Sprint to activate LTE on 800mhz band... in 2014

abhaxus · Apr 14, 2012

Photon definitely does not do LTE. The rep may have said it will work with network vision in that a software update could allow it to change frequencies on the fly as NV will allow. That would be a nice feat on its own.

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squshy 7 · Apr 14, 2012

Wow...lol

It's honestly a smarter idea to roll out LTE on higher band first, because it is able to handle more traffic; the initial rush of LTE subscribers will be better accommodated. It would be a nightmare scenario if they deployed 800 first, only to find that metro areas are clogging up, and thereby negating the whole LTE advantage.

Not mention all the people on Nextel? They can't just kick them off immediately. Plus, people have signed 2year Nextel contracts in the last 6 months, so their end of contract will come shortly before this.

It's not a big deal...

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bondosho · Apr 14, 2012

Maybe I'm weird, but most places I go have some kind of wifi. Looking at my bill, I used 183mb last month of mobile data.

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IAmSixNine · Apr 14, 2012

and an FYI to those of us who are thinking of buying an LTE device, the EVO 3D only supports LTE in the 1900 band, not 800mhz. It will do voice and EVDO Data in 800 but not LTE..
The device better have a great screen and external audio or im passing on it and seeing what Samsung has to offer.

LordLugard · Apr 15, 2012

So basically Sprint is going to be mired in a myriad of devices as time goes by. Initial LTE phones like the Galaxy Nexus would do LTE on 1900mhz and i guess future devices would either be dual LTE 1900/800 for when the switch over to 800mhz happens in 2014.

So where does the Clear 2.5ghz LTE spectrum come into play at all? Is it even worth Sprint bothering with?

Is it that come 2014 when they've pushed the chirpers off Nextel's 800mhz band that their whole LTE network is going to be on 800mhz or a combination of 800 and 1900 depending on market?

I really fear for Sprint's LTE future seeing how far behind they really are, and how convoluted their future strategy seems.

sniper · Apr 15, 2012

IAmSixNine said:
and an FYI to those of us who are thinking of buying an LTE device, the EVO 3D only supports LTE in the 1900 band, not 800mhz. It will do voice and EVDO Data in 800 but not LTE..
The device better have a great screen and external audio or im passing on it and seeing what Samsung has to offer.

Ya, I'm going to be waiting too. I'm guessing the S3 will take advantage of both.

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DevalB · Apr 15, 2012

Sprint employee here...can I clarify please?

Sprint is running LTE on 1900mhz g-block, a 10mhz chunk totally clear of traffic today, with a nationwide license. This means that the LTE coverage will mirror 3G coverage eventually.

On top of that, Sprint has roughly 14-18mhz of ESMR (800mhz) spectrum allocated for iDEN users. As that network gets sunsetted, the spectrum will be repurposed for 1xAdvanced, which will allow 4x the capacity for voice calls and 1x data.

Each one of the Network Vision sites will be upgraded with significantly enhanced backhaul, which will provide great 3G and LTE speeds. Granted, Sprint will deploy LTE on a 5x5 configuration, v.s. Verizon which is doing 10x10, or AT&T, who is trying to do 10x10 wherever possible. Difference being, with Network Vision, Sprint is upgrading each cell site, requiring a single truck roll, not an "overlay" like Verizon.

If you look at Verizon's LTE deployment, they are basically adding LTE radios and equipment to their existing sites. Sprint is upgrading their existing site and installing equipment which can run on any frequency, with any spectrum, with any technology. In theory, you'll get LTE coverage exactly the same as 3G coverage, so it will be consistent across the board.

Along with that, there is also LTE rev10 or LTE Advanced, which does spectrum bonding, which will allow a device to use both the 5x5 1900mhz and 5x5 800mhz, for LTE. Much faster speeds with existing equipment.

If you think about it, a device term/contract is 2 years, so you won't be upgrading your phone for at least 20 months, which means any device you purchase today will take full advantage of Network Vision, including LTE. Hell, even our Epic Touchs will get a faster data speed and increased coverage.

RayTrue04 · Apr 15, 2012

IAmSixNine said:
and an FYI to those of us who are thinking of buying an LTE device, the EVO 3D only supports LTE in the 1900 band, not 800mhz. It will do voice and EVDO Data in 800 but not LTE..
The device better have a great screen and external audio or im passing on it and seeing what Samsung has to offer.

Wait the Evo 3D can do LTE? I've heard about the Photon maybe being able but never about the Evo3D.. Damn are phones came out after those two phones and we know for sure we don't have LTE. We couldve at least got the same treatment to keep us happy!

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sniper · Apr 15, 2012

RayTrue04 said:
Wait the Evo 3D can do LTE? I've heard about the Photon maybe being able but never about the Evo3D.. Damn are phones came out after those two phones and we know for sure we don't have LTE. We couldve at least got the same treatment to keep us happy!

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Even if we can't take advantage of the full lte capabilities, 3g speeds should be waaay better than they are now and better than our "4g" Wimax speeds once NV is rolled out in your area.

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autoprime · Apr 15, 2012

DevalB said:
If you think about it, a device term/contract is 2 years, so you won't be upgrading your phone for at least 20 months, which means any device you purchase today will take full advantage of Network Vision, including LTE. Hell, even our Epic Touchs will get a faster data speed and increased coverage.

hey deval.. i remember you from my sprintuser days

anyway.. as for your reference to the epic touch... does it support the ESMR band? looking thru fcc documents.. it didnt seem to support the higher 800mhz freq like the Evo 3D does.

orr are you just getting at the fact we'll benefit fro the improved backhaul and added cell locations?

jbuggydroid · Apr 15, 2012

This overhaul is going to be awesome in the end. I was listening to last Thursdays Android central podcast and Mickey (the cellphone junkie) was saying very good things about sprints lte and what they are doing with network vision. I've already seen better 3g speeds here in Des Moines.
Also sprint updating their equipment, not just adding, is going to benefit us and them. Be patient guys. LTE is still in it's infancy. Just look at how many times Verizon had blackouts.

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dw3bb10 · Apr 15, 2012

Sn1per 117 said:
Even if we can't take advantage of the full lte capabilities, 3g speeds should be waaay better than they are now and better than our "4g" Wimax speeds once NV is rolled out in your area.

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3G Rev A maxes out at around 3.1mbps or so, so no, it wont be faster than average 4G Wimax speeds.

RayTrue04 · Apr 15, 2012

Sn1per 117 said:
Even if we can't take advantage of the full lte capabilities, 3g speeds should be waaay better than they are now and better than our "4g" Wimax speeds once NV is rolled out in your area.

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Well i kind of know that. But what i meant is does it have a rumored built in lte chip like the supposed photon. And i doubt itll be better than my wimax speed. I live in hartford ct and clearwire is pretty big out here. I get three bars even inside my house and my speeds top out at 12mbps and the lowest being 6. But i always average in the high scores

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sniper · Apr 15, 2012

dw3bb10 said:
3G Rev A maxes out at around 3.1mbps or so, so no, it wont be faster than average 4G Wimax speeds.

Oh, my bad... So the 3g speeds even when fully upgraded will only get to about 3mbps?

at least that's better than my mostly nonexistent 4G...

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mattykinsx · Apr 15, 2012

Sn1per 117 said:
Oh, my bad... So the 3g speeds even when fully upgraded will only get to about 3mbps? at least that's better than my mostly nonexistent 4G...

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With all due respect, unless you're downloading large files, you're not going to see a difference between 3mbps and "4g" speeds.

There's absolutely nothing you cannot do with your phone at 3mbps.

That includes HD movie streaming and video conferencing etc etc

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sniper · Apr 15, 2012

mattykinsx said:
With all due respect, unless you're downloading large files, you're not going to see a difference between 3mbps and "4g" speeds.

There's absolutely nothing you cannot do with your phone at 3mbps.

That includes HD movie streaming and video conferencing etc etc

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I get it, it'll be fine for most things, but having faster speeds is never a bad thing either

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mattykinsx · Apr 15, 2012

Sn1per 117 said:
I get it, it'll be fine for most things, but having faster speeds is never a bad thing either

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Having your "support network" (I suppose that's how we can refer to what the 3g network will be) being capable of doing everything a user truly needs is very significant.

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RayTrue04 · Apr 15, 2012

mattykinsx said:
With all due respect, unless you're downloading large files, you're not going to see a difference between 3mbps and "4g" speeds.

There's absolutely nothing you cannot do with your phone at 3mbps.

That includes HD movie streaming and video conferencing etc etc

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I think HD might need a lil more than 3mbps. I was just watching a HD vid on youtube and it kept buffering like crazy. Did a speedtest and for some reason my speeds are low in the 2-3mbs range right now. Plus dont other hd services like vudu require a connection of about 10mbps for HD? At least i recall it that way. Not saying ur wrong I'm just saying

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mattykinsx · Apr 15, 2012

RayTrue04 said:
I think HD might need a lil more than 3mbps. I was just watching a HD vid on youtube and it kept buffering like crazy. Did a speedtest and for some reason my speeds are low in the 2-3mbs range right now. Plus dont other hd services like vudu require a connection of about 10mbps for HD? At least i recall it that way. Not saying ur wrong I'm just saying

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You're right, I stand corrected, HD streaming needs 10mbps.

Movie streaming asks for 2.5mbps

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Streaming_media#Streaming_bandwidth_and_storage

I guess the next question is, do we really need HD streaming to a 4.5" screen that likely isn't HD resolution?

stkiswr · Apr 15, 2012

This is exactly what I thought would happen. 2 years after the weak Wimax roll out I guessed they would ha e the same weak lte roll out. Too bad.

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