ORDER Social Group... For us with ORD (Obsessive-ROM Updating Disorder)

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egzthunder1

Admin Emeritus - Spirit of XDA
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Thanks mikechannon, awesome job :D!​


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Thanks af974 for the artwork :D




ORDER Social Group

Come on guys, join in! :D

Hi, my name is Ezequiel and I have had ORD since 2005. Because of this, I have created a group which I not only maintain, but also I am a proud member of. This kind of group therapy might not give out any results (as we would need someone who has been able to recover from it), but at least we will be able to get past the feeling that we are in essence lonely in this world since no one outside of xda-devs seem to understand what we go through :D

[highlight]So, what exactly is ORD?(thanks Fallen Spartan for the definition)[/highlight]

I have finally figured out what is wrong with us all.

We got something that can be called ORD

Obsessive-ROM Updating Disorder

you might have it if you:

-Flashes new roms as soon as they are available

-Need to have the lastes OS build

-Need to have the latest packages, it do not matter if there is no changes to the application, just as long as it has a higher build number.

-Is often forgetful in daily activities cause you are thinking of what the next leaked update will be

-Often does not follow instructions and fails to finish schoolwork, chores, or duties in the workplace because your urge to browse websites sutch as Htcpedia or xda-developers.

-Difficulties completing household chores as you are constantly refreshing your browser for updated roms

-Often having difficulty concentrating on conversations as you are constantly backing up contacts etc, setting up mail and customizing graphics on the newest rom

-Appearing not to listen when spoken to (often being accused of beeing obsessesive with "that damn phone"
The idea is based on a thread started by G1Bricked

I...Hate...XDA
 
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acidbath5546

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My name is Blair and I am an Addict!
I have been an addict since I got a Kaiser 2 years ago.
Now I cook my own personal ROM's, helped Root a couple Android Devices, and cant stop visiting XDA waiting to get or help with the latest and greated WinMo/Android Mod.

Phewwwwwww!
I feel better already.....ohhhh wait is that a new WinMo build...........
 

orb3000

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Lol!

I´m Orb and I´m a humanoid, so I can type more and faster:D:D
I´m waiting that a profession: Psychologist for not humans to be created, so I´ll be in the first list to get an appointment, I have problems:D:D

The real story:

I started on Winmo world back in 2004 when I saw a friend of mine with a Blue angel, I was amazed with it and later on I got an Universal from a trip to Europe, since that I got in love with WM/HTC world, but something was missing....I was bored...
Until I came across XDA!! and all changed, the possibilities were almost infinite on flashing (flashed so many times I´ve lost the count:))and customizing, money was my limit to buy more devices so I stayed only with great Uni from 2005 till 2009 that I got the chance to buy a Rhodium (I am not counting my wife´s Excalibur on this story).
Later on I wanted to have a Maple to upgrade my wife´s Excalibur and was looking for one for several months, and recently I´ve found a great deal!
Flashing continues...

That´s the end of the story....for now:)
 
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gullum

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Hi my name is Gulli I've had ORD since February 2007. but I'm curred now.
To be curred I had to sell all my HTC devices and buy an iPhone but untill there is some other was to cure ORD I can't return to Windows Mobile or Android Doctors orders. I still have my Topas but it's for sale and I've had the offical 2.53 rom on it for more then a week.
 

egzthunder1

Admin Emeritus - Spirit of XDA
Hi my name is Gulli I've had ORD since February 2007. but I'm curred now.
To be curred I had to sell all my HTC devices and buy an iPhone but untill there is some other was to cure ORD I can't return to Windows Mobile or Android Doctors orders. I still have my Topas but it's for sale and I've had the offical 2.53 rom on it for more then a week.

I was beginning to wonder what had happened to you :)

Let me ask you this, did you jailbreak your iPhone? Cause if you have, then I am sorry to inform you that you are not completely cured :D....

back to Step 1 with you...
 

gullum

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Mar 22, 2007
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I was beginning to wonder what had happened to you :)

Let me ask you this, did you jailbreak your iPhone? Cause if you have, then I am sorry to inform you that you are not completely cured :D....

back to Step 1 with you...

The iPhone has not arived yet maybe in a week and I'm shure it will be jailbroken within the first hours. but wait I havn't flashed my Topaz more at least a week so I must be curred.. right ? or maybe it's just because I wan't it to have an official rom when someone buys it :D well **** at least I feel curred :p
 
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OG

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XDABlues.jpg

thanks mikechannon, awesome job :D!



ORDER Social Group

Come on guys, join in! :D

Hi, my name is Ezequiel and I have had ORD since 2005. Because of this, I have created a group which I not only maintain, but also I am a proud member of. This kind of group therapy might not give out any results (as we would need someone who has been able to recover from it), but at least we will be able to get past the feeling that we are in essence lonely in this world since no one outside of xda-devs seem to understand what we go through :D

[highlight]So, what exactly is ORD?(thanks Fallen Spartan for the definition)[/highlight]



I cannot believe that you stole my idea, and used it, and didn't give me any credit for it at all. I made the post/thread "I... Hate... Xda!" and I'm not even linked here, seriously? So mean!! >:{
 

hilaireg

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My Story ...

It started back in late 2008, early 2009. I had just purchased my new HTC Fuze and wasn't very satisfied with how it performed. After a few hours of searching, I came upon XDA Developers and started reading about what could be done to my phone to make it better. In excitement, I created an account on the forum ...

At first, I was flashing ROM's to my device so that I could get the best features and performance. I would leave the ROM on the device for a few weeks; then weekly, daily, and finally ... hourly. I didn't notice that I was becoming addicted at first; my friends and family had. We would be at a social dinner or event and I would find myself logging into XDA from my phone to see if a new ROM had been released. I'd pretend to be involved in the conversation we were having, but cursing inside at the fact that I wasn't in front of my PC to download and flash it to my device.

Popular chefs like NRGZ28, NATF, and ARUPENTHAL would announce an updated release of their next Fuze ROM and I would find myself refreshing my browser every hour waiting for the "uploading" message to change to "uploaded & ready" - like a junkie waiting on a street corner for his pusher to arrive. I would get frustrated at how long it was taking to download the ROM from my 16 Mbps downstream connection. I would stay up all night trying to figure out the best time to download ROM's so that I could push my 16 Mbps connection to it's limit - I even called my ISP to complain about the fact that I couldn't get an OC48 fibre optic connection to my house. I even called RapidShare, Hotfile, MediaFire, and 4shared technical support to plead with them to remove the waiting period - I even bought every single item from the popup advertisements.

During the day, I would find myself taking several breaks so that I could check the forum to see if a new ROM was available or another registry tweak that would enhance my phone. I would tell my colleagues that I had a bladder condition just so I could sneak to the bathroom and check the forum. If a ROM had been released, I would go back to my desk and announce that I wasn't feeling well just so I could go home to download the ROM.

I found myself filled with anxiety wondering if someone else had already downloaded the ROM. Would there be a download slot left for me? I found myself pre-booking helicopter flight services to my home just so I could get there as quickly as possible and make sure that I was the first one to download the latest ROM. I found myself setting up sockpuppet accounts so that I could trace the IP Address of any member who had downloaded the ROM before me ... just to call their ISP and have their accounts suspended so that it wouldn't happen again.

And it got worse; I met a dealer name Da_G. He started supplying me the latest versions of kitchens so that I could make my own ROM's. No more waiting. No more pushers. I was "plugged-in" at the source. I would find all of the latest application packages, and add them to my kitchen. If I ran into a problem, I knew I could turn to him for another fix. I craved it more than life itself; I needed the latest ROM ... even before HTC thought of it.

Near the end, it's all I could do. I even worshipped the great goddess Flar of XDA, so that I would be blessed into the order of modship just so I could get into the "inside track". I sold myself like a cheap prostitute/junkie in need of "just one more fix; and then I'll quit; honest". Then another release of Opera or SenseUI would come out; then a new version 6.5 - the cycle would repeat itself over and over.

I found myself waiting in dark alleys looking for iPhone users just so I could show them the latest ROM I had built; "see," I would say, "I have an app for that too". I was a lost soul like those that perish in the Bermuda Triangle; except mine was that of a lost GPS signal. I found myself on street corners calling friends and asking: "Can you hear me now". I lost everything, my house, my home, my wife, my dignity, my HTC Fuze. I felt like I was in a deep dark cave unable to use the backlight of my Fuze to shine the way.

But then, I was saved - I found ORDER. Founded on the teachings of the grand master ITJE and his three followers of the HardSPL: FALLEN SPARTAN the mystic flasher, STYLEZ the rominator, and the all-knowing MIKECHANNON; the high priest EGZTHUNDER1 seeks to enlighten those afflicted with his wisdom. He taught me that all was not lost ...

I simply had to go buy another phone.


My name is hilaireg and I have ORD.

:)
 
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OG

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Hey man. We didn't ask for Harry Potter: The Attack of the XDA-NERDZ! I started like, July 25th last year. I needed help with my "bricked" G1, hence, da name. I'M HAVING CHOCOLATE CHIP PANCAKES TOMORROW MORNING! Den, I needed help Partitioning, and dey made fun of me, and made fun of me, and actually offered me an SD Card for being so stupid, n den I finally fell in love.

So how can I be a Senior Member?
 
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JAguirre1231

Senior Member
Hey man. We didn't ask for Harry Potter: The Attack of the XDA-NERDZ! I started like, July 25th last year. I needed help with my "bricked" G1, hence, da name. I'M HAVING CHOCOLATE CHIP PANCAKES TOMORROW MORNING! Den, I needed help Partitioning, and dey made fun of me, and made fun of me, and actually offered me an SD Card for being so stupid, n den I finally fell in love.

So how can I be a Senior Member?

This thread? http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=555913
 

Mr. Clown

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It started back in late 2008, early 2009. I had just purchased my new HTC Fuze and wasn't very satisfied with how it performed. After a few hours of searching, I came upon XDA Developers and started reading about what could be done to my phone to make it better. In excitement, I created an account on the forum ...

At first, I was flashing ROM's to my device so that I could get the best features and performance. I would leave the ROM on the device for a few weeks; then weekly, daily, and finally ... hourly. I didn't notice that I was becoming addicted at first; my friends and family had. We would be at a social dinner or event and I would find myself logging into XDA from my phone to see if a new ROM had been released. I'd pretend to be involved in the conversation we were having, but cursing inside at the fact that I wasn't in front of my PC to download and flash it to my device.

Popular chefs like NRGZ28, NATF, and ARUPENTHAL would announce an updated release of their next Fuze ROM and I would find myself refreshing my browser every hour waiting for the "uploading" message to change to "uploaded & ready" - like a junkie waiting on a street corner for his pusher to arrive. I would get frustrated at how long it was taking to download the ROM from my 16 Mbps downstream connection. I would stay up all night trying to figure out the best time to download ROM's so that I could push my 16 Mbps connection to it's limit - I even called my ISP to complain about the fact that I couldn't get an OC48 fibre optic connection to my house. I even called RapidShare, Hotfile, MediaFire, and 4shared technical support to plead with them to remove the waiting period - I even bought every single item from the popup advertisements.

During the day, I would find myself taking several breaks so that I could check the forum to see if a new ROM was available or another registry tweak that would enhance my phone. I would tell my colleagues that I had a bladder condition just so I could sneak to the bathroom and check the forum. If a ROM had been released, I would go back to my desk and announce that I wasn't feeling well just so I could go home to download the ROM.

I found myself filled with anxiety wondering if someone else had already downloaded the ROM. Would there be a download slot left for me? I found myself pre-booking helicopter flight services to my home just so I could get there as quickly as possible and make sure that I was the first one to download the latest ROM. I found myself setting up sockpuppet accounts so that I could trace the IP Address of any member who had downloaded the ROM before me ... just to call their ISP and have their accounts suspended so that it wouldn't happen again.

And it got worse; I met a dealer name Da_G. He started supplying me the latest versions of kitchens so that I could make my own ROM's. No more waiting. No more pushers. I was "plugged-in" at the source. I would find all of the latest application packages, and add them to my kitchen. If I ran into a problem, I knew I could turn to him for another fix. I craved it more than life itself; I needed the latest ROM ... even before HTC thought of it.

Near the end, it's all I could do. I even worshipped the great goddess Flar of XDA, so that I would be blessed into the order of modship just so I could get into the "inside track". I sold myself like a cheap prostitute/junkie in need of "just one more fix; and then I'll quit; honest". Then another release of Opera or SenseUI would come out; then a new version 6.5 - the cycle would repeat itself over and over.

I found myself waiting in dark alleys looking for iPhone users just so I could show them the latest ROM I had built; "see," I would say, "I have an app for that too". I was a lost soul like those that perish in the Bermuda Triangle; except mine was that of a lost GPS signal. I found myself on street corners calling friends and asking: "Can you hear me now". I lost everything, my house, my home, my wife, my dignity, my HTC Fuze. I felt like I was in a deep dark cave unable to use the backlight of my Fuze to shine the way.

But then, I was saved - I found ORDER. Founded on the teachings of the grand master ITJE and his three followers of the HardSPL: FALLEN SPARTAN the mystic flasher, STYLEZ the rominator, and the all-knowing MIKECHANNON; the high priest EGZTHUNDER1 seeks to enlighten those afflicted with his wisdom. He taught me that all was not lost ...

I simply had to go buy another phone.


My name is hilaireg and I have ORD.

:)

Thank you for your testimony hilaireg, we all know how difficult it is to expose yourself and talk to others about this "demoniac addiction" that is eating all of us inside. Let me tell you, that we really care about you and know what are you passing through, but accepting this and opening to give your testimony...it's a huge step towards sanity and rehab.
We all going to be with you in this long journey to become xda clean...for once and for all...but it's going to be difficult....maybe some up downs...but we will be here for you to provide guidance.

Please group...let's say together "We love you" to hilaireg. And when you feel depressed or that you are going to fall again for this addiction, repeat to yourself...BOOSFRABA....BOOSFRABA...BOOSFRABA...

I hope that helped.:p
 
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OG

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hilaireg... I love you. Ha I lied.

I think I'm the most annoying XDA User aren't I.
 
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egzthunder1

Admin Emeritus - Spirit of XDA
It started back in late 2008, early 2009. I had just purchased my new HTC Fuze and wasn't very satisfied with how it performed. After a few hours of searching, I came upon XDA Developers and started reading about what could be done to my phone to make it better. In excitement, I created an account on the forum ...

At first, I was flashing ROM's to my device so that I could get the best features and performance. I would leave the ROM on the device for a few weeks; then weekly, daily, and finally ... hourly. I didn't notice that I was becoming addicted at first; my friends and family had. We would be at a social dinner or event and I would find myself logging into XDA from my phone to see if a new ROM had been released. I'd pretend to be involved in the conversation we were having, but cursing inside at the fact that I wasn't in front of my PC to download and flash it to my device.

Popular chefs like NRGZ28, NATF, and ARUPENTHAL would announce an updated release of their next Fuze ROM and I would find myself refreshing my browser every hour waiting for the "uploading" message to change to "uploaded & ready" - like a junkie waiting on a street corner for his pusher to arrive. I would get frustrated at how long it was taking to download the ROM from my 16 Mbps downstream connection. I would stay up all night trying to figure out the best time to download ROM's so that I could push my 16 Mbps connection to it's limit - I even called my ISP to complain about the fact that I couldn't get an OC48 fibre optic connection to my house. I even called RapidShare, Hotfile, MediaFire, and 4shared technical support to plead with them to remove the waiting period - I even bought every single item from the popup advertisements.

During the day, I would find myself taking several breaks so that I could check the forum to see if a new ROM was available or another registry tweak that would enhance my phone. I would tell my colleagues that I had a bladder condition just so I could sneak to the bathroom and check the forum. If a ROM had been released, I would go back to my desk and announce that I wasn't feeling well just so I could go home to download the ROM.

I found myself filled with anxiety wondering if someone else had already downloaded the ROM. Would there be a download slot left for me? I found myself pre-booking helicopter flight services to my home just so I could get there as quickly as possible and make sure that I was the first one to download the latest ROM. I found myself setting up sockpuppet accounts so that I could trace the IP Address of any member who had downloaded the ROM before me ... just to call their ISP and have their accounts suspended so that it wouldn't happen again.

And it got worse; I met a dealer name Da_G. He started supplying me the latest versions of kitchens so that I could make my own ROM's. No more waiting. No more pushers. I was "plugged-in" at the source. I would find all of the latest application packages, and add them to my kitchen. If I ran into a problem, I knew I could turn to him for another fix. I craved it more than life itself; I needed the latest ROM ... even before HTC thought of it.

Near the end, it's all I could do. I even worshipped the great goddess Flar of XDA, so that I would be blessed into the order of modship just so I could get into the "inside track". I sold myself like a cheap prostitute/junkie in need of "just one more fix; and then I'll quit; honest". Then another release of Opera or SenseUI would come out; then a new version 6.5 - the cycle would repeat itself over and over.

I found myself waiting in dark alleys looking for iPhone users just so I could show them the latest ROM I had built; "see," I would say, "I have an app for that too". I was a lost soul like those that perish in the Bermuda Triangle; except mine was that of a lost GPS signal. I found myself on street corners calling friends and asking: "Can you hear me now". I lost everything, my house, my home, my wife, my dignity, my HTC Fuze. I felt like I was in a deep dark cave unable to use the backlight of my Fuze to shine the way.

But then, I was saved - I found ORDER. Founded on the teachings of the grand master ITJE and his three followers of the HardSPL: FALLEN SPARTAN the mystic flasher, STYLEZ the rominator, and the all-knowing MIKECHANNON; the high priest EGZTHUNDER1 seeks to enlighten those afflicted with his wisdom. He taught me that all was not lost ...

I simply had to go buy another phone.


My name is hilaireg and I have ORD.

:)

That.... was......awesome!
 

Noonski

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@hilaireg

I believe in you man, you can get rid of this terrible disease.
I know I will once I step over into Dark Side Of The Android..........
Strength to you.
 

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    Thanks mikechannon, awesome job :D!​


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    Thanks af974 for the artwork :D




    ORDER Social Group

    Come on guys, join in! :D

    Hi, my name is Ezequiel and I have had ORD since 2005. Because of this, I have created a group which I not only maintain, but also I am a proud member of. This kind of group therapy might not give out any results (as we would need someone who has been able to recover from it), but at least we will be able to get past the feeling that we are in essence lonely in this world since no one outside of xda-devs seem to understand what we go through :D

    [highlight]So, what exactly is ORD?(thanks Fallen Spartan for the definition)[/highlight]

    I have finally figured out what is wrong with us all.

    We got something that can be called ORD

    Obsessive-ROM Updating Disorder

    you might have it if you:

    -Flashes new roms as soon as they are available

    -Need to have the lastes OS build

    -Need to have the latest packages, it do not matter if there is no changes to the application, just as long as it has a higher build number.

    -Is often forgetful in daily activities cause you are thinking of what the next leaked update will be

    -Often does not follow instructions and fails to finish schoolwork, chores, or duties in the workplace because your urge to browse websites sutch as Htcpedia or xda-developers.

    -Difficulties completing household chores as you are constantly refreshing your browser for updated roms

    -Often having difficulty concentrating on conversations as you are constantly backing up contacts etc, setting up mail and customizing graphics on the newest rom

    -Appearing not to listen when spoken to (often being accused of beeing obsessesive with "that damn phone"
    The idea is based on a thread started by G1Bricked

    I...Hate...XDA
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    Finally! I know what I am!

    I've been bumming around on XDA for quite some time now, I don't post much but I'm pretty much always trundling around the development section of the Galaxy s. I flash my phone pretty much every day unless I find a particularly tasty Rom and then I might be able to hold off for a couple of days and just keep tweaking the settings. The best part is finally having a name for my condition...ORD... next time I'm told to 'put that damn phone down' i'll be able to say, 'I can't I have ORD!' and claim some sort of compensation or allowance for all these years of technological abuse. Its got to the point where I tell random people I barely know about how they should update their androids and it causes me physical pain to see someone still toughing it out on Cupcake!
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    My Story ...

    It started back in late 2008, early 2009. I had just purchased my new HTC Fuze and wasn't very satisfied with how it performed. After a few hours of searching, I came upon XDA Developers and started reading about what could be done to my phone to make it better. In excitement, I created an account on the forum ...

    At first, I was flashing ROM's to my device so that I could get the best features and performance. I would leave the ROM on the device for a few weeks; then weekly, daily, and finally ... hourly. I didn't notice that I was becoming addicted at first; my friends and family had. We would be at a social dinner or event and I would find myself logging into XDA from my phone to see if a new ROM had been released. I'd pretend to be involved in the conversation we were having, but cursing inside at the fact that I wasn't in front of my PC to download and flash it to my device.

    Popular chefs like NRGZ28, NATF, and ARUPENTHAL would announce an updated release of their next Fuze ROM and I would find myself refreshing my browser every hour waiting for the "uploading" message to change to "uploaded & ready" - like a junkie waiting on a street corner for his pusher to arrive. I would get frustrated at how long it was taking to download the ROM from my 16 Mbps downstream connection. I would stay up all night trying to figure out the best time to download ROM's so that I could push my 16 Mbps connection to it's limit - I even called my ISP to complain about the fact that I couldn't get an OC48 fibre optic connection to my house. I even called RapidShare, Hotfile, MediaFire, and 4shared technical support to plead with them to remove the waiting period - I even bought every single item from the popup advertisements.

    During the day, I would find myself taking several breaks so that I could check the forum to see if a new ROM was available or another registry tweak that would enhance my phone. I would tell my colleagues that I had a bladder condition just so I could sneak to the bathroom and check the forum. If a ROM had been released, I would go back to my desk and announce that I wasn't feeling well just so I could go home to download the ROM.

    I found myself filled with anxiety wondering if someone else had already downloaded the ROM. Would there be a download slot left for me? I found myself pre-booking helicopter flight services to my home just so I could get there as quickly as possible and make sure that I was the first one to download the latest ROM. I found myself setting up sockpuppet accounts so that I could trace the IP Address of any member who had downloaded the ROM before me ... just to call their ISP and have their accounts suspended so that it wouldn't happen again.

    And it got worse; I met a dealer name Da_G. He started supplying me the latest versions of kitchens so that I could make my own ROM's. No more waiting. No more pushers. I was "plugged-in" at the source. I would find all of the latest application packages, and add them to my kitchen. If I ran into a problem, I knew I could turn to him for another fix. I craved it more than life itself; I needed the latest ROM ... even before HTC thought of it.

    Near the end, it's all I could do. I even worshipped the great goddess Flar of XDA, so that I would be blessed into the order of modship just so I could get into the "inside track". I sold myself like a cheap prostitute/junkie in need of "just one more fix; and then I'll quit; honest". Then another release of Opera or SenseUI would come out; then a new version 6.5 - the cycle would repeat itself over and over.

    I found myself waiting in dark alleys looking for iPhone users just so I could show them the latest ROM I had built; "see," I would say, "I have an app for that too". I was a lost soul like those that perish in the Bermuda Triangle; except mine was that of a lost GPS signal. I found myself on street corners calling friends and asking: "Can you hear me now". I lost everything, my house, my home, my wife, my dignity, my HTC Fuze. I felt like I was in a deep dark cave unable to use the backlight of my Fuze to shine the way.

    But then, I was saved - I found ORDER. Founded on the teachings of the grand master ITJE and his three followers of the HardSPL: FALLEN SPARTAN the mystic flasher, STYLEZ the rominator, and the all-knowing MIKECHANNON; the high priest EGZTHUNDER1 seeks to enlighten those afflicted with his wisdom. He taught me that all was not lost ...

    I simply had to go buy another phone.


    My name is hilaireg and I have ORD.

    :)
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    .........................

    Sir, I have come to admit I have been avoiding it for months....I have O R D!!!! There I feel so much better now...wait (tabbing over to ROM thread checking for updates), ok nothing yet...and yes I have the entire ROM threads that I flash to subscribed, but I have beaten the email telling me there is a post in the threads I have sub to ....dang you g mail...:laugh::cyclops::laugh:

    I don't feel I am Obsessed, ok fine I am, there I admit....:p

    Thanks I feel better...:D
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    I have had ORD for over a year now but it didn't get any better.

    But admitting is the first step to solving the problem, right?