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[Q] Time to update ROM with Knox bit tripped, how to avoid a brick

4th July 2014, 12:42 AM |#1  
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So back in December while updating to the newest version of MOAR, I made this mistake of taking the OTA update and getting Knox. I managed not to brick my phone at the time, but ended up with the Knox bit tripped and a lot of concern that further experimenting would result in a dead phone and a forced replacement. Anyway, fast forward to now and its time to update again (some apps are starting to get unstable because they have been updated but my ROM hasn't), but I want to make sure I don't risk bricking the phone thanks to Knox.

If I remember correctly, the fact that I'd contracted Knox and tripped the bit already meant that I was stuck with the same bootloader, but I could update everything else. Is this still the case, or has someone figured a way around the issue in the past six months so that I can get rid of Knox once and for all? Also, since I haven't looked at any of this in the last 7 months, what exactly would the process be to update to the newest version of MOAR without updating the bootloader (if that's still what needs to happen)?

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4th July 2014, 02:19 AM |#2  
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You can downgrade everything but bootloader and modem. You can upgrade everything.

Flashing custom ROMs don't include bootloaders or modems, so have no fear. Only Odining the stock ROM, taking an OTA, or specifically finding a way to flash those upgrade them.

Just flash the latest MOAR or whatever other ROM you want to, as always.

The only exception to this is to flash ND8 (TouchWiz 4.4.2) based ROMs you need to have taken the ND8 OTA or Odined the stock ND8 tar first, otherwise you may brick your phone.

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4th July 2014, 09:26 AM |#3  
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Originally Posted by roirraW "edor" ehT

You can downgrade everything but bootloader and modem. You can upgrade everything.

Flashing custom ROMs don't include bootloaders or modems, so have no fear. Only Odining the stock ROM, taking an OTA, or specifically finding a way to flash those upgrade them.

Just flash the latest MOAR or whatever other ROM you want to, as always.

The only exception to this is to flash ND8 (TouchWiz 4.4.2) based ROMs you need to have taken the ND8 OTA or Odined the stock ND8 tar first, otherwise you may brick your phone.

You're welcome!

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Ok, with all of that said, the ND8 is an upgrade, so if I Odin it in, I should still be fine? I really hate that this is even an issue... I am thinking of jumping ship from the company's products when I upgrade next specifically as a result of this
4th July 2014, 02:18 PM |#4  
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Ok, with all of that said, the ND8 is an upgrade, so if I Odin it in, I should still be fine? I really hate that this is even an issue... I am thinking of jumping ship from the company's products when I upgrade next specifically as a result of this

Yes, you can upgrade everything.

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4th July 2014, 03:29 PM |#5  
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Ok, with all of that said, the ND8 is an upgrade, so if I Odin it in, I should still be fine? I really hate that this is even an issue... I am thinking of jumping ship from the company's products when I upgrade next specifically as a result of this

The only valid arguments against Knox (IMHO) are:

1. Once the warranty counter is tripped there is no way to reset it.

2. You do not have the ability to downgrade modems/bootloaders.

Myself, rode warrior and many others have had no issues directly related to Knox....

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5th July 2014, 02:15 AM |#6  
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The only valid arguments against Knox (IMHO) are:

1. Once the warranty counter is tripped there is no way to reset it.

2. You do not have the ability to downgrade modems/bootloaders.

Myself, rode warrior and many others have had no issues directly related to Knox....

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The problem is the way in which those issues manifested. Samsung essentially slipped Knox into the update almost without warning and with virtually no documentation. As a result many of those who were affected found out about it as a result of a bricked phone which was now permanently marked as ineligible for warranty work. Had Samsung made it clear what Knox was capable of and provided proper documentation of its function then I don't think many people would have had any problems with it.

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