[UPDATE] Video Links added. GPS Dongle Test Findings on its Performance.

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clockwork58

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me too. had my prime with me and got 3 sat's in the 1 minute indoors i had to test. normally i would get 0.

will try again more later.
 

buxtahuda

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Yep, I don't see the need to use the keyboard while navigating with the Prime in the car.

Of course there's generally no need! But if we just needed and never wanted, I would be a very bored man with no awesome gadgets lol

I plan to mount the Prime, keyboard and all, just so I don't have to go docking/undocking all the time (apart from the entire unit and the stand). Just move from using it in my home to the the vehicle seamlessly, just slide it in and have power from the vehicle (and perhaps after some h/w or s/w modding, automatically improved GPS :D). Plus, I hate using just touchscreens anyway, so when not in traffic I have full functionality and a great, quick way to find whatever info I need (thank you tethering lol) on the go.

Same thing for using a 10.1" tablet for navigation at all, no one sees a need and knocks it as irrelevant or too much all the time. Doesn't mean it isn't useful, awesome, or the possible future standard: just means you're not willing to see it as such. But, you are of course just saying what's best for you, so I'm glad you're getting your needs (and wants! ;)) from the dongle. A rare few of us are still left out in the cold, but we're the few likely to mod even if the Prime had come in perfectly and as advertised lol

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Lol, I'm just submitted :mad: Looks like I'll be waiting a while. I spaced it and registered a day late :/
 
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MRCANNADY

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Of course there's generally no need! But if we just needed and never wanted, I would be a very bored man with no awesome gadgets lol

I plan to mount the Prime, keyboard and all, just so I don't have to go docking/undocking all the time (apart from the entire unit and the stand). Just move from using it in my home to the the vehicle seamlessly, just slide it in and have power from the vehicle (and perhaps after some h/w or s/w modding, automatically improved GPS :D). Plus, I hate using just touchscreens anyway, so when not in traffic I have full functionality and a great, quick way to find whatever info I need (thank you tethering lol) on the go.

Same thing for using a 10.1" tablet for navigation at all, no one sees a need and knocks it as irrelevant or too much all the time. Doesn't mean it isn't useful, awesome, or the possible future standard: just means you're not willing to see it as such. But, you are of course just saying what's best for you, so I'm glad you're getting your needs (and wants! ;)) from the dongle. A rare few of us are still left out in the cold, but we're the few likely to mod even if the Prime had come in perfectly and as advertised lol

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Lol, I'm just submitted :mad: Looks like I'll be waiting a while. I spaced it and registered a day late :/

I hear you. Me myself I have never used any of my tablets as a gps device, honestly speaking is there really a need for one in tablets at all?? I figure that Apple (bad name to use here, I know) thought the same, this is why the wifi models come with AGPS only. In all honesty, i would bet that more than half of the people complaining about gps will probably barely use the dongle after a few weeks. My tab is just for games, movies, music and some work. If I need Google maps and GPS, that's what my phone is for
 

chivas228

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what am I going to do with my protective sleeve if i'm going to use GPS on my Prime? surely it won't fit with it on.... :confused:
 

buxtahuda

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I hear you. Me myself I have never used any of my tablets as a gps device, honestly speaking is there really a need for one in tablets at all?? I figure that Apple (bad name to use here, I know) thought the same, this is why the wifi models come with AGPS only. In all honesty, i would bet that more than half of the people complaining about gps will probably barely use the dongle after a few weeks. My tab is just for games, movies, music and some work. If I need Google maps and GPS, that's what my phone is for

It's just the screen-size and view-ability. I have to zone in on my 3.7" phone, and then actually using it is a nuisance because I'm a larger person, my fingers easily get in the way of seeing relevant info. Not so with the Prime, can get everything easily at a glance and work it without losing sight of the important information. Then there's the Super IPS+ so your info is easy to see even with sunglasses (hopefully, I'll be testing this as I've just thought of it today).

My phone is straight up telecommunications and a portable hot-spot for data (including GPS to the Prime ATM lol). I keep mostly all the same apps across the board, but honestly my phone is just a phone for me; that's what I get for a smaller year old phone though, I'm sure my tune would change if I picked up one of those HTC One X's or something :D

It's just easier to see and focus on. I've seen some older posters saying just this, they're using tablets as GPS devices because of eyesight and ease-of-use.



Besides, then when I get pulled over the cop can do a double-take at my superior mobile work station lol
 

MRCANNADY

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It's just the screen-size and view-ability. I have to zone in on my 3.7" phone, and then actually using it is a nuisance because I'm a larger person, my fingers easily get in the way of seeing relevant info. Not so with the Prime, can get everything easily at a glance and work it without losing sight of the important information. Then there's the Super IPS+ so your info is easy to see even with sunglasses (hopefully, I'll be testing this as I've just thought of it today).

My phone is straight up telecommunications and a portable hot-spot for data (including GPS to the Prime ATM lol). I keep mostly all the same apps across the board, but honestly my phone is just a phone for me; that's what I get for a smaller year old phone though, I'm sure my tune would change if I picked up one of those HTC One X's or something :D

It's just easier to see and focus on. I've seen some older posters saying just this, they're using tablets as GPS devices because of eyesight and ease-of-use.



Besides, then when I get pulled over the cop can do a double-take at my superior mobile work station lol

I have been telling my wife about the Prime's GPS issues. Her first comment was like, "what the heck do you need GPS on a tablet for" lol. We have a dedicated GPS device in the car, so I would only use the Prime for movie viewing while traveling. My wife absolutely loves my Prime, especially with the dock. She has the Galaxy Tab 10.1, and besides picking the Galaxy's color display over the Primes(Amoled=over saturated colors) She definitely prefers the Prime's look, thinness, weight and built quality. I appreciate the effort by Asus, but i really don't think i will be using the dongle, I would rather use AGPS and keep my keyboard connected instead.
 

Techienana

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Re the sunglasses and the screen - that would be a definite yes. I use my tablet in our vehicle all the time and on bright days I have to wear my sunglasses due to being a little sensitive to bright light. The screen looks great on Super and on not so bright days I can even use it on regular IPS.

And ditto on what Buxtahuda said about the older ones (that'd be me!) finding the screen size to be a real plus when using GPS. I usually ride in the front passenger seat and get to guide my husband and he likes getting a quick look at the map but on our cellphones, even my nice Samsung Galaxy S II, he can't see the map So bigger is better for older eyes.
 

Eoin247

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I applied for the dongle, but i only did so because i can and it's free.

Really am not interested much in GPS, Would much rather proper WiFi on this thing. The mind boggles as to why they are addressing a removed spec before a spec that is actually still with the product.
 
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7786

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WTH I applied on 4/16 and mine still just says submitted.

*EDIT* Ok so I think it is because I have a champagne prime. Has anyone received a champagne dongle yet?

I ordered on 4/6 when the application went up prematurely, and my status is still at "application submitted ". Champagne prime here.
 

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I'm looking forward to a good ROM with Cornerstone so I can have one window with navigation, one with Trapster, and another with Slacker or Pandora.

Sent from my Transformer Prime TF201 using Tapatalk
 

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I hear you. Me myself I have never used any of my tablets as a gps device, honestly speaking is there really a need for one in tablets at all?? I figure that Apple (bad name to use here, I know) thought the same, this is why the wifi models come with AGPS only. In all honesty, i would bet that more than half of the people complaining about gps will probably barely use the dongle after a few weeks. My tab is just for games, movies, music and some work. If I need Google maps and GPS, that's what my phone is for

the new Ipad wifi model doesn't even have AGPS. it only has wifi and digital compass for its location services. I posted the screenshot of the official apple spec in another thread or something a week or ago.
 

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OK...this is for the people that asked for the wallpapers used in my photos from this thread and Land of Droid. I've attached a zip file with those wallpapers and some others for you all. all of them high resolution pics.
 

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    Well now that the GPS dongle is a go, I can release my findings on how well this solution performs for our Transformer Prime tablets. Asus pushed out a FOTA last Thursday to add software support for new GPS dongle. most probably never noticed it as it was a forced update.

    First off, here is Asus official literature on how to install it and enable it: ftp://ftp.asus.com.tw/pub/asus/EeePAD/TF201/E7282_TF201_GPS_Extension_Kit_QSG_English.pdf

    Here is where to go to sign up, register, and fill out dongle application info. You will have to log in first to register. If this is your first time or never logged in before, make a free account then proceed. https://vip.asus.com/login.aspx or Just go to Asus event page where it has detailed info on it http://event.asus.com/ASUSPad/TF201GPS/

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    Here are Pictures of what it looks like by itself and attached to the prime. please note these pics are zoomed up to try to show more detail on what it looks like. They dongle is not as big as some seem to exaggerate it being. its actually small, thin, very lightweight, and build quality is very good on it. The engineering sample I have matches the color of my prime, the Amethyst Gray version.
    www.landofdroid.com/2012/exclusive-first-pictures-of-the-asus-transformer-prime-gps-dongle/
    [UPDATE] SCROLL DOWN TO BOTTOM OF POST FOR UPDATED HIGH RES PICS

    The GPS Dongle, IMO, is a great design and implementation of a viable solution to a problem the consumer thought Asus forgot about. Well they didn't and are now providing us with a solution/Fix. Once GPS dongle is attached and locked, it doesn't budge at all. its attached very securely. you will likely use auto screen rotate so the screen can flip upside down so you can hold the prime with the dongle pointed towards the sky. Basically hold prime upside down. which won't matter because screen rotates to show everything right side up properly.

    Now to the good stuff. I tested this dongle based on what some of the more hardcore GPS users are always saying to test. I made sure to cut wifi off, cut off all location services, and do a fresh reboot on tablet before starting my GPS tests. So the prime wont be using any Agps data. Which in my case, never helped my prime anyways before. Keep in mind my Prime, by its own internal GPS chip, has never seen a GPS satellite or lock indoors, outdoors, or while driving. I attached dongle and got satellite fixes and locks immediately. Actually within a few seconds. It was very fast. This is night and day difference in my experience with GPS. I am now seeing alot of GPS satellites indoors and getting locks. It got even better and accuracy improved as I went to my balcony. More satellites and locks increased also.

    Now I already know some of the more hardcore GPS users will be like so what and say My GPS can see satellites and get locks also. The real test comes when you try to move or drive. Normally the prime internal GPS would instantly lose its locks And/Or accuracy is very poor. Well that's not the case anymore. I made sure to especially test this while driving. FOR PEOPLE WANTING TO USE PRIME FOR NAVIGATING WHILE DRIVING OR WHATEVER, THIS GPS DONGLE NOW PROVIDES A REAL WORLD SOLUTION AND WORKS VERY WELL. I don't have a mount in my Magnum for the prime so i either had it sitting on my lap or on the passenger seat. I wasn't about to put it on my dashboard to be sliding all around and possibly break it..lol. Once I got in vehicle and activated GPS, it immediately start picking up alot of satellites and locking on to them. I was seeing like 16 satellites and having 9-10 locks. Accuracy was very good. within a few feet actually. Once I proceeded to drive, The dongle consistently held the satellites and locks. Even once I hit the highway and proceeded to speeds in excess of 60-70mph, GPS Dongle still held all its 15+ satellites and I always had at least 9-10 satellites locked. I never lost a satellite lock once or it would always fluctuate between 9-10 locks or more. I tested this while driving repeated times over several days. Accuracy was always very good. I set my GPS test to show me accuracy in feet and not meters. always showed accuracy within a few feet. Accuracy saw best results of about 4Ft. and worst of about 10ft. All very good. It consistently held satellites, locks, and accuracy.

    I know some are wondering, since this doesn't have a pass through to allow charging, how is battery life. I'd have to say for the time I used it, it hardly drained the battery at all. my battery drain came from cutting on super ips+ mode so i could easily see the display while outdoors or driving. I did attach dongle to prime and left the GPS on for a while, at normal brightness settings, to see how much of drains battery. well to me, it hardly drained the battery at all. Plus if you really concerned about battery life, you could easily put prime into battery savings mode to make battery last that much longer. I can easily see this Gps dongle being able to survive long trips navigating. While traveling, if you just using the prime to Navigate with GPS on, then you should have no issue with the battery lasting the whole trip. This will easily last a several hour long road trip, even longer if prime put into battery savings mode.

    I have attached screenshots of my GPS Test app results. I also tried using GPS Status and worked well. This dongle also worked great with Google earth, cached mode. So it'll work just great with any offline Navigation app. CoPilot is one I hear thrown around alot for being a great offline one. REMEMBER, I ONLY TESTED THIS WITH WIFI OFF, ALL LOCATION SERVICES TURNED OFF, AND AFTER A FRESH REBOOT. SO MY SCREENSHOTS REFLECT THAT ONLY. I NEVER TESTED THIS WITH WIFI OR OTHER LOCATION SERVICES TURNED ON EXCEPT FOR GPS. ALSO ALL TESTS WERE ALWAYS AFTER A FRESH REBOOT OF TABLET AFTER OTHER THINGS WERE TURNED OFF.

    First set of pics was while indoors and on my balcony. I'm higher up and there are alot of tall buildings and such surrounding me.
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    This is what I saw while traveling in car. keep in mind it consistently held these locks. I never once lost the locks or GPS satellites. Always held at least 9-10 locks or so.
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    I will entertain any reasonable questions about its performance, design, or battery life you may have. Please keep the hating down to a minimum. This is an informative thread for those curious to how their dongle will perform once they receive it. Not a thread to debate on why you don't like it, or why you hate Asus, or whatever. This is a real solution for people who truly want to use prime as a navigation device while driving. My results surely could've even been better if I had a car, window, or dashboard mount. all tests was while it was in my lap or on the passenger seat, or when I propped it up with GPS facing the up on my center console right before my transmission gear selector stick. I can see this working great for people driving, hiking, or even flying. it now sees alot of satellites and always hold the locks. no more dropped GPS reception or going off the grid..lol

    Thanks to Asus for allowing me to test this out in advance and Thanks to members involved in a Positive movement of Prime forums. Thanks also to all the great developers we have in developement section using their free time to make this product even better for us. Its greatly appreciated. Also Thanks to members actually helping out others here in XDA. All we want is to learn more about our devices, share information and tips, and learn how to modify device with the best tweaks, mods, and custom ROMS/Kernels. People don't want to be up here fighting with each other everyday. There comes a time when enough is enough. ;) Can't wait to see what else Asus has in store for us in the future. Whether it be software updates, any further hardware tweaks, or future products. All I can say is, in my experience, Asus has treated me well. They have done more than any other company I've seen before. Especially here in the forums. They are trying their best to fix problems and provide solutions and that's all that matters. Asus has me on board for future products as the Prime was my first Asus experience. For me, its been a great one. A very exciting roller coaster ride here in XDA..lol

    P.s. something I forgot to add. another member pointed this out. MAKE SURE TO REMOVE THE 2 RUBBER PLUGS IN THE DOCK CONNECTORS BEFORE YOU ATTACH THE GPS DONGLE ;)

    UPDATE: NEW HIGH RES PICS ADDED!

    Up Close front of dongle. part that will facing you
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    Back of dongle. part that covers back of tablet.
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    A look at the 40pin connector inside the groove of dongle piece
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    Up close look at 40pin connector
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    GPS Dongle attached to my prime. Front view
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    GPS Dongle attached to prime. view from the back. I know the back of my prime needs cleaning..lmao
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    [UPDATE 4/19/2012]

    Well some people have started receiving their dongle. We have a member, Dude2k5, who has opened up his dongle to see what makes it tick inside. So thanks goes to him for these new pics of what the GPS dongle looks opened up.
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    update: Gps(Dongle) Extension Kit Test Videos link added. Courtesy of JJdevega
    if you want to see confirmed videos of the dongle getting locks indoors, outdoors(stationary), and while driving, Click on the link
    http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1610199

    pix will be back up soon ;)
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    All I can say is, kudos to ASUS for coming up with a solution for, probably, 99% (or some large percentage) of Prime owners out there. Yes, it's conceivable that a person might have a 12-hour road trip where they want to use the Prime for navigation and never have breaks for charging (where the quick charging nature of the Prime is an advantage). So, it's not a solution for EVERYONE. Personally, I'd use a dedicated GPS unit for that kind of trip, but that's just me--I'm not saying it's not a disappointment for some, just that the number of folks who will be impacted is likely minimal.

    As far as it not working in the dock, again, that's a theoretical disadvantage for most and might be an actual disadvantage for some people. Proof of the adage that you can't ever please everyone.

    As far as Apple fans attacking the Prime and ASUS, that's of course ridiculous. The iPad wifi-only (the actual competitor to the Prime) has no GPS whatsoever, and the Prime will work identically to the iPad without the dongle. I can't see how the option of excellent GPS with the dongle isn't vastly superior to absolutely no GPS on the iPad, but then perhaps those particular Apple fans live in an alternative universe where logic doesn't apply.

    For those people who bought their Primes and exceeded their return policies before the GPS issue was widely acknowledged, I think there's reason to be disappointed. I think ASUS should continue to offer refunds for those people.

    For everyone else (in particular people who kept their Primes but could have returned them, while being fully aware of the GPS issue), I think ASUS has gone above and beyond. Certainly, there's nothing stopping them from producing a device that, like the iPad, has no GPS. So long as they've marketed it without GPS (and no, I don't think having GPS listed obscurely on the box is "marketing it" as having GPS). So, they could at any point have simply left it as, "The Prime has no GPS capabilities. Don't buy it if you're looking to use a tablet for navigation." But they didn't--they came out with a solution that will work extremely well for anyone who doesn't need to use it for greater than, say, the 8 hours the Prime will last on a charge or with the keyboard dock. And, they're providing that solution for free.

    As far as I'm concerned, we're square...
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    Well just to poke the bear, I thought I'd throw an observation in there.

    One of the unique features of the Prime's OE GPS spec. was the addition of reception of the Russian Glonass GPS satellites. Only a few devices have these receivers. the Prime being one of them. In all the previous testing (before 'dongle'), you'd see satellite #'s up to ~34, those would be U.S. GPS satellites. You'd also see #'s in the 60's 70's and 80's (IIRC); these are the Glonass Satellites. Looking at Demandarin's test pictures, all the satellite #'s are in the 34 and below category; meaning a standard U.S. GPS reception chip is in the dongle.

    I've used GPS a LOT, and even with a sensitive receiver, there are weather patterns, solar issues, etc that can mess with the GPS; so having an extra 24 satellites to receive from could make a measurable difference on a 'bad' day. Is this all splitting hairs? Probably, but this dongle doesn't complete the OE spec outlined, and I'm probably only 1 in a million that even noticed that bit in the first place. This dongle goes a long way towards fixing one of the issues that was known and ignored in the rush to production... If I were them, I'd have put a wi-fi receiver in the thing as well.
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    I'm glad ASUS came up with a fix, but the fix doesn't allow you to use the dongle and the keyboard attached, or dongle and charge.

    I know this has all been said before on other forums, but when you spend £500 on a device that includes a keyboard dock, you shouldn't have to expect an add-on to negates the keyboards use.

    A good interim solution, but hopefully ASUS will come up with a better solution, or allow us to trade in our Primes against the TF700.

    Thanks for the great post though.


    This to me is the solution. We didn't have to pay for it so nothing is coming out of our pockets. It's not a big deal that we can't plug in our docks or be able to charge it while dongle is attached. As for me if I'm using GPS out on the road. I don't use my keyboard dock since all I'm using it for is the Navigation. I won't need to have it plugged in since it doesn't drain battery and putting in power save saves even more. Just be content and happy that Asus is doing this for us. You can't say that for the rest of them and I understand how you feel about it. But the past is in the past can't change it. I'm moving forward knowing that I'm satisfied with my prime dongle and all:)
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    For hardware hackers only:

    Dongle charger mod should be straightforward. TF101 can be charged using 5V@2A or 15V@1.2A. TF300T also uses the same power adapter in its FCC doc FCC doc. Prime likely has same arrangement.

    Partial pin-out of 40-pin connector here. If you need a spare 40-pin connector, see this thread.

    Mod a female Standard-A connector into the dongle housing somewhere. Since Prime will be mounted upside-down in your vehicle (so dongle will be at top), it's up to you to find a suitable location & angle to mount the connector so it doesn't look ghetto. Connect USB connector to pins 1-4 of the 40-pin connector on the dongle, per pin-out above. Plug into an iPad 5V@2A charger, and cross your fingers. If you see smoke, RMA. Cause: defective charger. Just don't tell them it's DIY. :)

    As has been mentioned in TF101 threads, charge indicator probably won't come on. But charge current should be sufficient to keep battery from being depleted.