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[Q] CM9 with INT2EXT+: GooglePlay download problems

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1st October 2014, 11:47 PM   |  #11  
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Hallo csoulr666,
are you still there?
Would be so nice to get a feedback from you.
Or are you helpless now as well?...
2nd October 2014, 01:32 PM   |  #12  
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thank you vrey much, csoulr666, for answering !!

Unfortunately there are still answer details left...
To 1: What is it that makes the space bigger? Isn't it just the data part which normally is very low? (s. http://www.xda-developers.com/androi...-d2ext-int2ext) So I suppose that there would be no big win of space with INT2EXT instead of INT2EXT+. What do you say?
1b.) How can I measure/read and estimate the left telephon space which is too small/missing in my case? (you know, all my storage values are okay currently but I have this problem anyway!)
1c.) What happens if I move apps to SD card by Options/Apps although INT2EXT+ is working?... And can this help?
T0 2: Again, could you please explain why exactly the speed reduction appears? I don't understand this. (isn't the data part of an app also loaded in the fast RAM when started. So isn't it more a question of available RAM than speed?...)
To 3: This is very bad news. It would mean much work for me if I really had to reinstall the ROM.
So are you pretty sure? Did you try already? I e.g. could imagine that there might be an extra transfer/exchange script from the author. Or a script exchange is already supported by the scripts. Oe.
See, the INT2EXT would also move the data part. So as this is NOT done yet (INT2EXT+) the new script (INT2EXT) would just have to complete this by moving them also to SD. I would imagine that this should work, shouldn't it?
3b.) Do you know where the script is located?... And shouldn't a new flash just overwrite it (both are very simular anyway!)? (maybe it can be done manually as well??...)
To 4: Isn't that strange? How can that happen? Why do you say 'sometimes'? Own experiences?
What can be the reason for this sometime problem?... How can I double-check that? Or is there maybe any option necessary to say the system to re-read the storage values?... Or... Who else can I ask?

Which phone do you have and which scripts did you try already?
If you cannot answer some questions... Can I reach the writer of the INT2EXT scripts maybe?... (if I may write him under cronic_corey@hotmail.com ?...)

1. What happens is that the internal memory is moved and linked to the 2nd partition you created on the SDcard. The scripts vary on the basis of what parts of the memory(system files, data files) are being transferred and how it is transferred to the EXT partition.
1b. I can't seem to estimate the storage left in any way I tried, so can't help you there.
1c. This COULD help, but I'm not quite sure about that.
2. The SDcard has a slower speed as compared to the Flash memory on your phone. INT2EXT+ tends to rectify this by leaving the app data(/data/data) on the internal memory. So if the app data size reaches close to the actual internal memory, you will get low memory errors.
3. As I mentioned in 1 above, the scripts vary on how the linking is done, so it would only make it worse if you just remove the script and add a new one.
3b. The scripts are located in "/system/etc/init.d". See 3 above for the rest of the answer.
4. I have never been able to find the solution to the problem, too much apps, script causing problems.......... I don't know.
My phones are mentioned in the Signature. I have tried nearly every EXT script(Link2sd, INT2EXT,INT2EXT+, mount2sd etc) with the WFS.
11th October 2014, 11:20 AM   |  #13  
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thank you again for your good and detailed explanations and your patience!!

To 1): Okay, thank you anyway. In average it seems as if the limitation ist just about 700 MB for WFS. And if all data files are transferred to the SD card the internal storage will not be filled at all, right? So the space for downloaded apps seems to be limited only by the size of the SD card, right? Remark: Would be perfect if it could be selected during app installation where the data sector of the app should be transferred to. But this does not seem to be possible by a script, is it?...
To 2): Okay, that's what I know - the much slower SD card. I mean how can I estimate if an app which uses data files needs to access them often or not?... Would be good if I could estimate that before I use/choose an app.
To3): Okay, understand. However I did it, overwriting the old script. Booting was possible but there was no change at all.

4.) You wrote that you tried so many scripts... So which is your conclusion? Which INT2EXT script do you use today?...
4b.) And is there any reason why there is no script INT2EXTV2 (without '+')? Cause I would like to use Linux swap and need more than 750 MB memory for my downloaded apps.
Or where can I get this script maybe ?...

Another problem I have...
5.) I tried to install the actual CM11 (cm-11-20141004-NIGHTLY-marvel) with INT2EXT but I cannot boot again after I additionally flashed GAPPS (Gapps-KK-4.4.0-Signed): endless loading. (I followed the original installation instruction!!)
How can that be? I suppose that the reason is that my storage size for the system part is too low. But the email app is already missing in this ROM... Isn't that strange? Did this happen to you as well already?... What can I do?...
5b.) Now I am in the situation that I can choose between CM9, CM10 and CM11. Which one would you suggest most?
Remark: CM11 seems to make problems and e.g. its storage management does not work: at 'Android options/storage' it does not show the sizes (endless calculation...), launcher is more circumstancial, etc. Up to now I used CM9 which worked quite well - but it is old. Maybe CM10?...
Or isn't it the most actual one? How can I find?...

Thank you again for your good feedback!!
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13th October 2014, 04:36 PM   |  #14  
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thank you again for your good and detailed explanations and your patience!!

To 1): Okay, thank you anyway. In average it seems as if the limitation ist just about 700 MB for WFS. And if all data files are transferred to the SD card the internal storage will not be filled at all, right? So the space for downloaded apps seems to be limited only by the size of the SD card, right? Remark: Would be perfect if it could be selected during app installation where the data sector of the app should be transferred to. But this does not seem to be possible by a script, is it?...
To 2): Okay, that's what I know - the much slower SD card. I mean how can I estimate if an app which uses data files needs to access them often or not?... Would be good if I could estimate that before I use/choose an app.
To3): Okay, understand. However I did it, overwriting the old script. Booting was possible but there was no change at all.

4.) You wrote that you tried so many scripts... So which is your conclusion? Which INT2EXT script do you use today?...
4b.) And is there any reason why there is no script INT2EXTV2 (without '+')? Cause I would like to use Linux swap and need more than 750 MB memory for my downloaded apps.
Or where can I get this script maybe ?...

Another problem I have...
5.) I tried to install the actual CM11 (cm-11-20141004-NIGHTLY-marvel) with INT2EXT but I cannot boot again after I additionally flashed GAPPS (Gapps-KK-4.4.0-Signed): endless loading. (I followed the original installation instruction!!)
How can that be? I suppose that the reason is that my storage size for the system part is too low. But the email app is already missing in this ROM... Isn't that strange? Did this happen to you as well already?... What can I do?...
5b.) Now I am in the situation that I can choose between CM9, CM10 and CM11. Which one would you suggest most?
Remark: CM11 seems to make problems and e.g. its storage management does not work: at 'Android options/storage' it does not show the sizes (endless calculation...), launcher is more circumstancial, etc. Up to now I used CM9 which worked quite well - but it is old. Maybe CM10?...
Or isn't it the most actual one? How can I find?...

Thank you again for your good feedback!!

1) I think so, but considering not much of the files are transferred, it will make a slight difference instead of a big one. And no, all the scripts I know of do not provide the option to select the sector to install to during the installation of an app. That would actually defeat the purpose of the script to be easy to use. Beginners will have a hard time if they are provided with millions of options.

2) I don't think you can estimate that. You will then need to create estimates for every kind of app(and there are a LOT kinds of them)

3) Overwriting a script with another would either not work or will cause problems.

4)I was using INT2EXT4 recently but will not use anymore scripts because the WFS isn't my primary device anymore. So I don't require much apps to be installed on it.
4b) You will have to ask the developer of the scripts that. He will clear you on that more.

5) That could be because of the Gapps, what was the size of the Gapps you installed? If you are using the one from Goo.im or PA's site then you need to switch to a lite version of Gapps.
5b) I personally use CM9 or CM10.1 if I want stability. CM10 has it's fair share of bugs since it hasn't received as much time as the CM 9 and 10.1. In then end it is upto you to decide which ROM suits you more.
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to 1.) I think Link2SD is supporting this (selected data location)... It is easy to handle (you decide once just before installation of an app)!
to 4.) Have you been satisfied with INT2EXT4 ? Maybe it is not my last change from EXT3 to EXT4, I don't know... But my CM11 version now runs in some way unstable. S. below.
to 4b.) I asked Croniccorey already but unfortunately he did not answer yet...
to 5.) Gapps-KK-4.4.0-Signed is said to be already a lite version. So I cared for that. The size: 15.2 MB. Is that okay? If so then we have a strange problem here, don't we?
Meanwhile I did the following: I did not flash both (Rom AND INT2EXT4 script) within one boot as advised everywhere. And this time GooglePlay suddenly appeared. It seems to be included in the Rom but before (Rom and script in ONE boot) did definitly NOT appear. Strange, isn't it?...
So this time it was not necessary to flash GAPPS so that this problem was shipped around.

But this CM11 with INT2EXT4 (before CM9 and INT2EXT+ which was quite fast and stable (but limited to 720 MB Apps)) is not that stable AND boots at least double the time than CM9!!
During installation/configuration of CM11 and lots of apps there were a lot of crashes. E.g. I started Skype four times or GoogleMaps twice (after installation) before they did not crash during their start.
I wanted to give up already but after all that it now the apps which need big resources run acceptable.
Now they crash only when there are too much processes at one time. E.g. if more than 4 pictures of WhatsApp (which s.o. has sent to me) are loaded. Or if there is a heavy background process running and I scroll some content of another app.
I doubt if this is what you ment with unstable (of CM11)!?

6.) Do you have any idea where this kind of unstability comes from?...
And which kind of unstability did you realise at CM11?...

But again, maybe it is just my change from EXT3 to EXT4. Maybe I did not select the right settings, like cluster size, ...!?
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would be perfect if you or s.o. else would comment my experiences soon.
I really don't know right now what is normal here and what I would have to accept so far...
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meanwhile I could answer my questions and problems by myself by long tries, as nobody seemed to know it here...
To 1.) Yes, Link2SD seems to be just the same as INT2EXT scripts (but here you need to pay for a none-'+'-version: app data are only linked to SD with Link2SD plus version) but you can control at each installed app if also app DATA are moved to SD or not. And you have a comfortable UI where you can manage everything. You can even switch off the linking. At INT2EXT there is no chance: if you want to change anything you have to reinstall your whole ROM !!
To 2.) I could not realise a very remarkable reduction of speed between INT2EXT4+ and INT2EXT4. Sometimes the start or change of apps (taskmanager) was a bit slower. So if you use a class 10 SD card and you want no app installation limitations I suggest not to use the INT2EXT plus version. Maybe the solution is LINK2SD anyway!...
To 3.) The perfect solution here is the app Link2SD (s. GooglePlay).
To 4.) My CM11 ROM now runs stable. Solution: I reinstalled it and flashed it with 'SuperWipeMarvelEdition' first. Really unbelievable but that helped!
To 5.+6.) Also these problems were solved with 'SuperWipeMarvelEdition'. Now the flashing of GAPPS worked fine.
To 5b.) My CM11 version runs also quite well. It might be a bit slower but not much. But it is quite big and lots of system functions are missing. E.g. Google Weather & News, Email, Talk, etc. Its GAPPS is too small. An INT2EXT PLUS version is impossible here as you have just 30 MB internal storage left! You have to search for all the apps and install them additionally. Unfortunately I could not find any pool where all those missing apps are collected for download. Very sad! Does anybody know?... (what I found only: http://forum.xda-developers.com/show....php?t=1917411 )

Point 4b) I still could not answer. Nobody seems to know and Croniccorey unfortunately does not give any life sign...
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