My brother wants an iPhone4S, Help me convince him to switch now to Droid.

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apollooff320

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Here in uk you can better specced phones with android hundred pound cheaper so how can iphone be competitively priced if you can better for less?

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Like he said specs mean nothing. Windows phone 7 and iOS is very optimized and run smooth unlike laggy android. It's rare to see lag on theses phones. I want to use my phone to make phone calls and play around with great looking apps and so does most people. All these phones do that but apple is way ahead of the game because not only do they have more apps their apps run better and look 10x better then their android counter part.
 

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Like he said specs mean nothing. Windows phone 7 and iOS is very optimized and run smooth unlike laggy android. It's rare to see lag on theses phones. I want to use my phone to make phone calls and play around with great looking apps and so does most people. All these phones do that but apple is way ahead of the game because not only do they have more apps their apps run better and look 10x better then their android counter part.

First you brag about specs on iphone then when you see its only gpu that's better suddenly specs are unimportant.

I don't get what apps look so bad on android? Facebook, youtube etc all look fine. Deadspace and other high end games play well. You just seem to think android is super laggy when its not. You can make any phone lag but I don't think my android is notably lagging personally.

Edit: the bragging bit was mistakenly addressed to you but was intended for the commenter about the gpu, I probably should have multi quoted.
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I have to agree facebook, twitter, youtube, gmail, browser, etc all look the equal to IOS apps. the iphone definately lags as well, i am sorry. To say otherwise is being dishonest. for example just moving to the spotlight home screen will hang from time to time for about a second. also ios uses slow smooth transitions the imo hide the time it takes the device to switch applications. certain applications crash constantly, which I know happens with android but at least with android there is the fragmentation excuse.

If you are really trying to compare appearances how can anyone say apple beats android? Every iphone home screen is identical with zero personality. now some people like minimal appearance so I am not saying it is not for some, but in general androids ui is vastly superior in appearance.
 

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Like he said specs mean nothing. Windows phone 7 and iOS is very optimized and run smooth unlike laggy android. It's rare to see lag on theses phones. I want to use my phone to make phone calls and play around with great looking apps and so does most people. All these phones do that but apple is way ahead of the game because not only do they have more apps their apps run better and look 10x better then their android counter part.

Not trying hate here but apple has been playing catch up in terms of the smart phone market.

And yes, IOS lags as well, I've experienced it on my friends iPhone 4.

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Having used an iOS device in the past (iPod touch) and currently using an Android phone (G2), I think I can safely say that the best way you can talk to him about this is to just give him a list of pros and cons for each choice. In fact, here's a nice bullet list you can use. It's a lot more productive than pointing at Apple and making fun of it and its users for being sheep, stupid, fanboys, etc. etc.

Android
Pros
  • An insane level of customization; launchers, keyboards, ROMs, you name it
  • Wide variety of phones to choose from, so there's a good chance of finding something you like (and with a big screen too)
  • Arguably more bang for your buck; pricing might be similar to an iPhone at times, but expandable storage and faster specs can win out
Cons
  • For a lot of people, the Market (or Play Store, whatever) leaves a lot to be desired. Prepare for app envy.
  • Learning curve can be steep, and customization doesn't matter to users who won't bother with it
  • Fragmentation is pretty bad, and it's likely that updates will lag way behind Google releases, if they ever come out at all

iPhone
Pros
  • The build quality is seriously nice; specs are usually worse than Android phones, but the screen is amazing
  • The App Store is filled with amazing apps, and since Apple does a good job of preventing fragmentation, they'll work
  • iTunes sync works great (and iTunes works much better on Macs than it does on PCs, by the way); thanks to the sync, iPhones make great music players, especially compared to some of the stock Android music players
Cons
  • Glass is pretty, but it breaks. Just look at how many people walk around with iPhones with broken fronts and backs.
  • Apple locks iPhones down pretty tight, so if your brother does want flexibility, it'll be time to jailbreak
  • The OS really isn't that flexible; you get apps, and that's basically it.
 

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Most people prattle on about how many more apps android offers and how customizable it is, but as seen from even the most mundane of developers, such as imagi studios (temple run), they just prefer the apple store, where apps are all optimized for the same device and updates are released more frequently. iPhones also tend to run more smoothly and reliably than a lot of phones, and the fact remains that only really high end android phones can compete with it. It is easy to see why so many choose iPhones. Convincing an apple fanatic is nearly impossible, since the love for android phones involves a more active approach in phone usage (customization, flashing roms, overclocking, etc) that iPhone users do not usually care for, and do not need to take in order to get the most out of their phones. Thus, although one may seem better than the other as smartphones, they operate in different realms and satisfy different kinds of people.

At any rate I feel like I've derailed from the main topic. I would let him get the iPhone, since it seems comfortable with it. When you've invested so much in a mac, it is only natural to purchase its complementary device and go for the whole deal. Have him save up and just buy the iPhone later if money truly is a concern for him.
 

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On Android you're not (technically) restricted to one phone. You can flash ROMS, launchers, anything, and it will make your device feel like brand new. Get an iPhone, and it's what it is. If you don't like it, you can't do **** about it because all the iOS devices are the same. And for the love of God, Android doesn't call EVERYTHING iAm**** or iCrap, i this or i that!
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Most people prattle on about how many more apps android offers and how customizable it is, but as seen from even the most mundane of developers, such as imagi studios (temple run), they just prefer the apple store, where apps are all optimized for the same device and updates are released more frequently. iPhones also tend to run more smoothly and reliably than a lot of phones, and the fact remains that only really high end android phones can compete with it. It is easy to see why so many choose iPhones. Convincing an apple fanatic is nearly impossible, since the love for android phones involves a more active approach in phone usage (customization, flashing roms, overclocking, etc) that iPhone users do not usually care for, and do not need to take in order to get the most out of their phones. Thus, although one may seem better than the other as smartphones, they operate in different realms and satisfy different kinds of people.

At any rate I feel like I've derailed from the main topic. I would let him get the iPhone, since it seems comfortable with it. When you've invested so much in a mac, it is only natural to purchase its complementary device and go for the whole deal. Have him save up and just buy the iPhone later if money truly is a concern for him.

I have to disagree on your saying people love android for the ability to flash roms or overclock etc as no one I know who loves their android phones have done either but they still stick with android when they get new phones.

But yes of course developers prefer ios, its just easier than having to ensure your app runs on the myriad of android devices out there so it makes sense.

At the end of the day though if someone wants an iphone and they love Apple products already iPhone is probably the better choice for them.

Dave

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Besides the greater flexibiltiy of the Android OS,what I like like is wide choice of Android phones . I am very rough on phones and wanted something more durable with a user replaceable battery at a reason price point .
 

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Show me a phone that has 4S GPU power, I'm waiting.

Show me what you can do with a 3.5 inches screen.

It's galaxy s3 with new 2 ghz 4 core exynos cpu and new mali gpu. It's best smartphone of 2012. Sit back and watch. You will gulp down when you see SGS3 specifications I guess its even better than your pc .
 
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Show me what you can do with a 3.5 inches screen.

It's galaxy s3 with new 2 ghz 4 core exynos cpu and new mali gpu. It's best smartphone of 2012. Sit back and watch. You will gulp down when you see SGS3 specifications I guess its even better than your pc .

I won't buy it either way cuz it will run crappy software and the next iPhone will surpass it anyhow.
 

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Show me what you can do with a 3.5 inches screen.

It's galaxy s3 with new 2 ghz 4 core exynos cpu and new mali gpu. It's best smartphone of 2012. Sit back and watch. You will gulp down when you see SGS3 specifications I guess its even better than your pc .

Sure, android phones are beasts specs-wise.
But what's the point, seriously.

Android looks far less optimized and far less smooth compared to iOS.

iOS doesn't need a quad-core to run.
Is that a drawback?

The choice IMO is (lots of great apps + smoothness + user-friendly = iOS) vs (geeky + highly customizable + freedom = Android).

Pick!
 
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apollooff320

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First you brag about specs on iphone then when you see its only gpu that's better suddenly specs are unimportant.

I don't get what apps look so bad on android? Facebook, youtube etc all look fine. Deadspace and other high end games play well. You just seem to think android is super laggy when its not. You can make any phone lag but I don't think my android is notably lagging personally.

Edit: the bragging bit was mistakenly addressed to you but was intended for the commenter about the gpu, I probably should have multi quoted.
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I installed facebook and the weather channel on my asus transformer and on a new iPad I just purchased. Apps look different and way better on the iPad. Same goes for many of the apps. I rarely see lag on the iPad compared to my Android tablet. Typing is a lot easier now too...every time I make a mistake on my Transformer and try to go back and correct it i can't even get to the word half the time; on top of that keyboard lag pisses me off. You are talking to a guy that hated Apple products until I actually tried them myself. Specs mean nothing to me anymore since I tried their products instead of blindly bashing them like many here do. Android will always have more lag then iOS and WM 7 and 8 until they re write the whole OS and this is fact.
 

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I installed facebook and the weather channel on my asus transformer and on a new iPad I just purchased. Apps look different and way better on the iPad. Same goes for many of the apps. I rarely see lag on the iPad compared to my Android tablet. Typing is a lot easier now too...every time I make a mistake on my Transformer and try to go back and correct it i can't even get to the word half the time; on top of that keyboard lag pisses me off. You are talking to a guy that hated Apple products until I actually tried them myself. Specs mean nothing to me anymore since I tried their products instead of blindly bashing them like many here do. Android will always have more lag then iOS and WM 7 and 8 until they re write the whole OS and this is fact.

I agree ios is usually smoother than same spec android phone but more recent ics phones are much better than older ones so lag isn't really a big problem anymore.

As for hating Apple I've actually always thought their products very good even though I don't like their patent war against android.

But regarding transformer yes I have heard its bad.

Dave

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Sure, android phones are beasts specs-wise.
But what's the point, seriously.

Android looks far less optimized and far less smooth compared to iOS.

iOS doesn't need a quad-core to run.
Is that a drawback?

The choice IMO is (lots of great apps + smoothness + user-friendly = iOS) vs (geeky + highly customizable + freedom = Android).

Pick!

It's a money trap with low hardware.

Why Iphone doesn't need high specs?

Because it doesn't have real multitasking - multithreading even an actual home screen to show something.

And. MY SGS IS SMOOTHER THAN ANY IPHONE. Because I can see what eats ram and delete it. Even I made a gaming mode which disables everything before game start. I can overclock my sgs if I wish. It's 1.4 ghz with stock voltage. Even GPU is %25 overclocked and stock voltage.

Which app is crap? Are you crazy??? Google API's are way better than any apple ****!!!

Don't tell me story about fragmentation. Every phone has a GPU which is different. Every PC is different too.

But all are using OpenGL 2.1 or Direct X.

Iphone is most buggy phone in the world. I can't tell all bugs now.

-3 hours battery time: (Apple: "We know It's normal")
-Call drops: (Apple: "You are holding it wrong")
-Camera button takes images rotated
-Alarm is not working after every year change. (If you set an Alarm in 31/12/2012, It wont work at 01/01/2013. That bug presents since 2006.)
-Lack of security (You can't see most lacks because it's closed source. If there is an exploit, you can never know it.)
-Safari just sucks. What the hell is it. (You can't compare it with Chrome on ICS. If you do it you must be crazy.)
-WTF is Retina Display? It's a typical LCD with no specialty.
-Stealing stuff from android.
-Trying to hold the atmosphere with HTML5 but no success.
-Android 5.0 will be based on native apps, which is 15x faster than Java and dalvik.
-When you update your Iphone 3GS to IOS5, It's more laggy than my grandmums android.
-Siri is Voice Dialler from Android.
-When you update apps from AppStore, app remains will stay. There is no dalvik to clear there.
-Nokia 3310 is smooth too. (What's the difference? It has 12byte of ram. It must be best. Even it doesn't need QUAD CORE!)
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-BUT IPHONE RUNS GREAT APPS OOOYEEEE!!!!1111

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alex2792

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It's a money trap with low hardware.

Why Iphone doesn't need high specs?

Because it doesn't have real multitasking - multithreading even an actual home screen to show something.

And. MY SGS IS SMOOTHER THAN ANY IPHONE. Because I can see what eats ram and delete it. Even I made a gaming mode which disables everything before game start. I can overclock my sgs if I wish. It's 1.4 ghz with stock voltage. Even GPU is %25 overclocked and stock voltage.

Which app is crap? Are you crazy??? Google API's are way better than any apple ****!!!

Don't tell me story about fragmentation. Every phone has a GPU which is different. Every PC is different too.

But all are using OpenGL 2.1 or Direct X.

Iphone is most buggy phone in the world. I can't tell all bugs now.

-3 hours battery time: (Apple: "We know It's normal")
-Call drops: (Apple: "You are holding it wrong")
-Camera button takes images rotated
-Alarm is not working after every year change. (If you set an Alarm in 31/12/2012, It wont work at 01/01/2013. That bug presents since 2006.)
-Lack of security (You can't see most lacks because it's closed source. If there is an exploit, you can never know it.)
-Safari just sucks. What the hell is it. (You can't compare it with Chrome on ICS. If you do it you must be crazy.)
-WTF is Retina Display? It's a typical LCD with no specialty.
-Stealing stuff from android.
-Trying to hold the atmosphere with HTML5 but no success.
-Android 5.0 will be based on native apps, which is 15x faster than Java and dalvik.
-When you update your Iphone 3GS to IOS5, It's more laggy than my grandmums android.
-Siri is Voice Dialler from Android.
-When you update apps from AppStore, app remains will stay. There is no dalvik to clear there.
-Nokia 3310 is smooth too. (What's the difference? It has 12byte of ram. It must be best. Even it doesn't need QUAD CORE!)
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-BUT IPHONE RUNS GREAT APPS OOOYEEEE!!!!1111

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I hope that you were joking,but unfortunately I think you might actually be serious.
 

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It's priced the same as other high end smartphones.

Specs are pretty worthless in general, by the way.

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That's probably the reason I use a Nokia 1100 as well then. Specs are pretty worthless. Who cares about a colour screen? Who cares about your GPU? It can run Snakes II and Space Impact + without lag at all without your quad-core or ICS or Retina Display, plus according to sales, it's the world's best phone of all time. Must be the best then.
But, seriously speaking, tell me specs don't matter when you've tried a 3GS updated to anything after iOS 4. It's absolutely terrible. That's why old Android phones don't get upgraded after they've passed their best before date - smoother older version is better than newer version that can't run your weather app properly anymore.
 
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    one thing that will make him think about it - tell him that the iphone doesnt have any porn applications,free or paid NADA....iphone is for kids 13yo below.

    android has it all...u name it.
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    - iphone's ugly looking waterdrop theme, lifeless, static icons, the entire interface is from the past and feels cheap - like a toy. ice cream sandwich is lightyears ahead in styles und functionality.

    - caged. man you cant do anything. my droid remotely controls my dslr (iphone does too, with a laptop in between, duh), locates cables in my walls when i need to drill holes, measures my sleep patterns and wakes me outside REM-phases or sends messages into REM for lucid-dreaming/astral-travel, etc. android is full freedom, everything the device is capable of android allows. iphone is a brick, i'd be bored to heck playing angry birds all day.

    - it's inability to change keyboard. most iphone users i know haven't even heard of swype. they need ages to get simple texts done or they reduce their typing to a minimum. i laugh when i see them sweating hard tapping out texts - it's a stone age thing to do really. so apple decides what's good and what's not, you have to bite the bullet and use a typing technology that was never meant to be used on a device as tiny as a smartphone. it's keyboard renders it use-less.

    - multitasking on android is awesome. droid's getting real-time facebook msg's, whatsapp, skype calls, voip calls, mail, bluetooth walkitalki, company mail, dropbox, just about every service in the net. everythings coming in nicely through subtle push-notifications. personally i have stopped using countless of programs on my laptop and the browser can go screw itself, phone is collecting everything with ease wherever i go. iphone users are not even close to that experience, again coz apple has crippled the device. they argue battery power, but what the heck, one day or two at max is fine, recharging is fast.

    convinced my girlfriend to drop her apple. :)
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    tell him to enjoy the thousands of fart apps
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    Can you take the battery out or upgrade the memory via sd yet?
    How about customise to your liking via themes?

    Oh sorry, nevermind, iPhone SUX!
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    Just let your bro get the iPhone, he might hate you for convincing him to get an Android after it starts locking up, randomly rebooting and draining battery like crazy. Your brother might also enjoy timely software updates and well design apps with consistent UI.