[ROM][4.3][ CM 10.2.] Unofficial CM 10.2 for Galaxy Note II (N7100)

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b_randon14

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Wow really? And I'm sure you are the go to guy when it comes to java right. Like you got your masters in computer engineering from MIT. And I guess you have never built nor maintained an unofficial ROM before because its obviously not just repo sync and the build. I mean yeah most of the work on the n7100 has been done but that doesn't mean pulser is just setting back with his bash script to repo sync then build the n7100 ROM. I love how your post gets a bunch of likes for trying to make a mockery of what I said. Birds of a feather right?

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mrjayviper

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Wow really? And I'm sure you are the go to guy when it comes to java right. Like you got your masters in computer engineering from MIT. And I guess you have never built nor maintained an unofficial ROM before because its obviously not just repo sync and the build. I mean yeah most of the work on the n7100 has been done but that doesn't mean pulser is just setting back with his bash script to repo sync then build the n7100 ROM. I love how your post gets a bunch of likes for trying to make a mockery of what I said. Birds of a feather right?

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his suggestion for the fork seems the best idea if pulser_g2 is not liking the direction the ROM base is going to? it is still their ROM and no one is paying them to maintain it.
 

Lupe Fiasco

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Wow really? And I'm sure you are the go to guy when it comes to java right. Like you got your masters in computer engineering from MIT. And I guess you have never built nor maintained an unofficial ROM before because its obviously not just repo sync and the build. I mean yeah most of the work on the n7100 has been done but that doesn't mean pulser is just setting back with his bash script to repo sync then build the n7100 ROM. I love how your post gets a bunch of likes for trying to make a mockery of what I said. Birds of a feather right?

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Basically what he's trying to say is, Instead of complaining to CM why don't you just ask Pulser to do something instead.

Also, from looking at his threads I can say he prob knows his stuff, at least more than you from the look of it.
 
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b_randon14

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I never said I knew more than anyone. All I see is a bunch of people hating on pulser and I was trying to defend him.

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mrjayviper

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I never said I knew more than anyone. All I see is a bunch of people hating on pulser and I was trying to defend him.

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why don't you encourage pulser_g2 to fork CM instead if he truly feels it's not going the same way he's comfortable with? o_O

all the source is there for him to play with
 
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You're right, it takes a special type of elite-ness to git revert commits hahaha

BUT I do agree with you, this stuff has gone on long enough.

Hate to sound like a broken record but the fact that this thread has gone this long shows more hypocrisy on the part of XDA.

You guys all know that if any thread not belonging to an admin would of gone almost 10 pages of complaining and useless chatter, a moderator would of been here telling us all to STFU and get back on topic blah blah blah issue a "last warning" and would of deleted all our posts........BUT again, hypocrisy wins

Is a shame, I was actually beginning to believe that XDA was changing it's ways.....guess the only thing that's true is that only a few moderators follow the same rules they enforce :/

ya, why none of the moderators came here to tell us to stop those unrelated arguments and focus on the development things? (including mine):p
 
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To topic: I do have some strange BT problems.
Somewhen, if I reconnect my headset... and make a call... it just crashes... first, the call seems ok, but no audio ...when I press the disconnect, it crashes. battery removing was currently the most successfull solution,

I too have this issue. Seems to be same with couple other Android 4.3 Roms, and very intermittent so it had been impossible for me to get a logcat

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crypta

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Nice, how the haters always say the same, thank themself, so they don't feel so alone, ignore glitches and paradox messages within their own words, reducing the whole concept of doing thing to "just run the scripts".
Who of you CM defender fanboys invested some time in best practise CI? Who invested some time in history and current politics? Social and human behavior?
The discussion already stopped, if you want to exchange the thank counters, use your older posts. Everything is said and it won't change anything to write it the 4th time down.
Go, play somewhere else!
 

pulser_g2

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Nobody in the last 10 pages or so, has actually come up with an alternative to this "problem". Pulser did nothing but throw CM under the bus then argue about how they're going down the wrong path. All his co-signers just tagged on to what he said.

I have a number of solutions to these problems, and am working on them :)

I've justified why they are going down the wrong path, and a huge number of people agree. Anyway that's over, I will seek to address the issue of direction, so that you have choice here between a ROM that is clearly intended to be for the "masses" (and thus comply with every whim of Google, like "no writing to external storage"), and a ROM that is intended for the power user.

I've never agreed with the CM philosophy of "someone might use this feature and make something unintended happen" - custom ROMs are for power users. While CM want to make their ROM for the mainstream, I have no intention to. A power user has enough basic knowledge to enable something, and if he doesn't like it, disable it... If it causes issues, he'll disable it and remember "OK, that wasn't what I wanted"

There's no reason to remove the freedom of choice from the end user.

And finally to those saying "shut up, stop complaining", I will quote a user on reddit;

Actually, the post reads like someone whos pissed off about the changes being made. This is good considering he likely wouldn't have brought these things up publicly if he was NOT upset.

Transparency is key. CM have responded to the claims, and have declined to "deny" them on each occasion, giving PR-style responses. It's not hard to deny them and say "that's nonsense, we'd never do that", but then when they do, all hell shall break loose.

In the meantime, I advise against using CM Accounts until they are subject to more review (as CM themselves say), as I believe there to be a number of issues with the design of the system, which could put a user at risk if his/her phone were stole (given it's intended partly as an anti-theft wipe tool)
 

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So... Here are my conclusions. Please feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.

1. Pulser is a good guy, he's no terrorist, whiny little girl, bomber.
2. CM is not a terrorist organisation.
3. It's 21st century and people still say "you're" instead of "your".

JUST STOP!! X(

Please open separate thread for this discussion or change the title. I really am annoyed with this. I don't care about the rumors about CM! When I open this thread I want to read about Pulsers Rom and his (in my opinion) brilliant progress, nothing else.

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Formhault

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JUST STOP!! X(

Please open separate thread for this discussion or change the title. I really am annoyed with this. I don't care about the rumors about CM! When I open this thread I want to read about Pulsers Rom and his (in my opinion) brilliant progress, nothing else.

Actually, with that post, I was trying to draw a line to that issue.

Meaning... full stop on the "oh you, CM" thing. Do we all agree? And let @pulser_g2 get on with what he wants to implement in his builds and... provide us with CM10.2 goodies :)

In other words : back on (initial) topic...
 

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Posting in general after reading back several pages, not at anyone specifically, although less specifically at some than others.

If OP's post on licensing code for commercial use is true, it is alarming.

Cyanogen have been the original modders rom since the G1. We all know this. Hell, I installed G1 based builds on my HTC Kaiser. You'll see that although my post count is low, I have been here since original winmob days.

Although I am not involved in this area of development, merely a user, I am involved in other open source areas. The familiar call of "if you don't agree with it, then why don't you do it" is no stranger to me. Criticism of critics in this way is generally used against people who don't know what they're talking about. It's quite clear that pulser_g2 cannot be accused of this.

Calling a long standing senior XDA developer and admin out and telling them that a normal member would have been censured for the same post is ludicrous. With responsibility comes a voice. Same goes for suggesting that this forum has secret forums that not every user can access. No ****. Show me a forum that doesn't.

For what it's worth, I scratched my head as to why the advanced menu was missing on my n7100, at first assuming it was down to an early build, with missing support - not using this 4.3 build, by the way, another CM based one. I thought I'd done something wrong! Much googling ensued.

A deliberate decision to remove this seems strange. I mean - specifically removing a feature that makes the experience on Samsung phones really nasty? Samsung, the minor OEM? Justification for this particular removal is hard to imagine. Samsung phones without mDNIe just look nasty, like a TV with colour saturation turned up full. This is a major reason for me, personally, to flash stock off. Why remove it? Don't like it - fine - don't use it. More likely - don't notice - you're probably still on stock.

Could *I* code a replacement? No, I certainly could not. Am I sad to see a senior XDA dev and admin singling one CM dev out like yet? Yes, I am. Do I underestimate the significance of that post? No, I do not.
 

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    Alas, ladies and gents... The Cyanogenmod team have managed to surpass even themselves in misdirection and disorganisation. I honestly am surprised just how absurdly short-sighted they are. Seriously. In fact, I would like to suggest that anyone who feels strongly about this lets them know about it as loudly as they deem necessary.

    There is one individual, Ricardo Cerqueira (aka arcee), who seems to have single-handedly decided to go and remove huge sets of features from CM. Particularly device specific ones, under the auspices of "tidying up the settings menu". Sure, by all means have a go, but don't REMOVE functionality in the process... If you must do it, do it a step at a time - remove the features from "Advanced" as they are created into the new menu.

    By way of example, recent builds have removed the Advanced menu, offering you amongst other gems, the ability to change HSPA/HSDPA/HSUPA modes, as well as to disable the incredibly annoying button backlights on the soft keys on the note 2. Oh, and the ability to remove Samsung's garishly over-saturated colours of the AMOLED screen.

    All this comes from the same individual who denied Mako (nexus 4) users many advanced options, because of his own personal dislike of the "Advanced" menu. While I cannot find any public acknowledgement of this, Nexus 4 users were denied many features and tweaks due to his maintainership of the device, and there are countless occurences where his own dislike has emerged in private, hidden discussions, that you are being kept from... Such as, for example,

    him said:
    There's a difference between changing the devices, and putting DeviceParts in there. I hate the whole concept of DP, and will not deploy it into a device of mine; I am, however, willing to step down as mako's maintainer if that becomes a problem.

    and

    him said:
    It's no secret that I have a very strong dislike for our current concept of "device parts" apps

    Want some more proof? He was told about all these features on our devices.

    +Ricardo Cerqueira You should have a look at galaxys2-common/smdk4412-common DeviceParts. We have HSDPA settings, vibrator, mDNIE Mode/Scenario, touch sensitivity, audio dock, sensor calibration, and a few others.

    And here's his reply:

    him said:
    Heh. Almost all of those are a examples of why DeviceParts should die. Kitchen sink much? Touch sensititivy, really? Just because you can do something doesn't necessarily mean you should :p

    This was met with another reply from another sensible developer, pointing out the need for these features.

    I can vouch for touch sensitivity on Acer A700 though.
    1) Stock comes with it - being feature-complete
    2) The stock sensitivity setting sucks in some cases, I've added an kind-of-overclock "Very high" setting which helps, but we obviously don't want to ship with that as default.
    Galaxy S also has HSDPA setting which is known (or at least believed by users) to have substantial affect battery life. mDNIe because some users prefer screen post-processing on (stock Galaxy S) and some prefer them off (stock Nexus S).

    Ask yourself - why were users not made aware of this discussion? Why were these changes decided by one man on his own personal crusade? Why was there no consultation carried out before his own personal dislike was imposed upon us all?

    Alas though, these discussions take place in secret, behind closed doors, which you and I do not see, because we are not felt "worthy" to see what happens there. Have no fear though, for I shall expose each and every one of these things, including the upcoming commercialisation of CM.

    Yes, that's right... You heard me right - CM are attempting to now licence all new contributions as dual GPL and commercial licence. Why? To allow them to go on and sell the rights to the open source code to third parties. And one of their own "leads" even tried to strong-arm a valued contributor into re-licencing his work. I had to step in there, and point out they actually had no right to do so, as the contributor agreement doesn't cover that eventuality. Nonetheless, his attitude was frankly horrendous, TELLING the contributor it would be relicensed, not asking permission. That's gone quiet for now though. The reason they want to be able to licence the code commercially? To allow them to sell YOUR contributions to a third party, such as an OEM or carrier, who wants the features, but doesn't want to follow the open source licence of a GPL component.

    They're also selling out and going commercial - there's rumours around the internet, but a little bit of smart thinking will lead you to the answers.

    Unfortunately, due to CM now trying to be as secretive as possible, you probably won't see any of this elsewhere. They are making every effort to be as closed as possible in their structure, and decision making processes. That means you, the user, are running code where the changes are arbitrarily decided with no input by yourself, beyond the "false" pretence of their gerrit instance.

    There are significant contributions made to CM which bypass their gerrit code review (mainly upstream merges), but also other large pushes. There is also the "submit and +2" mentality from their leads, where their own contributions are beyond testing, and should be pushed immediately, often leading to breakages.

    There is a lot more going on, and I will expose more and more of it. Please encourage your beloved CM people to have a look at this. Also, let them know that their "secrets" are not safe, since they are ridiculously easy to find on the internet. So if they try to stop me finding things out, I will simply share more and more with the world. Fair is fair, right? The less open CM are, the more open I will be. When you're running code on your device, you expect the developers to be open, upfront, and honest with you, right? Is that happening?

    What does this all mean? Well, there won't be any new "upstream" builds for a while, until I resolve a few issues such as the major removal of important features, thus crippling CM from being usable. I need to figure out what to do, whether it's re-adding them, or rewriting the settings to work properly. It will be worth it in the long run though! Trust me on that ;) I might introduce some more #nicethings :)

    Finally, if any of the CM leads wish to engage in a dialogue about this, feel free. You can do so, in public, here because the public trust you in running your code, so why not trust them in return? Or is this a trustless relationship? Perhaps your users should stop trusting you?

    More to follow ;)
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    It appears there is a new CM on the way... And it appeared it wasn't available for the Note 2... And that made me disappointed, so I set out to put that right.

    4.3 is a small update from 4.2. Unfortunately, Google also decided to change almost everything about filesystem mounting. And Samsung exynos devices are a hotchpotch of everything...

    Today, xplodwild and I carried out a war of attrition against the nasty Samsung devices. Firstly, there remains a battle-scar in the form of graphics, where we had to disable the ability of the device to screenshot itself. You'll see this in the lack of thumbnails for your long-press-home task switcher. #Blame-Samsung

    Storage was a nightmare, but I have finally beaten it into submission. It should now work. Nicely. And properly. At least for now.

    Because open source is wonderful, a VERY messy device tree (commits need squashed etc) - https://github.com/pulser/android_device_samsung_n7100/

    I suggest a wipe before flashing, but I have tested from 4.2.2 and should be OK actually, maybe some apps will cry, but that's not my problem :)

    Link: http://goo.im/devs/pulser/N7100/CM/cm-10.2-20130810-UNOFFICIAL-n7100.zip

    Pretty much everything is working and tested - you shouldn't have any issues getting it to boot. The other version posted appears it may have issues booting, but I was not aware of its existence until just now. Actually, seems there's no link in the other thread, give this a shot, and see if it helps you. There's a lot of issues on Exynos devices when doing any kind of update... Sneeze and it might explode!

    XDA:DevDB Information
    Unofficial CM 10.2 for Galaxy Note II (N7100), a ROM for the Samsung Galaxy Note II

    Contributors
    pulser_g2, CM Team
    ROM OS Version: 4.3.x Jellybean
    ROM Kernel: Linux 3.0.x
    Based On: CM 10.2

    Version Information
    Status: Alpha
    Current Stable Version: N/A
    Current Beta Version: 10 August
    Beta Release Date: 2013-08-10

    Created 2013-07-30
    Last Updated 2013-08-10
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    @pulser_g2

    You know, I can't help but to think what would YOU or another moderator or XDA staff member say if this same exact post http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=44746084&postcount=548 was made by a junior member with less then 10 posts?

    I'm sure I would see replies like....

    Quit complaining you troll or If you don't like it, go make your own ROM or just straight up bashing.....OR maybe the entire post will just disappear and that member would get a warning/infraction....who knows!

    With that said, I also can't help but to see the hypocrisy that's taking place here!

    I've been on XDA for a while and I've seen similar posts like this made by several dozen members only to have them either removed or force that user to just say F it and remove it themselves because of the negative feedback that they got.

    BUT....here we are and you, an Admin and RD made a post just like those that were removed in the past YET you got 60+ thanks and NOT one person has dared to tell you to quit complaining or go make your own ROM.

    No sign of a moderator or a fellow Admin or NOTHING....

    I mean, believe it or not...CyanogenMod doesn't report to XDA.

    Is their ROM. If they want to remove everything and anything.....is their ROM! Simple as that!!

    BUT here's where the real problem lies...By you saying "I would like to suggest that anyone who feels strongly about this lets them know about it as loudly as they deem necessary" that's no better then someone trying to start drama by saying "If you don't agree with something, let's rate their thread 1 star and let them know" or whatever

    The way I'm seeing this and maybe others might of seen this but are afraid to say anything is that you're using your title and authority to get people to turn on CM, specifically Ricardo Cerqueira. That to me is BS! Especially since you're an Admin......you're suppose to know better!

    NOW, I ask you.....isn't that the total definition of being a hypocrite? You doing something that your staff punishes others for doing?

    How are you as an Admin suppose to issue infractions and come down on people for things that you yourself are doing?

    Maybe this post will get deleted or HELL....maybe I'm the one that will received the negative feedback but I'm tired of seeing this happen on XDA time after time after time!

    Is really just BS! You as an Admin, are able to speak out and actually start drama BUT if a junior member that NOBODY knows of was to do the same exact thing......he or she would get their ass torn up!

    I honestly think that as an Admin you should NOT be trying to start drama and getting people to turn on CyanogenMod just because you're unhappy with a decision that is made or going to be made in THEIR ROM....an open source ROM.

    Just my 2 cents....
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    Those decisions were probably met because those are hacks, not features. CM grew from a slob of hacks to a mature project.

    The trouble is, they're not hacks... Samsung includes MDNIE colour profiling in its own ROMs. Likewise they include a feature to disable the soft key lights or adjust the timeout (I personally hate them).

    But the whole idea is that even Samsung gives you the choice of what you want - there's no need for one person to select what he feels is the best - a default is picked and others simply adjust that setting.

    Personally, I intend to reintroduce this feature for colour calibration, but default to the most natural and accurate colour reproduction. Of course those who want the AMOLED colours can get them by picking an option. But colours viewed should be more life like, and accurately reproduced, out of the box.

    The point is user choice - there is a big trend of CM towards the "apple way" - someone else makes your decisions for you, and you're stuck with them...

    Is that why any of us are here on XDA?
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    there are countless occurences where his own dislike has emerged in private, hidden discussions, that you are being kept from...
    Ask yourself - why were users not made aware of this discussion?

    You mean like the moderators in the secret moderator forum, the developers in the hidden developer forum, and even the news writers in their secret news writers forum...all making decisions with little to no input from the every day users on XDA?

    Come on man, I get that you're pissed off here, but at least make a point that doesn't make you sound so...hypocritical.

    *You decide who gets banned and who doesn't in secret moderator forums where no average user has ever been. Why isn't anyone made privy to those discussions?

    *The countless development discussions in the secret developer forums that none of us normal people have EVER been a part of. You get mad at CM for having private, hidden discussions...then you have a whole hidden forum for your devs to do the exact same thing.

    *The XDA design decisions, rule decisions, etc are all done by like a maximum of 4-6 people.

    If you're going to sit there and try to tell all these people that you, yourself, aren't having hidden discussions with other XDA devs in the hidden dev forum about this very incident (and probably another one in the secret moderator forum for that matter) without letting everyone in on it, then forgive me for saying so, but you're full of crap dude. You guys plot behind closed doors more than most governments. Not to mention all the horrible things I've seen you people say about the average user on XDA (and everywhere else for that matter).

    I used to be behind those doors and the only thing I walked out of those doors feeling proud about was that I was the only person in any forum back there that put the 5.5 million people in these forums first and you guys didn't. Geez man, find another way to complain.