[Howto] Battery Calibration

AS ALWAYS I AM NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR WHAT YOU CHOOSE TO DO WITH YOUR PERSONAL DEVICE, PERIOD.

Battery Calibration and Other Tips from RealPariah

To save space on the post I am moving to spoiler type Q/A. Just click the SHOW CONTENT button for a given guide or answer to show the related information

Folks seem to keep asking a lot of the same questions so I have begun this thread at first to answer the Battery Calibration [Manually] and now I am going to keep adding things I find users keep asking about. Hopefully this will help alleviate the Dev Threads and please feel free to Link here in ROM directions I will try to break up things in to posts so you can link to a certain post for a certain item.

RealPariah's Manual Battery Calibration Methods

First is just whenever; Below that will be how to calibrate on flash of new ROM.

When I talk of charging it is highly highly recommended you use the AC adaptor and charge with phone off for absolute best results.

Calibrate Anytime
[Reminder: To save space on the post I am moving to spoiler type Q/A. Just click the SHOW CONTENT button right below to see the steps in battery calibration]

Just remember it may take several days for phone to generate statistics and for this to fully settle in.

Calibrate Battery at ROM Install

as above it takes several days for battery stays to fully generate and settle in!

Hope they helps, and in my multiple tests seems to really make sure you get best performance!

Device: Samsung Tmobile S2 [SGH-T989]
ROM: Paranoid Android 2.52
Tweak Script: Newest Supercharger V6 with modified services.jar+KaK+3G Turbo Boost

Battery Calibration and other USEFUL ANDROID INFORMATION as answers to repeated ??s

JB AND ICS ROM Installation Procedure [or any ROM really]
**If You Follow the steps below it should clear any residual files and should leave you with a totally blank slate for the ROM to install on. So, be sure to do Nandroid and/or Titanium Backup as your scenario dictates**

First, to be thorough you should have 100% battery before flashing for best battery life.

Supplies:(links will be added)

*NEW* SEE Section BELOW INSTALL STEPS FOR HOW TO CHECK A ZIP FILES MD5 Signature via an ANDROID PHONE

ROM Installation Guide
New Addition 2012.07.10
UPGRADING YOUR ROM WITHOUT WIPING USER DATA AND APPS!
This can only be done when upgrading from a previous to a new version of of your current ROM OR if you go from a ROM's base to the ROM [ie Paranoid Android is based on CM10 and you should be able to install Paranoid if you have CM10 without formatting your storage. This does also include how many changes exist between your current version and the one you are installing [ie you have Paranoid 2.2 installed and you try to install 2.52 you are more apt to have issues and/or errors than if you went from 2.51 to 2.52, so I can't account for EVERY scenario, use your best judgement please]. If this is your FIRST FLASH OF CM9 FOLLOW ABOVE INSTRUCTIONS AND USE TITANIUM BACKUP OR LIKE APP TO CARRY OVER USER APPS ONLY!
*BEFORE THE POSTING BEGINS YES I HAVE TESTED THIS USING NIGHTLY BUILDS AND HAVE DONE THIS OH ONLY ABOUT 12 TIMES IN THE LAST 14 DAYS! IT WORKS EVERY TIME!* I have also done this with both Clockwork Recovery 5.0.2.7 AND Clockwork TOUCH RECOVERY 5.8.1.3. I have not tried and will not risk using the Open Source Recovery [you can tell you are using it if the touch buttons are up and down and the enter key on the bottom of LCD screen and Clockwork Touch is the one the menu options themselves are tappable [If not sure install ROM Manager and have it install one or the other]]

Supplies
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Upgrade Guide
How To Run MD5 Check on Downloaded Zips Before Flashing
Screenshots will be added also (please bear with me as I have time). This will be via phone so it helps the most people it can I will add a Windows version as well soon, but this will work even if you have no computer.

Supplies and the Basics
Checking a Downloaded Zip's MD5 Signature on an Android Device Guide
Device: Samsung Tmobile S2 [SGH-T989]
ROM: Newest Paranoid Android [Currently 2.52]
Tweak Script: Newest Supercharger V6 with modified services.jar+KaK+3G Turbocharger

FAQs and Links to Other Useful Informational Threads

[size ="3"] How do I know when it is time to try and recalibrate my battery?

You can tell when if your phone says 0 battery and shuts down yet you can still power it on for any length of time. Basically, the OS uses statistics to judge what the exact battery level is when displaying in status bar as well as when to alert you to low battery. Have you ever gotten low battery warning and then a min later it rebounds and alerts again? I have and that again demonstrates the OS is not always dead on. Also, switching batteries usually aggravated this as well. I have also had users who have used same ROM for long periods of time and it degraded so slowly they hardly noticed then after it is re-calibrated it helps a lot. All that to say there are a few indicators, but using your judgment (*gasp*) if you feel it may be off give this a shot. I do not recommend running it every day or every boot but once every several weeks or roughly 30 charge cycles (whichever comes first (kinda like oil changes in cars use judgment and changing the oil does not mean you gain 100 miles to the gallon poor a million horsepower, you instead website the car (or battery here) is in top shape and runs the best it can.



Everyone keeps asking me to search for my questions/answers before posting but that is a lot of scrolling, how do I save time searching for the information I need?

CTRL+F [Windows or Linux] or Command Key+F [OS X] should allow you to search the webpage currently in view [all text not just what you can see, but all text on page period]

OR using:

" Site:forums.xda-developers.com" (without quotes unless you want the results to include every word just how you typed it search to be in the results shown, also, try different variations of your error or question not just a long written out sentence) at http://www.google.com and this will limit your results to only those pages on xda forums (you could copy/paste URL from inside any sub-forum to further limit searches [i.e. site:http://xdaforums.com/forumdisplay.php?f=1332 would limit you to the Galaxy S2 T989 DEV forum only for results]

What is with some ROMs asking for me to use CWM Touch [OR NON-Touch]?
I have been using CWM Touch latest for sometime [Current: 5.8.1.3] (being since it first released)
and I have used it to flash EVERYTHING whether it is a Gingerbread or ICS ROM whether the thread said not to or to specifically use Touch doesn't matter.

Also, I can flash anything from either internal or external SD with really no difference [I seem to get an occasional flash error via external SD and have to flash a 2nd time but I use an old SD so prolly more the cells slowly going]

From my own testing it seems to be either user error or bad flash [keep in mind EVEN if you download the file right and it is read right sometimes you can have a bad flash because during the file copy process a random hiccup happened so rarely RARELY I have to re-flash and/or re-download the zip. JUST BE SURE TO DOWNLOAD ALL ZIPs VIA WIFI YOU INTEND TO FLASH as this will have less errors during data transfers as opposed to a cellular data connection like 4G. You could also use an MD5 signature checker [versions for android and desktop pcs are available easily by searching] and if OP posts MD5 signature you can verify your download before you even try to flash which can help. Of course MD5 checks on the phone will most likely take longer than if you use a computer, but if on comp be sure TO COPY ZIP TO SOME KIND OF PHONE STORAGE BEFORE CHECKING MD5 AS THE XFER FROM THE COMPUTER TO THE PHONE COULD CAUSE AN ERROR NOT CAUGHT IF YOU RUN MD5 CHECK BEFORE COPYING ZIP TO THE PHONE. I will be posting a quick how to check MD5 guide hopefully today.

After I Install my New ROM I am getting errors no one else seems to have, WHAT GIVES?!

I keep seeing users say I have FCs all this stuff doesn't work, while in OP it clearly states all the issues they post of are all working. In my experience of helping users in these spots one of the following is normally to blame...

>> Did you Download ROM over WiFi Only? If No, you need to do so it causes less errors in file to download via WiFi and not Cellular Data [2g, 3g, 4g, etc.]

>> Did You Run MD5 Check on ROM ZIP AFTER download? If No, You really should even if using WiFi only you could possibly have a transfer error [rare but happens due to many factors]. I have posted guide below install steps on how to verify MD5 on downloaded files

>> Did you use Kernel Cleanser, Darkside Super Wipe, and Fix Permissions v2 [my flash zip]? If NO, You really need to follow the guide and be sure you fully wipe data [DO NOT WIPE EMMC OR INTERNAL SD PERIOD] FULLY [just hitting format won't do it especially if installing ICS, hopefully will change soon, but until then you need a clean slate to install ANY ICS ROM EVER, YES EVEN UPGRADES].

>> Did you skip restart allow boot THEN Restart in to recovery Clear Dalvick cache and cache run fix perms v2 and restart? IF YES, you should stop now and do that restart recovery clear cache, clear Dalvick cache and run fix perms [built-in fix perms wont work must use flash pack]

>> I FOLLOWED Everything and Still have a problem, What now, genius?
Well, sadly, like everything computer and tech SOMETIMES [albeit rare] if you MD5 checked your download and did EVERYTHING right SOMETIMES there may still have been an error when copying files, setting symlinks, or setting permissions during install that while it didn't cause major problem still caused issues. I have had to flash ICS ROMs twice before to get things to fully take [Seems better now on T-mobile based leak than the Skyrocket based leak [imagine that], but can still happen even if EVERYTHING was done right. Just be sure to follow directions again to make sure you didn't gloss over something small and flash again.

I am getting weird errors out of any GAPPS [GMail, GTalk, Market com.google.gapps, etc] After installing a ROM [Darkside evolution is one I BELIEVE], How do I fix that one?

I found that when I removed apks from /system/app in Darkside 2b1 [tw launcher, snstw (twitter) snsli [LinkedIn], Mini Diary, Mini Notes, the Yahoo Stock watching apps, etc] that I got FCs from Google Talk [even though i never touched it, and com.google.gapps [again removed google quick search box but otherwise should never have had an error]. I tried MANY different fixes over many restarts [clear caches fix perms, put the removed apps back everything].

Then I flashed Newest Gapps from http://goo.im/gapps [I believe it is 2012.04.03 [should be newest for CM9 at top of page and no you dont need separate facelock pack as that is included since 2012.0.23 pack so DONT flash facelock ICS labeled pack I had to re-install a different ROM after I accidentally pulled that one myself.

How do I mount my external_sdcard as /sdcard?
I have found the following guide on how to do just that! Mostly useful only if your micro sd is larger than the 11G internal sd the phone already has. As always, be careful, read entire post before starting, run a full nandroid backup. This is not my work, and ask you to thank the OP if you find this useful.

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1454753

OH NO, I am getting Bad Connection to Battery Error Messgae [and/or] When in charging screen [phone off battery grapic on display] and I see a yellow caution sign with a broken battery [and in some cases a rapid vibrate] IS MY PHONE DEAD?!

I ran across this myself not too long ago... First the Basics of how/why this happens the the rundown of how I fixed it

How/Why
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Ok, so you are getting an error message stating bad connection to battery, or your phone is constantly restarting [this is not the only cause] and/or I got a weird yellow caution icon in the charge only screen [the screen seen when phone is off but plugged in to charger] [you may also get a series of quick vibrates as well in charge only screen with this as well].

From my research this seems to be caused by shutdown hangs when phone turns off when OS states 0% battery and goes to auto shutdown [may also happen if like 0 - 1% and you hit shutdown]. When the phone is about dead and goes to shutdown the capacitive lights [that bottom row of menu, home, back, search] stay off. The problem comes in if the ROM you are using hangs during this time. Contrary to popular belief when the OS says 0% and shuts down THIS DOES NOT MEAN THE BATTERY ITSELF IS AT FULLY 0% CHARGE. ANY BATTERY [not taking in to account so new experimental tech that may be out or come along come on lets be reasonable here] CAN NEVER BE TRULY FULLY DRAINED. If this were to occur you would need a special deep trickle charge device to breathe life back in to the battery. So now that's explained...

If shutdown hangs when the battery was already as dead as it can be unless you have that special device if it stays hung then it will very slowly take the battery past this safe point and you run the risk of killing it in such a way you cant revive it with a normal fast charger. Now of course since the phone is in a shutdown state it will hardly use any power at all and this should take hours [if not a couple days; I dunno as I dont want to test this and see how far you can push it] to get to the point of absolutely no return.

So when you go to even plug in to charge Android detects this and assumes the battery is damaged and is truly dead or close to it and warns you.

THE FIX
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So after that happened when I went ot plug it in to charge the next morning [as I forgot to try to do it before bed and that would have shown a hang and I would have reseated battery and it would have been fine] I got to charge only with the yellow caution symbol and it was constantly quick vibrating so I hurried and pulled the battery and tried to put it back and got no boot vibrate and could not get charge only screen so I called Tmo and went through the motions and they agreed it was the battery and since they only replace phones referred me to Samsung

I called Samsung and to get a new battery they have A CRAZY RMA Policy [to force you to buy a battery rather than get a replacement] where you need the ORIGINAL receipt and then to wait for them to ship you a label [not next day; 5 business days], send it to them, wait for testing, and wait for them to send a new one back [again the SLOW way]. Since I dont have my receipt and refused to wait the crazy 4ish weeks it prolly would turn out to be I called them crazy and hung up. What I did was to leave the battery out of my phone for roughly 12 hours - 1 day [trying to just reseat the battery turned out to do no good the phone would not even boot vibrate even after a couple tries] then when I put it back I got it to boot to charge only screen with the warning and no constant vibrate this time]. I then waited a few min to try and ensure the battery got some charge and then pulled it out and reseated it and plugged phone back in [if you leave charger plugged in phone stays kinda on have to unplug charger AND reseat battery then plug it back in EVERY TIME].

THIS TIME I GOT TO CHARGE ONLY WITH NO WARNINGS! I let it sit for 12 hours [ENSURE it is FULLY CHARGED AS BEST YOU CAN] and I was able to boot the phone. For the next several days I would get random restarts and on occasion I would get an error stating Bad connection to battery. When that happened I had to pull battery reseat it and restart the phone [sometimes a few good times in a row stick with it] and over those few days I CAREFULLY monitored the battery to be sure I did full charge cycles [charged it fully in charge only and as soon as it auto shutdown I made sure to get it RIGHT on the charger [and pulled battery and made sure to see charge only screen to ensure another hang up didnt get me].

After those few days, I felt comfortable to CHARGE IT FULLY IN CHARGE ONLY and ran through calibrating the battery. After the calibration I no longer got random restarts or errors saying Bad Connection to Battery and ever since it has been good to go.

I know that was a little long winded but trying to get all the info in there as I AM NOT TESTING THE CONDITIONS THAT BROUGHT THIS ON TO FURTHER REFINE THE STEPS. Unless someone wants to buy me a couple spare batteries to test this and I know I have a good spare to fall back on.

Device: Samsung Tmobile S2 [SGH-T989]
ROM: Paranoid Android 2.52
Tweak Script: Newest Supercharger V6 with modified services.jar+KaK+3G Turbocharger

Locksmith81 said:

Which Android versions? So people aren't confused

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All Android versions apply I would specify in title of my thread if it were limited just tailored to be best method with our device regardless of OS as long as you have cwm or most other custom recoveries.

Device: Samsung Tmobile S2 [SGH-T989]
ROM: Yaldak's Vanilla ICS RC2
Radio: Blaze 4g ICS Radio
Tweak Script: Newest Supercharger V6 ICS with modified services.jar
Superchargers 3g turbo boost
(specific T989 pack as next project)

DannyB513 said:

I agree with what Google said about battery calibration and conditioning, it is a placebo effect. I have never calibrated nor conditioned my battery and always get anywhere from 15 hours to 2 days use out of my battery depending on use.

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LoL and if you abuse battery by leaving it plugged in our never fully charging discharging battery and statistics are messed up or a bad flash corrupts them what you get new battery?

All I can say is I have seen huge gains on devices doing this, yes it won't help to do it all the time that is a placebo, but trust me in real world with folks not always using devices per manufacturers guidelines (cough rooting and custom ROMs cough) it can really help.

Trust me I don't post info unless I exhaustively test something and can vouch for results myself on multiple devices and with multiple user feedbacks (just ask mysticfrog if it is worth reading what I post )

To each his own though you don't have to follow my advice if you choose not to I ain't gonna show up at your house or anything )

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icenight89 said:

This method works not because u wipe battery stats, but because u reset the battery memory, which is built into the battery itself. Google has confirmed the myth, wipe battery stats simply deletes a bin file that android creates on each reboot that track your app usage per charge, that is all.

It should also be noted that doing the method frequently will actually have ADVERSE affects on your battery. Completely discharging newer lithium batteries can result in dead cells, so be careful.

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Well FYI, there is actually no way to FULLY discharge a battery UNLESS you left it without charging for days or weeks by fully discharging we mean until phone wont turn back on which leaves plenty of charge for a couple weeks still there. If battery EVER FULLY discharged you would need a special deep slow charger to revive it. You can trust I have been on computers and technically minded since I was VERY young [over 20+ years experience in computers and related devices]

Keep in mind Google engineers may not want to say admit there could ever be a battery issue that could be blamed on something like a stats file as that could open them to lawsuits since they do not disclose that at time of sale so sometimes what google may say on something while not an out right lie by any means will be shaded to benefit them every time [they have to make money can't blame them too much ] LLike they just got caught overriding browser privacy settings be exploiting an old loophole in cookie code so even if you said to deny google based cookies they were still getting all the tracking info they needed from you, or in UK [and here but under investigation] when they had the street cars for maps out and got caught gathering unencrypted wireless data to include passwords, emails, internet traffic, etc.] or how they just released that they are now spending 5 BILLION in lobbying in Washington up 5 fold from only a couple years ago. Not trying to say you cant listen to what they have to say just saying maybe you could investigate what they say just like you read my post and were not satisfied and went looking for information.

CORRECT, you wipe the statistics file SAVED ON THE DEVICE that saves your statistical information about your usage as battery charge changes [the file on the battery is actually just for dating, # of charge cycles, and current charge level you cant mess with that]. BUT, the statistics file ON the phone can be erased. By doing this you wipe away the files if they are corrupt OR have outdated information for say a differnt ROM with DIFFERENT usage conditions.

I already said you shouldn't do this everyday there is no gain from that, but if you say are home body and leave it plugged in all day everyday for a month and then go to go on a trip your battery will die too fast as the statistics Android is using are based on being plugged in all the time [NOT RECCOMENDED as again device chargers are fast chargers meaning they throttle between slow and fast charge and you DONT want the top 25% of a battery to be charged quickly as that can really hurt the battery and leaving it plugged in will increase the chances the charger accidentally throttles to fast during a time it should not as time goes on] so you would wipe those and have it restart stats while it is now being used off charger instead of on and that does and will get extra life [not more than the battery is physically capable of just the MAX it is capable of.

The only proof you need is to see when the phone shutsdown saying no more battery and then if you can boot it up and it says 10% left and stays running for another 15 min then the statistics are off and you can reset them to gain that time BACK instead of having the device shutdown earlier than it should have.

Dude I did not say this will give you more battery life than the battery is capable of, it is like chkdsk for your phone as you use NTFS it journals [albeit poorly and half ass] and should not suffer from corruption, BUT users who shutdown the machine incorrectly for instance will find when they run chkdsk on occasion they gain free space back due to errors caused by incorrect usage. The philosophy is the same here.

or EXT3 which is fully journalized should NEVER need to be checked yet they have e2fsck to fix errors due to corruption [again due to incorrect usage [ie forced power outtages that the FS can't account for] because even though it shouldn't happen in the real world nothing goes to plan.

icenight89 said:

Before being so abrasive, it should also be said that you stated facts without providing correlating evidence. I'm here to learn just like everyone else, and if something was said in error it is only based on information i have read or learned elsewhere. If you look at my thanks meter you will see i am an EXTREMELY helpful user on this forum.

Although uncalled for in the way you stated it, I would be interested to see where you obtained this information. Perhaps some links?

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I am sorry if I hurt you're feelings, I can't account for local customs, I am here to pass along info. When I get time I will post links if needed you can google things like google cookies bypass browser settings, google street car suits, etc to double check me. Right now I have a dislocated ankle and getting dental work done so it may take a day or 2 before I can sit down and index the information for you.

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You are totally missing the point the below copied conversation may help:
The batt stats is a file under data, and it attempts to keep a good record of your usage to accurately predict your battery use. It's good to wipe this, if you're able, every two weeks or so. This file can also get messed up if you flash a rom on a non full battery, hence why battery can be worse after flashing a new rom.

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Tank, *where* under data do I look for the battery stats - what's it called?

-Mike
It is the batterystats.bin under /data/system.


Oh and yes file is replaced at install and that's what causes you to have to then remove it while battery at totally full so file starts correctly thus fixing the problem. The same goes with usage the file may get corrupted if phone shutdown incorrectly, or app did something, or storage has an issue causing data loss, etc. Or be totally wrong because you swapped out the battery (whether it dies or you have spares what matters is it is a physically different battery you should wipe) and why I posted how to do it best on this phone.


I am not saying you are doing anything to the battery itself. You are working with the Android system and what it is doing (not changing it just restarting it).

I have seen this personally help at least 20 unique Android based devices personally and to varying degrees of success (depends how far off the estimation has gotten) so I know it can help.

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Its not recreated on boot if it were there would be even more problems that file should only be created when battery at 100%.

ALSO CACHES ARE USELESS IF SHUTDOWN INCORRECTLY (power loss due to not enough power a user pulling a battery during a freeze, etc can happen anytime you are thinking of journal which should eliminate errors (in theory) but really only help, if that ass umption were correct (that ext file systems gave no errors) then why does a file system repair tool exist (e2fsck) if errors never needed fixing?

Look you obviously have your head in a book, try something out in practice and stop quoting theory and corporate lackeys I have read all the same things before too. I am not new to Linux or Android.

Also statistics are not hard set to one mah level or they would have to do stats for every new battery the system takes basic info such as full mah from battery and current level (so if charger plugged in it is not fried) and generates a new stats file on boot if none exsists, but if you day have stock battery in it does then you plug in extended battery you would see when it"supposedly"did you can turn phone back in. if estimation was never wrong then once it dies saying 0% you couldn't turn it back on because you were already tools battery did not have enough power to continue to run phone. If it does turn on for any length of time the OS got it wrong.

you don't want to calibrate your battery don't this is last time I reply to this tangent.

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icenight89 said:

Not you RealPariah, you posted an informative thread with information based on your testing and results, and nothing is wrong with that, health debate is good and you provided some good arguments. I was making reference to doug36, and his rather uncalled for comments.

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I am sorry I misread you, and sorry you got lost in the mix there., thank you, but you can only lead a horse to water I guess. I just love how he says research and then says that cache helps save you from bad shutdowns when in fact cache is set aside fast access memory [usually a chip on the device or could be provisioned RAM] and that is what causes the problems on bad shutdowns [since it is in a form of memory dependent on power an you lose power that data is lost and how to try to mitigate that on power loss or bad shutdowns is half the battle. I think he was talking about the journaling found in the EXT file systems I think which is supposed to help re-create corrupted data if it happens, but as with everything computer nothing is ever 100% in practice, and is why you have need for error checking with things like e2fsck.

Also, I hope he realizes Google ASSUMES THE FOLLOWING CASE WITH ALL SUBSCRIBERS When dealing with anything: You buy your Android Device, You turn it on, you use it (maybe with some accessories like headset and bluetooth), and you never change anything the OS, the Battery, anything inside the case. They enjoy modders and developers, BUT they always call anything modified [EVEN EXTENDED BATTERIES] outside the normal and therefore outside of warranty and outside of the scope of any support they offer.

I do my best volunteering my time giving information learned from countless hours of love poured in to a craft that I love, working on a MULTITUDE of devices [I have co-workers, neighbors, and even sometimes strangers approach me and have me help them do any number of things]

FOR INSTANCE THIS METHOD OF CALIBRATION was thought of, sorted out and gathered AFTER my boss had an issue with his phone lasting like 6 hours on a charge and he wondered why when using 3 different batteries the phone would behave differently even though they were all the same make and size. I then went out and researched why that could be and gathered information and learned what was happening, was able to re-create it and then I fixed it. That was back in Android 1.5 LoL. Now when I got the S2 and had the same things happening several years later I researched that it was still an issue and went about fine tuning a method for fixing it best on the T989. Since initially learning how to do this and when and why I have helped COUNTLESS users who always complain their batteries die too quickly and who have never rooted, modified their phones or otherwise knew they could and when I went about getting custom recoveries and running variations of this method they all came back the next day or several days later and profusely thank me that they magically gained anywhere from an extra hour to 6. So I have to laugh when folks who read the first couple paid for results and quote the theory written in text books that I have already found through further research and practical use while not intentionally wrong did not take in to account certain things [be that apps can freeze a phone to the point you pull the battery or that a phone never loses power in such a way to cause data loss is just speaking in absolutes which is always an absurd thing in the technological realm.

axne1 said:

Sounds like it's boiling over!

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I'm always on!

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I know right is why I am done I posted more than enough on that and more than enough folks vouch for it that's the last I pay attention and reply to that.

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