HTC Flagship 2012 - HTC One X (Endeavor) - Tegra 3 - Mega Information Thread

mpikxfx · Feb 4, 2013

I am very excited on the M7. Hope it's a Snapdragon 600.

Maedhros · Feb 4, 2013

aliHTCDHD said:
@vcrp first of all I believe tegra 4 is the best gaming cpu I have mentioned it before so please don't tell me that I am trying to say tegra 4 sucks. Secondly about the number of cores yes I know it's difficult to add 72 gpu cores. The tegra 4 out runs the A6x which is a massive achievement due to the A6x having such a large gpu size it could'nt work inside a smartphone efficiently and for tegra 4 to pack more power at a smaller size to a extent it can be places in phone than that is a big achievement. I am not baised I just believe snapdragon make the best cpu in terms of overall cpu/gpu/power efficiency.

The s4 had a weak gpu and the tegra 3 and Mali 400 were better but I think with claims Qualcomm have made which is the adreno 330 is twice as fast and consumes 40% less power than its predecessor they will no longer lag behind. Overall when it comes to wireless/power efficiently/cpu/gpu snapdragon 600/800 will not lag behind Nvidia or samsung in any department. Even if any cpu has a light edge with gpu 2013 cpu's are so powerful you will not able to tell the difference when using them benchmarks is a completly different story.

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Hey Ali,

I agree with your analysis 100%. It is a very strange trend that has appeared recently. It seems that as of a year ago, Qualcomm CPUs are the ones people are asking for (see S4Pro). Yet if u remeber to HTC WM days, people were begging not to have qualcomms cpus lol.

Funny times indeed.

I am cautiously optimistic that the M7 will receive the 600. However - secretly I am wishing that it will launch with the 800. If it does launch with the 800 I'll be picking it up. If not, I'll wait till next year.

Tegra 4 is not exciting at all. Considering Nvidias GPU background, it is odd that they are focusing on sw solutions. OFC, some might say it is the correct approach. However, I feel that they must be dumping money into game companies hands to be doing this. The question is: how long can they afford to do so?

Qualcomm is an established company, and I'm certain its solutions are cheaper and more efficient then Nvideas.

mpikxfx · Feb 4, 2013

Wonderful thread of information guys. Keep it up bro!

hamdir · Feb 4, 2013

Android OEMs are not generous when it comes to GPUs, even on flagships and despite agressively pushing pixel density

the S4pro, Adreno 320 in optimal cooling situation was a match to onscreen performance of the iPhone 5, at 1080p its greatly less, so all the Q1 2013 1080p snapdragon devices are lagging again behind Apple, meanwhile the iPad4 already leaves everyone in the smokes

Notice how intel PC chipsets are always lacking in GPU power, despite the entire world nagging about the massive difference between its chips and discrete GPUs? certain OEMs simply choose to ignore the importance of GPU power...or maybe leverage the need for GPUs to force you to upgrade

as for Tegra, no one is saying Nvidia's performance in the mobile world had been optimal, in fact we all know they are late into the GPU game despite being the GPU inventor, that being said, Tegra does offer a lot, all my previous devices were snapdragons (1, 2 and 3) and i can assure you i was never pleased, my dual krait windows 8x did not make me change my mind either....software is always lacking, game support, drivers and the general screen off endurance, qualcomm pushes their chipsets and forget about them, if something is broken they fix it in the next revision

on the other hand Tegra 3 despite how much we struggled fixing gaming issues, is still a much better chip in my opinion, a lot more thermally stable than snapdragons (remains stable even during insane heat), extremely fast Android speed, every bit we loose in screen on endurance we gain in screen off, gaming locked performance in THD games and performance/drivers are constantly updated from Nvidia's part , Nvidia milked T3 for much over a year without changing anything in it's specs, this is very impressive and good to the consumer, it provides a stable software support and something like a stable console cycle, unlike snapdragons which are constantly being updated in hardware

I can assure you I never owned an Android device as stable as the One X

let compare 2012's snapdragon 4? at least 8 variations with much different performance between each, in fact if you dont dig the model number of the snapdragon 4 you will be mislead by performance, just like variation with Adreno 203/305 and dual/quad A5 showed us, on the other hand, there is one and only Tegra 3, the difference in clocks is no big deal just like the Nexus 7 has proven, its a much more transparent approach and better commitment toward the consumer

snapdragons are over hyped for one simple reason, their integrated radios saving device makers a huge amount of headache and money

hamdir · Feb 4, 2013

If anyone is interested, i've reviewed the Windows Phone 8x, being for HTC's website, it's a little enthusiastic

Simply the Best Windows Phone 8

Let’s first begin with the main highlights of this device, design, build quality, screen and camera!

When you first meet the 8x you will have a pleasant surprise, it’s just gorgeous and immediately hits you with its finest build material, the unibody shell is very rigid and has a very nice texture with excellent grip, the screen is protected by a metal frame and all the hardware button are made from metal of the same color as the phone, I have the funky blue version but after meeting the matte black 8x with its metal, black and glossy HTC logo I realized it’s looks even better, it screams class and upper end, words will not explain it enough until you meet the 8x in person.

The design is so good that everyone who has seen this phone was blown away.

The second best thing about this device is the screen, it’s razor sharp! At 340ppi it’s actually higher than Apple’s retina display, colors are also expertly calibrated, the screen is laminated so it appears seamless and floating over the gorilla glass surface, it's matches the One X now legendary SLCD2 screen, but certain angles don't match the flawless view angles on the One X. The screen is 4.3 inch which might feel small for One X lovers but size will always depend on your taste.
The third best thing about this phone are the cameras, yup both cameras, the main camera offers everything good in the One X camera and improves it further, mainly the low light performance is much improved over the One X with better lighting and less noise, I was just a little disappointed it misses the fast shutter burst mode on the One X.

Meanwhile the front camera has one of a kind wide angle lens where you can grab an entire room with one click, it’s almost surreal, perfect for taking pictures of yourself with friends/family, it’s also outputs in high quality with perfect colors and little noise (unlike the usual front camera quality) you will never run out of fun ideas using this camera, I just have one complaint which is the slight slowness in the viewfinder, I guess it was inevitable with such high quality processing. The main camera however is very speedy with super fast shutter speed and did I mention it has a dedicated physical camera button?

Video capture is excellent and HTC also offers photo enhancement software out of box, once you grab a photo you can edit and improve it using the photo enhancer app, in short it’s just an excellent and fun phone for photography.

Audio quality is equally excellent on every output thanks to the built-in amplifiers. As for battery life, I don’t usually abuse my device beyond phone, camera and social features, in other words I don’t spend hours at the browser or gaming and so the phone easily lasts over one day, sometimes closing two days.

I’m usually an Android user, but the windows operating system felt surprisingly intuitive, things are so much simpler to do and the minimalist/unified elegant UI feels like a nice fresh change. I really like the touch keyboard and the improvements offered by The windows OS, the OS is known for being buttery smooth and it’s even faster with the 8x speedy S4 dual core processor, and despite being a “closed” OS it’s still a lot more practical than iOS, for example you can access your phone storage by simply plugging it to your PC and you can share files with any other device using Bluetooth, I'm just annoyed most 3D games on the windows store still do not yet support 720p screen and therefore they look pixelated on the super dense screen, HTC/Microsoft should aggressively push developers to better support their OS and provide more apps.

In short compared to the much bulkier less attractive lumi920 and like many expert reviews concluded, the HTC 8x is simply the best Windows Phone 8.

Goku80 · Feb 4, 2013

hamdir said:
If anyone is interested, i've reviewed the Windows Phone 8x, being for HTC's website, it's a little enthusiastic

Simply the Best Windows Phone 8

bit to enthusiastic

good review mate:good:

hamdir · Feb 4, 2013

Goku80 said:
bit to enthusiastic good review mate:good:

i still did pass my critic in the review though

main bad points scattered through out the review:

- worse view angles than the One X screen, in specific certain angles

- slow shutter and viewfinder in the front camera

- missing fast burst mode from the main camera

- very bad games support for the 720p screen

all the other good stuff however are honestly true

I did forget to complain about the hard to press power button...

it had to be enthusiastic because im reviewing it as an owner and not as a professional reviewer

compared to the Lumia 920 there is no match to the form factor and weight but Nokia does a much better job supporting their device in the windows store

still all Windows Phone has a series app ecosystem problem right now

Goku80 · Feb 4, 2013

hamdir said:
i still did pass my critic in the review though

main bad points scattered through out the review:

- worse view angles than the One X screen, in specific certain angles

- slow shutter and viewfinder in the front camera

- missing fast burst mode from the main camera

- very bad games support for the 720p screen

all the other good stuff however are honestly true

you would of thought by now that with how fast tech is moving that they would push there gaming developers to make games for 720p by now for Windows OS..

hamdir · Feb 4, 2013

Goku80 said:
you would of thought by now that with how fast tech is moving that they would push there gaming developers to make games for 720p by now for Windows OS..

i've added this to my reply

I did forget to complain about the hard to press power button...

it had to be enthusiastic because im reviewing it as an owner and not as a professional reviewer

compared to the Lumia 920 there is no match to the form factor and weight but Nokia does a much better job supporting their device in the windows store

still all Windows Phone has a series app ecosystem problem right now

and yes it's really such a shame, an amazing device in every word but the OS is still not taking off, you can actually say the OS is not worthy of the device...

consider this, many apps like youtube and facebook are build by MS

shows how neglected it is...

jonas2295 · Feb 4, 2013

AW: HTC One X - Tegra 3 - Upcoming M7 - Mega Information Thread

@hamdir, can you tell us now what you idea was for Htc which made you get the phone?

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hamdir · Feb 4, 2013

jonas2295 said:
@hamdir, can you tell us now what you idea was for Htc which made you get the phone?

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no i'm an elevate remember? its parts of the activities but really they make us work for it

also didn't I PM you once about this?

jonas2295 · Feb 4, 2013

AW: HTC One X - Tegra 3 - Upcoming M7 - Mega Information Thread

hamdir said:
no i'm an elevate remember? its parts of the activities but really they make us work for it

also didn't I PM you once about this?

Yeah you did but you couldn't say what the idea was.

I just had a look at the phone in a store, quite cool and really smooth, definitely a awesome design and build quality but I would never see me buying such a phone lol that system is awful.

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sgt. slaughter · Feb 4, 2013

Re: HTC One X - Tegra 3 - Upcoming M7 - Mega Information Thread

hamdir said:
Android OEMs are not generous when it comes to GPUs, even on flagships and despite agressively pushing pixel density

the S4pro, Adreno 320 in optimal cooling situation was a match to onscreen performance of the iPhone 5, at 1080p its greatly less, so all the Q1 2013 1080p snapdragon devices are lagging again behind Apple, meanwhile the iPad4 already leaves everyone in the smokes

Notice how intel PC chipsets are always lacking in GPU power, despite the entire world nagging about the massive difference between its chips and discrete GPUs? certain OEMs simply choose to ignore the importance of GPU power...or maybe leverage the need for GPUs to force you to upgrade

as for Tegra, no one is saying Nvidia's performance in the mobile world had been optimal, in fact we all know they are late into the GPU game despite being the GPU inventor, that being said, Tegra does offer a lot, all my previous devices were snapdragons (1, 2 and 3) and i can assure you i was never pleased, my dual krait windows 8x did not make me change my mind either....software is always lacking, game support, drivers and the general screen off endurance, qualcomm pushes their chipsets and forget about them, if something is broken they fix it in the next revision

on the other hand Tegra 3 despite how much we struggled fixing gaming issues, is still a much better chip in my opinion, a lot more thermally stable than snapdragons (remains stable even during insane heat), extremely fast Android speed, every bit we loose in screen on endurance we gain in screen off, gaming locked performance in THD games and performance/drivers are constantly updated from Nvidia's part , Nvidia milked T3 for much over a year without changing anything in it's specs, this is very impressive and good to the consumer, it provides a stable software support and something like a stable console cycle, unlike snapdragons which are constantly being updated in hardware

I can assure you I never owned an Android device as stable as the One X

let compare 2012's snapdragon 4? at least 8 variations with much different performance between each, in fact if you dont dig the model number of the snapdragon 4 you will be mislead by performance, just like variation with Adreno 203/305 and dual/quad A5 showed us, on the other hand, there is one and only Tegra 3, the difference in clocks is no big deal just like the Nexus 7 has proven, its a much more transparent approach and better commitment toward the consumer

snapdragons are over hyped for one simple reason, their integrated radios saving device makers a huge amount of headache and money

Not generous when it comes to gpu?.... They can only include what's been developed this far at the current time. Sure Qualcomm would love to toss in the 440 now in this year's SoCs but it isn't ready. Thus HTC and the likes have no choice but to use what's been developed thus far... Like I said there is always a better SoC coming the next year and until that stops a power user will never have a phone for 2 years. Period.

Ill let you slide with the snapdragon overhyped comment for the mere fact you at least can carry on a somewhat fluid convo regarding SoCs which is something not seen everywhere. I get sick of the kiddies yelling # cores is king as they know crap about SoCs and the real workings...

Snapdragons are not changing more than a year. At least not the flagship devices. The ONLY wrinkle in that is the APQ8064 chip the put out last year which was just to get in the quad game... APQ chips were not initially intended for phones as they lack the radios. You can't fault Qualcomm for offering tiered SoCs for medium range devices. Those are never ment to compete with big dogs ever.

No one is saying nvidia sucks at all and we all kbow they are gpu king in the pc world and decently in mobile phones too. But you can not argue based purely on gpu either. If you do nvidia wins always.

Like I mentioned before each company has their niche and advantage over the others. Till the T4 and octa and 800 are all out in similar devices you can't crown either king. And being king for one year doesn't mean your SoC you release next year will be king either...

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sgt. slaughter · Feb 4, 2013

Re: HTC One X - Tegra 3 - Upcoming M7 - Mega Information Thread

hamdir said:
i've added this to my reply

and yes it's really such a shame, an amazing device in every word but the OS is still not taking off, you can actually say the OS is not worthy of the device...

consider this, many apps like youtube and facebook are build by MS shows how neglected it is...

Agree with that... Blackberry is going to have the same issues as windows phone will now. The marketplace is extremely tough to enter now which will cause someone to have to spend a TON on developers to entice them to focus on their new OS and apps and such... Till then I don't expect much push from either OS...

That windows device is a great one... Just the OS is an issue like you say...

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Goku80 · Feb 4, 2013

HTC WARNS THAT PERFORMANCE MAY GET WORSE

hamdir · Feb 4, 2013

Goku80 said:
HTC WARNS THAT PERFORMANCE MAY GET WORSE

i dont get this really when you are about to launch a worldwide new flagship...

as for cheaper devices? not the butterfly for sure which is mega expensive

steve1996 · Feb 4, 2013

Re: HTC One X - Tegra 3 - Upcoming M7 - Mega Information Thread

Everyone in China are praising the 920 and saying that the 920 is much better than the 8x, they say that it's very tough and unbreakable lol... They all say that HTC copied Nokia and Sony... Average users say that the specs are better, has more functions, better camera, better screen, better software support etc... When I told them that the design, the premium feel, the edges, the light weight, the thinness, they would always say that HTC copied, and say that thicker and heavier feels better in hand... I have no idea why they liked the 920 so much.

I was originally a wp7 user and I would say, stay away from windows phone... The market feels very empty, the Xbox live games are expensive and outdated, you would have to sync music through the computer by a itunes like software called zune. You would have nothing to do with the phone, to me it feels like a symbian...

In my opinion, the 8x and 920 are slow, after pressing the home button, you have to wait for the animation to end before you can swipe, unlike the old wp7 where you can swipe when the animation is still going.

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jesr · Feb 4, 2013

Here we go

HTC M7 to ditch megapixels in favour of Ultrapixels

HTC is to use a new camera sensor on its much-rumoured HTC M7 smartphone, Pocket-lint can confirm, that will use what the company calls Ultrapixels.

Although rumours currently suggest that the new smartphone will use a 13-megapixel sensor, sources familiar with the matter have told Pocket-lint that won't be the case. Well, not exactly.

The new camera will instead be made up of three 4.3-megapixel sensor layers that are used to combine into a single resulting image. Three lots of 4.3 may add up to around 13-megapixels, but images from HTC's latest won't be larger than 4.3-megapixels in size.

The technique, similar to that used by Sigma in the Foveon X3 sensor, means that three lots of data can represent one final pixel. All that extra data can be intelligently "combined" to generate a crisper, cleaner image with better colour accuracy.

The technique is also close to the way Nokia can handle image data with the camera in the 808 PureView, or Fujifilm's EXR system in its compact cameras - but both companies opt for a more conventional sensor structure.

The HTC could lie somewhere between these variety of techniques.

The Ultrapixel sensor is expected to be a core feature of the new M7 smartphone - the name of which is still to be officially confirmed - and, presumably, the way that HTC will stop consumers being confused that its new flagship phone will only come with what, on the surface, is a 4-megapixel sensor.

Nokia had a similar issue with the Nokia 808 Pureview's boasts of a 41-megapixel sensor which was only available in one mode, whereas the smartphone's more common settings would restrict output to 8-megapixels which boasted greater clarity.

Ultrapixel is ultimately remarketing the megapixel. Whether it will become a part of your daily vocabulary from 19 February, well, we'll just have to wait and see...

hamdir · Feb 4, 2013

steve1996 said:
In my opinion, the 8x and 920 are slow, after pressing the home button, you have to wait for the animation to end before you can swipe, unlike the old wp7 where you can swipe when the animation is still going.

this is a fault of the OS, the resume feature most annoying when you come back to Skype or whatapps you have to wait for the app to resume, WTF!

hamdir · Feb 4, 2013

jesr said:
Here we go

HTC M7 to ditch megapixels in favour of Ultrapixels

Finally some fun info about the M7 thanks!

if it's true this is good effort from HTC and will respond to those concerned with mindless MP increase

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