[APP][4.1+] 8sms: Android 4.4 KitKat / CyanogenMod 10.2 stock messaging with extras

SirBlackBeard · Apr 8, 2014

Something Is Up

bengtan said:
Hi,

At the moment, there is no collection at all.

I thought I'd keep my options open and, in the future, maybe put in some analytics to help me improve the app.

However, if this is causing concern to users, or if they would rather I not put analytics into 8sms, then I can change the policy to say there is no collection at all.

What do others think?

Your response to privacy and keeping your app closed sourced in earlier post combined with your response above doesn't make sense. I think something shady is going on. So thank you for confirming this.. I downloaded Textra as I'm typing this .. and I suggest others do as well. Why? Because when I emailed Textra about their privacy policy they gave me a straight forward answer, not this wishy-washy. I'm obviously not the only person worried by this app if privacy concerns have already been brought up by others.

The other post I'm referring to is on page 46 by user pcgaldo (I cant post links yet).

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paul_cad44 said:
Personally got no objections to collecting data as long as it doesn't include message content or phone numbers. Anything to help the dev improve this app.

Sent from my GT-I9305 using xda app-developers app

I don't mind giving that data as well. But the dev isn't being clear. The privacy policy on HIS website states he collects data.. but his response to me when I questioned him is that he doesn't collect data. He is to wishy-washy. I believe that if your a DEV you have to be straight forward with the people who are "trusting" you with their information, especially in today's world. Defend him all you want, but in reality non-of-us know what hes doing because this app is closed sourced. Funny because he said he sourced this app from cyanogenmod 10.2 and that it is 98% not his app, and is theirs.

goldharbor · Apr 9, 2014

hello i'm looking for a new messaging app... need to things:

Conversation is with a person, not a number (e.g. Person with 2 contacts... both messages will remain in the same conversation)
Define a answer number.. (e.g. All messages from conversation will be send for one number except if i start a new message, not reply)

8sms do that? if not, anyone?

bengtan · Apr 9, 2014

sdeft said:
"This looks like what's known as a "flash sms" or Class zero message. I don't know much about them, but in the code inherited from cyanogenmod and AOSP, these messages don't produce Android notifications nor sound a tone. In other words, I think this is by design."

Is it not possible to force notifications for flash messages on 8sms then ?

Technically, I could change 8sms to post a notification for flash messages. Practically, I'm doubtful whether I should.

1. I don't have a way to make flash messages be sent to my phone so I can't test it properly.
2. I don't really understand the reasoning or intended usage of flash messages ie. the requirements.

I couldn't find anything in the 3G/telephony standards about flash messages. For all I know, they are not supposed to trigger audible notifications. Perhaps they are, perhaps they aren't. I don't know.

I don't want to go fiddling around in an area I don't know about. I would want to understand something before I change it.

If Google implemented the Android stock messaging app so flash messages don't create a notification, perhaps they know something I don't.

So ... if you can point me to definitive documentation about flash messages and how they are supposed to behave, then I'll look at it and reconsider making flash messages trigger notifications.

If not, sorry, perhaps you can raise this with Google instead.

goldharbor said:
hello i'm looking for a new messaging app... need to things:

Conversation is with a person, not a number (e.g. Person with 2 contacts... both messages will remain in the same conversation)
Define a answer number.. (e.g. All messages from conversation will be send for one number except if i start a new message, not reply)

8sms do that? if not, anyone?

> Conversation is with a person, not a number (e.g. Person with 2
> contacts... both messages will remain in the same conversation)

I've never tested for this, so I don't know whether it will work. Perhaps try testing it yourself?

> Define a answer number.. (e.g. All messages from conversation will be
> send for one number except if i start a new message, not reply)

No. 8sms won't do this.

bengtan · Apr 9, 2014

SirBlackBeard said:
Your response to privacy and keeping your app closed sourced in earlier post combined with your response above doesn't make sense. I think something shady is going on. So thank you for confirming this.. I downloaded Textra as I'm typing this .. and I suggest others do as well. Why? Because when I emailed Textra about their privacy policy they gave me a straight forward answer, not this wishy-washy. I'm obviously not the only person worried by this app if privacy concerns have already been brought up by others.

The other post I'm referring to is on page 46 by user pcgaldo (I cant post links yet).

---------- Post added at 12:57 PM ---------- Previous post was at 12:50 PM ----------

I don't mind giving that data as well. But the dev isn't being clear. The privacy policy on HIS website states he collects data.. but his response to me when I questioned him is that he doesn't collect data. He is to wishy-washy. I believe that if your a DEV you have to be straight forward with the people who are "trusting" you with their information, especially in today's world. Defend him all you want, but in reality non-of-us know what hes doing because this app is closed sourced. Funny because he said he sourced this app from cyanogenmod 10.2 and that it is 98% not his app, and is theirs.

Hi,

It's quite common in legal-ish statements to say "may" without actually doing something. I was just following this pattern.

I said "We may perform automated collection ..." because I was thinking of adding analytics some time in the future. Then, if I did add analytics, it would be covered by this statement and I wouldn't have to change it.

*BUT*

Since some people are concerned, I've just changed the privacy statement to:

8sms does not collect any data about you, your contacts, your messages, or how you use 8sms.

(See http://8s.ms/privacy)

This means I can't add analytics in the future either (or else I'd have to adjust the privacy policy).

To re-emphasise, 8sms has never collected any data from you (or your phone), and still does not collect any data from you (or your phone).

Are you satisfied with this answer?

If not, please let me know why not and I'd be happy to address your remaining concerns.

bengtan · Apr 9, 2014

Looking for testing assistance for Sony phones, Logcat desirable

Hi,

Version 1.31 of 8sms has just been released and should be available on Google Play in a few hours.

This version has support for launcher icon badges for those manufacturer ROMs which do provide such a feature and for which I'm able to find adequate documentation on how to do it. It should work for Samsung Touchwiz.

There is some documentation for Sony phones, so I'm looking for a Sony phone user to help me add support for Sony. Please email me off-thread (logcat capability desirable).

Thanks.

haxy89 · Apr 9, 2014

bengtan said:
Hi,

Version 1.31 of 8sms has just been released and should be available on Google Play in a few hours.

This version has support for launcher icon badges for those manufacturer ROMs which do provide such a feature and for which I'm able to find adequate documentation on how to do it. It should work for Samsung Touchwiz.

There is some documentation for Sony phones, so I'm looking for a Sony phone user to help me add support for Sony. Please email me off-thread (logcat capability desirable).

Thanks.

Still no options to disable avatars and messages count.

dragonballz · Apr 9, 2014

Thank you for this update, could you please include this icon in the theme ? Which is more like theme Kitkat , thank you .

SirBlackBeard · Apr 9, 2014

bengtan;much 8692 said:
Hi,

It's quite common in legal-ish statements to say "may" without actually doing something. I was just following this pattern.

I said "We may perform automated collection ..." because I was thinking of adding analytics some time in the future. Then, if I did add analytics, it would be covered by this statement and I wouldn't have to change it.

*BUT*

Since some people are concerned, I've just changed the privacy statement to:

This means I can't add analytics in the future either (or else I'd have to adjust the privacy policy).

To re-emphasise, 8sms has never collected any data from you (or your phone), and still does not collect any data from you (or your phone).

Are you satisfied with this answer?

If not, please let me know why not and I'd be happy to address your remaining concerns.

Thank you very much for clearing up this issue. If you want to put analytics later on I'm sure none of us including myself would mind, just as long as our PII ( name, contacts, message content, and other "personal identification information") is not used and we are notified in the play store " what's new" when this change happens as we update the app.

Thanks again Dev.

Nucleotide · Apr 10, 2014

Is there any chance of making that horrible teal/bluey/greeny looking colour in the dark theme a dark grey by any chance? HEX value #222222 perhaps?

The teal colour look absolutely dreadful!!

Eddiemc · Apr 10, 2014

Nucleotide said:
Is there any chance of making that horrible teal/bluey/greeny looking colour in the dark theme a dark grey by any chance? HEX value #222222 perhaps?

The teal colour look absolutely dreadful!!

Good suggestion. It'd be nice if also the colored messages would be the unread ones, not the read messages. Make more sense that an unread message is "highlighted".

slonn · Apr 10, 2014

Is the pop up notification on pin lock screen fixed?

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sdeft · Apr 10, 2014

bengtan said:
Technically, I could change 8sms to post a notification for flash messages. Practically, I'm doubtful whether I should.

1. I don't have a way to make flash messages be sent to my phone so I can't test it properly.
2. I don't really understand the reasoning or intended usage of flash messages ie. the requirements.

I couldn't find anything in the 3G/telephony standards about flash messages. For all I know, they are not supposed to trigger audible notifications. Perhaps they are, perhaps they aren't. I don't know.

I don't want to go fiddling around in an area I don't know about. I would want to understand something before I change it.

If Google implemented the Android stock messaging app so flash messages don't create a notification, perhaps they know something I don't.

So ... if you can point me to definitive documentation about flash messages and how they are supposed to behave, then I'll look at it and reconsider making flash messages trigger notifications.

If not, sorry, perhaps you can raise this with Google instead.

> Conversation is with a person, not a number (e.g. Person with 2
> contacts... both messages will remain in the same conversation)

I've never tested for this, so I don't know whether it will work. Perhaps try testing it yourself?

> Define a answer number.. (e.g. All messages from conversation will be
> send for one number except if i start a new message, not reply)

No. 8sms won't do this.

Appreciate the detailed answer begtan. I wish I could help you change this but my knowledge is limited. I am pretty sure this was working on Android ICS using HTC messaging app.

anonymous-bot · Apr 10, 2014

Is it possible to have the quick reply pop-up but not the notification? Or alternatively, is it possible to dismiss the notification from the quick reply pop-up?

Sometimes I receive an sms with a code so I only need to view it but not reply. The quick reply pop-up has two options: Close and View. If I choose the former, I have to dismiss the notification manually and if I choose the latter, it switches me to the 8sms app which I'd rather not do.

gfunas · Apr 10, 2014

working good thank you

bengtan · Apr 11, 2014

haxy89 said:
Still no options to disable avatars and messages count.

dragonballz said:
Thank you for this update, could you please include this icon in the theme ? Which is more like theme Kitkat , thank you .

Eddiemc said:
Good suggestion. It'd be nice if also the colored messages would be the unread ones, not the read messages. Make more sense that an unread message is "highlighted".

Sorry to all. I'm a bit overwhelmed by the feature requests and suggestions and bugfixes. There are a lot of people using 8sms now, and I'm having trouble keeping up.

slonn said:
Is the pop up notification on pin lock screen fixed?

The quick reply pop-up doesn't not appear over a secured lockscreen, including pin-locks. This is intended and by design.

anonymous-bot said:
Is it possible to have the quick reply pop-up but not the notification? Or alternatively, is it possible to dismiss the notification from the quick reply pop-up?

Sometimes I receive an sms with a code so I only need to view it but not reply. The quick reply pop-up has two options: Close and View. If I choose the former, I have to dismiss the notification manually and if I choose the latter, it switches me to the 8sms app which I'd rather not do.

> Is it possible to have the quick reply pop-up but not the notification?

No.

> Or alternatively, is it possible to dismiss the notification from the quick reply pop-up?

Pressing "close" on the quick reply pop-up should dismiss the notification (but see next paragraph below).

> Sometimes I receive an sms with a code so I only need to view it but not reply.

If you press the "mark" button in the notification, that should mark the message as read, and it should also remove the message from the quick-reply pop up.

However, there was a bug introduced around 1.23 (and then fixed in 1.31) which might prevent both of these from working correctly. Perhaps you'd like to upgrade to 1.31 and give it a try?

anonymous-bot · Apr 11, 2014

Ok upgrading does seem to have fixed it. Thanks.

haxy89 · Apr 12, 2014

I cloned a bug with led notification. It doesn't works when phone locks automatically.
When users lock phone led notification works ok.

friendfriend · Apr 12, 2014

First I wannt to thank You for your hard work. Your app is amonge the best sms apps out there. Congrat!

[Q]: Is it possible to remove contact pictures field in inbox?

bengtan · Apr 14, 2014

haxy89 said:
I cloned a bug with led notification. It doesn't works when phone locks automatically.
When users lock phone led notification works ok.

This is plausible. The system decides whether or if to turn on the led (when requested by 8sms), and maybe this is the expected behaviour (or a bug) on your phone.

friendfriend said:
First I wannt to thank You for your hard work. Your app is amonge the best sms apps out there. Congrat!

[Q]: Is it possible to remove contact pictures field in inbox?

Thanks.

Not yet, but it is on my to-do list.

MarlinFF · Apr 19, 2014

Just found a bug. I cannot delete drafts after they have been made. Erasing them and then going and to the text listing shows that they are still there.

Sent from my GT-N7105

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