BT handset connected)
. Battery drain : not enough tested (back to the 4.47.25.13) ;)

Those measurings is one side of the problem! In my case I could never use my topaz in any of the Radio ROMS available before 4.48 in Auto band mode cause during phone calls I was loosing parts of the conversation and many times my cal was disconnected so I had to use my Topaz in GPRS mode only! After using 4.48 versions of Radio I could complete any call without interruptions in the conversation or dropped calls at all in Auto band mode so for Greece 4.48 Radio ROMS are the only way to go with your Topaz. GPS never lost the signal and it works like a dream even if 4.47 is a bit faster being able to use my Topaz in UMTS mode without dropping calls is more desirable that a few seconds of GPS fix. As for bluetooth I never walk around without my Topaz so 5 meters away from phone is more than enough for me! :)

[nayi]

I need RADIO 3.45.25.21 this is perfect for TURKCELL.
Please help me.

[BeeGee_Tokyo]

I need RADIO 3.45.25.21 this is perfect for TURKCELL.
Please help me.

I cannot extract the radio from the ROM, but it is in RUU_Topaz_HTC_TUR_1.39.468.4_Radio_Signed_Topaz_61 .27t.25.23_3.45.25.21G_Ship.exe
which you can find on my Server (http://www.giesecke.tk/xda/index.php?dir=Official_ROMs%2F) or on the WIKI (http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=Topaz_ROMs_Shipped).

You can flash this Shipped ROM, then any Custom ROM. The Radio of the Shipped ROM will stay on your Topaz even if you flash a Custom ROM afterwards. Of course only if the Custom ROM does not contain a Radio ROM. But 99% of the Custom ROM's do not have a Radio ROM included.

Hope this helps.

[nayi]

thank you for answers.
3.45.25.21 and 3.45.25.21G is not the same. I installed with ROM][WM 6.1][Shipped]RUU_Topaz_hTC_Asia_AUS_1.75.710.2_Ship.exe
tried. 3.45.25.21 to better battery usage time.

i need only 3.45.25.21 because i will test this RADIO with different ROM's.

[jeppe188]

Someone already tested the 4.48.25.20 radio?

[mttca]

Hi there,
Can anyone pls advise, which is the recommended radio for Vietnam - MobiFone network?
Thanks

[draguzet]

Hi !

My TD2 empty battery in 1 hour of talking, from full battery, is this normal ? Jes, low signal, but Ericsson K800i is much much less drain battery ?

ROM is original, no change, and if you have any info which radio ROM for Croatia Vipnet ?

[duongla]

Hi there,
Can anyone pls advise, which is the recommended radio for Vietnam - MobiFone network?
Thanks

For GSM reception, I see no difference between the radio ROM. But for other like GPS, wifi, I recommend radio ROM version from 4.47.25.01 or the latest one which is 4.48.25.20

My Topaz infor:
Age: 4 months
ROM: TESS_V3
Radio: 4.48.25.20
Carrier: Mobifone

[Xinot]

I never had GPS signal inside my apartment before, but now with 4.48.25.20 it gives me 2-5 satellites! :eek:

[Miguel-]

with 4.48.25.13 my gps was found quite fast every time I tested it (well I tested it around 15 times in a moving car and stationary) but with 4.48.25.20 it failed quite a few times (atleast in a moving car).. So now Im with .13 again -time will tell if the gps really works..

[BumAround]

with 4.48.25.13 my gps was found quite fast every time I tested it (well I tested it around 15 times in a moving car and stationary) but with 4.48.25.20 it failed quite a few times (atleast in a moving car).. So now Im with .13 again -time will tell if the gps really works..

your miles may vary. I stick with the 4.47xxxx as the 4.48xxxx has been real battery drainers.

[mttca]

For GSM reception, I see no difference between the radio ROM. But for other like GPS, wifi, I recommend radio ROM version from 4.47.25.01 or the latest one which is 4.48.25.20


I never had GPS signal inside my apartment before, but now with 4.48.25.20 it gives me 2-5 satellites! :eek:

Thanks for your advices.
I just updated the latest version as per your suggestion And to my surprise, Google Maps was able to catch 3-5 GPS satellites in my house :)

[pauln]

4.48.25.20 I flash it right know and test the GPS.
F...k :) I have 5-8 satellites in my shop!!! Nice ...
I hope it will not drain my Topaz :(

[guide144]

Hello from Thailand!

I had flash Radio 4.48.25.20 and Test for few days. I'm found this radio is seem to make GPS finding satellites very fast! However it couldn't lock the satellites as quick as my previous radio (4.47.25.09). Also after GPS is lock... it often lose and reconnect the GPS (for example, while parking and wait for green light, my location seem to jump around..)

for GSM and battery.. it simular to 4.47.25.09.... so I flashback to 4.47.25.09 :D

[The Lazy Slug]

Been trying 4.48.25.20 for the last couple of days on Vodafone in the UK. I listen to internet radio when I walk to work via 3G and found that the signal has been switching back to 2G on a couple of occations.

Switch back to 4.48.25.13 which didn't drop to 2G at all. (GPS seemed better in central London too)

Cheers

[opensea]

hi,
i can make video calls with 3g but when i'm in a 3g area i can't connect to the internet. I deactivate the 3g to E, then i can connect. Is this an radio issue? i'm stiil using the standard radio. Should i update the radio?
Thanks.

[prabhat]

your miles may vary. I stick with the 4.47xxxx as the 4.48xxxx has been real battery drainers.

Which is the best among the 4.47xxxx ?
Thanks.

[prabhat]

Can you please advice me the BEST Radio ROM for my device.

I stay in India and using a 800 GSM Provider. NO 3G here yet, will be available soon.

Here is what I have now:
Windows Mobile 6.1 Professional | CE OS 5.2.21041 (Build 21042.1.6.1).
ROM: 1.39.405.2 (47382) WWE | Rom Date: 04/07/09 | Radio: 3.43.25.19 | TF3D: 2.0.37889.1

My Main Target is:
- Good crystal clear voice during CALL
- Good batery life/talk time
- I use WiFi too.

Least:
- I use EDGE/Data connection occassionaly.
- I Use the Google map/GPS very rearly.

Thanks!!!

[BumAround]

Can you please advice me the BEST Radio ROM for my device.

I stay in India and using a 800 GSM Provider. NO 3G here yet, will be available soon.

Here is what I have now:
Windows Mobile 6.1 Professional | CE OS 5.2.21041 (Build 21042.1.6.1).
ROM: 1.39.405.2 (47382) WWE | Rom Date: 04/07/09 | Radio: 3.43.25.19 | TF3D: 2.0.37889.1

My Main Target is:
- Good crystal clear voice during CALL
- Good batery life/talk time
- I use WiFi too.

Least:
- I use EDGE/Data connection occassionaly.
- I Use the Google map/GPS very rearly.

Thanks!!!

Well, I can't really tell which radio version among the 4.47xx version will suit you the best, you just have to experiment with 4.47.25.01, 4.47.25.13, and 4.47.25.31 to see which one you prefer the best.

Radio ROM is only one part of the equation, the other part will be your network's infrastructure.

I settle with 4.47.25.01 where it works the best for me in overall, however, the guy from London (see above posting) said that 4.48.25.13 works the best for him.

EDIT: On the second thought, I've been using 4.47.25.31 for 3 days now, it's comparable to 4.47.25.01, if you're in Asian region. I'd still stay clear from 4.48.xxx.

[RealZac]

For me 4.47.23.01 works best. Germany/vodafone.

[hoabinh]

For me 4.47.23.01 works best. Germany/vodafone.

4.47.23.01 or 4.47.25.01 my friend? I did'n see 4.47.23.01

[TobiasR]

Tried all the 4.47.xx.xx versions and 4.47.25.09 worked best for me.
But as said already, just flash one, use it for a few days, flash the next one and try if it is any different, as results can vary for each region and provider.

[RealZac]

4.47.23.01 or 4.47.25.01 my friend? I did'n see 4.47.23.01

Sorry. I meant 4.47.25.01. :-)

[BeeGee_Tokyo]

I am using 4.48.25.20 since a week now.

No difference in phone signal compared to older 4.xxx, but much better GPS. Battery drain seems to be the same, acceptable, but that might be because I am on WM 6.1 still.

[ams1234]

Been trying 4.48.25.20 it work great gps is stronger Fm radio stronger to and gsm signal looks to work better :rolleyes:

i think to stay on this one for a wile

[johi69]

Tried all the 4.47.xx.xx versions and 4.47.25.09 worked best for me.
But as said already, just flash one, use it for a few days, flash the next one and try if it is any different, as results can vary for each region and provider.

I confirm it - 4.47.25.09 is the best for me - E-Plus Germany

[Tatsch]

BTW:

All your experiences with a Radio-ROM you report in this thread are useless without mentioning System-ROM-Version and network.

[syserror]

Been trying 4.48.25.20 it work great gps is stronger Fm radio stronger to and gsm signal looks to work better :rolleyes:

i think to stay on this one for a wile


Hey m8! Looks like you're only a couple of streets away from me ;)

Do you use Vodafone? I do use GPS & Radio quite a lot, do you have an "average" profile of your use for me?
Don't think I can get a better profile around here, except from you :)

[prabhat]

Well, I can't really tell which radio version among the 4.47xx version will suit you the best, you just have to experiment with 4.47.25.01, 4.47.25.13, and 4.47.25.31 to see which one you prefer the best.

Radio ROM is only one part of the equation, the other part will be your network's infrastructure.

I settle with 4.47.25.01 where it works the best for me in overall, however, the guy from London (see above posting) said that 4.48.25.13 works the best for him.

EDIT: On the second thought, I've been using 4.47.25.31 for 3 days now, it's comparable to 4.47.25.01, if you're in Asian region. I'd still stay clear from 4.48.xxx.

I have seen many replies with "4.47.25.09" as GOOD, and as you suggest "4.47.25.31"... still not able to decide which one I should :(

Any experience from Asian users here...?

Thanks.

[BumAround]

I have seen many replies with "4.47.25.09" as GOOD, and as you suggest "4.47.25.31"... still not able to decide which one I should :(

Any experience from Asian users here...?

Thanks.

Just try both and decide for yourself. No harm will happen. Flashing radio ROM is so simple.

[xdauser100]

Hi .. Anyone got positive info on upgrade radio rom.. my TD2 was shiped with Ver 3.45.25.21. i seem to have problems keeping strength when phone is stationary and wiifi seems to be weka... thanks in advance

[BeeGee_Tokyo]

Hi .. Anyone got positive info on upgrade radio rom.. my TD2 was shiped with Ver 3.45.25.21. i seem to have problems keeping strength when phone is stationary and wiifi seems to be weka... thanks in advance

I'm sorry, but you have to read thru the posts (use search function to search for Australia). Some users have good experience with 4.47xx, some have good experience with 4.48xx radio ROM's.

At the end you have to test by yourself for the region you life and the needs you have.

[anwar ali]

Hi Guys

Really stupid question Do you have to upgrade radio for a custom rom.

Im from the UK (London) on the Tmobile Network (MDA V) an have never flashed a custom rom before on the topaz.

I know i have to carry out the HSPL before flashing, but do i need to change my the radio as well?

Can some please point me in the right direction as ive searched the forum and had little joy (to much information) all help is deeply appreciated

:confused:

[agent.m]

you dont need to change the radio. but if you flash a rom the radio may change to the one the cook has provided. ps do you know the radio you're using atm? i got compact v and flashed the same day of purchase.

[BeeGee_Tokyo]

Hi Guys

Really stupid question Do you have to upgrade radio for a custom rom.

Im from the UK (London) on the Tmobile Network (MDA V) an have never flashed a custom rom before on the topaz.

I know i have to carry out the HSPL before flashing, but do i need to change my the radio as well?

Can some please point me in the right direction as ive searched the forum and had little joy (to much information) all help is deeply appreciated

:confused:

you dont need to change the radio. but if you flash a rom the radio may change to the one the cook has provided. ps do you know the radio you're using atm? i got compact v and flashed the same day of purchase.

You are right, no need to change the radio if you are happy with the one you got. Most custom ROM's here come without radio ROM.

To find out radio ROM version, go to Settings -> Device Information. ROM, Radio and other info listed there.

[anwar ali]

You are right, no need to change the radio if you are happy with the one you got. Most custom ROM's here come without radio ROM.

To find out radio ROM version, go to Settings -> Device Information. ROM, Radio and other info listed there.

Rom version: 1.40.110.1 (49069) WWE
Rom Date: 04/25/09
Radio version: 3.4325.19

Thank you for the help so far :)

[MBastian]

Does anybody else have an echo problem with phone calls? (I hear my own voice, very slightly but still annoying)

I tried several ROMs but the problem still exists. (Germany, T-Mobile)

[cyron_at]

Does anybody else have an echo problem with phone calls? (I hear my own voice, very slightly but still annoying)

I tried several ROMs but the problem still exists. (Germany, T-Mobile)
..I also noticed this problem with the latest radio.

[BeeGee_Tokyo]

Does anybody else have an echo problem with phone calls? (I hear my own voice, very slightly but still annoying)

I tried several ROMs but the problem still exists. (Germany, T-Mobile)

..I also noticed this problem with the latest radio.

I never had this problem, and I tried all of the radio ROM's.

What OS ROM are you using? Stock T-Mobile or any of the cooked ones? I am using TESS ROM's since ever.

[MBastian]

I never had this problem, and I tried all of the radio ROM's.

What OS ROM are you using? Stock T-Mobile or any of the cooked ones? I am using TESS ROM's since ever.

With the shipped ROM and radio (HTC, German), everything was fine.
Actually all 6.5 ROM an recent radio combinations have an echo.

Does anybody has a link to the 3.43.25.19DE German radio?

I'd like to test a recent 6.5 cooked ROM with the original and possible for Germany optimized radio.

(I've the original HTC ROM 'n radio - how can I extract the radio?)

[BeeGee_Tokyo]

(I've the original HTC ROM 'n radio - how can I extract the radio?)

You have the original HTC ROM radio? In what form? Is it a nb or nbh file?

One way would be to flash the original T-Mobile ROM including the Radio back to your device. Then flash a cooked WM 6.5 ROM over it. The cooked ROM's here usually have no Radio ROM included, so your T-Mobile Radio would stay on your device.

[aDEO]

Wiki updated with new radio: 4.49.25.17 (61.44tc.25.32U)
Download it from the 2nd link.

Cheers

[BeeGee_Tokyo]

Wiki updated with new radio: 4.49.25.17 (61.44tc.25.32U)
Download it from the 2nd link.

Cheers

Thank you, updated Post#1 and put it on BeeGee's Topaz File Mirror (http://www.giesecke.tk/xda/index.php?dir=Radios%2F).

[haranbh]

Just flashed the new radio (4.49.25.17)...
And it's PERFECT !!

Signal bars still on maximum almost all time..
GPS signal strong
Radio loud and clear !!

I think i'll stick to this one forever :D