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Default Does anyone want PIE+Expanded Desktop/Immersive Mode?

One thing I've found tremendously rare when it comes to ROM development is the use of PIE when only in Expanded Desktop/Immersive mode.

Most ROM's here offering PIE and Expanded desktop allow you enable both at the same time, but don't allow you to toggle PIE on only when in Immersive Mode.

The only rom so far i've found is PA.

So why is it that all these roms are bundling PIE, like SlimPie, but are making it so even in expanded desktop, the navbar buttons are still visible and pie doesn't take over?

To me this feels like common sense, or is the case that most people don't like pie, or don't bother expanding their desktop?

 
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All the ROMs that include pie allow you to expand the desktop and remove the nav keys. Slim does for sure. SlimPIE is how PIE used to be when it was first developed by the PA team (pre-4.4).

PA first developed PIE, years ago. Since then Android has come such a long way that the use of PIE and its implementation has also evolved into something useful, when its needed. For instance, android never had "immersive mode" before 4.4, so initially PIE was thereto allow more use of your screen's real estate.

Some people liked how it was (see PA 3.99, which is not on the Nexus 5 because it's based on Jellybean), and for those SlimPIE and all the other ROMs that include it are there to use, but it's an old way of thinking and the PA team is about innovation.

Of course you can read about all this somewhere, I don't have a link though, I just remember cause I been around a while.
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I am using AOSP rom with gravity box. What I do is enable PIE, then the immers mode only hide statusbar. Then I set every diemnsion of the navbar to 0 px (width, height), because if I disable navbar the three dot menu button disappears from the apps. I set immersmode to only hide statusbar because in full immers if I swipe up from the bottom to activates PIE then the statusbar becomes visible which I do not want.
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One thing I've found tremendously rare when it comes to ROM development is the use of PIE when only in Expanded Desktop/Immersive mode.

Most ROM's here offering PIE and Expanded desktop allow you enable both at the same time, but don't allow you to toggle PIE on only when in Immersive Mode.

The only rom so far i've found is PA.

So why is it that all these roms are bundling PIE, like SlimPie, but are making it so even in expanded desktop, the navbar buttons are still visible and pie doesn't take over?

To me this feels like common sense, or is the case that most people don't like pie, or don't bother expanding their desktop?

I totally agree. I have no idea why ROMs that have Pie do not automatically switch to Pie when going into Immersive Mode. Everything is supposed to be about ease of use and swiping up to unhide the navbar and then touch the screen again to press a button is silly IMO. Also if you happen to be on a scrollable list or in an app with an up swipe gesture many times it'll trigger that too.

Anyways this can be accomplished on SlimKat using Chamber of Secrets. Someone had created a profile to be imported into Tasker on the thread.
Nexus 5 PandaTrooper on that SlimKat!!!

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All the ROMs that include pie allow you to expand the desktop and remove the nav keys. Slim does for sure. SlimPIE is how PIE used to be when it was first developed by the PA team (pre-4.4).

PA first developed PIE, years ago. Since then Android has come such a long way that the use of PIE and its implementation has also evolved into something useful, when its needed. For instance, android never had "immersive mode" before 4.4, so initially PIE was thereto allow more use of your screen's real estate.

Some people liked how it was (see PA 3.99, which is not on the Nexus 5 because it's based on Jellybean), and for those SlimPIE and all the other ROMs that include it are there to use, but it's an old way of thinking and the PA team is about innovation.

Of course you can read about all this somewhere, I don't have a link though, I just remember cause I been around a while.
Thanks for explaining this, it makes sense. I wish roms had the latest version of PIE instead, if not, I wish they added an option to simply disable nav bar instead of pie when you set both to appear bottom of screen. Unlike current behaviour which is to disable pie at bottom when navbar is also at bottom.

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I am using AOSP rom with gravity box. What I do is enable PIE, then the immers mode only hide statusbar. Then I set every diemnsion of the navbar to 0 px (width, height), because if I disable navbar the three dot menu button disappears from the apps. I set immersmode to only hide statusbar because in full immers if I swipe up from the bottom to activates PIE then the statusbar becomes visible which I do not want.
If I understand right, doesn't this mean that you have to use pie regardless of immersive mode or not? I am looking to have it toggle on when immersive is on and off when immersive is off.

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I totally agree. I have no idea why ROMs that have Pie do not automatically switch to Pie when going into Immersive Mode. Everything is supposed to be about ease of use and swiping up to unhide the navbar and then touch the screen again to press a button is silly IMO. Also if you happen to be on a scrollable list or in an app with an up swipe gesture many times it'll trigger that too.

Anyways this can be accomplished on SlimKat using Chamber of Secrets. Someone had created a profile to be imported into Tasker on the thread.
A profile for tasker that automates toggling nav bar off and pie on, only when in immersive mode and then nav bar on again and pei off when out of immersive mode?


I am just glad PA has what I want and even better now with Peek and Hover being added too. But I do miss simple things from other roms, such as certain toggles, dpi changes etc. Although ive managed to find apps/widgets to replace those functionalities. I simply opened the thread because I thought it was rather strange.
 
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A profile for tasker that automates toggling nav bar off and pie on, only when in immersive mode and then nav bar on again and pei off when out of immersive mode?

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Yes. It reads a system intent and then changes to Pie based on the system ui change. I don't have mine set up like that personally. I only use Expanded mode on certain apps or when the phone is in landscape mode on certain apps, etc. and have profiles set to kill the nav bar and enable expanded desktop mode. I just always leave bottom pie enabled and once the navbar is removed pie comes into play. Works perfectly.
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Yes. It reads a system intent and then changes to Pie based on the system ui change. I don't have mine set up like that personally. I only use Expanded mode on certain apps or when the phone is in landscape mode on certain apps, etc. and have profiles set to kill the nav bar and enable expanded desktop mode. I just always leave bottom pie enabled and once the navbar is removed pie comes into play. Works perfectly.
That is true, because of the way PIE is disabled when Nav Bar exists, it means you shouldn't have to have an option to disable PIE also when you leave Immersive.

I just wish every rom had an option to enable PIE action to copy PA
 
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Exactly, you'll find while other ROMs have a ton of features, PAs is the most elegant implementation. It may take a little longer cause they're rewriting everything from scratch but it'll be well worth it..as is evidenced by this latest release.

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