XDA - Motorola Droid forum?

[hakeem9]

Just curious whether you folks at XDA will be adding a forum/subforum for the Droid?

[himuraken]

im just guessing this wont happen. this site modify phones by htc only.

[arcsum68]

yeah, like the HTC Palm Treo and the HTC Sony Ericcson X1, like he said

[hakeem9]

yeah, like the HTC Palm Treo and the HTC Sony Ericcson X1, like he said

Actually, pretty sure HTC did manufacture the Xperia. The Treo on the other hand...

Anyway, I think it would be a shame to miss out on the Droid rush. It's going to be the biggest Android phone this year (if not longer) and will probably spawn a whole new wave of development.

[|Jason8|]

HTC did manufacture the X1 and the Treo.

Historically, XDA-Developers has been HTC only. This is really crappy because there are other devices out there that could benefit this community if the forum sections were created. The Motorola Droid is one of them.

[ei8htohms]

Since I just picked one up. :)

[twztdwyz]

im just guessing this wont happen. this site modify phones by htc only.

what bout this one....VERIZON ERIS (http://www.verizonwireless.com/b2c/store/controller?item=phoneFirst&action=viewPhoneDetail&selectedPhoneId=5070)?????

[mer6]

what bout this one....VERIZON ERIS (http://www.verizonwireless.com/b2c/store/controller?item=phoneFirst&action=viewPhoneDetail&selectedPhoneId=5070)?????

That's probably covered under the Hero subforum, since it's basically another CDMA HTC Hero.

[GEN3RIC]

That's probably covered under the Hero subforum, since it's basically another CDMA HTC Hero.
I'm going to be really upset if my favorite XDA devs won't be working on the Droid platform.. I LOVE it and it's the first handset that can handle those crazy ROMs.

[jsg7377]

I just got a Moto Droid the other day over the Eris due to its keyboard and hardware specs...

BUT, the Eris has a much nicer UI (Home Screen, Contacts, Widgets etc) thanks to HTC (as usual)

Because both the devices are Android (however different versions from what I understand), is it possible to get the Widgets and Home screen from the Eris on the Droid??

I am obviously new to Android and have typically been a Windows Mobile user (Used the HTC TouchFlo on the Omnia and what not), and would really like to continue to use HTC's UI's on my Droid.

Do you think this is possible, and if so perhaps this particular topic could be a forum dedicated to it on XDA

[mepet]

I just got a Moto Droid the other day over the Eris due to its keyboard and hardware specs...

BUT, the Eris has a much nicer UI (Home Screen, Contacts, Widgets etc) thanks to HTC (as usual)

Because both the devices are Android (however different versions from what I understand), is it possible to get the Widgets and Home screen from the Eris on the Droid??

I am obviously new to Android and have typically been a Windows Mobile user (Used the HTC TouchFlo on the Omnia and what not), and would really like to continue to use HTC's UI's on my Droid.

Do you think this is possible, and if so perhaps this particular topic could be a forum dedicated to it on XDA

The hero widgets are highly coupled with the framework of the device. Therfore if you wanted to run them they just simply wont work. There is a 3rd party alternative called beautiful widgets for $0.99 cents of the android market.

[gary.lavin]

I have also picked up a Droid and want to see it here, until the Leo comes out this is the Android phone to have.

[Thoraldus]

Ditto! Ditto! Ditto!

[bcromwell]

Agreed, lets hack this phone wide open even if it's not htc!

[nolsen311]

many unique problems for this platform, especially if you really want SenseUI.

Me personally, I'd rather see a Cyanogen build...but we need root first and foremost...and a good recovery img.

[cizake]

Screen capture of Droid Bootloader is here.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/cizake/4087662259/

We are not that far, with the help of XDA team we could get there so fast.

[Ted417]

Just so you all know... Alldroid.org (http://alldroid.org/index.php) supports the Droid... we're also getting clues on how to root it!!!

[Danny_man1990]

I would really like to see a Droid/ any other andorid phone sub forum. this site has the most expansive wealth of information and i feel that having XDA as a resource for Droid users would greatly advance the android platform.

TO XDA: i know you folks only do HTC phones but please, listen to the community so other members can help us out. just so you know all other fourms related to the DROID are disasters!! help we the droid users!

[daveywave]

i second this request! :-)

[orreborre]

Yes please. Expand your views. It's not only HTC thats interesting ;)

[soccerman821]

i would love this cause right now i have to look at 5 different mini sites that has no where near the community of xda. xda please add Motorola droid to the forums.. it cant hurt

[FireSlash]

Put my old faithful Titan to bed for a Droid, +1ing the droid forum request.

I get the feeling the Android general forums are going to get clogged up with Droid related threads otherwise. Given the name confusion (android/droid/droid eris) separating them out would probably be a good thing.

[Bavilo]

I'd also like to see a Droid/Milestone subforum

[hakeem9]

Hook us up XDA!

[tricknasty]

I just returned my Imagio for the droid and im sure glad i did!!

the droid is a killer phone, please XDA support this device!

[silasrye]

Just sold my G1 running cyanogen and moved to Droid.

Awesome phone. Would like to see themes and multitouch though.

So I add my support, but understand this forum is only for HTC so whatever.

[kmetz]

I'd also would be thrilled to see a motorola droid / milestone forum here.

If there are technical reasons to only do support for HTC devices, for example that bootloaders are completely different on non-HTC stuff, I could *somehow* understand that xda might not be the right place.

But certainly there's no 'cultural' reason to not have a droid forum! This device is a magnet for hacking spirit. It would fit perfectly in here.

[ajm144k]

Any mods have an opinion or idea on the possibility of a Droid forum?


(I'd bet a lot that pageviews for XDA would really shoot up...)

[michaelkahl]

I'm a recent Moto Droid owner and would like to seem something like this as well. I understand that this is an HTC site, but is it a big deal to expand? I have a Droid, but have never attempted something such as rooting so I don't want to go this alone.

[taylor310]

I would love to have a droid section added to these forums.

I have loved these forums through having a Tilt and a Fuze, and really don't want to leave this community.

[CrashnBrn]

+1 on the Droid section

[Blind Fashion]

+1 on the Droid section

Yes .

[Beaupedia]

Meh, give it up. I just go to alldroid.org.

[MikLSP]

We're expanding our Android coverage at se-nse.net (http://forums.se-nse.net/index.php?act=idx), while it's primarily a SE forum we will now cover anything Android and hope to build an Android modding community similar to that we currently have for SE.

The forum needs Android developers, modders and cooks and I'm definitely happy to evolve forum sections to suit such development. Come and join and give us a shout here (http://forums.se-nse.net/index.php?showtopic=45276) if you'd like to contribute to projects.

[bleomycin]

I agree, not having a droid sub-forum here is going to be a real hindrance to its development. XDA has no equal and i fear without a forum here the droid won't be going anywhere :(

[gandhisfist]

Would really love to see this community start working on the droid. Droid owners could definitely benefit from the team here a lot. Please open a droid forum.

[ahronzombi]

lets stay away from moto and keep it HTC i like HTC they are more hackable and dev friendly with hardware. I dont see moto selling unlocked sholes phones and offering developer recovery images to play with. If you want a droid get the Eris it has almost the same specs, they are very similar, it also has a better UI, too bad it has no keyboard but we will need to wait for HTC to finish the Dream 2 for that.

[jairomeo]

XDA has a nitch for HTC, just like their are places that specialize in Moto. There are also places that wish to focus on all things android regardless of make like what beau mentioned a few posts above

[victorythagr8]

lets stay away from moto and keep it HTC i like HTC they are more hackable and dev friendly with hardware. I dont see moto selling unlocked sholes phones and offering developer recovery images to play with. If you want a droid get the Eris it has almost the same specs, they are very similar, it also has a better UI, too bad it has no keyboard but we will need to wait for HTC to finish the Dream 2 for that.

Im sorry the Eris don't have close the same spec as the Droid. The Droid uses the OMAP 3430 and uses a Cortex A8 architecture. Droid running on a 550 mhz out performs the 800mhz Samsung Moment which is more powerful than the Eris(hero) because the Moment,hero, and eris all use ARM 11 architecture while the Droid, Iphone, N900, Palm Pre use the Cortex A8. And also the Omap 3430 actually can hold its own against the Snap Dragon. There is a reason why the Droid have so much hype because its right now the first Droid phone that uses the Cortex A8 architecture with the OMAP 3430. And also the has the best screen out of all the android phones since it doubles the resolution of the Hero.

[victorythagr8]

lets stay away from moto and keep it HTC i like HTC they are more hackable and dev friendly with hardware. I dont see moto selling unlocked sholes phones and offering developer recovery images to play with. If you want a droid get the Eris it has almost the same specs, they are very similar, it also has a better UI, too bad it has no keyboard but we will need to wait for HTC to finish the Dream 2 for that.

Im sorry the Eris don't have the same spec as the Droid. The Droid uses the OMAP 3430 and uses a Cortex A8 architecture. Droid running on a 550 mhz out performs the 800mhz Samsung Moment which is more powerful than the Erics(hero) because the Moment,hero, and eris all use ARM 11 architecture while the Droid, Iphone, N900, Palm Pre use the Cortex A8. And also the Omap 3430 actually can hold its own against the Snap Dragon. There is a reason why the Droid have so much hype because its right now the first Droid phone that uses the Cortex A8 architecture with the OMAP 3430. And also the has the best screen out of all the android phones since it doubles the resolution of the Hero.

[victorythagr8]

lets stay away from moto and keep it HTC i like HTC they are more hackable and dev friendly with hardware. I dont see moto selling unlocked sholes phones and offering developer recovery images to play with. If you want a droid get the Eris it has almost the same specs, they are very similar, it also has a better UI, too bad it has no keyboard but we will need to wait for HTC to finish the Dream 2 for that.

Im sorry the Eris don't have the same spec as the Droid. The Droid uses the OMAP 3430 and uses a Cortex A8 architecture. Droid running on a 550 mhz out performs the 800mhz Samsung Moment which is more powerful than the Erics(hero) because the Moment,hero, and eris all use ARM 11 architecture while the Droid, Iphone, N900, Palm Pre use the Cortex A8. And also the Omap 3430 actually can hold its own against the Snap Dragon. There is a reason why the Droid have so much hype because its right now the first Droid phone that uses the Cortex A8 architecture with the OMAP 3430. And also the has the best screen out of all the android phones since it doubles the resolution of the Hero.

[scubasteve4sq]

yes droid forum please

[animere]

I agree with everyone on adding a Droid forum. It's time for xda to open their minds and open the site.

If VZW can open up and allow any CDMA phone XDA should open up as well

[xdarkfirex]

I like to see people are excited about the Droid. It is a good phone. But XDA-Forums is strictly HTC. There is no example of a non HTC built phone which has its own subforum. Is there any particular reason for this. Well "HardSpl" is one thing. The hackibilty of this is a particular htc thing. Its what lets you put custom roms on the phone. Also HTC is a little bit more open then Motorola with developent tools and such.

[salamandar]

Isn't it a bit ironic that XDA, a bastion of open minded free thinking tinkerers, seems to so strongly resist adding a Droid forum? Isn't that a bit close minded?

[teddyearp]

This site is not totally stricly HTC, I've found a thing or two for my Motorola A4500 Napoleon here, but it does seem like they have their 'niche' and those here that want a 'droid' forum may have to look outside this box to find it. I'm still looking as well, it's gotta be out there somewhere . . . .

good luck

Heck, I'm a 'bigwig' at HackTheRazr.com, but that's way old school, just another example of a 'niche' site.

p.s. Ooops, first post!

[Raioneru]

what more can I say, I just switched from T-mobile to Verizon, and got my Motorola Droid.

[stuckonashelf]

you have another wanting a droid forum. i say we keep asking.

[Carter123]

I would also like to see a Droid/Milestone section on XDA!

Come on devs!

[ElCondor]

These are just my thoughts:
If XDA is making a Droid forum, the Droid owners would be very happy, I know.
But if we keep adding forums and forums for other devices, the site would be getting huge.
Other devices, like the (IMO crappy) omnia's and anything else would get a forum too.
The name xda-developers would be wrong because the devices aren't from HTC anymore.
The xda-community wouldn't be a strong community anymore and would get unpersonal more and more. Just like let's say Youtube, members wouldn't recognize each other, because there are simply too much members around.
I like this community how it is at the moment. Adding all different kinds of phones would brake it.
Over half a year, there would be people asking: why not creating a Nokia N97 forum! Or an LG forum!
That's totally wrong.

Just my two cents.

[janus_zero]

I'm for a Droid section too!:cool:

[faeArai]

me, too! xda-dev needs a droid/milestone section

[Bunsen Honeydew]

I am in favor of it as a new droid owner as well. If nothing else, it will unclutter the general android areas a bit where people are discussing the droid anyway.

[mc-paulo]

A Droid/Milestone Section would be fantastic

[Raioneru]

if I may,
I would say that the admin of the forum might take it into consideration.
how about a vote? a vote between the admins would work.
or may be an election (lol) with a minimum USER votes quantity that needs to be reached for the election to be taken into consideration. the admins would then take it into consideration when voting in a 2nd election-admin-allowed-only.
______

a vote would prevent a minor phone of getting its subforum.
only major phones like the Droid will (should?) be, I think, deserve their shot.

I don't know how it is supposed to work between the manufacturers and XDA, if they have any kind of relationship. but if HTC makes it easy for the XDA scene to do their work, and their passion. may be Motorola would (should?) comply too.

but hey i'm just a regular user so, I just hope the admins just take the DROID into consideration.

ps: it's dumb that they didn't keep it as the DROID in europe, I mean the Palm Pre, is the Palm no matter the country you go to, the Iphone is the Iphone.
I don't know, I think it's bad marketing move.

[fadercrusader]

+1 for a specific section...

[niggoland]

1+ for droid/milestone subforum

[Android-Jeck]

That's a really great idea! We really need a Milestone/Droid Section!

[kintrup]

I think I will never come back from android to WM and would enjoy Milestone forum too!

[Edgar_Wibeau]

I'd really be happy to find a droid/milestone section here!
Decent mod images are essential and droid is indeed the most powerful android phone yet. Hope motorola will turn a little (LOT that is) more open while moving from LiMo to Android!

[tr1st4n]

No droid forum, but a Sony Ericsson one?

[blazingwolf]

There is a Moto Droid forum, and many more devices, here: http://androidforums.com/

[GrandMasterB]

There is a Moto Droid forum, and many more devices, here: http://androidforums.com/

I heard its pretty good too ;)

[metallicant]

;4946244']These are just my thoughts:
If XDA is making a Droid forum, the Droid owners would be very happy, I know.
But if we keep adding forums and forums for other devices, the site would be getting huge.
Other devices, like the (IMO crappy) omnia's and anything else would get a forum too.
The name xda-developers would be wrong because the devices aren't from HTC anymore.
The xda-community wouldn't be a strong community anymore and would get unpersonal more and more. Just like let's say Youtube, members wouldn't recognize each other, because there are simply too much members around.
I like this community how it is at the moment. Adding all different kinds of phones would brake it.
Over half a year, there would be people asking: why not creating a Nokia N97 forum! Or an LG forum!
That's totally wrong.

Just my two cents.

Well said. I feel identically the same as you. Also, the Droid is a great phone but once the hype wears off it'll be just another good phone out there. No biggy as we wait patiently for the real real deal, the DRAGON!!

[commandar]

;4946244']These are just my thoughts:
If XDA is making a Droid forum, the Droid owners would be very happy, I know.
But if we keep adding forums and forums for other devices, the site would be getting huge.
Other devices, like the (IMO crappy) omnia's and anything else would get a forum too.
The name xda-developers would be wrong because the devices aren't from HTC anymore.
The xda-community wouldn't be a strong community anymore and would get unpersonal more and more. Just like let's say Youtube, members wouldn't recognize each other, because there are simply too much members around.
I like this community how it is at the moment. Adding all different kinds of phones would brake it.
Over half a year, there would be people asking: why not creating a Nokia N97 forum! Or an LG forum!
That's totally wrong.

Just my two cents.

As somebody who follows Android development rather closely, I could identify people that are active in that area, but if you asked me about people involved in any of the Windows Mobile devices on xda, I'd have no clue whatsoever who they are. Frankly, xda is already too large to 'know' posters outside of whatever section you're personally active in.

[felixm477]

Well said. I feel identically the same as you. Also, the Droid is a great phone but once the hype wears off it'll be just another good phone out there. No biggy as we wait patiently for the real real deal, the DRAGON!!

well if you want to get that technical on the forum name, xda isnt specific to htc alone any pda falls into the acro. i think differently i think the forum focuses too much on the 20 million htc phones where alot of them have very little activity. the forum should simply divide into the 2 categories of winmo and android and sub categorize in each category the phones carying that os making it mostly htc but also include the carrier flagship phones of the same OS the droid deserves a section like it or not especially since its the only 2.0 phone around for now.

[xdarkfirex]

This site is not totally stricly HTC, I've found a thing or two for my Motorola A4500 Napoleon here, but it does seem like they have their 'niche' and those here that want a 'droid' forum may have to look outside this box to find it. I'm still looking as well, it's gotta be out there somewhere . . . .

good luck

Heck, I'm a 'bigwig' at HackTheRazr.com, but that's way old school, just another example of a 'niche' site.

p.s. Ooops, first post!

This site does talk about other phones yes.. In general areas. The sub-forums are STRICTLY for htc phone. (XDA was an early alias for htc phones.) If you want droid discussion go to General- Android Software Development.

No droid forum, but a Sony Ericsson one?

That First Xperia and the HP Ipaqs. and the Palm treo are all Made by HTC, though they are branded by other companies. Since the phones are HTC created, they are elgible for inclusion on this site. There are no exceptions to the rules so far, so stop fishing for them.

well if you want to get that technical on the forum name, xda isnt specific to htc alone any pda falls into the acro. i think differently i think the forum focuses too much on the 20 million htc phones where alot of them have very little activity. the forum should simply divide into the 2 categories of winmo and android and sub categorize in each category the phones carying that os making it mostly htc but also include the carrier flagship phones of the same OS the droid deserves a section like it or not especially since its the only 2.0 phone around for now.

As said in the sites byline. First thing on the front page.

This site is mostly about certain PDA-phones, made by a firm called HTC in Taiwan. They called them 'Wallaby', 'Himalaya', 'Blue Angel', 'Wizard' and 'TyTN', but almost nobody knows them by those names. They are sold through mobile operators that give them their own names. We got our first such phone as 'XDA', hence the name of this site.


So again xda is not synonymous to pda or smartphone just to htc alone.

[galvaliziman]

emmmm if i buy a droir phone...its posible swich the os to a windows mobile???? thanks! and sorry for my poor english

[genejockey]

what

emmmm if i buy a droir phone...its posible swich the os to a windows mobile???? thanks! and sorry for my poor english.

[Raioneru]

that's quite poor, such conservatism...

[johnlgalt]

I heard its pretty good too ;)

Uh huh...

But where can we get Cyanogen Mod's for the DROID?

(BTW, I used you as a referral here, GMB)

[ElCondor]

that's quite poor, such conservatism...

Nothing conservatism, we need to keep xda how it is.
As I said before, if we add a droid forum, everyone would want a forum for his own device, like Omnia's or Nokia's.
They will say: 'Why did you add a Droid forum and not a Nokia forum? That's not fair!'
And there you go, bye bye good community.

[Raioneru]

why not voting? that could be a good idea ^^

[felixm477]

This site does talk about other phones yes.. In general areas. The sub-forums are STRICTLY for htc phone. (XDA was an early alias for htc phones.) If you want droid discussion go to General- Android Software Development.



That First Xperia and the HP Ipaqs. and the Palm treo are all Made by HTC, though they are branded by other companies. Since the phones are HTC created, they are elgible for inclusion on this site. There are no exceptions to the rules so far, so stop fishing for them.



As said in the sites byline. First thing on the front page.



So again xda is not synonymous to pda or smartphone just to htc alone.

go look at the definition of the acronym xda and tell me what it says. again just because an htc phone is called an xda does not mean xda is just htc. xda and pda are basically the same term.

[ElCondor]

go look at the definition of the acronym xda and tell me what it says. again just because an htc phone is called an xda does not mean xda is just htc. xda and pda are basically the same term.

So... and now? I am not very convinced by this argument.
xda is, as your quotation said, a name for the first HTC phones.
Why are you violating him on this argument? It doesn't make any sense to do that.

[felixm477]

;4959953']So... and now? I am not very convinced by this argument.
xda is, as your quotation said, a name for the first HTC phones.
Why are you violating him on this argument? It doesn't make any sense to do that.

because he is saying that since the site is called xda-developers it can only be about htc phones, when infact the acronym xda has been around before that and can be any pda phone. also xda is more a label from tmobile for the first popular htc devices. i believe this site should expand a bit to include the most popular phones aswell. those who complain about the community getting ruined are not willing to get with the times, the community has been way too big already with the 3000000 htc phones and most of the forum sections are dead because the phones are so old they have already moved on to newer devices.

[ElCondor]

because he is saying that since the site is called xda-developers it can only be about htc phones, when infact the acronym xda has been around before that and can be any pda phone. also xda is more a label from tmobile for the first popular htc devices. i believe this site should expand a bit to include the most popular phones aswell. those who complain about the community getting ruined are not willing to get with the times, the community has been way too big already with the 3000000 htc phones and most of the forum sections are dead because the phones are so old they have already moved on to newer devices.

Well the xda-forum is still doing a great job, even though many subforums are dead.
HTC leo, mega, hero, topaz, rhodium, all phones that are pretty new. And I'm sure they'll get many attention in future.

[felixm477]

;4960633']Well the xda-forum is still doing a great job, even though many subforums are dead.
HTC leo, mega, hero, topaz, rhodium, all phones that are pretty new. And I'm sure they'll get many attention in future.

well they should atleast broaden it a bit to handsets such as the droid and samsung moment since those 2 are worth the added support. or at the very least an android-developers sister site

[rainabba]

I've come to appriciate and respect this site and what it represents. To exclude the Droid for being Motorola despite how incredible a phone it is, would be a major disappointment and do nothing but hold back development. By embracing the Droid and pushing its limits as XDA does with most phones, we'd be communicating to the market what we seek. Avoid it focus on inferior phones, and that'll send a message also.

[Raioneru]

I've come to appriciate and respect this site and what it represents. To exclude the Droid for being Motorola despite how incredible a phone it is, would be a major disappointment and do nothing but hold back development. By embracing the Droid and pushing its limits as XDA does with most phones, we'd be communicating to the market what we seek. Avoid it focus on inferior phones, and that'll send a message also.
yeah I agree, it will really help the Droid to become much more popular than it is.
I remember when I bought my HTC touch diamond, and my TOUCh HD, I was so trilled because I knew there was a possibility if I didnt like the Rom to try a new one, and exploit the hardware of the phone to its maximum.

[ElCondor]

well they should atleast broaden it a bit to handsets such as the droid and samsung moment since those 2 are worth the added support. or at the very least an android-developers sister site
Okay an android-developers site would in my opinion be a good solution.

I've come to appriciate and respect this site and what it represents. To exclude the Droid for being Motorola despite how incredible a phone it is, would be a major disappointment and do nothing but hold back development. By embracing the Droid and pushing its limits as XDA does with most phones, we'd be communicating to the market what we seek. Avoid it focus on inferior phones, and that'll send a message also.
It's good to hear you want to keep the xda community up, but I'm wondering whether adding all those phones is a good idea. I think, unlike you said, that the site would grow too big, because we would add more and more devices.
I know exactly how it would go further and further:
First, you people ask for a Droid forum.
Then, there are more and more people asking for several devices.
After that, the side has grown so big that we have to divide the whole site into sections: HTC, Samsung, Blackberry, Palm, iPhone:eek:, etc.
A development&hacking section wouldn't be possible anymore, because we would have specific things that would only work on specific devices.

yeah I agree, it will really help the Droid to become much more popular than it is.
I remember when I bought my HTC touch diamond, and my TOUCh HD, I was so trilled because I knew there was a possibility if I didnt like the Rom to try a new one, and exploit the hardware of the phone to its maximum.
Yeah it's good for the phone's popularity, but hey, that's got nothing to do with us.

[Photopuppet]

I agree that XDA developers should stay HTC only, otherwise the forums will lose focus and get too diluted... there are enough phones in the forum index without having to add additional manufacturers. Where would you stop then? :)

There are plenty of other sites dedicated to Motorola, etc.

[Bunsen Honeydew]

Yeah, less traffic is always better for a website.:rolleyes:

[ElCondor]

I agree that XDA developers should stay HTC only, otherwise the forums will lose focus and get too diluted... there are enough phones in the forum index without having to add additional manufacturers. Where would you stop then? :)
There are plenty of other sites dedicated to Motorola, etc.

Yeah, less traffic is always better for a website.:rolleyes:

Well said both!

[supremeteam256]

They are supporting all android phones over at www.androidoverdrive.com including the droid. Just sign up to be able to view everything.

[Randomocity812]

Alright, so here's my attempt on you guys. First and foremost, I appreciate your help googling, but posting links to android development sites with 0 posts on the moto droid, and about 10 posts on the entirety of the forums helps no one. That said, I have the utmost respect for the hard working developers and programmers on this site, and I do appreciate the hard work that you've all done, but the fact of the matter is, as a development community and especially in the rooting department, we need help. If you dont want to post an all out droid sub-forum, that's fine, but the fact of the matter is, we need the help and you guys are the best for the job.

As a developer/modder, I've done my fair share of opening up various platforms for full usability from the end-user. But I have a new phone now, and a brand new platform that I really dont know, and the fact that senior leadership in the development community is shunning what could be a very large segment of the overall base because they have a rep to uphold is inexcusable. If you dont want to open up a sub-forum, fine, I won't hold it against you, but at least come over to Droid Forums (http://www.droidforums.net) or the Alldroid (http://alldroid.org/viewtopic.php?f=210&t=431) post and give us some help in cracking this thing. I know the community as a whole would greatly appreciate it.

I love my Moto droid just as much as you all love your HTC phones, so would a little help really be so difficult?

[bleomycin]

Alright, so here's my attempt on you guys. First and foremost, I appreciate your help googling, but posting links to android development sites with 0 posts on the moto droid, and about 10 posts on the entirety of the forums helps no one. That said, I have the utmost respect for the hard working developers and programmers on this site, and I do appreciate the hard work that you've all done, but the fact of the matter is, as a development community and especially in the rooting department, we need help. If you dont want to post an all out droid sub-forum, that's fine, but the fact of the matter is, we need the help and you guys are the best for the job.

As a developer/modder, I've done my fair share of opening up various platforms for full usability from the end-user. But I have a new phone now, and a brand new platform that I really dont know, and the fact that senior leadership in the development community is shunning what could be a very large segment of the overall base because they have a rep to uphold is inexcusable. If you dont want to open up a sub-forum, fine, I won't hold it against you, but at least come over to Droid Forums (http://www.droidforums.net) or the Alldroid (http://alldroid.org/viewtopic.php?f=210&t=431) post and give us some help in cracking this thing. I know the community as a whole would greatly appreciate it.

I love my Moto droid just as much as you all love your HTC phones, so would a little help really be so difficult?

bravo, couldn't have said it better myself and i totally agree!

[rainabba]

I agree that XDA developers should stay HTC only, otherwise the forums will lose focus and get too diluted... there are enough phones in the forum index without having to add additional manufacturers. Where would you stop then? :)

There are plenty of other sites dedicated to Motorola, etc.

These replies to this thread are such a contradiction. You people claim to be concerned about the volume and quality of traffic on the site, yet you post useless statements like this (which don't help anybody get anything done) that serve to only spam up the thread, as if the XDA mods couldn't come up with these conclusions on their own.

The OP was asking the mods IF a [sub]forum would be added and from there the thread clearly went the direction of people speaking up that would like to see this happen. The number of people wishing to see it occur is likely THE most important factor in whether it should.

Where does it stop if HTC isn't the only manufacturer?... Where ever it needs to. It didn't stop at the first device and the site has not only survived, but become just about (if not) THE definitive mobile hacking/modding site on the web (English based anyway). What makes you think that opening it up to another manufacturer is somehow going to destroy the site? Get real and stop the drama-queen acts people. :eek:

BTW.... Let me first say that I'm not endorsing the following site, but there is action here that I think has potential and I want to see the Droid rooted so for anyone else interested, and/or willing to contribute even though it's another site: http://alldroid.org/viewtopic.php?f=210&t=431&start=140 It sounds to me like there at least a few, talented engineers with some potential here. Just my mildly educated opinion (enough education in digital electronics through E.V.I.T. and Devry).

[ElCondor]

These replies to this thread are such a contradiction. You people claim to be concerned about the volume and quality of traffic on the site, yet you post useless statements like this (which don't help anybody get anything done) that serve to only spam up the thread, as if the XDA mods couldn't come up with these conclusions on their own.

The OP was asking the mods IF a [sub]forum would be added and from there the thread clearly went the direction of people speaking up that would like to see this happen. The number of people wishing to see it occur is likely THE most important factor in whether it should.

Where does it stop if HTC isn't the only manufacturer?... Where ever it needs to. It didn't stop at the first device and the site has not only survived, but become just about (if not) THE definitive mobile hacking/modding site on the web (English based anyway). What makes you think that opening it up to another manufacturer is somehow going to destroy the site? Get real and stop the drama-queen acts people. :eek:

BTW.... Let me first say that I'm not endorsing the following site, but there is action here that I think has potential and I want to see the Droid rooted so for anyone else interested, and/or willing to contribute even though it's another site: http://alldroid.org/viewtopic.php?f=210&t=431&start=140 It sounds to me like there at least a few, talented engineers with some potential here. Just my mildly educated opinion (enough education in digital electronics through E.V.I.T. and Devry).

Apparently you don't know what 'spamming' means.
We give our opinion, you give yours, there's no reasen to say that ours is spam.
Just found your opinion instead of violating us.
You say that these statements are already known by the mods and they would already have come up with these conclusions on their own.
But what about your 'requests' to make a droid forum, er? Do you think they don't know about the fact that the site would grow when they add more phones?

[Randomocity812]

Both of you, leave the drama at home.

@Rainabba: I dont agree with your first statement, you bitch about the flaming going on here and you go out and flame.

@ElCondor: I'm sorry you were offended, but the fact still remains, you've yet to contribute something useful to this debate other than "ZOMG, the site is going to get too big and diluted." Which in itself is such a logical fallacy that I'm not even going to waste energy refuting it. With each new HTC iteration being different than the last, including their palm and experia models, the site isnt going to be any more diluted than it already is.

I understand where you're coming from, but the argument just doesn't have any logical backing. Care to come up with a better one as to why a phone with an extremely large backing shouldnt be represented on the top mobile hacking/modding site on the web?

[ElCondor]

Both of you, leave the drama at home.

@Rainabba: I dont agree with your first statement, you bitch about the flaming going on here and you go out and flame.

@ElCondor: I'm sorry you were offended, but the fact still remains, you've yet to contribute something useful to this debate other than "ZOMG, the site is going to get too big and diluted." Which in itself is such a logical fallacy that I'm not even going to waste energy refuting it. With each new HTC iteration being different than the last, including their palm and experia models, the site isnt going to be any more diluted than it already is.

I understand where you're coming from, but the argument just doesn't have any logical backing. Care to come up with a better one as to why a phone with an extremely large backing shouldnt be represented on the top mobile hacking/modding site on the web?

I'm sorry but to avoid possible PM's I do not comment anymore.
Actually your quotation is from another user. Not from me, but I agreed with him.

[Randomocity812]

;4956190']Nothing conservatism, we need to keep xda how it is.
As I said before, if we add a droid forum, everyone would want a forum for his own device, like Omnia's or Nokia's.
They will say: 'Why did you add a Droid forum and not a Nokia forum? That's not fair!'
And there you go, bye bye good community.

My apologies for targeting you directly, but I saw a few of your posts in this particular thread, and I had to point out the fallacies in all of your statements. They're called the slippery slope fallacy and you're apparently quite good with it.

The fact still remains, there hasn't been a single logical piece of evidence as to why a droid sub-forum should not exist here. When you have 258,000 active members, dilution is no longer a legitimate excuse.

So, who's up to the challenge?

Give me a good reason why we shouldn't be here.

Mods?

Anyone?

[xdarkfirex]

The question isn't if there is a good reason why the Droid shouldn't be here?

The question is will the Owners change their rules just for the Droid?

Most of the arguments state the popularity of the Droid as one reason to put it here. I counter that with the iPhone being popular should it have a sub-forum here as well.

Another argument is they should be covering all android phones. I counter that with at the rate android phones come out should all of them get a sub-forum. (The If we change for one, we change for all argument)

I believe this whole issue stems from HTC being the makers of the Android Development Phones(ADP) and also the the first manufacture of android phones on the market. XDA-Developers has a long history of being HTC first. There have been projects of loading Openmoko on htc phones. debian on htc phones and other things. When HTC release the Dream/G1 it was just natural of an HTC site to work on this HTC device. It running android was 2nd to it being HTC. This put alot of developers behind android. The comes the other devices. The Chinese Sciphone, Samsungs device, and now the Droid. If were doing the solely on popularity the Sciphone has a better chance then the droid. (china is just a way bigger audience then America is) But that didn't happen. Why? Most of the Developers here have only worked on HTC devices and have an intimate understanding on how htc hardware works how HTC builds their bootloader(SPL-what allows you to add custom roms) It will take a lot of time to learn the new hardware scheme and bring it up to the level that all the other htc devices have.

What I am saying is you guys are asking for a huge Paradigm shift. HTC is just to much ingrained on the fabric of the develpers. Despite its "XDA" name, as I said before was in reference of the O2's XDA branding htc phones(to be fair it coverd more than htc phones but the first XDA and the only one to carry the plain XDA name http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/O2_Xda is an htc phone), this site purpose, not preference was to work on htc phones.

Good luck you owners of the droid's on rooting and modding your phone. This section of the forum the General Android Section your welcome to talk about anything Droid. A sub-forum for a non htc device as I see is not happening anytime in the near future.

[gary.lavin]

I am a big HTC fan, I still have my Uni and will get the Leo as soon as an Android versions ships. However right now the Droid is the best device available. If you use one you will agree that it is worth including here but don't compare it to other non HTC inferior devices. And if something else that is non HTC comes along that is better than the Droid or Leo it should be included too!

[supremeteam256]

People have already talked to flar personally about this and she said it was not going to be an option cause it's not a htc phone.

[salamandar]

This is really disappointing, I do not know who flar is (could care less) but I think that kind of zero consideration closed minded attitude just plain sucks, think i need to go peruse some sites less insular and more open minded.

Just to re-iterate, in case my point wasn't clear... get off your goddamn pedestals, change is good, forces a narrow mind a bit wider. Oops, did I offend? Welp anyone who knows my posting style knows I do not suffer fools gladly.

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OK Discuss, flame, whatever....

[velazcod]

coming soon...
http://droid-developers.com/

supporting EVERY android device out there

[supremeteam256]

This is really disappointing, I do not know who flar is (could care less) but I think that kind of zero consideration closed minded attitude just plain sucks, think i need to go peruse some sites less insular and more open minded.

Just to re-iterate, in case my point wasn't clear... get off your goddamn pedestals, change is good, forces a narrow mind a bit wider. Oops, did I offend? Welp anyone who knows my posting style knows I do not suffer fools gladly.

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OK Discuss, flame, whatever....

Flar is the owner of XDA. She made it clear awhile back to us that no other phone will be put on here unless it's HTC. But we are trying to add as much droid stuff over at www.androidoverdrive.com.

[hakeem9]

I'm really curious what the actual rationale is behind only supporting HTC phones. Is it really relevant for example that the Treo 650 is 'technically' manufactured by HTC? It runs a unique OS and really has nothing else comparable to any other HTC phone, and is not even branded HTC in any way. Shit, I consider myself very phone savvy and until about a week ago had no idea that HTC even manufactured the Treo. Point is, is the manufacturer really relevant?

I'm kind of over the Droid discussion at this point, but I'm really lost on the logic here in general. I know this is flar's site and she can do whatever she wants; I get it, I respect it, I just wish I understood it.

[supremeteam256]

I'm really curious what the actual rationale is behind only supporting HTC phones. Is it really relevant for example that the Treo 650 is 'technically' manufactured by HTC? It runs a unique OS and really has nothing else comparable to any other HTC phone, and is not even branded HTC in any way. Shit, I consider myself very phone savvy and until about a week ago had no idea that HTC even manufactured the Treo. Point is, is the manufacturer really relevant?

I'm kind of over the Droid discussion at this point, but I'm really lost on the logic here in general. I know this is flar's site and she can do whatever she wants; I get it, I respect it, I just wish I understood it.

I can't remember what the reasoning behind it was. I'll get codani up to tell me, he had the discussion with her.

[crpercodani]

It has been pointed out the the bootloader/spl is much more open on HTC phones and that is one reason. People have begged and pleaded many many times before to get subforums for non HTC devices and it NEVER happens. I have a Droid and I love it, but I'm not gonna waste my time here asking for something that won't happen. You can ask for reasons all day but they won't help because Flar owns XDA and she has made it very clear it will not happen. If you wanna be a part of a open forum then check out www.androidoverdrive.com

[forceshield]

It's sad to me that I have to come here and keep checking this thread every few days. From the first day I had my G1 I spent multiple times per day, every day checking the updates for G1's up and comings. I switched to a better phone, the Droid. Now I check once every few days, now that I realize the Mods would of created a forum by now if they wanted one, it would of been here already. One day hopefully a superior HTC Phone will come out with features that are vital to me, and I can jump back on board here. Enjoyed this place tremendously and donated several times, while it was useful to me.

[najjannaj]

Vote for a Droid/Milestone section!

[supremeteam256]

Vote for a Droid/Milestone section!


Not gonna happen.

[marm0lade]

I wandered over here from the engadget blog and started reading some threads because I was feeling nostalgic. And now I remember why I stopped visiting this forum. The elitist attitudes.

And I'm really not sure why. Why is XDA committed to HTC-only devices? Do the powers-that-be that run XDA really think all of HTC's handsets are the best the smartphone world has to offer? Can they be that naive? I doubt it. Is there some underlying reason? Otherwise it just does not make sense.

The last graph in this article (http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/11/23/apple-and-android-now-make-up-75-percent-of-u-s-mobile-web-traffic/) shows droid has 24% of the android market now. It came out 2 and a half weeks ago. Gaining that much market share in 2.5 weeks is incredible. It is clearly, and easily, going to pass the beloved HTC Dream to become the most popular Anroid device. And XDA is going to completey ignore the largest segment of android users. Well, not completely ignore. They get a generalized Android forum. Good thing devices like the Pharos and Rose have their own dedicated forums though. They are so popular.

The last time I checked, the content on this site is community driven. It is a forum, after all. The XDA admins would be wise to keep this in mind. If your community drives your content it is usually a good idea to support your community, especially when they are asking for something as reasonable as supporting the soon-to-be most popular android handset.

If there is a legitimate reason XDA can not host a forum dedicated to the moto droid, I think the users deserve to have this known to them. The support for it is obviously there. Is there some kind of deal with HTC that protects XDA from litigation for hacking HTC code? Has XDA been warned by other handset manufacturers not to host forums for their devices? Otherwise, XDA needs to realize that HTC is not the only player in the smartphone market anymore, and this includes europe. Since the iphone has opened up to any carrier in europe it has steadily been leeching marketshare. I know this is irrelevant to XDA because their OS is strictly closed, but it serves as a good example. There are going to be other devices besides the iphone that do well in europe. I expect the droid to do well and I expect many other non-HTC droid devices to do very well also. It would be only logical for XDA to expand it's horizons. What gives?

[jairomeo]

There are other Android based forums that focus on strictly Android, and are even working on rooting it, like alldroid.org, XDA is for HTC and it has worked very well for them. Why would they screw with the success they've had?

[prince.siraj]

It has been pointed out the the bootloader/spl is much more open on HTC phones and that is one reason. People have begged and pleaded many many times before to get subforums for non HTC devices and it NEVER happens. I have a Droid and I love it, but I'm not gonna waste my time here asking for something that won't happen. You can ask for reasons all day but they won't help because Flar owns XDA and she has made it very clear it will not happen. If you wanna be a part of a open forum then check out www.androidoverdrive.com

Wow was that started like last week? Pretty cool

[bleomycin]

I'm so concerned about the future of the droid because of the lack of support from XDA that im getting ready to return it outright in the hopes that the passion is released for verizon sooner rather than later. I paid an early termination fee to cancel my sprint contract to switch over to the droid and cancelled my long standing pre-order for the N900 which is something i had been waiting years for. That's how impressed with the droid i was.

The one and only reason im considering the passion at all is because the support of this forum. It sucks moving to an inferior device for my needs but the trade off in hackability will be worth it im hoping. There is just no way the droid is going to be able to get a strong hacking effort off the ground with everyone spread across all these different forums, as it is i'm forced to follow 5 forums just for the droid and things aren't going anywhere fast :( This is not going to be the G1, version 2.0

[iPhone iWing]

i hate to say it, but you all that grabbed the droid are really impatient. you just need to wait. HTC is more then bound to throw another android device out. They love whats hot and will make one for the consumers. Moto has nothing. they have only made 2 devices that are running on a hair off the chin. I have no patients for moto. The only ones i will watch for are, of course HTC, Samsung and Sony. They are the main ones to take pride in performance and true hardware quality. HTC will bring out many many more. They will always have money to spend on development because a lot love wmb and a lot love android. Wait!! The future of android has barely yet birth. It is the becoming of a dawn of linux support.

[dopeless]

You know... i have owned pretty many HTC devices. Beginning from Prophet. I can not say i was totally happy with any HTC device. I wanted to buy me something from Nokia, but Droid came to the market. And you know... it made the difference. I'm using this phone since last week and I'm happy with it. I don't want HTC any more.

[cellulararrest]

We just raised enough money over at Alldroid.org to take apart a droid for exploration into rooting it. There most likely is access to a root shell.

Stay tuned over there and stop hounding these guys to add the Droid to their ranks. It isn't going to happen.

And stay tuned to the developer Wiki http://wiki.droid-devs.com/index.php?title=Main_Page

[synaptyc]

I like how PPCGeeks.com has their forum split into sides based on the native build of the phone. IE: WinMO devices and Android devices.
Their site is very nice now... many improvements lately.
My 2 cents.

[synaptyc]

(deleted due to double post)

[bleomycin]

Has anyone noticed that alldroid.org doesnt exist anymore? Seemingly in time with the donations to the hacking effort meeting its goal of $425? skeeeeeetchy!

[rainabba]

Has anyone noticed that alldroid.org doesnt exist anymore? Seemingly in time with the donations to the hacking effort meeting its goal of $425? skeeeeeetchy!

Man, your info is all that's sketchy. AllDroid.org hasn't gone anywhere. I JUST refreshed the page I've been following for days and the site is definately still there.

http://alldroid.org/viewtopic.php?f=210&t=431&start=230

[rainabba]

i hate to say it, but you all that grabbed the droid are really impatient. you just need to wait. HTC is more then bound to throw another android device out. They love whats hot and will make one for the consumers. Moto has nothing. they have only made 2 devices that are running on a hair off the chin. I have no patients for moto. The only ones i will watch for are, of course HTC, Samsung and Sony. They are the main ones to take pride in performance and true hardware quality. HTC will bring out many many more. They will always have money to spend on development because a lot love wmb and a lot love android. Wait!! The future of android has barely yet birth. It is the becoming of a dawn of linux support.

Follow that advice, and you might as well never buy a phone. There will ALWAYS be a better one right around the corner. I can't speak for others, but I jumped on the droid because it was as I expected, a device that runs Android like a champ and cuts NO corners that exists NOW.

[supremeteam256]

People have all ready torn down the droid.
http://androidoverdrive.com/viewtopic.php?f=76&t=63

[cellulararrest]

Without the intention of probing it for a serial port with access to a root shell.

[modidlee]

if I may,
I would say that the admin of the forum might take it into consideration.
how about a vote? a vote between the admins would work.
or may be an election (lol) with a minimum USER votes quantity that needs to be reached for the election to be taken into consideration. the admins would then take it into consideration when voting in a 2nd election-admin-allowed-only.
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a vote would prevent a minor phone of getting its subforum.
only major phones like the Droid will (should?) be, I think, deserve their shot.

I don't know how it is supposed to work between the manufacturers and XDA, if they have any kind of relationship. but if HTC makes it easy for the XDA scene to do their work, and their passion. may be Motorola would (should?) comply too.

but hey i'm just a regular user so, I just hope the admins just take the DROID into consideration.

ps: it's dumb that they didn't keep it as the DROID in europe, I mean the Palm Pre, is the Palm no matter the country you go to, the Iphone is the Iphone.
I don't know, I think it's bad marketing move.
actually they should've named it something other than DROID; many Android phone owners were calling their phones droids before the VZW Droid was even announced. milestone would've been the best name worldwide IMO

[Zyren]

I am pretty disappointed by this decision. I have been a fan of windows mobile, having an HTC kaiser for over 2 years. I followed these forums quite a bit, and was very happy with being able to hack/reflash the firmware of my HTC phone. I jsut recently got a motorola droid and i love it. I figured this forum would be all over the phone. Apparently not. If the droid is not supported here, i will probably have no need to visit this site again. Thats a real shame.

[Kainous]

HTC hasn't provided a new android handset with a physical keyboard yet. It's just the G1.
For now I see more possibility in the Milestone (GSM version for me). Which is why I will be selling my HTC Dream.
And I will stick with the milestone for now.

This forum is called Android Software Development.
So I don't see any reason why non HTC Android software shouldn't be here.

Even if we don't get a sub-forum.. We can post our Android Software here and just state what device this software is for in the thread title, right?

[mr502]

I can't help but laugh at this thread . This is the equivalent of demanding McDonald's to "offer steak and potatoes or I won't come back" ! THATS NOT WHAT THEY DO!

This site PROCLAIMS that they built it around HTC phones ONLY. Why is this so difficult to understand?! Droid owners are just pissed because the best public Android Modders, are on this site and the Droid forums on the net , ALL SUCK. I'm not defending the site just amused at the whining.

Last time I checked, this site was around WAY before Android . Why do you people think that its XDA's responsibility to make sure Android's development is pushed forward?! You are telling XDA that their mission statement needs to change, to cater to you and to Android?! Go to an ANDROID forum for that.

meanwhile...LMFAO !!!!! :D

[Kainous]

I can't help but laugh at this thread . This is the equivalent of demanding McDonald's to "offer steak and potatoes or I won't come back" ! THATS NOT WHAT THEY DO!

This site PROCLAIMS that they built it around HTC phones ONLY. Why is this so difficult to understand?! Droid owners are just pissed because the best public Android Modders, are on this site and the Droid forums on the net , ALL SUCK. I'm not defending the site just amused at the whining.

Last time I checked, this site was around WAY before Android . Why do you people think that its XDA's responsibility to make sure Android's development is pushed forward?! You are telling XDA that their mission statement needs to change, to cater to you and to Android?! Go to an ANDROID forum for that.

meanwhile...LMFAO !!!!! :D
I'm not telling anyone their statement needs to change.
I'm only saying that since this forum is an Android Software Development forum. Isn't it ok if we post our developed software on this forum? As long as we state which device this software is for in the title?

[greekfossil]

i think is good too add milestone her in the xda - developers site ;)

[HeadKase]

I can't help but laugh at this thread . This is the equivalent of demanding McDonald's to "offer steak and potatoes or I won't come back" ! THATS NOT WHAT THEY DO!

McDonalds started by offering hamburgers, they have since added many different kinds of products (salads, chicken nuggets, iced coffee's, etc.)

The statement you made makes me laugh. Just imagine me standing next to you in line at McDonalds and yelling at you or making fun of you for ordering an iced coffee. "IF YOU WANT ICED COFFEE GO TO STARBUCKS!! MCDONALDS HAS BEEN AROUND BEFORE ANYONE ELSE AND ALL THEY EVER WANTED TO SERVE WAS HAMBURGERS. THE BEST HAMBURGER COOKS ALL WORK FOR MCDONALDS AND EVERYONE ELSE SUCKS!!"

I think the reason people are asking for a Motorola Droid sub on xda is because they do understand that there are some great programmers that lurk this site. To use your logic I will make a counter example. Imagine if you went to buy a car and the dealership told you that it will only EVER be available in black no ifs ands or buts. You'd probably think that a little odd and consider going to another dealership to see if they had cars in other colors. Henry Ford said that his cars would only EVER be available in black :)

So to get yourself all worked up is silly. There is nothing wrong with asking if xda is willing to expand. If people like to come to this forum to see what's going on I think xda should be flattered.

[mr502]

asking for an additional forum is fine. suggestions to better the site are fine.
i take suggestion on the sites that i run all the time.

my point is/was .......

1.demanding that XDA take "responsibility" for android's development , as if they have some obligation to do so, is ridiculous. Saying that XDA will be hindering the development by excluding Droid, is just as stupid. leaving because of it ...oh well , see ya!

2.My McD's example was spot on and obviously you don't see the big picture. DEMANDING(keyword) to be served something that they don't have AND storming out is stupid. GO TO WHERE THEY SERVE THAT RIGHT NOW!

3.A suggestion box is for suggestions and requests...... SOME, not all, but SOME of the people in this particular thread are placing ULTIMATUMS in the suggestion box and that makes me laugh. WHY? (refer to 1.)

MAYBE THAT WAS EASIER TO FOLLOW.
(and for the record I would like to see a droid forum on here myself , my g1 will be a backup if Droid gets rooted. But I can understand if the admin want to stick to their TRADITION ) back to LMAO ;)

[slick69]

I can't remember what the reasoning behind it was. I'll get codani up to tell me, he had the discussion with her.

Running a forum ain't free ;)

[iamkewl]

I don't see how it would hurt if they add a Droid section..

I mean why not take advantage of the awesome community here?

If the hardcore people don't like it, then just don't go to the forum?..

/my2cents

[michd43]

It is, what it is. If you want the droid to have a home here, then you need all the WinMo devices from Samsung, LG, Moto, and so on... to have a home here too. Why can't people respect that this is a HTC device site only.

[ledfortr]

Well said. I feel identically the same as you. Also, the Droid is a great phone but once the hype wears off it'll be just another good phone out there. No biggy as we wait patiently for the real real deal, the DRAGON!!

I don't think it will expand our community until the point its unrecognizable. Just like every new phone you get, you switch over and follow the specific forum for that specific phone while you have it. You are a community with fellow device owners for the most part. I think the droid forum is a good idea, providing a platform and medium for development and collaboration is what this site is about, if we don't do it hear, it will happen somewhere else and we may miss all the goodies that can be leveraged.

my .02

[rdfry]

HTC hasn't provided a new android handset with a physical keyboard yet. It's just the G1.
For now I see more possibility in the Milestone (GSM version for me). Which is why I will be selling my HTC Dream.
And I will stick with the milestone for now.

This forum is called Android Software Development.
So I don't see any reason why non HTC Android software shouldn't be here.

Even if we don't get a sub-forum.. We can post our Android Software here and just state what device this software is for in the thread title, right?

yes that is the purpose of this forum. There just won't be any subforums for non HTC Phones at this site ever. People have to realize that these new non HTC phones are going to be replaced by better HTC Phones in short order.

[mancsoulja]

because he is saying that since the site is called xda-developers it can only be about htc phones, when infact the acronym xda has been around before that and can be any pda phone. Also xda is more a label from tmobile for the first popular htc devices. I believe this site should expand a bit to include the most popular phones aswell. Those who complain about the community getting ruined are not willing to get with the times, the community has been way too big already with the 3000000 htc phones and most of the forum sections are dead because the phones are so old they have already moved on to newer devices.

what are you on about! in this sites contex xda devices are 02 branded htc devices, this site was always ment to be a htc specific site, the first device the admins on this site got was an o2 branded htc device hence the name, there will never ever be a non htc made device forum end of so this debate is futile

[supremeteam256]

Running a forum ain't free ;)

I don't get what you are getting at here. And technically you can run a forum for free. And yes I do run a forum.

[mancsoulja]

I don't get what you are getting at here. And technically you can run a forum for free. And yes I do run a forum.

you can run a forum for fee, you need to pay for servers, ftp servers, bandwith, electricty ect gawd some ppl lol do you think xda is run on magical free servers than run on solar power and get free bandwith and maintain themselves lol

[supremeteam256]

you can run a forum for fee, you need to pay for servers, ftp servers, bandwith, electricty ect gawd some ppl lol do you think xda is run on magical free servers than run on solar power and get free bandwith and maintain themselves lol

There is free services for everything you just mentioned except for electricty but wow how much does that cost. There are free servers, free hosting, free bandwidth. Do you ever know what you are talking about?

[B-man007]

you can run a forum for fee, you need to pay for servers, ftp servers, bandwith, electricty ect gawd some ppl lol do you think xda is run on magical free servers than run on solar power and get free bandwith and maintain themselves lol

lol dude i run 3 forums and mod at another......trust me....you can run forums for free

[supremeteam256]

And he missed a big word I had in my original statement. That word is "Technically". Wow dude you just keep losing.

[crpercodani]

A forum this size might not be free but you can easily run a forum with a few thousand members for free besides the 10 dollar domain fee. And this site would only cost about 80 a year for unlimited hosting and bandwidth if you use a decent host, no need for your own server and shit. So you obviously don't know shit about what your saying dude.

[jrodizzkool01]

*To everyone saying that this forum is only for HTC phones*

Last time I checked, the Palm Treo 750, Palm Treo Pro, Sony Xperia X1 weren't HTC devices:rolleyes:. I don't think that all non-HTC devices should be added to the forum (as that would be quite a lot of phones) but it would be great top have a voting on which phones should be added. The Samsung Omnia 2 and Motorola Droid would be perfect for XDA Developers.

[cellulararrest]

*To everyone saying that this forum is only for HTC phones*

Last time I checked, the Palm Treo 750, Palm Treo Pro, Sony Xperia X1 weren't HTC devices:rolleyes:. I don't think that all non-HTC devices should be added to the forum (as that would be quite a lot of phones) but it would be great top have a voting on which phones should be added. The Samsung Omnia 2 and Motorola Droid would be perfect for XDA Developers.

For christ's sake. Can't you read? Those devices are manufactured by HTC.

For anyone that cares at the end of this pathetic thread, the droid has been rooted.

http://alldroid.org/viewtopic.php?f=210&t=567

[rdfry]

*To everyone saying that this forum is only for HTC phones*

Last time I checked, the Palm Treo 750, Palm Treo Pro, Sony Xperia X1 weren't HTC devices:rolleyes:. I don't think that all non-HTC devices should be added to the forum (as that would be quite a lot of phones) but it would be great top have a voting on which phones should be added. The Samsung Omnia 2 and Motorola Droid would be perfect for XDA Developers.

HTC manufactures phones for other companies. All three of these phones are HTC Phones. If a phone has a subforum on this site it is an HTC Phone.

[slick69]

I don't get what you are getting at here. And technically you can run a forum for free. And yes I do run a forum.

Conspiracy theory alert: HTC could be unofficially paying for the upkeep of this forum in exchange for exclusivity - have you seen the kind of developers we have here? If you go on any WM or Android forum people talk about buying HTC phones so they can have xda-devs support. It would be a very cheap way to get customers to keep coming back without being responsible for buggy ROMs and other software. :D

[brybam]

I'd recommend using android-devs.org forums. It's Pretty new but it's setup very similar to XDA its just android device oriented. Not HTC. Seriously, there's even a nook forum! haha

[jesterdroid]

I'd recommend using android-devs.org forums. It's Pretty new but it's setup very similar to XDA its just android device oriented. Not HTC. Seriously, there's even a nook forum! haha

why would anyone want to go there when they steal other peoples threads that they don't want posted there, and they don't even credit where they got it from?
when alldroid allows the dev's to post there own work...

i know.. i am my own moderator of my own thread.

alldroid.org covers all devices and.. "Is" the first with dev's to drop the droid root!
with media coverage to back it up.

San Francisco Examiner - http://tinyurl.com/yf4ttc8 (http://tinyurl.com/yf4ttc8)
iClarified Apple News - http://iclarified.com/entry/index.php?enid=6502 (http://iclarified.com/entry/index.php?enid=6502)


They need to give Credit where credit is due. Unless "they" are on the forefront of discovery.

[lbcoder]

actually they should've named it something other than DROID; many Android phone owners were calling their phones droids before the VZW Droid was even announced. milestone would've been the best name worldwide IMO

You can't expect any CARRIER to de-name a device sensibly, can you? It is a marketing crock to get the ill-informed to actually think that everybody who says "droid" is referring to a device that only THEY sell -- the device, as I recall, is actually called "SHOLES" by the manufacturer.

[thedoginthewok]

I really want a Milestone/Droid Section.
I'm planning to get a Droid soon.

[addicus]

Alright, so here's my attempt on you guys. First and foremost, I appreciate your help googling, but posting links to android development sites with 0 posts on the moto droid, and about 10 posts on the entirety of the forums helps no one. That said, I have the utmost respect for the hard working developers and programmers on this site, and I do appreciate the hard work that you've all done, but the fact of the matter is, as a development community and especially in the rooting department, we need help. If you dont want to post an all out droid sub-forum, that's fine, but the fact of the matter is, we need the help and you guys are the best for the job.

As a developer/modder, I've done my fair share of opening up various platforms for full usability from the end-user. But I have a new phone now, and a brand new platform that I really dont know, and the fact that senior leadership in the development community is shunning what could be a very large segment of the overall base because they have a rep to uphold is inexcusable. If you dont want to open up a sub-forum, fine, I won't hold it against you, but at least come over to Droid Forums (http://www.droidforums.net) or the Alldroid (http://alldroid.org/viewtopic.php?f=210&t=431) post and give us some help in cracking this thing. I know the community as a whole would greatly appreciate it.

I love my Moto droid just as much as you all love your HTC phones, so would a little help really be so difficult?

Listen - this has nothing to do with rep. It has to do what the owner of the site has decided and the money that she is willing to spend on bandwith, etc....

This site is for HTC built phones. You guys knew that when you bought your MOTOROLA Droids so stop the complaining. Asking for a section and everyone saying please is cool - but having the nerve to lecture the owner/mod is ridiculous. You knew what you were getting when you bought the phone - no freaking support. HTC is building plenty of Android phones, albiet none as spec worthy of the Droid currently.

Please read what the site is about and how it was built. A group of people who wanted to make their phones better got together and started this place. I you feel so strongly about it - you guys have the talent to do so.

Also - as great as the Android system is, this is a major flaw in it. It's simply not easy to root. As much as we rag on Windows Mobile it is flexible and modifiable.

Good luck guys and please stop treating the owner as if she's your b****. It's still her site, her money and her prerogative. Respect her and the admins - they've earned it.

[TFJ4]

Can't wait for when all the Droid fanboys leave after the Nexus One steals there thunder =)

[crpercodani]

The Nexus is nice and all, and it's HTC, but I can't live without a physical keyboard so it's just not a option for me. Even with a snapdragon. Besides I have 2.1 on my droid now anyway.

[sourcesociety]

Quit the bickering. You're all acting like a bunch of children.

[anheuer]

i have been reading a lot of threads conserning the rooting of the droid.
But i cant seemt to find this also works for the milestone.

[jrodizzkool01]

Listen - this has nothing to do with rep. It has to do what the owner of the site has decided and the money that she is willing to spend on bandwith, etc....

This site is for HTC built phones. You guys knew that when you bought your MOTOROLA Droids so stop the complaining. Asking for a section and everyone saying please is cool - but having the nerve to lecture the owner/mod is ridiculous. You knew what you were getting when you bought the phone - no freaking support. HTC is building plenty of Android phones, albiet none as spec worthy of the Droid currently.

Please read what the site is about and how it was built. A group of people who wanted to make their phones better got together and started this place. I you feel so strongly about it - you guys have the talent to do so.

Also - as great as the Android system is, this is a major flaw in it. It's simply not easy to root. As much as we rag on Windows Mobile it is flexible and modifiable.

Good luck guys and please stop treating the owner as if she's your b****. It's still her site, her money and her prerogative. Respect her and the admins - they've earned it.
Ive read Randomocity812's post and I still don't see where you got the idea that he was complaining or being disrespectful. What he did was a called a 'suggestion' and he did it in a respectful way.

[rainabba]

This site is for HTC built phones. You guys knew that when you bought your MOTOROLA Droids so stop the complaining. Asking for a section and everyone saying please is cool - but having the nerve to lecture the owner/mod is ridiculous. You knew what you were getting when you bought the phone - no freaking support. HTC is building plenty of Android phones, albiet none as spec worthy of the Droid currently.

Please read what the site is about and how it was built. A group of people who wanted to make their phones better got together and started this place. I you feel so strongly about it - you guys have the talent to do so.

Good luck guys and please stop treating the owner as if she's your b****. It's still her site, her money and her prerogative. Respect her and the admins - they've earned it.

This post really irritates me. I'm not exactly new to XDA-Developers and until this thread came along, I had NO reason to believe the site was HTC only. Given, aside from my MotoQ (which did receive some attention here), all my handsets were HTC so there wasn't much reason for that fact to become evident, it remains that the site isn't called htc-developers.com and I never owned an XDA, but even if I had, as I understand it, that was ONE handset and doesn't imply the site is locked to one manufacturer. So your assumption that all us Droid owners knew is quite wrong and as a result, you set a tone in that response that makes me want to disregard the rest before I even evaluate it.

Why you mention the fact that HTC builds lots of Android phones is beyond me. I'm sure most every frequent user here will admit to chasing the "best" handsets as they come out. I'm so bad about it that I've switched carriers twice now so I really don't care who the manufacturer is. That's one of the reasons I personally don't see why adding a Droid section is such a big deal. If the community is buying the phone, developers are working with it, and people need a place to collaborate, why should it matter if it's HTC or Motorola? Should we setup seperate drinking fountains and classrooms for people based on the manufacturers of their handsets too?

You said yourself, this site was built by "A group of people who wanted to make their phones better", not their "HTC phones" though that may be the case, it's not clear to many people obviously, and even if that was the intent, that isn't a reason to maintain that position. Of course the site owner maintains the right to make such decisions, the fact is that this site is key to the mobile community so she also has some responsibility to make decisions that are good for the community. If she neglects to do that, eventually someone else (AllDroid.org) will pick up the slack, the community will adjust, and if anyone suffers in the long run, it will be her, her wallet, and/or her reputation in the community.

I don't doubt that some people have gone too far, but I'm really not sure where people have "treated the site owner as their bi***". I HAVE seen many people, make valid points about why a Droid thread makes sense. Some have been a bit more emotional about it than was necissary, but then again, people have invested a lot of time into this site and now feel like they're being displaced. That's going to create some strong responses.

Your point about expenses is valid in general, but not a point of argument in this case unless I've missed something. If cost was a motivator here, she could very easily ask for donations to offset the expense. I know for fact that close to $1000.00 USD have been donated already toward Droid efforts and given my professional position, I know VERY well what the added expenses would be like for the additional load on the site. Even a small donation fund would more than cover that. Despite that fact, and since you clearly haven't noticed, this site is funded at least in large, by advertising so it's a mute point.

I agree people need to be respectful when voicing their opinions and requests, but that goes for you as well and I think your post was quite rude and disrepectful for "all us Droid owners".

[addicus]

Dude really? You have been here for a while but didn't know this site is dedicated to HTC manufactured devices? Seriously? I'm the one irritating you? Please read the introduction of the site and don't just jump into the forums section. You have no right to lecture me when you frequent a site and have no idea what it's all about. I wish you Droid owners the best. My post was in answer to you saying other phones weren't being supported because there was a 'rep' to uphold. It was also to the numerous posts in this thread where people were chastising the admins and ownership for not bowing to their wants.
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In review - asking for a forum is cool. Taking the admins and ownership to task for keeping to a long standing policy you should have been aware of is not cool.
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Also - just in case you haven't picked up on it - this site is a developers site and warez isn't allowed here. Just a little fyi.

[rainabba]

Dude really? You have been here for a while but didn't know this site is dedicated to HTC manufactured devices? Seriously? I'm the one irritating you? Please read the introduction of the site and don't just jump into the forums section. You have no right to lecture me when you frequent a site and have no idea what it's all about. I wish you Droid owners the best. My post was in answer to you saying other phones weren't being supported because there was a 'rep' to uphold. It was also to the numerous posts in this thread where people were chastising the admins and ownership for not bowing to their wants.
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In review - asking for a forum is cool. Taking the admins and ownership to task for keeping to a long standing policy you should have been aware of is not cool.
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Also - just in case you haven't picked up on it - this site is a developers site and warez isn't allowed here. Just a little fyi.

The majority of that post isn't worth a response, but your mention of warez does need some some attention since since you're obviously implying something and publicly, but clearly don't have the balls to speak your mind, OR be a responsible forum user and PM me instead of taking this thread further off topic. That said, and so anyone who might also be wondering will know, WTF are you getting at?

By the way, I and anyone else here have just as much a right to "lecture" as you so get off your high horse and start walking prince, or go your merry way and STFU. :)

"...you Droid users..." <-- Exactly the sort of attitude I'm trying to address.

[tr1st4n]

take that stupid sony forum off then.

[ElCondor]

The majority of that post isn't worth a response, but your mention of warez does need some some attention since since you're obviously implying something and publicly, but clearly don't have the balls to speak your mind, OR be a responsible forum user and PM me instead of taking this thread further off topic. That said, and so anyone who might also be wondering will know, WTF are you getting at?

By the way, I and anyone else here have just as much a right to "lecture" as you so get off your high horse and start walking prince, or go your merry way and STFU. :)

"...you Droid users..." <-- Exactly the sort of attitude I'm trying to address.
rainabba when are you going to stop this! It doesn't make any sense.
Just stop attacking people!

And BTW do not send me any PM again or I'll warn the mods.
take that stupid sony forum off then.
X1= made by HTC.

[rainabba]

;5178199']Just stop attacking people!

And BTW do not send me any PM again or I'll warn the mods.



Attacking? I'm one of the only people here being reasonable. Not pulling crap like the warez stab (which is yet to be explained or justified).

BTW, you are freaking slow. I haven't PMd you in months and I WILL do it again if it makes more sense than spamming up a thread (like I'm doing right now because clearly nobody else gives a sh** about keeping threads on-topic).

[velazcod]

Guys, I'm neutral here, and I respect the decisions of the admins to only support HTC devices.

I just have a question, then why are there non-HTC devices listed on the main forums, that you guys support?

Example: Sony Ericsson Xperia X1, Sony Ericsson Xperia X1 and Sony Ericsson Xperia X1.


Just asking :confused:

[jrodizzkool01]

Guys, I'm neutral here, and I respect the decisions of the admins to only support HTC devices.

I just have a question, then why are there non-HTC devices listed on the main forums, that you guys support?

Example: Sony Ericsson Xperia X1, Sony Ericsson Xperia X1 and Sony Ericsson Xperia X1.


Just asking :confused:

I'm also confused about this. I sometimes see people saying that the Xperia is made by HTC but it's obviously a Sony. Is it because HTC helped in the design department that warrants a Sony to be on an HTC forum? Same thoughts about the Palm 750 and Treo Pro. I've searched google trying to figure out if HTC made the Palm 750 and can't find any info on it.

And to whoever thinks that people who join xda-developers automatically know that it's an HTC (or what people 'consider' to be HTC) only site, I had no idea about it until around a month ago when I found someone asking why the Omnia wasn't on the site, and I've been an active member for almost a year. I still don't even know why it's HTC based but have the idea that maybe HTC donates to the site or something.

[DaveTheTytnIIGuy]

I'm also confused about this. I sometimes see people saying that the Xperia is made by HTC but it's obviously a Sony. Is it because HTC helped in the design department that warrants a Sony to be on an HTC forum? Same thoughts about the Palm 750 and Treo Pro. I've searched google trying to figure out if HTC made the Palm 750 and can't find any info on it.

I'm rather neutral to this whole discussion, but I'll try to explain the reasoning behind the Xperia X1 and Treo 750/Pro forums:

The reason they're on XDA-Developers is because HTC manufactured and designed those devices. They all use HTC bootloaders, have similar chipsets (for example: the Treo 750 is almost identical to the HTC Hermes internally), and they were all manufactured by HTC. They may be marketed and sold by Sony and Palm under their own respective brands, but they are essentially HTC devices because HTC designed and manufactured them, and AFAIK work identically to HTC devices, right down to the SPL. They can also be hacked just like HTC devices, unlike other brands. I hope that helps, as I realize it can be a bit confusing at first

[velazcod]

I'm rather neutral to this whole discussion, but I'll try to explain the reasoning behind the Xperia X1 and Treo 750/Pro forums:

The reason they're on XDA-Developers is because HTC manufactured and designed those devices. They all use HTC bootloaders, have similar chipsets (for example: the Treo 750 is almost identical to the HTC Hermes internally), and they were all manufactured by HTC. They may be marketed and sold by Sony and Palm under their own respective brands, but they are essentially HTC devices because HTC designed and manufactured them, and AFAIK work identically to HTC devices, right down to the SPL. They can also be hacked just like HTC devices, unlike other brands. I hope that helps, as I realize it can be a bit confusing at first

got it. thanks

[ElCondor]

Attacking? I'm one of the only people here being reasonable. Not pulling crap like the warez stab (which is yet to be explained or justified).

BTW, you are freaking slow. I haven't PMd you in months and I WILL do it again if it makes more sense than spamming up a thread (like I'm doing right now because clearly nobody else gives a sh** about keeping threads on-topic).

How can one be so angry...

[Noonski]

I moved the thread to the General Forum as this discussion does not actually contain Development Information.

The request for Non HTC devices are not new.

These have been around for years.
So the Admins and the people paying for most of the site are aware.

Up until now the ideas to support devices outside of HTC manufactured ones has been declined.

So with the Admins, Moderators aware of these requests, do not put to many hope into trying to persuade the team. This is a discussion that is even discussed behind closed doors and i have yet to see the signs that our Admins are going to go that way. Especially looking at the ever expanding of the new HTC devices coming out.

[jrodizzkool01]

I'm rather neutral to this whole discussion, but I'll try to explain the reasoning behind the Xperia X1 and Treo 750/Pro forums:

The reason they're on XDA-Developers is because HTC manufactured and designed those devices. They all use HTC bootloaders, have similar chipsets (for example: the Treo 750 is almost identical to the HTC Hermes internally), and they were all manufactured by HTC. They may be marketed and sold by Sony and Palm under their own respective brands, but they are essentially HTC devices because HTC designed and manufactured them, and AFAIK work identically to HTC devices, right down to the SPL. They can also be hacked just like HTC devices, unlike other brands. I hope that helps, as I realize it can be a bit confusing at first

Thanks for the explanation :). By the way do you know why xda-developers only allows HTC-made devices?

[Noonski]

A long long time ago in a far away galaxy, there was a company that made Pocket PC's for other big name Companies and and telcom operators, like Dell and O2. The devices would never really carry the name of it's manufacturer (HTC).

The first device HTC made for a telecom company was the O2 XDA.

A group of guys got together and literally took the devices apart with Soldering bolts to know what made them tick.

They decided to make a little forum to keep track of their findings and share them with the world.

In those darken days, there where only Windows Mobile Phones being made by HTC.

To not grow to fast and keep most the information, hopefully relevant for newer HTC devices, the focus stayed on HTC devices as that was the whole reason this forum started.

And they lived happily ever after.

So i think it is safe to say that the answer that comes closest to why XDA has always been HTC centered would be to say, it is the tradition and it the history behind it.

XDA is one of the biggest technical orientated Forum around. (we reached 2 million members this month)
At almost any given moment there are around 6000 active members on the site simultaneously.
And this amount can only grow. There are days the servers are smoking.
And this for a site that is not centered on and survives by smart commercial fundings.

[ZebraineZ]

The thing is that I don't see why people have to be so butt hurt and ignorant about this site being an HTC only site, Moto Droid is the only android phone out at the moment (or at least one of them) that may very well win a lot of people over, we have already seen the large amount of handsets already sold.

The thing is that you guys are bitching about adding a SECTION for the Droid, not having the actual staff or whatever develop on it, I'm not even going to ask a 'would it be hard' question because everyone in this forum and myself already know the answer: it wouldn't.


The hardware is why the Droid attracts a lot of people, and instead of being ignorant and shooting down every request for a Droid (yet again) section (for some discussion at least) you can count each and every one of those requests and would see how many users want something that the staff are capable of doing without causing any harm to their site, in fact quite the opposite, it would build up the already strong community with even more people and developers, some even coming here for the sole reason of there being a Droid section.

I wonder how many more pages this thread will last, hmmm...

God forbid there be a section for the Droid.... Least give a reason why it is so wrong to have a section.

Tradition doesn't matter, that is just a hoax society uses to not accept change, change that is beneficial to everyone. Using tradition for a large community would just upset the community even more, the site was happy before the droid came, and it may seem happy now but more and more people get the Droid and would also want their device to get the goodies that all these HTC phones get.

[Noonski]

I wasn't speculating, just stating the fact that this is discussion 200 about the same subject and owners (The Original Soldering Bolts XDA) and Admin's have not met the requests.

Never said the discussion isn't useful, we're even having the same discussion behind closed doors among Moderators.

Would XDA benefit? Sure most definitely.

But so have other forums that started there where XDA at that moment stopped.

Where there is a need for something specific there's room for others to start something new, and others have done just that.
http://www.modaco.com/category/62/mpx220-mpx220-modaco-com/

If tradition wouldn't matter we could just as well make new users with 1 post Moderators right of the bat.

I walk many threads and i cannot see that the Quality of XDA get's better the more users it has.

[polishmike]

Is there a forum devoted to the droid out there? I just picked one up and am really enterested in what this baby can do.

[killerskincanoe]

lol u guys are fast learners? 17 pages? crimeny... just create a social group.. anyone can create one.. and you can set mods and have people post discussions. meet greet. and be merry with your mods and hacks...

[Noonski]

Is there a forum devoted to the droid out there? I just picked one up and am really enterested in what this baby can do.

http://androidcommunity.com/forums/f56/rom-droid-rom-for-32gb-g1-mt3g-by-eugene-and-twisted-12-03-09-aosp-20-a-29466/

Like this, you mean?

[linux_droid]

I just joined this forum after reading through this thread.

I found xda-developers because I just bought a Motorola Droid and was looking for, of course, info on hacking the phone.

I am new here, so what I say may not carry much weight, but having been involved in, moderating, admin-ing and even hosting a few forums/sites over the years.... well, I felt the need to say something.

This place (xda-developers) seems to have a great community of people DOING THE WORK to figure out just how to hack a bunch of phones, and have done great work and earned a reputation that is second to none for the work they do.

Because of that, this neophyte to cell phone modding (and obviously others as well) would very much like to have a group of folks like xda working on hacks to improve our Droids, and a dedicated forum to support that work.

But I understand the desire to maintain community focus.
Community focus is really a requirement for a tech-based online community to to remain cohesive and do quality work. When an online community branches out too much, or tries to be all-inclusive it gets weak.
Period.

Perhaps there IS enough interest and member desire to justify adding a Moto Droid section, but doing so WILL change the communities focus.
Adding a single non-HTC device is not too likely to destroy a strong community, but if one is added then why not another brand?

Seriously, as a new Droid owner who spent hours searching online before risking bricking my phone I would love to have the decision made in favor of broadening the focus here, but as someone who has seen quite a few forums fall to pieces, I think it would be better for this PLACE to stay on focus.

That doesn't mean "kicking out" us Droid people, of course- nothing wrong with allowing forum members to have sidelines and other projects under discussion. ;) But one forum can not be all things to all people, folks.

There is a whole intarweb out there, after all.

[Noonski]

I can only say that there is no definite No.

[lude219]

Good thread to lock/sticky'd (depending on your stance). I don't see why all these people come in here with a sense of entitlement that the admin should heed their request and create a droid forum. This isn't an open forum to all kind of phones (regardless of their makes and models), it's an exclusive to HTCs. The reason why exclusive forums work is that you really have a strong knowledge base from developers who know the product very well. All the knowledge that you've learned from one device could easily be replicated to the next device because you know that the technology and programming for that particular company would, more or less, stay the same. Having a high concentration of knowledgeable users on here is the reason why I keep coming back. It's not over-saturated with 5 different OSes and hundred of phones...and that's what's make it so great.

For those who feel that XDA owe them something, the next time im in your house as a guest, I'd expect a 5 course meal and to be able to have sex with your wife.

[Noonski]

Hey the Nexus ain't even out yet:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=557

And it even already got it's Forum at XDA, without anyone even asking for it.

:cool:;)

To bad it's probably also made by HTC (no sarcasm meant)

[rainabba]

Good thread to lock/sticky'd (depending on your stance). I don't see why all these people come in here with a sense of entitlement that the admin should heed their request and create a droid forum. This isn't an open forum to all kind of phones (regardless of their makes and models), it's an exclusive to HTCs. The reason why exclusive forums work is that you really have a strong knowledge base from developers who know the product very well. All the knowledge that you've learned from one device could easily be replicated to the next device because you know that the technology and programming for that particular company would, more or less, stay the same. Having a high concentration of knowledgeable users on here is the reason why I keep coming back. It's not over-saturated with 5 different OSes and hundred of phones...and that's what's make it so great.

For those who feel that XDA owe them something, the next time im in your house as a guest, I'd expect a 5 course meal and to be able to have sex with your wife.

"Sense of entitlement" should be replaced by "sense of community and rejection" for most of the folks you're referring to and if there is any sense of entitlement, it's likely the result of having contributed to THIS sites success up until now in many cases.

No worries now though, alldroid.org (http://alldroid.org) (emphasis on ALL) is picking up the slack (and others are doing their part also to ensure another site can take the reigns) and already some of the better known Android Devs from this site are either cross-posting, or moving over.

[bloke67fm]

I just have a brand new milestone. by searching the internet to find some help, i found this page.

Never found another page in same quality, please add an droid forum.

Thank you very much!

[harddisk_ripper]

I just sold my Topaz and ordered a Milestone :D:D

Only to find out that there is no milestone sub forum on xda, though! :eek::confused:
This feels like there is something big and important missing... :o:rolleyes:


+1 for Droid Forum!

greetings from switzerland
marco

[fiktion]

Why is this thread even still open? Come on guys, seriously. The name of this community implies right off the bat that it has nothing to do with anything other than HTC. You wouldn't go to a Chevrolet car forum and beg them to have a section for a Honda, would you? Even though those guys know what they're talking about, you just wouldn't do that.

Also, could you imagine what would happen to XDA's servers if they opened Moto, Acer, Samsung, etc sections? They're already a little laggy during the U.S. daylight hours.

[Noonski]

We spy for any really good comments and suggestions and ideas:D

We are not discouraging the discussion as long as it is done in good way.

And since no one is bashing each others brains in this thread is going pretty fine.

[jrodizzkool01]

Maybe if everyone raises funds to create a Droid forum it could happen? I don't know just a random idea. One question for anyone who can answer it-How did the O2 XDA Atom get a dedicated forum if it wasn't made by HTC? That struck me as odd but then again maybe it is made by HTC and google refuses to tell me.

[DaveTheTytnIIGuy]

Maybe if everyone raises funds to create a Droid forum it could happen? I don't know just a random idea. One question for anyone who can answer it-How did the O2 XDA Atom get a dedicated forum if it wasn't made by HTC? That struck me as odd but then again maybe it is made by HTC and google refuses to tell me.
AFAIK it isn't made by HTC. I think I recall one of the moderators saying that a non-HTC device was once added to the forum in error, and the admins deemed it unfair to remove it. My guess is that the device was added before any HTC-only rules were created and no other non-HTC XDA devices were created before the HTC-only rule took effect, so it was grandfathered under the new rules and wasn't removed for the sake of fairness. One of the mods whose been here for awhile could probably elaborate further

[Noonski]

Nope it was an honoust mistake with the Atom, long after the "Rule".

[coolVariable]

Still stupid!
HTC makes some of the crappiest devices (Tytn II aka Kaiser) and yet this forum stands behind them like a blind man being led by a cripple.

[BigJayDogg3]

Still stupid!
HTC makes some of the crappiest devices (Tytn II aka Kaiser) and yet this forum stands behind them like a blind man being led by a cripple.

LOL WUT?!

Those are some of the most well built phones I've ever seen. I still see several on a daily basis in fairly decent shape.

[Noonski]

Still stupid!
HTC makes some of the crappiest devices (Tytn II aka Kaiser) and yet this forum stands behind them like a blind man being led by a cripple.

First you make edgy remarks, and then you quoting a Peacefull post admitting a previous mistake, but still you find the need to get all "Let's Bash, for Bashes sake".

Keep the done done a bit, it's not just this post here.
There's plenty of ways of showing you don't agree with something without calling people stupid, blind or idiots.

It's posts like these that don't help the persuasion of maybe actually adding a few Non HTC devices.

This was not a reply it was a warning to keep it cool.

LOL WUT?!

Those are some of the most well built phones I've ever seen. I still see several on a daily basis in fairly decent shape.

Yes the build quality in many cases is of good guality.
But the Support for higher end support for Hardware Graphics acceleration is one of the big downers for some. Which has prevented a lot of developers to try and make some cool games.

And i'm not sure Android has got that part set up as good as the Iphone has.

So both for WinMo and Android i hope they will be putting more effort on making it easier to make sleeker games.

HTC has invested a lot of time and effort in doing more on the software side to make usability better on WinMo. As that is always one of the reasons i hear people mentioning for not getting a Windows Mobile Device.

Saying HTC makes Crappy devices is unfair if this comment is maybe more addresses towards WinMo in general.

[drive2droad]

if it hadnt been my decision to go for a nexus one import for complementing my nokia , i would be mincing the same words for HTC , but as of what i know their approach is changing for something very good...

[quicksite]

Anyway, I think it would be a shame to miss out on the Droid rush. It's going to be the biggest Android phone this year (if not longer) and will probably spawn a whole new wave of development.

I agree very much, but have not yet read this thread to see if decision has been made on this or not. For all I know the Mods may have already created a forum for the Droid.

Regardless, I am anxious to see how this plays out. XDA should not let all these new communities that have emerged since Android was released overtake them as the definitive expert-site for all hacking and modifying of the very best phones in the touchscreen market. The admins here wisely opened up a whole new Android section, and it would be a shame to have DROID enthusiasts go find a "nest" elsewhere. :)

[jrodizzkool01]

LOL WUT?!

Those are some of the most well built phones I've ever seen. I still see several on a daily basis in fairly decent shape.

I wouldn't consider HTC devices to be the best made phones as far as hardware (besides HD2 and possibly nexus). When I had my touch pro, I had to use tape on the inside of the battery cover to keep it from squeezing and when I used the TP2, the volume rocker buttons were always loose. It's the theme software of HTC that make the devices what they are. The TF3d and sense interfaces attract people to the phones and are very intuitive. One of the biggest reasons I switched from HTC to my Droid is because I was tired of having plastic-feeling devices even when I had paid a lot for them (TP was $299 and TP2 was $349 but I returned TP2 for Droid). The reason I think the HD2 has good hardware is because it is made of metals and glass, like the Droid, instead of creaky plastic like previous devices I have had. Even though Motorola hasn't had many popular devices besides the RAZR (which didn't die!) and the Droid, I have to admit that all the Motorolas I have tried have an excellent build quality.

[MNilson]

I have not readed all pages.. but im in faith that a droid/milestone sub forum will be added soon, as a new owner of the phone!
Pleaseeee! C'mon

[Shad0w325]

So is there any chance the Droid is going to get its own forum? No other forum even comes close to the number of amazing developers on xda, and I'm sure they could all crack the Droid wide open just like every other device on here. :)

[deadite66]

i'd love to see a droid/milestone forum here but i don't think it will kick off rom development unless the problems with moto signing everything is addressed.
i wondered if a distributed computing system could be set up to crack the signing key.

[jrodizzkool01]

I'm happy that xda is now adding other devices to the forum but I'm a little sad that the Droid still isn't here yet. I thought that it would be among one of the first devices added because of its popularity but I guess devices are being added because of other factors. Hopefully we'll see a forum for it soon because I'm certain that it'll be much more popular than the forums of the new Acer devices.

[rainabba]

So is there any chance the Droid is going to get its own forum? No other forum even comes close to the number of amazing developers on xda, and I'm sure they could all crack the Droid wide open just like every other device on here. :)

There is a Droid forum (if someone knows of a more productive, active one, please let me know) right here: http://alldroid.org/viewforum.php?f=210

[rainabba]

I'm happy that xda is now adding other devices to the forum but I'm a little sad that the Droid still isn't here yet. I thought that it would be among one of the first devices added because of its popularity but I guess devices are being added because of other factors. Hopefully we'll see a forum for it soon because I'm certain that it'll be much more popular than the forums of the new Acer devices.

The significant factor where the Droid is concerned, is the manufacturer. To my knowledge, XDA still only "supports" HTC devices. The Droid is Motorola (unless you're confusing the "Moto Droid" with the "Droid Eris" by name).

[jrodizzkool01]

The significant factor where the Droid is concerned, is the manufacturer. To my knowledge, XDA still only "supports" HTC devices. The Droid is Motorola (unless you're confusing the "Moto Droid" with the "Droid Eris" by name).

No, they've been adding non HTC devices for the past the couple weeks. The samsung omnia, 2 acer phones, and the toshiba tg01 got forums already. I was just suprised that the acer neotouch s200 got a forum before the Droid because I have never heard of that phone.

[rainabba]

No, they've been adding non HTC devices for the past the couple weeks. The samsung omnia, 2 acer phones, and the toshiba tg01 got forums already. I was just suprised that the acer neotouch s200 got a forum before the Droid because I have never heard of that phone.

Before I posted that I checked and didn't see any. Guess I overlooked them and I'm out of the loop. Glad to see they finally came to their senses :)

Are any of those devices shipped with Android? Also, I wonder if they might have opted to leave out the Droid forum because we have the Droid so well covered at AllDroid and doing so here NOW would only fracture the coverage by forcing users only another site.

[jrodizzkool01]

Before I posted that I checked and didn't see any. Guess I overlooked them and I'm out of the loop. Glad to see they finally came to their senses :)

Are any of those devices shipped with Android? Also, I wonder if they might have opted to leave out the Droid forum because we have the Droid so well covered at AllDroid and doing so here NOW would only fracture the coverage by forcing users only another site.
the 2 acer devices both run android. You're probably right about why its taking some time for the Droid to get its forum. Alldroid rocks for Droid customizations but there aren't any other large forums for the acer android devices.

[N1c0_ds]

I'm currently building a website for Windows Mobile cooks to submit their ROMs in an organised place. Once I stamped most bugs, I'll create a sister site for Android phones.

I know there are many websites that are like XDA-developers with support for other devices, but none of them has such a big community.

[addyct]

I hate to bump an old thread, but I think a lot of us would still love to see an answer as to why there isn't a Droid subforum now that it's not JUST HTC devices? Was this answered somewhere else, at least?

[svetius]

We haven't added a Droid forum because we sort of "missed the boat" on that one. We started adding non-HTC forums well after the release of the Droid, and we want to avoid making a new forum and having few people use it because of poor timing.

The only way we'd change our mind about that is if we get indication from a handful of Droid developers that they're ready and waiting to contribute their dev work to an XDA Droid forum. If there is anyone out there like that, send me a PM!

Thanks.

[darx]

We haven't added a Droid forum because we sort of "missed the boat" on that one. We started adding non-HTC forums well after the release of the Droid, and we want to avoid making a new forum and having few people use it because of poor timing.

The only way we'd change our mind about that is if we get indication from a handful of Droid developers that they're ready and waiting to contribute their dev work to an XDA Droid forum. If there is anyone out there like that, send me a PM!

Thanks.

Sounds like a very good reason. No point in starting a possible ghost town section.

Who really knows what phones will be dominating by the end of the year? I almost hope my nexus one get's nexus one'd by another phone so I can upgrade :)