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Blufires
24th August 2009, 08:13 AM
Others have probably figured this one out, but from my searches I found no other posts.

I am somewhat of an audiophile, and i wished to use the in-ear headphones which came with my Sony Ericsson Walkman W810i (old phone) to listen to music on my universal. unfortunately, these earphones have a 15cm cord, which won't even reach into my front pocket. To fix this issue, I decided to get a handsfree adaptor (why pay ~$5 for a plain old extension cord?). Mine cost ~4.50 AUD on ebay from hong kong, and was originally designed for an iPhone. Many people have assumed that these (plain 1 button + mic + headphones/headphone socket) iPhone headsets will work with the Universal. this is not the case. After pluggin this in with my wonderful sony heaphones I noticed taht the sound was tinny and sounded very washed out. I realised that this was because the ground pin and microphone pin on the universal are in opposite locations to those on the iPhone. The ground wire (feeding the power back from the headphones to the Universal) was going through the microphone first, and it's semi-conducting nature was screwing up the sound. Holding in the button (completely analog, just provides a fully conductive bridge on the mic channel) fixed the problem. So to fix this whole issue, I opened up the case of the headset adaptor (where the mic is) and swapped the wire from the headphone socket ground to the other side of the switch (which connects to the other wire (iPhone mic/Universal ground)) with my soldering iron. It took me only about 5 seconds of soldering and it was done. After snapping the case shut again, the headphones now provide excelent quality for my hardstyle beats:D.

I do have a question still though. On the iPhone (and Universal) the mic pin is grounded to provide a button click. This pauses and plays the music and answers phone calls on the iPhone, and a double click skips to the next song. Does this button answer phone calls on the Universal (I don't have a Universal headset and never have. I think it has a button, but correct me if I'm wrong). Is there any software/driver I can install to let this button pause/play and/or skip tracks in media player/pocket player? This would be very usefull software, and should be easy enough to write if anybody has the skill/desire to make this software (since the microphone is accessible to software, isn't it?). The signal should change from the mic having lots of resistance to having effectively none (showing a constantly high signal for microphone (not wave)). Maybe it could just be programed to run as a hardware button so that other software (such as voice command) can use it.

I'm unsure if this software exists already but I havn't found anything in searches:(.

Thanks for any help you can give regarding this software, and also happy modding to anybody looking to convert an iPhone headset, I hope this info helps.

#Edit#
If the phone uses the headset button as the "green button" then maybe this software is still possible. Call Of Duty 2 for pocket pc uses the green and red buttons as game controlls, which doesn't change to the phone applications.

rajivshahi
8th October 2009, 07:19 AM
Maybe it could just be programed to run as a hardware button so that other software (such as voice command) can use it.

I'm unsure if this software exists already but I havn't found anything in searches:(.



HI the software exist but it didn't work that good for me well search in devs and hack section and you'll find it and it can only function with some other 3rd party music player not WM player..

and yes uni did come with wired headset with button in it just to answer the call nothing more and it might be because uni is old and had wm5 as original rom....

Cheers
Rajiv

-Jonny-
8th October 2009, 11:31 AM
ah that's what the button was for. I never could figure it out, it didn't seem to do anything!

on another note, I got a nice BT headset. Seems a bit agressive, but you could buy a cheap headset that has AVRCP (Audio/Video Remote Control Profile) and rip off the earbuds to be left with the remote control.. :eek: (then again I'm unsure if you're wired headphones would fight with A2DP on the BT headphones, and you may need a way around disabling that)

(or for less agressive, look up AVRCP on dev and hacking and see if anyone has another suggestion).

rajivshahi
8th October 2009, 07:08 PM
on another note, I got a nice BT headset.

hey jonny can you map a program in any key in your motos9 ????

enigma1nz
9th October 2009, 01:07 PM
I use my bluetooth headset and a long press gets me Voice Command, the only difficulty is working it with Pocket Player. I got it setup to work with Voice Command instead of Media Player which I don't use at all, but it only works for starting the music and getting your media selection (album/artist/genre or anything), but once you have your music playing there is no way to make another selection or advance to next or revert to previous. Still... not a bad going, I say.

rajivshahi
9th October 2009, 03:39 PM
I use my bluetooth headset and a long press gets me Voice Command, the only difficulty is working it with Pocket Player. I got it setup to work with Voice Command instead of Media Player which I don't use at all, but it only works for starting the music and getting your media selection (album/artist/genre or anything), but once you have your music playing there is no way to make another selection or advance to next or revert to previous. Still... not a bad going, I say.

thanx a lot dear... that was what i was after... i wanted music control + voice command to be operative from headset... thanx again for valuable information....:D:D:D:D

-Jonny-
9th October 2009, 04:18 PM
hey jonny can you map a program in any key in your motos9 ????

I haven't really tried... mostly because it does exactly what I want :cool:

I have hands-free-phone controls on one side (volume +/- and pick-up call/make call button, can be used with hands-free dialing etc), and media-player controls on the other (next/prev song, play/pause button) (nb, yes, other volume +/- control also controls music volume).

I don't see why not extra mapping if you really wanted it. Perhaps make search on AVRCP.

Hope this helps.

enigma1nz
10th October 2009, 10:33 AM
thanx a lot dear... that was what i was after... i wanted music control + voice command to be operative from headset... thanx again for valuable information....:D:D:D:D

Glad i could help.:)
However, if you don't want your music over bluetooth and prefer it playing over Uni's speakers, there is no problem using BT for commands, it's only becomes problematic when you send audio over BT. Starting programs and apps with Voice Command over BT works fine as well. Doesn't have to be A2DP either, a single mono BT headset works just as well. :D

rajivshahi
10th October 2009, 02:32 PM
Glad i could help.:)
However, if you don't want your music over bluetooth and prefer it playing over Uni's speakers, there is no problem using BT for commands, it's only becomes problematic when you send audio over BT. Starting programs and apps with Voice Command over BT works fine as well. Doesn't have to be A2DP either, a single mono BT headset works just as well. :D

Thanx . i want music... i'm just music freak and watch lots of video... but i also want be able to call my contacts, open programs without taking my uni out using voice Command so i just wanted to map Voice Command into one of buttons so i can leave my uni in my pocket... and for music purpose moto s9 seems to be irresistible...

enigma1nz
10th October 2009, 03:46 PM
Thanx . i want music... i'm just music freak and watch lots of video... but i also want be able to call my contacts, open programs without taking my uni out using voice Command so i just wanted to map Voice Command into one of buttons so i can leave my uni in my pocket... and for music purpose moto s9 seems to be irresistible...

Yep, you can definitely do all that. For me the primary purpose was to get the music going while my Uni is in my bag in the backseat, I just select 'Anything' and Voila!
Basically, a long press will get you a Voice Command prompt, no need to map anything specifically, and you say what it is that you want. I amuse my friends by asking my Uni all sorts of inane questions, like what time it is etc. The worst thing is when I don't have my BT on - the blasted thing reads all my txts and e-mails out loud. So people now send me all sorts of shit on purpose, just so that people around me look at me and my talking bag funny.

rajivshahi
11th October 2009, 06:29 PM
Yep, you can definitely do all that. For me the primary purpose was to get the music going while my Uni is in my bag in the backseat, I just select 'Anything' and Voila!
Basically, a long press will get you a Voice Command prompt, no need to map anything specifically, and you say what it is that you want. I amuse my friends by asking my Uni all sorts of inane questions, like what time it is etc. The worst thing is when I don't have my BT on - the blasted thing reads all my txts and e-mails out loud. So people now send me all sorts of shit on purpose, just so that people around me look at me and my talking bag funny.

Thanx for the lovely advice about the text part... so i should be more careful about the txt and to stop my bag from being a center of attraction .LOL

-Jonny-
12th October 2009, 03:50 PM
rajivshahi, just a thought. the S9's are great, but they don't have a microphone. so only really great for listening to music, or your sat-nav! but answering calls, the Uni must be seomwhere near your mouth!

rajivshahi
12th October 2009, 08:06 PM
rajivshahi, just a thought. the S9's are great, but they don't have a microphone.

Hey Jonny wait a second... i think moto s9 has built in mic... look at the following picture....http://www.balancetrade.com/uploadfiles/s9-1.jpg

-Jonny-
13th October 2009, 11:29 AM
Hey Jonny wait a second... i think moto s9 has built in mic... look at the following picture....

rajivshahi, you're the man! Yes, I looked it up in my little book that came with the S9, and you're right. 6: microphone: used when placing or receiving a calls (embedded inside right ear housing)

I haven't tried a phone call on them/voice command. I will do so. Oh, this makes them my most wanted item... eh, what am I talking about, I own it:D

rajivshahi
13th October 2009, 04:36 PM
I haven't tried a phone call on them/voice command. I will do so. Oh,

ok can you tell me hows the sound quality of the mic... can the other party hear clearly... as its bit far from mouth and embedded inside ear bud.... and would love to know how smoothly voice command runs in it ...:D:D:D:D:D

interestingfellow
13th January 2010, 03:19 AM
I'm making a car cradle for my Uni that uses usb charge, and a 3.5 mm splitter to plug into the car stereo and an ext mic. I have no idea how this will sound with no extra noise correction (I have very loud speakers and a crappy freebe test mic), but I was trying to find the pinouts for the headset jack. the first post in this thread is as close as I could find, and after cross referenceing the iphone headset, the pinout for the Uni is left (tip), right (next ring up), mic(3rd ring up), gnd (closest to the wire coming out). really I'm doing this post so I can find it later; once I confirm this info as true, I'll add it to the wiki with a nice little picture.