**Ultimate GS3 sudden death thread**

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Product F(RED)

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I know this is off-topic a bit, but my S3 has an insane chip and has been fine. I know that people whose S3 have died have said that it just happened without warning in some case (little to no freezing at all), but if my S3 doesn't die, I don't think I'm getting the S4. It has nothing to do with how Samsung is handling it. I just think that, SDS aside, the S3 (at least the i9300 and i9305) are powerful enough. Sure it's nice to have beefier specs, especially for me since I play a lot of games on my phone. But I feel like it's a lot of people are calling it: The Galaxy S3S. The only thing I really care about is the 2GB of RAM, but even that's not a big deal at this point, since the Nexus 7 has 1GB of RAM, for example.
 
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Dean-xXx

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When is everyone gonna understand that the emmc app is not for the S3. It was made for the S2, so the sane/insane chip info is not relevant to S3. We use it on the s3 just to check the chip model/version..
 

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When is everyone gonna understand that the emmc app is not for the S3. It was made for the S2, so the sane/insane chip info is not relevant to S3. We use it on the s3 just to check the chip model/version..

I was the one who brought it up in this thread to suggest using it. I specifically told people that it's made for the S2 and is only good for checking the chip in your S3. But the app was recently updated (recently as in weeks ago) to also correctly work on the S3 and Note 2. So now if it says "INSANE CHIP" on your S3, you actually have the bad chip.
 
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I woke up also with the phone dead... I tried to charge it without success. Yesterday it was working fine and it had around 30% of battery before going to bed

My phone is a European 16G White GT-I9300A. It is rooted and with a custom 4.1.2 rom. At the moment some work colleague is charging my battery so I can use it again. I am wondering if it is better to apply the patch or take it to the service...:confused:

I am also worried that the rooting has void warranty. :rolleyes:
 

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I woke up also with the phone dead... I tried to charge it without success. Yesterday it was working fine and it had around 30% of battery before going to bed

My phone is a European 16G White GT-I9300A. It is rooted and with a custom 4.1.2 rom. At the moment some work colleague is charging my battery so I can use it again. I am wondering if it is better to apply the patch or take it to the service...:confused:

I am also worried that the rooting has void warranty. :rolleyes:

If the phone is dead they cant see if its rooted , what rom did you use exactly?

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cotarelo

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If the phone is dead they cant see if its rooted , what rom did you use exactly?

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Sadly, my SGS3 it's not turning on even with full battery charged (I charged it in another phone) :(

I used MS Team HD 6.0 (first one using 4.1.2) ... I have the efsbackup if it is needed... I think I need to take to the service... I am afraid they will tell me warranty it's void ... Besides, I had the phone unlocked via IMEI ... do the European service give you a different phone?

AP: 19300XXBLFB
CP: 19300XXLFB
CSC: I9300PHEBLG1
 
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On my s3's both showing Yes. Insane chip :silly:
However one is launch day and one is from august.
On one even the chip date is wrong showing 2006 :silly:

So far no problems/freezing with any of them. :angel:
 

cotarelo

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After what I've been going through you could not pay me to buy another S3 International version. I have $750 invested in a phone that is 5000 miles away in the UK plus the 400 I had to spend on this one. If I ever get it back it will get sold with this Nexus 4 and I'll gamble with the S4. If that dies I'll officially wipe my hands of Samsung products.

Totally agree. I have been through also. I am very upset as I spent 500€ (about 650$) on what it should be the best Android Phone in the market. And there was really a lot of issues (remember when we were waiting for 4.1?, speaker not working). Samsung should shame for this. If I would know this I would have get a SGS1 since that phone never had this issues. We are now in a point that the phone is very important for the daylife (agenda, calendar, mail, maps) specially if you are on the run...

By the way... Can someone tell if they sent their rooted / custom rom phones to the Samsung service and if was a problem to apply the fix?

Regards,
 
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olyman

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Damaged USB

My S3 died while charging overnight, it seems to match all the sudden death synptoms. I sent it off to Samsung for repair. 10 days later I received a quote from the service centre saying that the problem was a damaged USB and that it would cost £73.94. I've asked them for more information and that this is a problem well documented on the internet and I'm waiting for a response. They've not mentioned any water damage, just 'Damaged USB' and that it's out of warranty. Are they likely to change their diagnosis and do the repairs free of charge?
 

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My phone was behaving erratically over the last few weeks (Random reboots, frequent freezes etc). After countless hard resets, it became worse that I couldn't even complete the setup after the hard reset. The phone freezes as soon as it gets connected to WiFi or HSPA networks. Samsung service center returned the phone as fine twice (Express 3 hours Service) but the problem persisted. I demanded to meet with their manager and proved the senior technical engineer wrong right there in the service center. They took 45 minutes to replace my motherboard after all the fuzz that I made and so far this replacement motherboard is working fine for more than a week now without a single reboot or hang.

Strangely enough, my friend's phone with the same affected eMMC hasn't experienced a single reboot or freezing issue.
 

amarsana

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done with samsung

My siii died in my pocket 2 months ago. I bought it on ebay in USA. Now no one would touch my dead siii.

Samsung USA told me it is from UK. Samsung UK says it is from Samsung South Africa. I'm calling samsung usa once again. if they don't fix it, I will be done with Samsung. Let me remind you I bought more than 10 pieces of Samsung Siii-s for friends and families. Complete bull****.
 

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***update*** so pissed

Just got off the phone with Anovo again to find out if my phone had been sent from them to Intercity Telecom as Samsung UK directed them to do last week. Apparently Intercity said not to ship it to them because they can't repair it either and that Samsung UK gave incorrect info and it has been escalated. Anovo just wants to ship my phone back to me at my expense which means I waisted $120.00 dollars sending it to them in the first place. So now I have to call SS UK back because this is screwed up. Apparently no one can fix the phone and I should just throw it in the trash.:mad:
 

samalmaskey

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Ya I read 1st post but i'm still confused
My s3 shows..
0xf7

And in 1st post... it says 0xf1 is not safe...so just to be sure i asked...and....what's the difference betwen 0xf7 and 0xf1...
 

revo66

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I also have 0xf7 so I think im safe. But I want to root my phone and install the XperianZe or crDroid rom, can I just do that or do I need to flash new recovery, bootloader or kernel first? Are the fixes 'built in'?
 

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    **** SAMSUNG HAVE APPLIED A SUDDEN DEATH FIX VIA A SOFTWARE UPDATE****

    STOCK KERNEL: XXELKC AND NEWER

    STOCK RECOVERY: XXELKC AND NEWER

    ALSO ANY CUSTOM KERNEL AND RECOVERY THAT ARE BUILT FROM THE UPDATED SOURCES. THERE HAVE BEEN CASES OF SDS ON DEVICES THAT HAVE UPDATED BUT TO WHAT EXTENT THE DAMAGE WAS AT ALREADY BEFORE FLASHING WE DON'T KNOW.



    WHO'S AFFECTED?
    It seems that at the moment the only devices that have suffered from SDS are the 16GB version with:
    eMMC: VTU00M
    FW Rev: 0xF1


    To check your eMMC version download eMMC Brickbug Check from Google Play.
    What you want is the eMMC version and the FW Rev.



    THE FIX
    Samsung have now released a Sudden Death Fix via a patched Kernel and Recovery in latest firmware. Firmware Version: XXELKC

    Simply update OTA or download XXELKC firmware (or newer) from sammobile.com and flash using Odin.

    You need both the stock recovery and kernel installed for it to work properly, or a custom kernel and recovery built from the updated sources
    ie Latest Perseus Kernel and PhilZ Recovery are examples



    LINKS
    For more info about SDS, who could be effected and how to fix check out this awesome thread by rootSU

    For a detailed look at how the fix works check out this thread here.


    WARRANTY
    For those of you in Europe who have rooted your phone it appears that this doesn't void warranty. Check this thread for more info.
    Also this website could prove very handy for anyone with a European or UK handset that has died.
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    Just took a look at the diffs and i have to admit, i don't nearly get what this does. What are those "movi commands"? Where can one find a data-sheet to decode the magics? :(

    BTW, just took the kernel image from the WanamLite v5.3 CWM zip (that's what i am currently running), un-gz-ed it, and actually found the "movi operation is failed" error string in there. Good for me, i guess ;)

    AndreiLux, thanks A LOT for your research.
    You won't. These are HIGHLY proprietary to Samsung's storage people.

    I'd hazard a guess that it does - but I'd certainly like someone like Entropy to weigh in.
    Bah, I wish I could see what you quoted. As far as safety goes:
    90%+ chance that the change in Update7 is the fix.
    75% chance that XXELLA/4/etc have the fix (It's possible, but highly unlikely, that the string VTU00M would appear in the kernel without the fix.

    Is there a way to check if I already have any bad blocks on my eMMC?
    This isn't about bad blocks - this is about a firmware bug where a data structure gets suddenly corrupted. You can really only know "is it working" or "is it dead". The one exception seems to be that some people see odd performance issues just before death, similar to the issues people see when using PIT workarounds for Superbrick.

    Just as I said above, the low-level details of what's going on are HIGHLY proprietary to Samsung.
    The patch additionally checks that the firmware date is 2012/04/13 and only applies the commands then.

    So you need type: VTU00M revision: 0xf1 and internal firmware date of 2012/04/13 for the bug to have an effect. The date which eMMC brickbug checker reads is the production date as it seems.

    So there might be phones with VTU00M/0xf1 out there which are not affected, I don't know if that makes sense in regard that if the revision would even be the same then.
    Yeah. I'm wondering if we should add some printk()s to check what the date is. I'm curious if there are other dates floating around.

    No, the date shown in the eMMC app is the production date, the internal firmware date is something else and not possible to read out through normal methods.
    Correct, although we could add a printk to kernels to print out the info.

    eMMC app gives me: 05/2012
    but checking via the SSID gives me: 2012/06/09.
    So two different dates, but none of them is the internal firmware date, correct?
    Correct.

    Most phones died over night after charging. Since there are many defective chargers, can this be related to a faulty charger? For example, I have my sgs3 for about 6 months and a few days ago charging became very slow (didnt charge fully after whole night). I used HTC's charger and charging is nornal again. Ive seen that many sgs3 owners got problems with charger. Can some faulty chargers start charging very skow and others give too much electricty which burns internals?

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    No. Seriously - READ. It is at this point unambiguously an eMMC firmware failure that has NOTHING to do with the charger.

    The ONLY connection with charging is this: CHARGING HOLDS A WAKELOCK. This means the device will do various tasks in the background that it wouldn't do in deep sleep, some of which perform I/O cycles on the eMMC.

    The patch to the MMC driver discovered in the Update 7 sources released by Samsung performs a procedure that is nearly identical to the fix for another mmc firmware bug in a different samsung device.

    The patch also includes some character strings which can be searched for in the binary kernel of XXELLA, as when code is compiled, strings are left as they are.

    The kernel from the XXELLA firmware DOES include these strings, so it's probably safe to assume that the kernel includes the code that performs the in-RAM fix to the mmc firmware.

    The fact that some people have reported that they've experienced SDS on the XXELLA ROM is interesting - none have confirmed 100% that they had the XXELLA kernel running (to the best of my knowledge). This means that for some reason they may have been running another kernel that doesn't have the patch.
    So far all of them were running other kernels.

    It's just like the people who claimed they Superbricked on stock recovery. Turns out that in their eyes, fakeflashing CWM from stock recovery was still in some twisted way stock recovery... It wasn't.

    I'm still confused. Some posts say lla kernel is safe others say you need Perseus. So which one is it

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    Perseus is 90% guaranteed to be safe (I'm not claiming 100% without a detailed technical explanation from Samsung. Even then I'm not claiming 100%, just like I refuse to guarantee that nonsecure erase is safe on Superbrick-vulnerable devices even though Samsung claims it is... As a result anything I release has eMMC TRIM/ERASE completely disabled for those devices.
    ELLA/4/etc are 75%+ guaranteed to be safe - since we THINK they have the same patch

    If i understood it correctly, we have an assumption? that because similar code is implemented in kernels for similar problems in other samsung phones, so that means we have the same problem in S3.
    If this is true then all or almost all 16GB phones are affected, as i didnt saw a phone with different emmc.(maybe some new phones have newer revision?)
    We are talking then for millions S3's that are going to die?
    Maybe this code then doesnt have to do anything with the "SDS issue" and is more of a precaution or even testing trying to figure out the problem from Samsung?
    Samsung's storage guys have a wide variety of chips/models. VTU00M 0xf1 is primarily seen in I9300 units, and almost all 16GB I9300s except very recent ones have it. Some other devices have it, but it isn't nearly as prevalent in other devices. My Note 10.1 has MAG4FB I think (need to check again...) In addition, there appears to be some additional identifying information beyond VTU00M 0xf1 that we haven't had time to collect data on yet (and developers need to make kernel patches to even allow this data to be collected...)

    I think that it's combination is the solution.

    according to this from 1st post:

    ...Kernels >v31 and beyond stock LLA are now the only truly protected ones.

    Can someone confirm this?
    the key in that post is the word "now". That post was made yesterday - the patch has been making the rounds and is getting integrated

    Have you searched for it in older kernels? Why wouldn't that string appear also in those? If it does, then this means nothing.
    That's something that needs to be checked... However if it appears in older kernels Samsung was violating the GPL with them as I'm fairly certain it is nowhere within the source.

    Nothing can fix an SDS because the phone is already dead. :D
    But to prevent it, yes it seems. One of those at this moment.
    Just like Superbrick.

    Samsung haven't fixed the super brick bug yet :p

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    On a small subset of affected devices they have - I9100s in HK apparently have Jellybean and that has their official fix. But so far, nearly all affected devices are still on ICS and they only put the fix in JB kernels.

    Just did a emmc check and I found out that my fwrev is oxf7 and the date is 11/2012... But I got the same chip like otherss... :(

    So am I on a safer side?

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    Unknown. Often flaws like this are firmware-dependent.

    For example:
    VYL00M/KYL00M/MAG4FA fwrev 0x19 = Superbrick + 32kb-of-zeroes bug
    VYL00M/KYL00M/MAG4FA fwrev 0x25 = 32kb-of-zeroes bug only (immune to Superbrick)

    However for the above, we had confirmation from a trusted source (A Google engineer) that 0x19 had a bug with the symptoms we were seeing and that HE had seen it in GNex prototypes, and that 0x25 was "fixed" in regards to that bug (Superbrick). A fix for the bug in 0x25 is what led us to him.

    Theoretically if you have the same chip, you are candidate for sds sometime.... :(
    Not necessarily. I would put the status as "unknown". If you have VTU00M 0xf7 you're much less likely to have problems than 0xf1 - but with something like this guarantees cannot be made.

    Also: The fix patch was merged to CM10.1 source last night. So today's nightly should be safe. If it's not - no one is safe.
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    Will my i9305 die too, or only the i9300 is afected?
    If you have VTU00M fwrev 0xf1 flash, you are probably at risk. I9305 is too new to tell

    In today's SamMobile article, they say is a firm bug!!?????? In other words, sammy firm only have the bug?? If I use (no because my phone deaths on 12/27) aosp rom and custom kernel, bug not affect my device???
    No. In fact, there's nothing that indicates there is a bug in the bootloader/kernel/system firmware yet. Given the behavior of the problem and Samsung's past history, it's likely a bug in internal eMMC firmware (which can, at best be field-patched if it only involves a few bytes of microcode - major changes are not possible in the field.) This upcoming update likely contains a workaround for that eMMC bug.

    Look at the Superbrick bug - There was no underlying "bug" in any of Samsung's firmwares, except that they didn't block commands that would trigger a known bug in the underlying flash memory. Now, in any hardware without that bug, issuing secure erase commands is fine. The workaround for the bug is simple: Don't send secure erase commands to the damn chip.

    Is it true that all 16gigs phone will die soon one day?

    Sent from a better Galaxy designed for humans!
    Unknown. Right now any device with VTU00M flash is at risk - but how high the risk is we don't know.

    but Samsung says that will fix the issue with fw update.....or not?

    there is no fw going to write to the NAND?
    No one knows yet. If it's done in the kernel, we'll know EXACTLY what/how they fixed it and how to apply the fix to custom firmwares. If it's the bootloader, we won't know unless they explicitly states that they changed the bootloader to fix it. If it's in /system (HIGHLY unlikely) we might see something.

    Most likely place they'll fix this is the kernel with a variant of the Sumrall patch from last spring, OR an alteration to the MMC code in order to avoid doing something (we don't know what) that the chip doesn't like (this would be similar to how Superbrick is worked around). So far, every time Samsung has ever fixed or worked around an eMMC bug/defect, it's been in the kernel and not the bootloader. So everyone flashing this new bootloader is just making it more likely they'll be denied warranty support if their device dies.

    Yes the current btu release (today)apparently has sudden death fix via the bootloader.

    I recommend updating via pc odin as mobile odin won't fix the bootloader, Im already on samsung 4.1.2 release at christmas just downlaoding todays release.
    Bull****. You have ZERO evidence to substantiate this claim.

    so we can only wait for the new bootloader from Samsung .... :crying:
    And why do you think it's the bootloader? There's no evidence to say WHERE the fix will be applied because there isn't even any information about HOW the failures are occurring. Right now, I'd say it's most likely going to be a kernel fix.

    Yes but its like a chain reaction: if one component or sector dies mostly the other ones will follow. Freezes and hookups are those signs of hardware failure.

    As long if those symptoms doesnt apair you dont need to worry too much

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    If it's a wear leveller bug, there's a possibility fixed wear leveller firmware might "repair" damage to the internal data structures.

    Can someone please explain... if it's a wear leveler, and thats a part of eMMC (as opposed to software-only wear leveling), how is it even possible to update it? Can one possibly update the eMMC microcode ?!
    Search before posting. I posted an example of how this has been done to Samsung eMMC chips in the past only 1-2 days ago. (Search this thread for Sumrall...)

    Minor eMMC microcode updates can be done at runtime. It's fairly safe since it apparently patches the firmware after it has loaded into volatile memory (and hence a power cycle removes the patch if it's misapplied). This is what the Galaxy Nexus patch for VYL00M/KYL00M/MAG4FA fwrev 0x25 did.

    Major eMMC microcode updates can't be done so easily, which is why the underlying Superbrick flaw was never fixed.


    [KIES]I9300XXELLA 4.1.2->EXYNOS BUG FIXED!!S3 SUDDEN DEATH FIXED!!Jan.02,2013

    http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=2077844
    Don't make definitive claims you have no evidence to support.
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    Hi all,

    Assuming that there is no NAND degradation or similar and that SDS come for something specific, why over 90% of the deaths have come from the fourth month onwards? Why have not failed at 4 days or two weeks, for example? What is the secret component involved over time to fail?

    We will likely never know the specific secret component, but with knowledge of the behavior of eMMC, how it behaves, and how Samsung eMMCs have failed in the past, we can guess.

    The wear leveller keeps track of what memory blocks have been used and what haven't, and relocates blocks periodically to spread wear across the device. For example, if you write to the fourth block of the eMMC repeatedly, internally it'll map the fourth block to the 100th, then maybe the 150th, then 200th, etc...

    At some point, after a long time of operation, the wear leveller might reach a corner case where a bug is triggered - my guess would be an integer overflow or a signed vs. unsigned issue. For example, it's working with the 32767th instance of block 5, and tries to increment a counter to 32768 - but instead, gets -32768 instead because something is treating an unsigned int as signed. The next time it tries to work with that counter, BOOM - it crashes. Again, we don't know the exact nature of what's happening, but it's likely something along these lines.

    It's very similar to what happened with Superbrick on the GS2 - if you issued a secure erase command to erase memory that was in a certain specific state (I can't talk about what the exact state is, sorry... And no, there's no way to tell if the memory is in that state unless you're Samsung or you've Superbricked it.), the wear leveller would crash and leave behind corrupted data structures - any attempt to access these structures again would crash the wear leveller again. The symptom to the user was any attempt to access affected regions of the eMMC would cause the chip to hang.
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    Entropy512, thank you.
    How can you explain users that had XXELLA stock rom, and still suffered from SDS? There are more than one report of it.
    I have yet to see any such reports... The one report I've seen of an XXELLA failure was XXELLA system + Siyah.

    You are being unecessarilhy harsh here, especially considering that you are addressing people who are under the fear that their expensive phones will die on them suddenly. AdreiLux seems to be more skeptical regarding the possibility of the fix depending on the new bootloader as well. Calling names surely doesn't make you look smarter than the "idiots" who took a step -granted maybe rushed- towards a probable fix of a dreadful issue. And you may know much more than the average joe here, but you still have ZERO evidence that the new bootloader doesn't do anything at all that contributes to fixing the SDS, so you may have as well been nicer. Just my 2 cents.
    I have all of the evidence I need - I now have kernel source for a complete eMMC firmware patch. The fix is in the kernel, not in the bootloader. It's being patched in the EXACT same way as the GNex 32kb-of-zeros fix patch, which had zero bootloader involvement.

    The fact is that flashing a bootloader is a fundamentally dangerous operation, and flashing a bootloader with known regressions in functionality is 100% reckless and stupid.

    The fact is that Samsung has NEVER fixed a problem like this in the bootloader before. There was ZERO evidence pointing there. There was plenty of evidence (the GNex VYL00M/KYL00M/MAG4FA 0x25 patch) pointing to the fix being in the kernel when it came out.

    How come you knew that SDS is related to eMMC (and specifically version VTU00M) before samsung released their code? What led to this assumption?
    All of the symptoms and behavior pointed this way.
    1) Some devices were exhibiting "Superbrick-ish" behavior where certain eMMC regions were working and others were inaccessible
    2) It was ONLY happening on 16GB devices - this is the most obvious piece of evidence. If it weren't the eMMC, it would have been seen on 32/64GB devices
    3) It would be the third time in one year Samsung has ****ed up their wear leveller, their quality control is clearly crap in this regard.