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[GUIDE][Hard mod] Nexus 5's throttling solved by adding thermal paste.

7th December 2014, 03:56 AM   |  #31  
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I know this is an aging thread, but I thought I'd share some additional info, as I just did essentially this same thing to my Nexus with great results. Unfortunately, I did not see this thread before starting, if I had I would have taken baseline screen temperatures, since an increase there seems to be a concern. But, you'll see post-mod temps below.

Maybe it varies phone-to-phone, but there was NO thermal compound on the chip to start with, and it does not make contact with the metal frame directly above it. The chip is essentially insulated by air-gap, rather than sinked. Can't imagine why this was done, as it basically subjects the chip and adjacent components to very high temps, instead of subjecting the whole phone to moderate temps.

Can't see most of OP's pictures, and you may be able to guess why I couldn't take any pictures during the process, but it's really simple. There is a square indent in the frame where the main chip sits; I put a layer of thick copper foil in this to fill the air-gap. Then I put thermal compound on the main chip, as well as a thin layer on the metal shield surrounding it, as this shield contacts the frame. Also put a thin layer on the SIM holder, as this also touches the frame and may pull some heat away from other components (mostly was thinking of the flash LED when in torch mode, as it's directly opposite).

I ran Stability Test's classic test for 15 minutes to see before/after, with System Monitor running in background-process mode.

Before thermal treatment:
@5:00 - 40 successful runs
@10:00 - 74
@15:00 - 107
CPU temp leveled out at 80c pretty quickly

After Treatment:
@5:00 - 50 successful runs
@10:00 - 90
@15:00 - 131
CPU leveled out at 73c

Running Linaro kernel, so throttling is not stock. Ambient temp was 20c for both tests. According to IR thermometer, screen temp leveled out at 36c (at the top, bottom of screen is cooler) after the treatment. So, this mod results in heat being transferred to the whole phone, but the temps are not enough to damage anything, and will result in a much better environment at the main chip and surrounding components.

There you have it; ~20% increase in sustained work capacity for about 30 minutes of work. And yes, my Antutu score increased as well, but we all know we shouldn't care about that...
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18th March 2015, 10:27 PM   |  #32  
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Stock Lollipop 5.1. PVS 2. Encrypted.

17 C at home.

Franco kernel r72; default settings (Conservative CPU governor, Noop I/O scheduler, 70C CPU thermal threshold, Balance Performance profile)

ARTIC MX-4 Thermal compound (Carbon micro-particles). http://www.arctic.ac/eu_en/mx-4.html

AnTuTu Benchmark v5.6.2 (Stability test). ~39K on Test (Before and after)

System Monitor 1.4.3 (Flying monitor. CPU temperature)

BEFORE:
-Min: 26 C
-Max: 84 C
-Average: 61 C

AFTER:
-Min: 25 C (-1)
-Max: 83 C (-1)
-Average: 58 C (-3)

NOT IMPRESSED!!!

UPDATE:

But... What about BATTERY temperature???

Stability Test v2.7 (CPU + GPU Stability Test. 5 minutes):

BEFORE: From 20,5 C to 25,6 C (+5,1)

AFTER: From 29,7 C to 29,7 C (+0!!!)

IT SEEMS THAT HEAT FROM SoC DOES NOT TRANSMIT TO BATTERY!!!
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19th March 2015, 08:35 AM   |  #33  
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I was wondering why you think the screen heating up is a bad idea.. Doesn't it heat up even without the mod?..

The thing is, we cannot go against basic laws of physics, like energy conservation law. People expecting getting colder device with mod applied are wrong.
Actually, your device will be hotter since the amount of heat generated under the same conditions is the same, but it is more quickly transferred from internal components to device frame. And moreover, since this tricks throttling mechanism into being able to use higher CPU frequencies (since heat is more quickly removed from components where temp is measured), this automatically results in even more heat generated. Back frame is not able to absorb that amount by itself, that's why screen is getting hotter.
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20th March 2015, 12:59 AM   |  #34  
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That would be correct if the Phone would be constantly used for intense computing like a benchmark or stress test. But I think this mod is for the average use where the SOC gets a task where it has to do some demanding work and since SOCs are designed to do those tasks quikly and go back to sleep the SOC can do that without throttling and finishes that task
But if it is only for Benchmarking and constant intense tasks youre right. It is contraproductive for the whole Phone since more parts get worn out because of the transfer on other parts
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I can safely say that the mod has not worked. Idle temps before were around the 38-40C mark. After results are 43 idle.
Used Arctic Silver 5.
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